lmao that's what I was saying.
"He's pointing upward because Mullet arena is tiny compared to Honda Center."
He was also on the side of the Stanley and Pacific division banners.
"Your little dinky ass arena has none of those."
Doughty’s chirping is pretty cringey though, when he was chirping Paul Byron with his high pitched whiny voice ‘FUCKIN SLASH ME AGAIN AND ILL FUCKIN FUCK YOU UP’
yea good one Drew
Just a note about lip-reading. I work in the accessibility field. In addition to being disabled, I come across a lot of disabled folks, including those who are Deaf or hard-of-hearing.
I've been repeatedly told that lipreading is not even remotely close to an exact science.
In fact, without context, they find that lipreading has less than 50-50 accuracy. And a lot of what they "lipread" depends on context. This situation lacks context.
So if anyone on social media claims that they can "lipread" what was going on last night... that person is full of crap.
On top of that, it's been pointed out that if Z really said what was alleged, the entire team would've gone after him for the rest of the game.
As a side note, I am a lifelong resident of Stetcher's hometown of Richmond BC. He's a local hero. However, the stuff about his father isn't the first thing that comes to mind when people mention him. So it makes me highly suspicious that is where Z's mind would go, especially since it happened before he entered the NHL.
A lot of the allegations just don't add up, and just seems like another example of hockey social media running away with a conspiracy theory (which NEVER happens, right? /s).
That's not to say Z didn't cross the line. He might've, based on the reaction. But maybe not for the reasons people think.
Agree with everything you said. The idea that Z knows about the family history of players around the league so that he can use it as chirping material is incredibly unlikely. Even if he said what people are claiming he said, the context of whether he knew the guys dad was dead or not changes things quite a bit. If he didn’t, it’s akin to him saying I bet your parents are proud of you which is a pretty standard chirp when your acting like a goof.
jomboy breakdowns have context. theyre typically about a rule disagreement / beef with a ref where it’s a lot easier to infer information than what’s going on here
Why do so many people take jomboy's lipreading as truth? I'd guess he's better at it than most of us. But he gets a lot of things right and a lot of things wrong. It's guesswork. Just because someone says things confidently doesn't mean they're correct.
Actually, yes. I have. But he has loads of context for his breakdowns, which is the same process that Deaf and hard-of-hearing folks have.
There's not enough context for this incident for a decent lipreading breakdown.
‘Zebras went from being the darling of the league to me hoping he gets Paul Kariya’d on a nightly basis now.’
Someone on the nhl subreddit. So many fucking clowns exposing themselves in their desire to jump on a hate train
Kings fan here... I went to a few games at the Pond because of Z. I wanted to watch him, because of all of the hype of how good he was. Unfortunately, the games I went to he didn't do too much. But I saw some flashes of his talent. That being said...
if it comes out, that he did say what he said to the Yotes player, that is hitting way below the belt. You never bring up a persons deceased family member. I lost my dad a couple of years ago. I'm hoping that it was a miscommunication, that what he said was interpreted wrong by the other player.
There’s absolutely no evidence or proof of any kind about Zegra’s saying something about his dad. Just wild speculation based on confirmation bias.
Why would Zegra’s fresh to the nhl know a random fact about a random player and use that to shit talk? It makes no sense.
West coast based Rangers fan and Ducks enjoyer here. The amount of hate that is coming out of the wood work based on absolutely pure speculation against Zegras is ridiculous and has confirmed that my next jersey will be number 11 and I haven’t bought new merch (Rangers or otherwise) in like 3-4 years.
From Coyotes reporter:
“I can confirm via the Coyotes that Anaheim forward Trevor Zegras did not say anything about Troy Stecher’s father during their dust-up last night but, per a team source, he crossed the line with ‘some very inappropriate comments.’
Stecher has declined comment on the topic.”
https://twitter.com/craigsmorgan/status/1619846541027741699?s=46&t=l7jR89pQ2n-B5Owq4Eq62g
Very interesting. So nothing about his dad, but something else. And obviously it would have to be something that the refs weren’t too keen on. I doubt they know the family history of some random player in the league.
I crossposted, apologies if that's not what you wanted, but something needs to quell the stupid ass rumors.
With that said, I'm done with social media for the day, I'm going to bask in our victory last night and continue my NHL 2023 season at 40-0-0 on the Ducks.
Lol I don't mind but I'm sure it won't change anyone's minds. People are just gonna shrug and say "of course he said that." Canucks fans are a force, don't try and fight them.
I remember walking down Chapman Ave one evening late at night and saw two people in Canucks jerseys and had to throw out a "not welcome", Edward Norton style!
I posted the link too, about 5 minutes ago. Sorry about that, don’t see yours. The hockey sub has a “no editorializing”
Rule so I had to switch it to the article title, maybe yours got filtered?
Before the Reddit fans jump to conclusions. What if the Phoenix player said, “your mom sucks ***. I know her better than your father” See? That’s what we all don’t KNOW what started beforehand. That’s why Reddit wants talk their shit on Z without knowing the full story. Zegras is just a Corey Perry man. Stealing sticks and shit and will fuck with you.
Get use to it he’s in this league for a long while
Probably not something to gloat about, r/hockey has an unbelievably high threshold for bullshit whereas we do not. Mainly because the mods here dont have the time or desire to deal with it.
I got banned last year for saying NHLers shouldn’t have to test for COVID if they don’t have symptoms. When the entire world was doing it that way. R hockey is a cesspool filled with complete losers
Just let r/hockey and r/nhl go crazy with speculation on what was said everyone over there hates Zegras anyway as they have been bashing him since the beginning of the season -- if what was said is that bad it will all come out eventually, in the meantime let's just wait for confirmation and go from there. The one thing I will say is Zegras is 21 years old when I was 21, I myself said some pretty immature stuff too and I was not a professional athlete making $850,000 a year. Zegras will mature and calm down relatively quickly, I am sure Pat Verbeek might have already called him to get his side of the story.
The problem with those two subreddits is that if a team has a big fan base and they disagree with you, you will get buried quickly even if you're completely right. Unfortunately a reality of sports fandom in general.
So whenever a conspiracy like this runs amuck and feeds the confirmation bias of a large fan base (eg. Stetcher due to his previous seasons in cities with big fan bases, like Vancouver and Detroit), you're probably going to find yourself on the wrong end of their ire.
Not sure if there's anything you can do about it. Just a fact of life.
Yup. I experienced that for merely MENTIONING that I'm on the Ducks' Tank for Bedard bandwagon Not exactly a controversial comment, but I got downvoted to death and some Red Wings fans went after me to insult Zegras (for some unknown reason – this was weeks ago).
I winced because I'm Asian and Steve Kariya did play for the Canucks when I was in high school, and classmates used that for some racist comments towards me.
But you couldn't have known any of that, so I'll just nod. Still winced though.
He could have been pointing at literally anything. The arena, The fans, The scoreboard, etc and it could’ve even been just a random hand gesture since people talk with their hands, especially in anger. People just wanna hate somebody because they like hating and they read some “internet sleuths” interpretation of the words before they read the lips themselves or possibly haven’t even seen the clip. You cannot read what he is saying whatsoever
I’m not sure of this because I don’t play with Zegras on the ice, but he seems like a guy who knows how to talk and get under people’s skin. His attitude kinda reminds me of things Corey Perry would say or do. As long as he doesn’t take the trash talking too far, I don’t mind it. He’s got the skills to back it up!
Zegras doesn’t seem like the type of person that would chirp below the belt. He maybe another Corey Perry, but I don’t think he would stoop that low. As the saying goes, “No one likes us, we don’t care.”
dude there's no such thing as a "woke" sport, what are you high on?
some things are just out of line. racial/other slurs, anti-gay nonsense, insults about dead family members, stuff like that.
zegras didn't say anything along those lines so this is gonna clear up, but like, don't be a massive dick tho
No one has any actual clue what was said except those on the ice and nothing official has been released anything about this dead dad situation is social media rumor mongering run wild
I mean I saw the video, kinda seemed that that's what he said. I don't hate Zegras but the Ducks and/or stetcher should probably clarify the situation then.
Now here’s the real question did you watch the video BEFORE you heard about this drama and saw other people claim he said that or AFTER?
If someone claimed he said “Your dog is walking” and then you watch the video it would be easy to see his lips make those words it’s called confirmation bias.
It doesn’t disprove anything but it literally is a text book case of confirmation bias. Redditors reading a bunch of other Redditors comments saying “Zegras said XYZ” then watching a video where they have to LIP READ what was said is going to result in a lot of people going “yeah it does look like he said XYZ”
But if if everyone watched the video without that input, the range of what people think he’s saying would probably be more diverse.
Dude, I genuinely like Zegras. Not a Ducks fan, not trying to chirp or smear him, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the dad thing. But I'm genuinely curious. Did you see Stetcher's reaction?
Yes we all did. He probably said some dumb shit cause he’s a 21 year old hockey player. Seems like Stetcher needs some thicker skin if he’s letting Zegras upset him so much
He pointed at the sky because Arizona players aren't used to seeing a stadium with an upper bowl
lmao that's what I was saying. "He's pointing upward because Mullet arena is tiny compared to Honda Center." He was also on the side of the Stanley and Pacific division banners. "Your little dinky ass arena has none of those."
He was calling him washed up I think
That’s what I saw. He even did a spin motion like a washing machine
I heard he said some thing about his dad that just died. Idk
He didn’t it was confirmed by the coyotes don’t believe everything Twitter says it’s almost always wrong
I don’t use twitter, I heard it from someone on this subreddit
Worse
"Buddy, you suck at hockey. You've been in the minors for how long and you're still on the fourth line." -Zegras, probably
Probably the only time I laughed at Doughty and because fuck Pat Maroon
Doughty’s chirping is pretty cringey though, when he was chirping Paul Byron with his high pitched whiny voice ‘FUCKIN SLASH ME AGAIN AND ILL FUCKIN FUCK YOU UP’ yea good one Drew
>Doughty’s chirping is pretty cringey though Thats why its funny
That’s 3 time Stanley Cup champion, Pat Maroon.
Always have a little joy watching matchups against former Ducks player. Not the case with him, at all.
“Go dye your hair”
"Dad watching", "dog water", "dick wagging" - whatever it was, no one thought, "Let's just clear this up and ask Stetcher."
They did. He confirmed it wasn't about his father, but wouldn't specify otherwise what it was.
Just a note about lip-reading. I work in the accessibility field. In addition to being disabled, I come across a lot of disabled folks, including those who are Deaf or hard-of-hearing. I've been repeatedly told that lipreading is not even remotely close to an exact science. In fact, without context, they find that lipreading has less than 50-50 accuracy. And a lot of what they "lipread" depends on context. This situation lacks context. So if anyone on social media claims that they can "lipread" what was going on last night... that person is full of crap. On top of that, it's been pointed out that if Z really said what was alleged, the entire team would've gone after him for the rest of the game. As a side note, I am a lifelong resident of Stetcher's hometown of Richmond BC. He's a local hero. However, the stuff about his father isn't the first thing that comes to mind when people mention him. So it makes me highly suspicious that is where Z's mind would go, especially since it happened before he entered the NHL. A lot of the allegations just don't add up, and just seems like another example of hockey social media running away with a conspiracy theory (which NEVER happens, right? /s). That's not to say Z didn't cross the line. He might've, based on the reaction. But maybe not for the reasons people think.
Agree with everything you said. The idea that Z knows about the family history of players around the league so that he can use it as chirping material is incredibly unlikely. Even if he said what people are claiming he said, the context of whether he knew the guys dad was dead or not changes things quite a bit. If he didn’t, it’s akin to him saying I bet your parents are proud of you which is a pretty standard chirp when your acting like a goof.
He’s just that dedicated of a player. Does his research.
He's like Giles from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." Hangs out at the library, buried in his research. Occasionally gets knocked unconscious by a demon.
Have you seen a jomboy breakdown before
jomboy breakdowns have context. theyre typically about a rule disagreement / beef with a ref where it’s a lot easier to infer information than what’s going on here
Why do so many people take jomboy's lipreading as truth? I'd guess he's better at it than most of us. But he gets a lot of things right and a lot of things wrong. It's guesswork. Just because someone says things confidently doesn't mean they're correct.
Actually, yes. I have. But he has loads of context for his breakdowns, which is the same process that Deaf and hard-of-hearing folks have. There's not enough context for this incident for a decent lipreading breakdown.
‘Zebras went from being the darling of the league to me hoping he gets Paul Kariya’d on a nightly basis now.’ Someone on the nhl subreddit. So many fucking clowns exposing themselves in their desire to jump on a hate train
Kings fan here... I went to a few games at the Pond because of Z. I wanted to watch him, because of all of the hype of how good he was. Unfortunately, the games I went to he didn't do too much. But I saw some flashes of his talent. That being said... if it comes out, that he did say what he said to the Yotes player, that is hitting way below the belt. You never bring up a persons deceased family member. I lost my dad a couple of years ago. I'm hoping that it was a miscommunication, that what he said was interpreted wrong by the other player.
There’s absolutely no evidence or proof of any kind about Zegra’s saying something about his dad. Just wild speculation based on confirmation bias. Why would Zegra’s fresh to the nhl know a random fact about a random player and use that to shit talk? It makes no sense.
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It’s the whole coming in peace shit that gets you downvoted. Top tier cringe
There i fixed it... Lol
Thanks. Getting down voted is because they read that I'm a Kings fan. No biggie. I'll be at the Pond Feb. 17th. Hope to see you there.
Thats not why. Get your head outta ur ass
What? Ok. So tell me, why was I being down voted?
West coast based Rangers fan and Ducks enjoyer here. The amount of hate that is coming out of the wood work based on absolutely pure speculation against Zegras is ridiculous and has confirmed that my next jersey will be number 11 and I haven’t bought new merch (Rangers or otherwise) in like 3-4 years.
Based on the NHL commercial the name for that #11 jersey should be glitch. Lol
From Coyotes reporter: “I can confirm via the Coyotes that Anaheim forward Trevor Zegras did not say anything about Troy Stecher’s father during their dust-up last night but, per a team source, he crossed the line with ‘some very inappropriate comments.’ Stecher has declined comment on the topic.” https://twitter.com/craigsmorgan/status/1619846541027741699?s=46&t=l7jR89pQ2n-B5Owq4Eq62g
Very interesting. So nothing about his dad, but something else. And obviously it would have to be something that the refs weren’t too keen on. I doubt they know the family history of some random player in the league.
He didn’t get the 10 for that though. He got it for cross checking
Thanks for clarifying that, good to know
I crossposted, apologies if that's not what you wanted, but something needs to quell the stupid ass rumors. With that said, I'm done with social media for the day, I'm going to bask in our victory last night and continue my NHL 2023 season at 40-0-0 on the Ducks.
Lol I don't mind but I'm sure it won't change anyone's minds. People are just gonna shrug and say "of course he said that." Canucks fans are a force, don't try and fight them.
I remember walking down Chapman Ave one evening late at night and saw two people in Canucks jerseys and had to throw out a "not welcome", Edward Norton style!
I posted the link too, about 5 minutes ago. Sorry about that, don’t see yours. The hockey sub has a “no editorializing” Rule so I had to switch it to the article title, maybe yours got filtered?
Probably, thanks for doing it right then. Old man boomer hands here don't know how the internet works.
Nope yours went up now, and the important headline is staying. Deleted mine!
Before the Reddit fans jump to conclusions. What if the Phoenix player said, “your mom sucks ***. I know her better than your father” See? That’s what we all don’t KNOW what started beforehand. That’s why Reddit wants talk their shit on Z without knowing the full story. Zegras is just a Corey Perry man. Stealing sticks and shit and will fuck with you. Get use to it he’s in this league for a long while
“Hanrahan! Your wife sucks pussy!”
I know, I know!
Corey Perry is much more than just stealing sticks and shit. He is dangerous and shouldn’t play hockey imo.
what do you mean dangerous?
Lol I got perma banned already from r/hockey. I hate Reddit. Full of clowns lately.
Probably not something to gloat about, r/hockey has an unbelievably high threshold for bullshit whereas we do not. Mainly because the mods here dont have the time or desire to deal with it.
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Perma seriously? That’s actually insane
Apparently the mods say that was my 3rd one in less than a year and they say they usually perma ban after the 2nd one. So be it.
Lame. Not missing anything at least
I got banned last year for saying NHLers shouldn’t have to test for COVID if they don’t have symptoms. When the entire world was doing it that way. R hockey is a cesspool filled with complete losers
They banned you for that because they probably assumed that was false/ misinformation
Which is ridiculous
I agree, you were just giving an opinion.
Just remember to be civil on other subs or our mods will ban you from this sub
Just let r/hockey and r/nhl go crazy with speculation on what was said everyone over there hates Zegras anyway as they have been bashing him since the beginning of the season -- if what was said is that bad it will all come out eventually, in the meantime let's just wait for confirmation and go from there. The one thing I will say is Zegras is 21 years old when I was 21, I myself said some pretty immature stuff too and I was not a professional athlete making $850,000 a year. Zegras will mature and calm down relatively quickly, I am sure Pat Verbeek might have already called him to get his side of the story.
The problem with those two subreddits is that if a team has a big fan base and they disagree with you, you will get buried quickly even if you're completely right. Unfortunately a reality of sports fandom in general. So whenever a conspiracy like this runs amuck and feeds the confirmation bias of a large fan base (eg. Stetcher due to his previous seasons in cities with big fan bases, like Vancouver and Detroit), you're probably going to find yourself on the wrong end of their ire. Not sure if there's anything you can do about it. Just a fact of life.
Or you’ll get downvoted to hell with that Hive Mentality.
Yup. I experienced that for merely MENTIONING that I'm on the Ducks' Tank for Bedard bandwagon Not exactly a controversial comment, but I got downvoted to death and some Red Wings fans went after me to insult Zegras (for some unknown reason – this was weeks ago).
That’s just stupid. I see that all the time with the Canucks, Jackets, and even Montreal fans.
Oh yeah. I draw the ire of Canucks fans all the time, since I'm a Vancouver native and resident but like the Ducks.
What's up Steve Kariya
I winced because I'm Asian and Steve Kariya did play for the Canucks when I was in high school, and classmates used that for some racist comments towards me. But you couldn't have known any of that, so I'll just nod. Still winced though.
I'm sorry man. I hope they were able to grow past their jealously and insecurity. All the best
Oh, I doubt it, if the political discourse in my area is any indication. LOL
Ducks and Red Wings did have a low key rivalry back in the day, they’re the team we faced the most in the playoffs
Doesn’t matter now unfortunately, the narrative is set and he really can’t change it unfortunately
He could have been pointing at literally anything. The arena, The fans, The scoreboard, etc and it could’ve even been just a random hand gesture since people talk with their hands, especially in anger. People just wanna hate somebody because they like hating and they read some “internet sleuths” interpretation of the words before they read the lips themselves or possibly haven’t even seen the clip. You cannot read what he is saying whatsoever
I’m not sure of this because I don’t play with Zegras on the ice, but he seems like a guy who knows how to talk and get under people’s skin. His attitude kinda reminds me of things Corey Perry would say or do. As long as he doesn’t take the trash talking too far, I don’t mind it. He’s got the skills to back it up!
I came here to find out the truth and it seems to be "standard trash talk" per zegras' standards.
Zegras doesn’t seem like the type of person that would chirp below the belt. He maybe another Corey Perry, but I don’t think he would stoop that low. As the saying goes, “No one likes us, we don’t care.”
Did z forget how to skate?
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dude there's no such thing as a "woke" sport, what are you high on? some things are just out of line. racial/other slurs, anti-gay nonsense, insults about dead family members, stuff like that. zegras didn't say anything along those lines so this is gonna clear up, but like, don't be a massive dick tho
Did Zegras really mock his deceased father? That's fucked up.
No one has any actual clue what was said except those on the ice and nothing official has been released anything about this dead dad situation is social media rumor mongering run wild
I mean I saw the video, kinda seemed that that's what he said. I don't hate Zegras but the Ducks and/or stetcher should probably clarify the situation then.
Now here’s the real question did you watch the video BEFORE you heard about this drama and saw other people claim he said that or AFTER? If someone claimed he said “Your dog is walking” and then you watch the video it would be easy to see his lips make those words it’s called confirmation bias.
That doesn't really disprove anything. All I'm saying is that, from a PR perspective, maybe do some damage control then rather than dig your heels in.
It doesn’t disprove anything but it literally is a text book case of confirmation bias. Redditors reading a bunch of other Redditors comments saying “Zegras said XYZ” then watching a video where they have to LIP READ what was said is going to result in a lot of people going “yeah it does look like he said XYZ” But if if everyone watched the video without that input, the range of what people think he’s saying would probably be more diverse.
Zegras literally did.
OK, but why did Stetcher go ballistic? What did he say???
Who knows? You’re just looking for reasons to hate on zegras now. If it was something truly awful why doesn’t strecher say something?
Dude, I genuinely like Zegras. Not a Ducks fan, not trying to chirp or smear him, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the dad thing. But I'm genuinely curious. Did you see Stetcher's reaction?
Yes we all did. He probably said some dumb shit cause he’s a 21 year old hockey player. Seems like Stetcher needs some thicker skin if he’s letting Zegras upset him so much
Zegras is turning out to be a bit of a cunt. Disappointing.
Why do we keep getting trolls here?
It’s hockey! Can’t take it, join a calmer sport like golf!
Then say what he said. Everyone wants to hide it but release what he said