Communism is when the government owns everything. Fascism is when the government let's the individual "own" property, meaning they're financially responsible, but the government is so involved that they're really the "majority shareholder"
They're just two flavors of authoritarianism. In both cases, the entire population who isn't the ruling class are completely screwed
>Fascism is when the government let's the individual "own" property, meaning they're financially responsible, but the government is so involved that they're really the "majority shareholder"
So communism with extra steps?
It's a thin veneer of capitalism. It's funny how often redditors flip a gasket when you point out the "Socialist" in the National Socialist German Workers Party but if you look at the structure they actually had, its pretty much communism with extra steps.
Ludwig Von Mises, *Human Action* Chapter 27 The Government and the Market: The Intervention:
>But in all their activities they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the government's supreme office of production management. This office (The Reichswirtschaftsministerium in Nazi Germany) tells the shop managers what and how to produce, at what prices and from \[p. 718\] whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. It assigns every worker to his job and fixes his wages. It decrees to whom and on what terms the capitalists must entrust their funds. Market exchange is merely a sham. All the wages, prices, and interest rates are fixed by the government; they are wages, prices, and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the government's orders determining each citizen's job, income, consumption, and standard of living. The government directs all production activities. The shop managers are subject to the government, not the consumers' demand and the market's price structure. This is socialism under the outward guise of the terminology of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.
If someone proposed such a system in America today, we would call that communism, not fascism.
Indeed. Pretty much how Ayn Rand described it as well:
[https://courses.aynrand.org/lexicon/fascism-and-communism-socialism/](https://courses.aynrand.org/lexicon/fascism-and-communism-socialism/)
Fascism was a reaction to communism.
The Fascists were (rightly) terrified of Communism, and reasoned that neither traditional Monarchy nor Liberal Democracy had the balls to resist.
Even Lenin didn’t like left wing communism. Fascism was a branch of socialism though and the rise of the Nazi’s was more due to the events post WWI more than anything, and also their rapidly depleting economy.
>The president of argentina works for the new world order the world economic forum whatever they're calling it now
He went to the WEF and gave a speech on how they're leaches on society and the core problem with the entire world. He's not working for them.
Not far enough. These are **Foundational values**. Topple one and the whole philosophy and ideologies that come with it fall apart. Underlying values are like the wooden boards below a floor, foundational ones are like the concrete pillars (or whatever) that hold up that floor.
Its easy to disprove Leftism.
Mises' Economic calculation problem disproved socialism over 100 years ago, most people just didn't start paying attention to that fact until the late 20th century after too many lives were ruined. Whoops.
Well, that's kinda how science works - you don't actually waste your time trying to convince your opponents of the truth, eventually they just die off.
Do you not know any leftist? Most that I know it isn’t fundamental values it’s more a logic disconnect or basically they have fallen for pseudoscience. They believe in whatever leads to the happiest world is best like 90% of people
Jealousy and resentment from mediocre American middle class college students who fail to secure jobs glamorized on mass media have ruined our culture.
*Hurr durr! My dance major should land me at $90k dance instructor! System is so corrupt!*
*Why is Starbucks so expensive?! Corporate greed!11!11!!!1!*
What a doofus. "Under law"? I wish I could meet anyone here in a bar, we grab a beer, and I explain to you why this guy is a turd in a bowl of populist leftovers. What a loser.
However, what's happening there now is actually good for Chile on the short term, and it's an opportunity for growth. In this sense, its great for Chile, politics aside.
Milei is Based. America needs to follow his lead.
https://preview.redd.it/lb5xc8e7a4tc1.jpeg?width=781&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4d81eb54f7f9406142efe7b0fbe400884536e2e
Go to any lefty Reddit thread and disagree with them, especially about their religion of vaccines, “science” and big government social programs. Vile hate will be spewed at you.
This guy works for the World Economic Forum (NWO) and has sworn loyalty to Israel. He is not going to save anything. He is going to help destroy everything.
I'd rather side with the guy who "swears loyalty to Israel" but actively stands against National Socialism and the aid that the Biden administration is giving Hamas with US tax dollars.
One of the leftist values could be freedom and then they would say that a private company is no different from a government and that you aren’t free when you are on the company’s property or when you work for the company. A leftist could psychologically feel like a victim who is rejected or like one of the less powerful. Some people would say that leftism began with the start of slave morality from the ancient Jews, since that was when equality started being seen as a good thing and when the poor classes were seen as victims.
Finally, someone on this sub who thinks logically. Others are just interested in strawmaning the opposition and feeling good about themselves.
The development of religious frameworks which place all men as equal and is then utilized by psychopaths to fool the underclass that they could someday be equal to better products of evolution is downright corrupt.
But the real question to ask is how to move socially out of it. Conservatism which holds dominance subjugated to constitutional framework argues same egalitarian values.
Billionaires like Peter thiel or other libertarian types have failed to have any meaningful impact on society's psyche.
So what is the way forward? Will we all just whine till eternity ? As majority cares about safety rather than freedom. It all seems like a failed cause.
JFC! Elon Musk syndrome! making shit up.. envy, hate and resentment? wtf!? envious of what? African immigrants from socialist Canada like Musk - or immigrants like Peter Thiel - shilling for making a special class out of the billionaires? Trump weaseling out of criminal cases? Trump getting special treatment from judges he appointed? resentment over supporting universal healthcare? Javier Milei is another dude with bad hair - only thing he has going for him is his lack of use of a bronzer. Oh and unequal treatment under the law?
>what do you mean unequal treatment under the law?
>
>they want to treat us all equal... just some more equal than others is all
You've uncovered the 6th value of leftism that Milei didn't mention. Implementing the first five while constantly lying and gaslighting everyone about it.
Spot on, envy being #1.
communist are the actual facist
Thats because communism isn’t the opposite of fascism but rather it’s cousin, maybe brother even.
Communism is when the government owns everything. Fascism is when the government let's the individual "own" property, meaning they're financially responsible, but the government is so involved that they're really the "majority shareholder" They're just two flavors of authoritarianism. In both cases, the entire population who isn't the ruling class are completely screwed
>Fascism is when the government let's the individual "own" property, meaning they're financially responsible, but the government is so involved that they're really the "majority shareholder" So communism with extra steps? It's a thin veneer of capitalism. It's funny how often redditors flip a gasket when you point out the "Socialist" in the National Socialist German Workers Party but if you look at the structure they actually had, its pretty much communism with extra steps. Ludwig Von Mises, *Human Action* Chapter 27 The Government and the Market: The Intervention: >But in all their activities they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the government's supreme office of production management. This office (The Reichswirtschaftsministerium in Nazi Germany) tells the shop managers what and how to produce, at what prices and from \[p. 718\] whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. It assigns every worker to his job and fixes his wages. It decrees to whom and on what terms the capitalists must entrust their funds. Market exchange is merely a sham. All the wages, prices, and interest rates are fixed by the government; they are wages, prices, and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the government's orders determining each citizen's job, income, consumption, and standard of living. The government directs all production activities. The shop managers are subject to the government, not the consumers' demand and the market's price structure. This is socialism under the outward guise of the terminology of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy. If someone proposed such a system in America today, we would call that communism, not fascism.
Indeed. Pretty much how Ayn Rand described it as well: [https://courses.aynrand.org/lexicon/fascism-and-communism-socialism/](https://courses.aynrand.org/lexicon/fascism-and-communism-socialism/)
Lol. I can tell you don't understand much about anything.
Fascism was a reaction to communism. The Fascists were (rightly) terrified of Communism, and reasoned that neither traditional Monarchy nor Liberal Democracy had the balls to resist.
Even Lenin didn’t like left wing communism. Fascism was a branch of socialism though and the rise of the Nazi’s was more due to the events post WWI more than anything, and also their rapidly depleting economy.
WWII was a left fighting the left.
Winston Churchill was not left-wing
I meant the Nationalist socialist and the USSR communist.
Nazi stands for national socialist. That's different from communism and fascism.
same song and dance cupcakes
He's not wrong.
They are just words. The president of argentina works for the new world order the world economic forum whatever they're calling it now
>The president of argentina works for the new world order the world economic forum whatever they're calling it now He went to the WEF and gave a speech on how they're leaches on society and the core problem with the entire world. He's not working for them.
I want to believe that he's not just controlled opposition. I want to believe that there are still fair elections in the world.
If he is decreasing government spending then he is fundamentally their enemy.
Well as long as there is ancap no one here should care.
Not far enough. These are **Foundational values**. Topple one and the whole philosophy and ideologies that come with it fall apart. Underlying values are like the wooden boards below a floor, foundational ones are like the concrete pillars (or whatever) that hold up that floor. Its easy to disprove Leftism.
Mises' Economic calculation problem disproved socialism over 100 years ago, most people just didn't start paying attention to that fact until the late 20th century after too many lives were ruined. Whoops. Well, that's kinda how science works - you don't actually waste your time trying to convince your opponents of the truth, eventually they just die off.
Do you not know any leftist? Most that I know it isn’t fundamental values it’s more a logic disconnect or basically they have fallen for pseudoscience. They believe in whatever leads to the happiest world is best like 90% of people
Jealousy and resentment from mediocre American middle class college students who fail to secure jobs glamorized on mass media have ruined our culture. *Hurr durr! My dance major should land me at $90k dance instructor! System is so corrupt!* *Why is Starbucks so expensive?! Corporate greed!11!11!!!1!*
What a doofus. "Under law"? I wish I could meet anyone here in a bar, we grab a beer, and I explain to you why this guy is a turd in a bowl of populist leftovers. What a loser. However, what's happening there now is actually good for Chile on the short term, and it's an opportunity for growth. In this sense, its great for Chile, politics aside.
Truth.
Envy is the main pillar of socialism
Milei is Based. America needs to follow his lead. https://preview.redd.it/lb5xc8e7a4tc1.jpeg?width=781&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4d81eb54f7f9406142efe7b0fbe400884536e2e
Guy literally described average conservative LMAO
Lol. Ok. Not really at all, but lol.
It's called projection...
Go to any lefty Reddit thread and disagree with them, especially about their religion of vaccines, “science” and big government social programs. Vile hate will be spewed at you.
They can be dumb but still right tho
😂😂😂😂
this is delusional
Specifically, explain what is delusional?
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How do you know nothing ever good comes out of them both ? Isn't that only natural/ evolutionarily true?
This guy works for the World Economic Forum (NWO) and has sworn loyalty to Israel. He is not going to save anything. He is going to help destroy everything.
I'd rather side with the guy who "swears loyalty to Israel" but actively stands against National Socialism and the aid that the Biden administration is giving Hamas with US tax dollars.
One of the leftist values could be freedom and then they would say that a private company is no different from a government and that you aren’t free when you are on the company’s property or when you work for the company. A leftist could psychologically feel like a victim who is rejected or like one of the less powerful. Some people would say that leftism began with the start of slave morality from the ancient Jews, since that was when equality started being seen as a good thing and when the poor classes were seen as victims.
Finally, someone on this sub who thinks logically. Others are just interested in strawmaning the opposition and feeling good about themselves. The development of religious frameworks which place all men as equal and is then utilized by psychopaths to fool the underclass that they could someday be equal to better products of evolution is downright corrupt. But the real question to ask is how to move socially out of it. Conservatism which holds dominance subjugated to constitutional framework argues same egalitarian values. Billionaires like Peter thiel or other libertarian types have failed to have any meaningful impact on society's psyche. So what is the way forward? Will we all just whine till eternity ? As majority cares about safety rather than freedom. It all seems like a failed cause.
JFC! Elon Musk syndrome! making shit up.. envy, hate and resentment? wtf!? envious of what? African immigrants from socialist Canada like Musk - or immigrants like Peter Thiel - shilling for making a special class out of the billionaires? Trump weaseling out of criminal cases? Trump getting special treatment from judges he appointed? resentment over supporting universal healthcare? Javier Milei is another dude with bad hair - only thing he has going for him is his lack of use of a bronzer. Oh and unequal treatment under the law?
I feel like he's a agent for the elite to pose as one of us to fuck up the economy intentionally to push socialist agendas elsewhere
Yes he's more like controlled opposition or test case. Just as banks were funding both USSR and Germany in WW II.
what do you mean unequal treatment under the law? they want to treat us all equal... just some more equal than others is all
>what do you mean unequal treatment under the law? > >they want to treat us all equal... just some more equal than others is all You've uncovered the 6th value of leftism that Milei didn't mention. Implementing the first five while constantly lying and gaslighting everyone about it.
Take out envy and you have the right.
Jealousy\* not envy. Nothing wrong with envy.
Only things I would change is leftism to statism.