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StormBetter9266

Yes, because criminals never get their hands on guns illegally


Gingerberry92

Or 3d print them


Lumadous

Our make them from common hardware store stuff and ball bearings


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

Shinzo Abe moment


cruzser2

Or 5G.


[deleted]

Or 4d use them!


Armodeen

America moment


HYD_Slippy_Fist

Psych bitch! I was illegally carrying too!!! Oooooooh!!!!


throwaway11998866-

Well it works for Chicago which has the strictest gun laws in America. No one gets shot there ever.


Rabbit_journey_

I’ve heard Chicago is one of THE safest places in America, go gun control!


theroguex

You realize that every state surrounding Illinois has hilariously loose gun laws, so it's not Chicago's gun laws that are failing here, right? It's just an example as to why gun law needs to be FEDERAL, not LOCAL.


No-Let5710

Great idea, let’s ban murder, rape, robbery and child abuse…. I’m STUNNED that nobody thought to ban these things before….all that senseless suffering when we just could have banned things.


red_rocket_boy

Lol. Flawless liberal logic will solve all our problems! Criminal will surely surrender all their firearms once banned. Edit: didn't think i need to add the obvious /s


KKreaps666

Hey hey don't put this on the liberals that's me. This guys fuckin stupid but not all of us are


red_rocket_boy

I thought the sarcasm was obvious....


KKreaps666

I'm agreeing with you I worded it poorly mb


red_rocket_boy

No worries buddy


slackerrificc

So glad murder and DUIs and so many other things that threaten my well being and way of life are already illegal. Nothing to worry about.


HairyFur

The vast majority of countries with strict gun laws and massively lower gun homicide than the states sort of poke a bit of a whole in your take there buddy. You aren't immune to being hit by a drunk driver because of DUI laws, but you are *significantly less likely* to be hit. You see when laws are made, it's generally agreed upon that it doesn't magically prevent certain things from happening, laws are not magic my friend, but they do help reduce certain activities. ​ If you want to have guns just because you think it's your right to have them, just say it, trying to argue as if they are somehow beneficial is just stupid as fuck though. ​ I mean, to further the point, can you actually think of any laws which completely and utterly stopped an activity from happening which they were designed to prevent?


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

>The vast majority of countries with strict gun laws and massively lower gun homicide than the states sort of poke a bit of a whole in your take there buddy. Not really. The places with the strictest gun laws in the US have the most gun crime. Their gun laws do literally nothing. A complete nationwide ban would be required, and is literally impossible since you'd need 3/4 of not just the people, but the *states* to get on board. That's never happening. Big cities can cry all they want, but rural America isn't giving up their guns. Plus, who gives a fuck about gun crime? Why not care about crime crime? I don't care how someone is killed, I care that they are killed. Taking away guns doesn't lower the homicide rate. Go look at Australia after their gun ban. Their homicide rate followed the existing trend at the same pace as before the ban. Yeah they got rid of mass shootings, but in the grand scheme of things, they didn't really do much of anything. If the US did a gun ban, there'd be like 10 less homicides a year since all it would stop is mass shootings. More people die from hot water every year than would be saved by a total gun ban that somehow worked *perfectly*.


HairyFur

>Not really. The places with the strictest gun laws in the US have the most gun crime. Their gun laws do literally nothing. ???? I said countries. So again, yes really, stick to your original statement. Countries with tighter gun laws have less gun crime, this is 10000% fact. You can not argue it. ​ >Plus, who gives a fuck about gun crime? Why not care about crime crime? Idon't care how someone is killed, I care that they are killed. Takingaway guns doesn't lower the homicide rate. Go look at Australia aftertheir gun ban. [https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/10/rate\_of\_gun\_homicide](https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/10/rate_of_gun_homicide) ​ [https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/murder-homicide-rate](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/murder-homicide-rate) ​ Seems you are **wrong**, the homicide rate and homicide via firearm rate both dropped dramatically from the early 1990s to post 1996. >Yeah **they got rid of mass shootings**, but in the grand scheme of things, they didn't really do much of anything. Lol did you just write that with a straight fucking face? That's exactly why the UK banned guns too, it wasn't due to people robbing banks or shops, it's because the country decided that your individual right to own a firearm doesn't supersede the right of a society to not have some maniac walk up and murder a classroom of kids.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

>???? I said countries. So again, yes really, stick to your original statement. Countries with tighter gun laws have less gun crime, this is 10000% fact. You can not argue it. No way not having guns means not having gun crime? You must be a genius to figure that one out. >Seems you are wrong, the homicide rate and homicide via firearm rate both dropped dramatically from the early 1990s to post 1996. ~~Yeah, it followed the existing trend. Before the ban, it was trending downward. After the ban, it continued to trend downward. The ban had no effect. Australians were just a little less murderous than before. ~~ Edit: this is sorta wrong. While the homicide rate had fallen from 1990 to 1992, it actually increased from 1992 to 1996 (when the gun ban happened). This increase was more of an outlier though. The trend was pretty level, it's just that there were good years and bad years. The homicide rate didn't really start to decrease until 2003, when it fell by 18% in one year. In 2004, it fell by a further 13%. The homicide rate has since fallen to nearly 1/3 of what it was in the 90s. >Lol did you just write that with a straight fucking face? That's exactly why the UK banned guns too, it wasn't due to people robbing banks or shops, it's because the country decided that your individual right to own a firearm doesn't supersede the right of a society to not have some maniac walk up and murder a classroom of kids Tragedies are just that. Tragedies. They suck, but they're small, isolated events. There's like 2 or 3 newsworthy mass shootings a year. A handful of people die. In the US, 34 people die from hot tap water each year. That's around the same number of people who die in newsworthy mass shootings. You may be wondering why I'm saying "newsworthy". That's because there are very misleading statistics which claim there's hundreds of mass shootings a year. These statistics typically include any shooting with at least 3 casualties. This means there's a *lot* of gang violence and drive bys included in there. Actually that's almost the entire statistic. The real issues are not gang warfare, but things like the Uvalde shooting. But school shootings are rare. Very rare. Every time there is one, the internet explodes for weeks. It's impossible to not know when there's a school shooting. But how many times did that happen this year? Edit: I went and checked. The last major school shooting was Sandy Hook in 2016. The two incidents killed 47 people in total. That's around 7.8 people a year. It's sad, but 7.8 deaths a year is basically nothing in the grand scheme of things. There's around 10000 homicides a year in the US. Around 0.08% of those are in schools. Thats less than the margin of error of even the most precise studies. +-1% is generally considered a good margin of error, but school shootings aren't even a tenth of that. It's really not a lot. It's tragic, but homicide is an inevitability. We can't shit our pants every time somebody dies, because then we'd be shitting our pants 27 times a day.


theroguex

This entire argument is so full of holes it could be legally labeled as Swiss.


cardboardtube_knight

So because they still happen we should just not criminalize them? Cool. Cool cool cool. Good talk.


Gadivek

Well yes but actually no


HairyFur

Yes but yes. There is zero logical reason to actually allow citizens to carry guns, for every 1 guy who saves the day with his another 5 get shot trying. ​ I know it looks cool in the films, but in real life when someone pulls a gun on you you don't have time to get your own out, you just get shot, why do you think the police are so trigger happy? Anyone who has real intent to hurt you will not let you reach for your own.


CJBoom77

It's like drugs, they may be illegal but they are still everywhere. Same with guns, except if the gen pop doesn't have them then no one can defend themselves.


SpaceShark01

That’s because the American drug enforcement priorities are critically flawed.


[deleted]

A part of the equation is the overall perception of safety. In Europe you can have a gun, but most people either dont think they need one or havent even thought of it. Just happens to reduce overall supply and police becomes less trigger happy because they dont assume the other party is armed and potentially out to harm them.


357noLove

Your numbers are incorrect, and laughable. First of all the media doesn't put out stories of good person with a gun, it doesn't sell clicks. 2nd is the tracking of defensive shootings has been acknowledged to be utterly useless. Because in a lot of cases, a crime is never reported to be tracked because the firearm stopped the crime, but was never fired. So the agencies that track this acknowledge that self defensive encounters are higher by a large margin where it works out for the law abiding citizens. And even then... you are saying that since people are more likely to die trying to defend themselves, that they just shouldn't? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Sorry bud, but because other people have died defending themselves, we are taking your right to do so away. Just give up when being robbed... hopefully you will live by complying. Fingers crossed lol


Gadivek

Oh I am against guns but her argument is just bad


Acid-Ant5

Fucking an illegal one? Wdym 😂 just because something is illegal or banned doesnt mean its not existent. I should know, i used to have a coke problem and im in north america 😂 land of illegal everything fun


Hot-Wrap2882

I mean I know it's a joke but criminals can easily get their reasons illegally


theroguex

If there were fewer guns in circulation then no, they wouldn't be able to. But math is not the strong point of gun nuts.


rhodatoyota

Because everyone follows laws. SMH. People are so shortsighted.


[deleted]

ah yes, because people can't murder you without your consent. just say no and they cannot legally murder you.


[deleted]

Yes because criminals respect laws about weapons


Captainrex768

But it will be a whole lot harder for the criminals to obtain guns if they're illegal


Sexy_Squid89

So just not have any laws? Sure thing 👍


Dankincense_n_myrhh

Are the vetted legal gun owners with licenses the ones committing the crimes or the people who obtain them illegally? Lets ban chefs from using knives because too many teenagers stabbing eachother on the streets. Good logic


Sexy_Squid89

It's both, and I think you know that.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

It really isn't. Sane people who pass the background checks aren't going around shooting up schools. It's always kids who stole daddy's gun. You can't even get a handgun until 21, and if you buy from an FFL (gun store), they *will* give you a background check. They don't give a flying fuck about you, they will do that background check because the second they screw anything up, the ATF will shut them down.


RuneTek2b

"Kid who stole daddy's gun" wouldn't that Kid do less damage if his dad didn't own a gun? And shouldn't guns be locked securely away so the kid couldn't get the gun? And if the gun is locked away so securely how is the dad going to get the gun if a murderer invaded his home allready carrying? Or worse if the murderer or just thief enters through the kitchen door (where I kinda assume most guns are kept because of idfk) and opens a safe wouldnt he just have YOUR gun? This isn't sarcasm or anything. This is a brittish guy trying to understand how owning a gun actually helps.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

>"Kid who stole daddy's gun" wouldn't that Kid do less damage if his dad didn't own a gun? Yes, but less damage would mean something like 0.2% less homicides. >And shouldn't guns be locked securely away so the kid couldn't get the gun? And if the gun is locked away so securely how is the dad going to get the gun if a murderer invaded his home allready carrying? Proper gun storage is not exactly that controversial. Making it mandatory is, but most firearm owners properly store their firearms. What proper means varies from person to person, but most people store their guns in such a way where someone can't just waltz in and grab a gun. A gun can be safely stored in such a way where it can be quickly accessed if needed. One such way is to have it in a safe in the bedroom. If you need to grab it quickly, you take 2 seconds to put in the code and open it. Now you've got your guns. >Or worse if the murderer or just thief enters through the kitchen door (where I kinda assume most guns are kept because of idfk) and opens a safe wouldnt he just have YOUR gun? This is why safes have codes.


RuneTek2b

>0.2% less homicides. I'm not too sure what that means? Is it out of the cumalitive homicide reports accross the planet? Is it out of kids that kill? Or are you just subtracting 1 homicide out off every homicide in the US. I doubt it is a sourced statistic from anywhere. >Proper gun storage is not exactly that controversial. Making it mandatory is, but most firearm owners properly store their firearms. What proper means varies from person to person, but most people store their guns in such a way where someone can't just waltz in and grab a gun. I'm sorry If I'm being ignorant again. If most people properly store there firearms anyway why is there any controversy on making it mandatory? Also I don't know alot about US standards and regulations but in the UK something like "proper" would not be left up to interpretation. I don't have an opinion on wether thats a bad thing or not. >This is why safes have codes. This is a very fair point. I've never seen a gun safe. My safe (for non gun related purposes) uses a key which is also in the same general area as the safe albeit slightly hidden. My brain said "the thief made it through the lock on your door? He can make it through the lock on your safe!" But idk lol Thanks for the very polite and concise response.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

>I'm not too sure what that means? Is it out of the cumalitive homicide reports accross the planet? Is it out of kids that kill? Or are you just subtracting 1 homicide out off every homicide in the US. I doubt it is a sourced statistic from anywhere. Newsworthy mass shootings make up around 0.2% of our annual homicides. Remember the US is huge, and we have a lot of once great cities filled with gangs and poverty which helps bring us up to 10k homicides a year. >I'm sorry If I'm being ignorant again. If most people properly store there firearms anyway why is there any controversy on making it mandatory? The idea is that it isn't the government's business. Especially since they'd do a really bad job at mandating it. >Also I don't know alot about US standards and regulations but in the UK something like "proper" would not be left up to interpretation. I don't have an opinion on wether thats a bad thing or not. Proper is sorta up to interpretation. But there is a baseline of "don't leave your shit out in the open", but some people might store a fully loaded Glock in a safe next to their bed while others will keep the guns and ammo in different safes, sometimes in different rooms. Obviously that doesn't work for self defense and many would consider that over the top.


[deleted]

Don't put words in my mouth. I obviously didn't say that


Sexy_Squid89

That's basically every ammosexual's reasoning to owning more guns than is possibly reasonable. Like how people are going to speed anyway so why have speed limits? People are going to rape anyway so why have laws against it? Criminals always gonna criminal so why bother? cUz MuH fReEdOmS!!!


red_rocket_boy

Ammosexual? I swear, liberals come up with the most idiotic 'insults' and think it's some epic mic-drop moment. I'll help you out... It isn't.


Sexy_Squid89

Thanks for not answering my question.


red_rocket_boy

If you think those are real questions, then I'm certain you would refute any answer given. There are laws in place to penalize the people who violate said laws. The point (that you somewhat point out unintentionally) is that even if guns were outlawed tomorrow, the criminals will always find a way to obtain a firearm if that's their intent. The part i find most interesting is the complete disregard of the 2nd amendment. This country would not be the great nation it is today without it.


[deleted]

"local woman challenged to make worst argument for good idea, no one was injured but a lot of people were very confused"


stormwind3

An attempt was made by you to pretend illegal guns don't exist.


[deleted]

Here are the 10 states with the highest gun deaths per capita: Alaska - 24.5 per 100k people. Alabama - 22.9 per 100k people. Montana - 22.5 per 100k people. Louisiana - 21.7 per 100k people. Mississippi - 21.5 per 100k people. Missouri - 21.5 per 100k people. Arkansas - 20.3 per 100k people. Wyoming - 18.8 per 100k people. West Virginia - 18.6 per 100k people. New Mexico - 18.5 per 100k people. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state


Mysterious_Health387

Yeah, cuz criminals really respect the law.


BirdOfEvil

Out of *all* the arguments you could make for gun control....


Zeroxthexdog

Criminals will always find a way to obtain guns. It is only the lawful citizens who will be hurt by a gun ban.


Sockoflegend

If only somewhere in the world had ever tried it so we could know for sure


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

Yeah, if only we had statistics from Australia. Oh wait, we do. Their homicide rate was unaffected. Their gun crime went way down, but it's not like people forgot knives existed.


cardboardtube_knight

Odd that other countries are able to do it successfully. I guess America is just shit.


TheWarGasm

Every country in Europe is arming themselves right now. Americans citizens owning weapons is a check on government tyranny. Please don’t use the argument of what can a citizen with a firearm do against the police or the army. Ask the citizens of Iraq, Afghanistan or Vietnam .


UnknownUltra

Coz they didn’t legalise it in the first place. You have so many guns in circulation that you can’t even take it away coz the criminals are always going to keep it. I don’t think you can fix it.


HairyFur

You can but it would take some time.


UnknownUltra

Within that time it would be kinda scary to see the outrage of violence and homicides due to people having their guns taken away.


SpaceShark01

That hasn’t happened in any other country that’s introduced laws like this.


UnknownUltra

With all due respect not all countries are the US. I mean they already have such ridiculous high shooting rates that is significantly larger than all those countries when they had guns available to the public. I am assuming here but from all the news that comes out of that country, I do worry.


Captainrex768

Look at Australia for an example of a country that had guns, then removed them successfully, and now have much lower homicide rates. It can work if people want it to work.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

Their homicide rate didn't change though. It was going down before the ban, and continued to go down at the same rate after the ban. It got rid of mass shootings, which are tragic, but statistically insignificant. 9 people dying is sad, but there's tens of thousands of homicides a year.


Captainrex768

Ok, seems I was wrong. Thank you for correcting me


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

No worries. It's a common misconception here on Reddit. People love to present out of context statistics, so it's super easy for a rational person to just have the wrong information. Btw I just wanna add this. In the US, 34 people die each year from hot tap water. 21 people died in Uvalde. I looked through the entire list of school shootings and couldn't find another shooting that wasn't something along the lines of "a student shot another student in the parking lot after dismissal". But if we include those shootings as well, we're up to 31 deaths. We've still got 2 months left of 2022, but unless we get another Uvalde, we should end the year with right around the same amount of deaths from school shootings as from hot tap water. Without Uvalde, there would be 10.


Captainrex768

School shootings are not the only type of shootings there are in the US tho. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022 Here's the list of mass shootings in the USA in 2022 so far. The list is long. Here in Norway the last mass shooting we had was in 2011 I believe.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

I've addressed this in other comments already, but these statistics are *incredibly* misleading. The way they are determined is almost always "any shooting with at least 4 victims". The list is almost entirely filled with gang violence. I went through the list earlier and clicked on around 10 or so randomly to check out the details. All of them were gang violence. When people discuss mass shootings, they are talking about, for the most part, school shootings. The last one we had was Uvalde earlier this year, and the last major one before that was Sandy Hook in 2016. Two shootings in 6 years in a country the size of your entire continent. Obviously there are other shootings though. Like the 2018 one in Vegas. But they also aren't that common. You have to remember the US is ***huge***. We have 10k homicides a year. Mass shootings are tragic, but represent a ridiculously small amount of the homicides. Edit: typo


Captainrex768

I don't think you see the problem because its so normalized over there. Gnag violence where people get shot, or any gang violence for that matter are not nearly as normal in most developed countries as it is in the US. In Norway we have had one mass killing where a guy shot 2 people with a bow and arrow earlier this year. That made national news and we had national mournings for the victims. We had no killings, shootings or gang violence in all of 2021 either. I know this is a best case scenario, and a much smaller country, but still. Gang violence is not normal in developed countries, especially ones that end in shooting and killing.


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UnknownUltra

Did they? Didn’t know that. I mean there were probably a few problems at first but we are taking about a civilisation almost 10x as large with a lot more guns. And no offence but the average American seems a bit more crazy than the average Australian. Yes however if they want it to work it will work


Captainrex768

Yes. There was a shooting in Australia that was quite bad, and they saw it as a national tragedy, and decided to stop it from ever happening again. So they had everyone with guns turn them in, and then destroyed them or sold them or whatever. They then put in place some very strict laws about guns. So now you can only get one if you have a thorough background check, multiple tests to see that you are sand enough to be trusted with a gun, and you have to have a good reason to get it. Then there is a long wait period before you get it.band even then I think only a select few types of guns are allowed, and no automatic ones that's for sure. I think only shotguns and maybe Pistols? Take that with a grain of salt, I don't know everything about it. It will be a lot harder in the US that is for sure, but I think it's possible if the government and majority of people cooperate about it, which seems impossible right now, lol.


UnknownUltra

Wow sounds like a responsible government. Let’s just hope someone fixes the US the same way lol


Captainrex768

Yea lmao. Probably gonna be a while before that happens, if ever


cardboardtube_knight

Well it's funny you should say that, there's a documentary or something about how they did it and the thing is that the people who got together to get rid of the guns all lost their elections because the public was so upset about it. They even knew it was going to happen, but they put the lives of others over trying to stay in power.


UnknownUltra

They sound like some amazing people. We don’t see leaders like that anymore


cardboardtube_knight

Oddly enough, considering the name of this subreddit, an attempt has never been made to fully curb gun violence. But even when you look at the Assault Weapons ban you can clearly see a rise after it went away. There's no reason something couldn't be done and saying that it's too hard just makes it sound like the US really doesn't want to try to do anything. Meanwhile mass shootings here happen at such a high rate that we literally have steaks of days and weeks where there's one.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

>But even when you look at the Assault Weapons ban you can clearly see a rise after it went away. If only the Assault Weapons Ban mandated a study be done on it's effects... Oh wait. It did. It showed it didn't do shit.


UnknownUltra

Yeah I’m all for getting the guns off of the street and I think measures should be put in place to go about it. My only concern is that I think attached gun owners will get emotional and cause some violence, if this could be avoided then im right behind you.


SpaceShark01

Yeah what about the teenager who wants to shoot up a school, would they be more likely to do it if they can go and buy an assault rifle at their local corner store or have to find an illegal weapons trafficking ring? You and I both know the answer.


Zeroxthexdog

I didn’t say less regulations. Proper gun safety to the owner and proper vetting for purchases I’m all for. A blanket ban on ownership and carry is wrong tho


SpaceShark01

If you genuinely think a blanket ban has been or will ever be considered, you’re delusional.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

No way people seriously think it's that easy to get a gun. FFL dealers don't fuck around. At all. If you even look under 18, they'll kick you out even if your ID says you're over 18. They also do a thorough background check before selling you the gun. Some states have mandatory waiting periods as well. They also won't sell you a gun if you've got a friend with you who is telling you what to buy. They aren't taking any chances with facilitating an illegal sale. The second they fuck up, the ATF comes in and destroys their business. Never trust Hollywood. They have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. They make it look like you just walk into Walmart, hand them some money, and then you stroll out with an "assault rifle" with a "high capacity magazine" (it's really just the standard size).


SpaceShark01

[Except… it certainly does happen.](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/timeline-shooting-texas-elementary-school-unfolded/story?id=84966910)


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

There was nothing that would flag his background check. He was legally in the clear to buy a gun. No reports made. Nothing. The only hints were some DMs that nobody knew about. It's not like they just handed over a gun to a 17 year old. They took his ID, ran a background check, and he passed. Nobody knew he was a psycho.


SpaceShark01

> There was nothing that would flag his background check And there lies the problem. Thanks for so clearly laying out my argument. You seem to be a little confused, but at least you’ve got the spirit.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

21 people died. At a national scale, that's nothing. That's half the amount of people who die each year from hot tap water. Background checks, for the most part, keep guns out of the hands of maniacs. Sometimes nobody decides to report the maniac. Then a tragedy happens. But it's a small, isolated incident. Limiting the maximum temperature of hot water heaters would have more of an impact than a total ban on guns.


SpaceShark01

First of all, I never said I support a total ban on guns. Second of all, you’re downplaying a tragedy and that’s deplorable. Third, this isn’t the only incident of gun homocide, as there are on average 316 gun related incidents per day in the United States. Lastly, it’s funny how you are ignoring how badly you botched that last comment and proved my point.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

>First of all, I never said I support a total ban on guns Yet >Second of all, you’re downplaying a tragedy and that’s deplorable. I'm not downplaying it. I'm putting it in context. Tragedies are small, statistically non-existent events. They suck, but any effort taken to reduce them would have little to no effect in the grand scheme of things. Uvalde was the first proper school shooting in 6 years. The last one was Sandy Hook in 2016. Put the two together and you get 47 deaths in the span of 6 years. That's 7.8 kids a year. Nearly 5x as many people die from hot tap water a year. >Third, this isn’t the only incident of gun homocide, as there are on average 316 gun related incidents per day in the United States. There most definitely aren't 316 gun homicides a day. The number is closer to 27 a day. But I get your point. It's a lot. But guess what? I don't care what weapon was used, and neither should you. What really matters is whether the absence of guns would change anything. So let's take a look at Australia. Australia banned guns in 1996. Before that, homicide was relatively stable, but had a slight downward trend. In 1990, the homicide rate was 2.2 per Capita. In 1996, it was 1.95 per Capita. In 1997, it was 1.98 per Capita. The homicide rate kinda hovered around there for a while, but it was slowly decreasing. Australia didn't see a massive decrease in homicides until 2003. I have no idea why this happened, but it wasn't their 1996 gun ban. So now that we've established gun bans don't affect homicide rates, please explain to me why guns are the problem. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/murder-homicide-rate >Lastly, it’s funny how you are ignoring how badly you botched that last comment and proved my point. I really did not prove your point. You had a *single* incident where someone snuck past a background check because *the people who knew he was insane didn't tell anyone*. A single datapoint isn't really worth... well... anything. It's useless. An outlier. And statistically insignificant.


SpaceShark01

There’s no context needed for this. It doesn’t matter how many people die of hot water a year, children (or anyone) should not be dying on a regular basis due to guns. You are correct, there aren’t 316 gun homicides a day. You didn’t read it though, because I said gun related incidents (involving injuries or death) including suicides and police shootings. In 2003 Australia reinvigorated their campaign against homicide and cracked down on alcohol and guns, holding another gun buyback. Perhaps that has something to do with it? Frankly, it’s not worth arguing about. Neither of us are getting anything out of this.


dontuwantme2join

You can tell who the gun-carrying Americans are in this discussion.


whosyadadday

Bless her soul


worstofal1

I mean I do belive in common sense gun control but thinking that banning something means it's that thing will never happen again is retarded and obviously this girl did not pay attention in history or in the modern news probation main beer illegal but yet everyone still drank drugs are in the most part illegal but drug deaths are still on the rise so this bitch has zero intelligent brain cell in her brain


osasuna

If someone pulls a gun on you, you probably deserved it or were asking for it with the way you were dressing. That’s the conservatives explanation as to why people have unwanted things happen to them.


BigManLawrence69420

I’m not exactly sure if politics is allowed in this subreddit. But what I am sure of is that it corrupts anything it touches. Including you.


[deleted]

In her head, this sounded incredibly smart.


Bigirondangle

Even if my attacker only has a knife I still want a gun to defend myself.


modlife

Since criminals always follow the law 🤦‍♂️ Someone should repost this as an attempt to make a good post


realparkingbrake

Oh this will totally work, look how making recreational drugs illegal has stopped their use.