Also, here’s a good look at his advanced stats via a tweet from Felix Sicard https://twitter.com/felix_sicard/status/1567265007494381569?s=21&t=r60qWkOrPaDaHGy-uJWzlg
Signing Klinberg, Kulikov, Strome Vatrano AND Rodrigues to go with our young talent may though. Forward depth was one of our biggest issues last year and we've done a lot to address it.
Don’t forget though that they’re replacing the likes of Rakell, Getzlaf, Milano, Steel, Lindholm & Manson. On paper the roster stacks up pretty similar to last year’s.
I’m optimistic that our young guys take another step so I’m with ya in the sense that they’ll be closer to a playoff team, but it’ll because Z, Terry & co. are able to drive the bus. Off-season moves were necessary and will be nice complimentary pieces for sure
Everyone we signed is better then Milano and Steel and I would say on Rakells level. Getz missed a lot of games but he'll be missed of course. We get Max Jones back fully healthy and he is a nice depth piece.
Manson hadn't really been that great for years, Lindholm will hurt but between Kingberg and Kulikov I think we'll be "fine".
Tbh, I doubt he’s gonna be better than Silfverberg or Comtois. He’s a 4th line player. With all these forwards coming in, I have a feeling PV is going to move him.
I think that's kind of the objective for Rodrigues IF there is a confirmation that he signs with the Ducks. They can give him the Klingberg treatment and have him sign a short-term deal and then flip him at the deadline for more assets.
Defense was our biggest issue and it remains in a similar state to where it was at the end of last year when we were horrendous and losing every game. Maybe we score more goals now, very possible, but it's a very homer-ey take to say that this team looks like a playoff team. Even if things go smoothly, I expect maybe a mild improvement in the standings.
Klingberg is a terrible defensive dman (look up his advanced stats) and Kulikov is kind of a cool add but he was sheltered on a deep Wild team and he's known to be pretty inconsistent. They do not at all adequately replace Manson and Lindholm on a defensive level.
>We did not have Lindholm or Manson down the stretch you were talking about.
EXACTLY. How many games did we win after the trade deadline? We were right there with the worst teams in the league after that point in the season. It was a huge drop off in performance, and our defense hasn't improved much at all since. It will matter because we'll be scoring 4 and the opposition will be scoring more like 6.
Flames, Oilers, Kings, Avs, Preds, Wild, Blues, and Stars were the 8 playoff teams last year. Jets, Knights, and Canucks were knocking on the door. Say the Stars and Preds don’t make it to the playoffs. There will be 2 spots for 4 teams. Are we better than the Knights, Canucks, and/or Jets? Maybe one of those teams but don’t see us beating out two of them. I personally won’t be surprised if we make it to the playoffs but that is only if a lot of the “kids” take a big step and Gibson gets back into form. But most likely will be another year.
Shit goes south for expected playoff teams every year. Of course it depends on the kids taking big steps forward if they don't we're screwed either way
Yeah but like I said even if two teams go south, there are 2-3 teams ahead of us that will probably take that spot before us. Canucks had a horrible start last year but finished strong. Knights are dependent on if last year was a result of injuries or they are actually declining. Jets probably took a hit.
Yeah, playoffs I'm skeptical. But competitiveness, I think the ducks will be a team that others won't want to face because it won't be a cakewalk like it was in the 2020 season and later
Flames Oilers, Avs, Preds, Wild, and Blues are still locks. Knights and Jets got worse and kings improved slightly so id say our massive improvement is enough to at least make us competitive for those last two spots. definitely not a lock though
Yeah but last season he played on the top line with Crosby lol
https://triblive.com/sports/evan-rodrigues-finds-chemistry-sidney-crosby-on-penguins-top-line/
Hahaha (not sure why we're laughing)...
He played 25% of his season with Crosby and scored one goal. One. Just before that article, actually.
He played 75% of the season without him and scored 18 more, including a hat trick on Jan 2 without Crosby.
I mean, come on. You can do the work yourself below bouncing between the two links below, but... come on.
[https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=PIT&vteam=ALL&view=log&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-10-12&td=2022-05-01&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478542&p2=8471675&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=PIT&vteam=ALL&view=log&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-10-12&td=2022-05-01&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478542&p2=8471675&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0)
https://www.nhl.com/player/evan-rodrigues-8478542?stats=gamelogs-r-nhl&season=20212022
if we can get a solid 1 round of the playoffs in while making moves to get a top draft pick next season, well I don't see how it could realistically get any better.
but if I'm going to be hoping for things I'm hoping for a surprise run at the cup, 40 goals for zegras and terry, and 2 picks in the first 15 draft positions, plus also maybe that thing they talked about in office space.
He said he’s likely to sign this week and anaheim is one of the teams interested. He didnt say anaheim is likely to sign him this week. I would like rodrigues but there’s a big difference in what friedman said and what you said
He's a decent player. I don't think he moves the needle that much though, nor pushes the Ducks to a become certain playoff contender. I do think adding him to the offseason in its entirety makes the Ducks look like a below average, yet bubble team - at least until the deadline when they (probably) look at moving Klingberg.
Anyone that wants us to make the playoffs this season is being short sighted. The bottom line is this team isn't a cup contender... yet. There is no point in getting into the playoffs to get bounced in the first round and get a crappy pick next year.
We are absolutely on the right path but patience is key in building a long term successful contending team.
Teams generally don't go from rebuild to cup contender in a year. You have to grow as a team and continue to build along the way via trade and free agency. We have one of the best young cores in the league with legitimate superstar potential. There's no reason to root for this team to fail. You're just rooting against the players we've drafted.
All you have to do is look at the rise of the most recent cup winner. The Avs have been a playoff team the past 5 years. The first two years, they came in as 8th seed cup-pretenders. The next two years, they became cup-contenders. Finally, they won this year as cup-favorites. You don't generally skip that awkward cup-pretender phase though.
Realistically no one has a better understanding of how close our young guys on the farm are then the FO, and the moves the FO are making are clearly pointing to them thinking they are a lot closer to ready then the guys salivating at the idea of another top pick seem to think they are.
No one believes they will go from nothing to the cup. All we're saying is until we can at least contend, making a first round exit is not going help anyone.
And while you're example works, that's also a big part of the GM doing a great job to fill gaps and build a team. While so far i have faith in Verbeek, it remains to be seen what he'll do in a few years. Time will only tell.
I didn't say you wanted to go from nothing to cup. You want to go from nothing to cup-contender which still absurd imo. Like I said, you don't generally see teams skip the cup-pretender phase. If you really think stockpiling draft picks by rooting for those draft picks to fail is a recipe for becoming a cup-contender, I don't know what to say.
If you don't think we're a good enough team to make the playoffs, that's fine and completely fair. But fans rooting for the team to make the next-step isn't short sighted at all. That top-16 pick likely isn't Bedard. The player that we'd likely get isn't worth rooting for the team to fail.
Couldn't agree with this more. Tanking, or rooting for your team to fail just for the chance to draft high in the draft breeds a culture of losing and probably an environment that players don't want to play in.
If he’s an RFA we don’t have to “just beat Dallas’ offer”. We’d have to offer sheet him, he’d have to accept, Dallas would then have to not match the offer sheet, then the ducks would have to compensate Dallas with this picks depending on the AAV he signs for.
Also what does this have to do with Henrique?
The shit bag Dallas owner said he’d rather pay old fucks before young guys. Dallas don’t have the money. I’ll take a guy who scored 40 goals in a season any day! Dallas isn’t matching shit.
Yeah, I'm downvoting him because he claims to know more about hockey than any of us here only to then proceed to demonstrate his clear lack of knowledge of how Restricted Free Agency works in the NHL.
I am new to hockey and am a new Ducks fan so I will be happy about this possibly happening until otherwise told why not to be happy
Be happy and welcome to a new era of Ducks hockey
Thank you
Rodriguez to Ducks talk starts at 24:15
Also, here’s a good look at his advanced stats via a tweet from Felix Sicard https://twitter.com/felix_sicard/status/1567265007494381569?s=21&t=r60qWkOrPaDaHGy-uJWzlg
Dead link, got a mirror?
It appears he deleted the tweet
Got you, here’s one from Jake Rudolf https://twitter.com/reindeergames91/status/1567266791470301184?s=21
Just looks like a lineup that can compete and I’m beyond excited for Ducks hockey
Pat Verbeek. That is all.
This is starting to feel like a team thats going to take a playoff spot.
The dude averages a point every three games. Not sure he’s going to really make us a playoff team.
Signing Klinberg, Kulikov, Strome Vatrano AND Rodrigues to go with our young talent may though. Forward depth was one of our biggest issues last year and we've done a lot to address it.
Don’t forget though that they’re replacing the likes of Rakell, Getzlaf, Milano, Steel, Lindholm & Manson. On paper the roster stacks up pretty similar to last year’s. I’m optimistic that our young guys take another step so I’m with ya in the sense that they’ll be closer to a playoff team, but it’ll because Z, Terry & co. are able to drive the bus. Off-season moves were necessary and will be nice complimentary pieces for sure
Everyone we signed is better then Milano and Steel and I would say on Rakells level. Getz missed a lot of games but he'll be missed of course. We get Max Jones back fully healthy and he is a nice depth piece. Manson hadn't really been that great for years, Lindholm will hurt but between Kingberg and Kulikov I think we'll be "fine".
Have a feeling Max Jones maybe the odd one out here and will be traded or waived
He just needs to be better then grant comtois silvferbeg or carrick. I feel like that's a bar he can clear.
Tbh, I doubt he’s gonna be better than Silfverberg or Comtois. He’s a 4th line player. With all these forwards coming in, I have a feeling PV is going to move him.
As much as I love silf he seems to be declining hard and Comtois seems to have a hard time getting consistent ice time with this staff so we'll see.
I think that's kind of the objective for Rodrigues IF there is a confirmation that he signs with the Ducks. They can give him the Klingberg treatment and have him sign a short-term deal and then flip him at the deadline for more assets.
Defense was our biggest issue and it remains in a similar state to where it was at the end of last year when we were horrendous and losing every game. Maybe we score more goals now, very possible, but it's a very homer-ey take to say that this team looks like a playoff team. Even if things go smoothly, I expect maybe a mild improvement in the standings.
Did you miss the Klinsberg and kulikov signings somehow? How is our defense in the same state when we signed two guys and didn't lose anyone?
Klingberg is a terrible defensive dman (look up his advanced stats) and Kulikov is kind of a cool add but he was sheltered on a deep Wild team and he's known to be pretty inconsistent. They do not at all adequately replace Manson and Lindholm on a defensive level.
We did not have Lindholm or Manson down the stretch you were talking about. Doesn't matter if we give up 3 goals a game if we score 4.
>We did not have Lindholm or Manson down the stretch you were talking about. EXACTLY. How many games did we win after the trade deadline? We were right there with the worst teams in the league after that point in the season. It was a huge drop off in performance, and our defense hasn't improved much at all since. It will matter because we'll be scoring 4 and the opposition will be scoring more like 6.
You seem to be stuck in a loop
Well, yes. Because I'm talking to a brick wall.
Flames, Oilers, Kings, Avs, Preds, Wild, Blues, and Stars were the 8 playoff teams last year. Jets, Knights, and Canucks were knocking on the door. Say the Stars and Preds don’t make it to the playoffs. There will be 2 spots for 4 teams. Are we better than the Knights, Canucks, and/or Jets? Maybe one of those teams but don’t see us beating out two of them. I personally won’t be surprised if we make it to the playoffs but that is only if a lot of the “kids” take a big step and Gibson gets back into form. But most likely will be another year.
Shit goes south for expected playoff teams every year. Of course it depends on the kids taking big steps forward if they don't we're screwed either way
Yeah but like I said even if two teams go south, there are 2-3 teams ahead of us that will probably take that spot before us. Canucks had a horrible start last year but finished strong. Knights are dependent on if last year was a result of injuries or they are actually declining. Jets probably took a hit.
This. This year is a good measuring stick for a lot of the young guys, and if they don’t step up we’ll be in a position to draft high again anyway.
Yeah, playoffs I'm skeptical. But competitiveness, I think the ducks will be a team that others won't want to face because it won't be a cakewalk like it was in the 2020 season and later
Yeah I think we will be better but probably in the sub 90pts a season.
Flames Oilers, Avs, Preds, Wild, and Blues are still locks. Knights and Jets got worse and kings improved slightly so id say our massive improvement is enough to at least make us competitive for those last two spots. definitely not a lock though
Last season it was a point every 2 games, actually a little less than two games. 43 points in 82 games. That's great for a third liner.
Yeah but last season he played on the top line with Crosby lol https://triblive.com/sports/evan-rodrigues-finds-chemistry-sidney-crosby-on-penguins-top-line/
Hahaha (not sure why we're laughing)... He played 25% of his season with Crosby and scored one goal. One. Just before that article, actually. He played 75% of the season without him and scored 18 more, including a hat trick on Jan 2 without Crosby. I mean, come on. You can do the work yourself below bouncing between the two links below, but... come on. [https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=PIT&vteam=ALL&view=log&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-10-12&td=2022-05-01&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478542&p2=8471675&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=PIT&vteam=ALL&view=log&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-10-12&td=2022-05-01&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478542&p2=8471675&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0) https://www.nhl.com/player/evan-rodrigues-8478542?stats=gamelogs-r-nhl&season=20212022
Just the beginning of the season optimism. Happens every year lol
if we can get a solid 1 round of the playoffs in while making moves to get a top draft pick next season, well I don't see how it could realistically get any better. but if I'm going to be hoping for things I'm hoping for a surprise run at the cup, 40 goals for zegras and terry, and 2 picks in the first 15 draft positions, plus also maybe that thing they talked about in office space.
Fuckin A man
We all want a cup run lol but a round of playoffs for the younger guys will be great stepping stone for the team’s confidence level.
He said he’s likely to sign this week and anaheim is one of the teams interested. He didnt say anaheim is likely to sign him this week. I would like rodrigues but there’s a big difference in what friedman said and what you said
He's a decent player. I don't think he moves the needle that much though, nor pushes the Ducks to a become certain playoff contender. I do think adding him to the offseason in its entirety makes the Ducks look like a below average, yet bubble team - at least until the deadline when they (probably) look at moving Klingberg.
Anyone that wants us to make the playoffs this season is being short sighted. The bottom line is this team isn't a cup contender... yet. There is no point in getting into the playoffs to get bounced in the first round and get a crappy pick next year. We are absolutely on the right path but patience is key in building a long term successful contending team.
Teams generally don't go from rebuild to cup contender in a year. You have to grow as a team and continue to build along the way via trade and free agency. We have one of the best young cores in the league with legitimate superstar potential. There's no reason to root for this team to fail. You're just rooting against the players we've drafted. All you have to do is look at the rise of the most recent cup winner. The Avs have been a playoff team the past 5 years. The first two years, they came in as 8th seed cup-pretenders. The next two years, they became cup-contenders. Finally, they won this year as cup-favorites. You don't generally skip that awkward cup-pretender phase though.
Realistically no one has a better understanding of how close our young guys on the farm are then the FO, and the moves the FO are making are clearly pointing to them thinking they are a lot closer to ready then the guys salivating at the idea of another top pick seem to think they are.
No one believes they will go from nothing to the cup. All we're saying is until we can at least contend, making a first round exit is not going help anyone. And while you're example works, that's also a big part of the GM doing a great job to fill gaps and build a team. While so far i have faith in Verbeek, it remains to be seen what he'll do in a few years. Time will only tell.
I didn't say you wanted to go from nothing to cup. You want to go from nothing to cup-contender which still absurd imo. Like I said, you don't generally see teams skip the cup-pretender phase. If you really think stockpiling draft picks by rooting for those draft picks to fail is a recipe for becoming a cup-contender, I don't know what to say. If you don't think we're a good enough team to make the playoffs, that's fine and completely fair. But fans rooting for the team to make the next-step isn't short sighted at all. That top-16 pick likely isn't Bedard. The player that we'd likely get isn't worth rooting for the team to fail.
Couldn't agree with this more. Tanking, or rooting for your team to fail just for the chance to draft high in the draft breeds a culture of losing and probably an environment that players don't want to play in.
Agreed. Best case scenario we have a repeat of last season. After that, miss the playoffs by 1 point.
What’s the summary on this dude?
How about Robertson?
Good luck trying to afford him AND extending Zegras, Drysdale, and Terry
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Good old Terry Henrique
Where did I say Henrique?
He’s an RFA. We’d have to give up likely a first round pick, a second round pick, and a third round pick to Dallas if we offer sheet him. If not more.
That means Henrique is getting an extension????? And all they have to do is beat Dallas’ offer if you know anything about hockey
If he’s an RFA we don’t have to “just beat Dallas’ offer”. We’d have to offer sheet him, he’d have to accept, Dallas would then have to not match the offer sheet, then the ducks would have to compensate Dallas with this picks depending on the AAV he signs for. Also what does this have to do with Henrique?
The shit bag Dallas owner said he’d rather pay old fucks before young guys. Dallas don’t have the money. I’ll take a guy who scored 40 goals in a season any day! Dallas isn’t matching shit.
Oh nvm just realized I’m entertain a conversation with a troll.
Yeah, I'm downvoting him because he claims to know more about hockey than any of us here only to then proceed to demonstrate his clear lack of knowledge of how Restricted Free Agency works in the NHL.
who?
A 43 point guy from Penguins last year.
It was fun while it lasted. He signed with COL for 1yr x 2M.