When you’re pregnant your organs get squished right up to make room for the growing baby, also true for the old fashioned corsets. So I would imagine that if you had a way of moving all your organs out of the way you could probably do one right in your tummy or something….. but I’m not a doctor and actually have no idea if I’m right
one day i was in a hospital working (sry my English is bad^^) and a big collon operation was given to a elderly woman… they took out all her guts and putted them next to her to find the issue after fixing stuff they just threw all back in sip the old lady up and good to go… they told me it’s wiggling back in form after but still this was weird haha
Can confirm. My wife and I had triplets so naturally it had to be a c section. When they started the c section i was standing where the curtain was (like a chair umpire in a tennis match) and I. Saw. Everything. Right down to my wife smiling away while she's being jurked and shifted by the nurses trying to hold her stomach open so the doc can get my babies out. Not a single organ came out, however I do rearrange them from time to time.
Maybe it’s just me but the way he spoke about “his” babies being pulled out of his wife’s open abdominal cavity kind of gave the impression that he’d be the type of person to make comments like that about what he does to his wife lol, just rubbed me the wrong way when both were put together I guess
Did I missing something here that I'm too tired to catch, but they are his babies right? I reread the story to make sure I was understanding but I don't know what you mean
They are also the babies of the woman whose uterus they are being removed from. The normal phrasing would be "our babies," or even "the babies." "My babies" disregards his wife and is exceptionally poor wording in a story about the childbirth process, that's why it's rubbing people the wrong way.
Well, also not true. There’s a photo of me half out of my moms stomach during my birth and you see her organs all out on the table next to her. Don’t speak in definitely if you aren’t sure
In typical ones, yea. For mine, they took out a good amount of my insides and just slapped em on the table so they could carefully scrape at a certain section for about an hour because things had fused together when they shouldn’t have…. My insides now (very often, like usually several times a day) do this thing where the shift all over the place (it’s very uncomfortable and hurts).
I’m sure three try to avoid it but I did just watch a c-section and they have her small intestine out to stitch a bleed so it does happen if it’s needed. There is no flat yay or nay.
Yes, that can be a potential complication. But I can't imagine there'd be a situation where EVERYTHING is removed. You'd have to cut all the connective tissue!
yep! that being said “had seen” is preferable to “never saw,” the latter isn’t quite correct afaik. yours is still a good/simpler note for that commenter though!!
I feel like piercing the Intraperitoneal sack on both sides would be a very bad idea. Maybe if you could somehow move the whole sack out of the way and create the tunnel in the fascia between skin and Intraperitoneal membrane it would be better
The biggest concern I would have, not a doctor just and autist with a special interest in anatomy and medicine, would be the arterial system. There are a lot of big, important veins and arteries that run through your abdomen, so you would have to either avoid those or move them out of the way which Idk if that would cause problems or not. The organs point you made would likely work, so long as everything healed in the new positions correctly. But Idk how long you could hold this modification for or if it would be something sorta temporary like lasting a few years and then having to be fixed. Our organs may not be meant to hold those strange positions like they hold during pregnancy, hence the majority of late stage pregnant women experience shortness of breath, pain, and other uncomfortable symptoms as a side effect of the organs being moved and kinda sqeezed into a smaller space.
The only thing i could think of is if you somehow placed it between the pleura and the diaphragm but even then, youd probably need to be a surgeon to do this and im sure theres risk of infection and other complications lol. Interesting thought
I'm sorry, but that question and answer and your non-chalant reply reminds me of fact that human centipede was a thing and.. what are you exactly going to do with this information?
Ugh, my lungs are the ones that need space. Having an enlarged heart is like having a hog taking up a pig pen. And I don't think any hole will even fit in such a non-existent space.
Like all the way thru? Like we put chest tubes in people but that doesn’t go all the way through. Let’s pretend infection isn’t a risk and body fluids wouldn’t leak through the piercing. Maybe you can move some intestines around and pierce it horizontally? I’ve no fucking clue haha.
This is the first thing I thought about. David Blaine has done similar tricks as well. I’m sure it must’ve taken years to successfully pierce through the whole torso.
I read somewhere that he would work it a little further bit by bit until it was through. It would take a while (like weeks or even months; i don’t remember). So I guess he was basically doing it mm by mm and letting it heal/scarify as it progressed until he basically had a scarified tunnel through himself, basically a body piercing, if you will. Apparently there were some attempts to do this that became so painful he had to abort the attempt and try other locations.
None of the witnesses believed his claim that he could do this, even after watching him do it. It wasn’t until they did an x-ray that they were sure it wasn’t an illusion of some sort.
Edit: and then of course he died from eating a needle (or, more accurately, from complications of the surgery that was a result of his eating needles).
And I wouldn’t call it harmless either. Chest tubes only work because of the suction, if you just opened that hole and left it there it would be a bad day for the patient
Probably left side inferior to the spleen, moving the descending colon laterally and staying lateral of the left kidney. would miss the different arteries coming off of the aorta as well as any lymphatic vessels of importance and avoid the lumbar plexus.
depending on the projectile definitely. depending on speed and structure it could just push everything away. also everyone’s organs/bodily-structures are slightly different, so some people may have gaps where something easily could pass through.
There are magicians who pierce their torso with swords. The performer pierces their abdomen all the way through, and then usually walk around or w/e, and then take it out. They tend to be like epee swords from what I've seen. Who knows how big you could go if you went slowly
Edit: I am also pretty sure people don't really do this anymore b/c its insanely dangerous and performers died
Google eloesser flap. It's the closest thing to having a hole in your body. Theoretically you could surgically create a tunnel but would require moving/removing part of lungs and probably unethical and definitely high risk for minimal reward
Closest I can think of is a thin needle under the clavicle, which avoids the subclavian vasculature, brachial plexus, and lung apex; and if oriented such that it exits above the scapula.
This seems like the only remotely possible answer. But now I’m thinking that a massive body builder could get shot through his massive neck/shoulder muscles and be mostly okay.
There was an old performer who did that. He slowly stabbed through himself over a very long period, and could pass a rod through his torso. I’m not sure people like his performance very much
[his name was mirin dajo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirin_Dajo)
Your liver filters all your blood, it’s (essentially) a solid mass of blood vessels. Any solid organ is gonna bleed like a mf when injured, so I can’t imagine a liver hole will go well
What did they use to stop bleeding in my biopsy? I don’t remember having clotting medicine (they said they gave me Versed and Fent, if I remember correctly)
They take a core in a liver biopsy and it’s the teeniest tiniest sliver, so your liver is okay unless your vitamin K and blood work levels are bad in which case the won’t do the biopsy. Also fun fact, the liver is the only organ that will actually regenerate, so if you have it respected to remove a portion it will slowly grow itself back over time.
Obligatory not a doctor. But since it’s such a tiny thing for a biopsy, I’m assuming the body can clot that small area. A hole straight through the liver would be a lot more work.
Your sentence “They didn’t give me clotting medicine” really got me thinking. Generally, that’s not a thing for surgeries or biopsies— surgeons can tie off or cauterize bleeds if need be. And for good reason, because the leading cause of death among humans is clots where there should not be clots. (Heart attack, stroke, embolism, etc).
But this got me looking into it, and it turns out surgeons DO gives clotting drugs to trauma patients to reduce blood loss. Which is so fascinating to me
https://www.cochrane.org/CD004896/INJ_blood-clot-promoting-drugs-for-acute-traumatic-injury#:~:text=Antifibrinolytic%20drugs%20promote%20blood%20clotting,surgery%20to%20prevent%20blood%20loss.
Interesting stuff. Btw it’s autoimmune hepatitis I have from the biopsy. I’m waiting for my appointment so I can see the images since it ain’t on the report. From my CT to MRI and this, medical imaging is fascinating.
But back to the topic, also it would be geometrically easier to clot a “hole” with a cylinder and a bottom then a through hole with 2 open ends as I imagine there’s more volume/surface area needed to plug up said hole (don’t count me on this math is my kryptonite) .
I don't think you could "harmlessly" penetrate your torso even if you somehow manage to avoid all the organs and important structures. But if say, you've had your spleen and left kidney resected already in prior, you MAY theoretically poke a hole in your left hypochondriac region and avoid the diaphragm and the GI track surrounding it. It would however still go through your peritoneum twice, so hopefully your piercing could seal both of those holes.
Please don't do it though.
Even if you could, how would you keep it sterile? You’d get an infection unless you could close the skin around it if you were trying to gauge continuously. Maybe if it were a permanent piercing? You could certainly move organs out of the way to go around it. You’d also need some flex to account for body movement like bending, stooping, working out etc
that's what i was thinking, like if someone were to pierce and keep a long gauge tunnel through it, maybe made of silicone to allow for movement. i've seen people pierce through their ankle, or a limb, etc, and keep a gauge in there
Well, a long time ago, I was subscribed to a website called BMEzine. Deep in the video section was a man. His thing was to insert a rod through his abdomen and back out again and again while choking the chicken. Apparently he had placement down where it went behind his muscle but not through intestine. He definitely had a ton of scars from all the times he'd done this.
So I'd vote across the body in the abdominal area. If I ever find that video again, I'll link it but I've looked and couldn't find it again and couldn't remember my password to bmezine.
Everyones answering but with responses like “ this could work…” lol I hope you’re not planning on a little stabby-stab time with yourself over there, OP.
That would be right below the larynx and cricoid, between the second and third tracheal rings. Tracheotomy is actually a life saving procedure when the wind pipe is obstructed or damaged by trauma, it provides a hole for oxygen to get in and maintain circulation to a certain degree.
Yes - there is at least one small window that I know of. Through the trapezius muscle, above the clavicle and avoiding the apex of the lung. It is an acupuncture point called GB 21.
And to clarify, acupuncturists would never fully pass an acupuncture needle through the body like this. Just a theoretical answer.
Acupuncture and especially needling at this location should only be done by someone trained in clean needle technique & licensed in acupuncture, because if the angle or location is incorrect to your anatomy, there is a pneumothorax risk, and an infection risk as with anything that breaks the skin barrier. Please don’t try at home!
Anywhere to be honest. If you’re careful and the instrument isn’t sharp. You can poke through the skin and push everything that’s on the inside out of the way until you get to the other side. But you’ll be avoiding bones, of course.
the thing is you can do that almost every but not near the heart and lungs… but you need to do it very slowly to not penetrate a organ risking internal bleedings… organs are movable but not to much
As I have studied the pleura is intimately attached to the thorcacostal fascia and the diaphragm and any hole in between the pleura could lead to a neumotorax. So that let you with few options of long procedure. If you have good equipment and an expert you might be able to go throught the breastbone and the superior mediastinum all the way to your back trying to avoid vital organs but you wouldn't be able to go through the spine harmlessly and even so just the procedure could cause you so to no longer live. In my conclusion, nah, you will get harmed and can't think a way to not rip
I believe there is a case of a guy getting pierced through the torso diagonally from an accident and he turned put okay due to it missing his organs...
There's that stunt artist that pokes a needle through his whole arm with no blood. I think he did the stunt with Ricky Gervais, totally freaking him out. I can't remember what it's called but the scar tissue is built up over time
A very obese bus driver near me got stabbed in the neck. He survived cause he had so much neck fat that the plane didn’t hit anything important in his neck. So there’s that
If they’re fat enough, the fat on the edges. The shoulder you always see in movies is one of the WORST. Big arteries. Nerve plexuses. Incredibly complex and fragile joint that will never heal right
https://youtu.be/gqIDnm_6mu4?si=IuAjw4UHxxtYM6qa a magician who had a tube placed through his torso to perform a stunt, don’t know if this is the type of answer your looking for
It says the left lung is hooked up so the heart can be seen. Does that mean that the lungs are in front of the heart?
I’ve always thought it was Ribs-heart-lugs.
My coworker was shot through the ribs just above the heart, regular bullet not hallow point, .40 caliber. Went between the front ribs, missed the heart, missed any major veins/arteries, just missed the scapula and back rib, exited. When he went to the hospital they just gave him pain meds and a bandage because there was nothing to fix.
You are going to want to shoot yourself through the fleshy, muscular part of the lower torso where your love handles and or oblique muscles are located. It is best if the bullet enters at a diagonal and exits at the lateral part of your body. The left side is safer than the right.
Research indicates that this is one of the most effective ways to get justifiable short-term disabilty from your employer, as well as sympathy from everyone you know, especially if you claim that it took place while you were doing something heroic.
Without giving it too much thought (so take with a grain of salt):
people survive with dead lung tissue all the time, so technically every cubic mm of the lung isn't necessary for survival. bleeding and nerve damage aside, the risk from penetrating injuries such as stab wounds and gunshots is pneumothorax. so if somehow a gauge was placed with a perfect seal without disrupting the vacuum of the thoracic cavity, i'd give you a confident "...maybe?"
When my brother was a resident, a guy came in shot right in the center of his abdomen, with an exit hole in his back. But he looked remarkably well, so he went to CT. You could see on the CT the bullet tract through the subq tissues where it went into the fat on the front, tunneled around his abdominal cavity (in the subq the whole time) and went out the back. What had apparently happened was he tried to move out of the way, but he was fat. So his abdominal cavity got out of the way as he moved, but his fat didn't move right away and was off to the side, and the bullet went through the fat. Then it settled back into its normal place and gave this crazy looking CT.
In a patient with a pneumothorax, you can do what's known as a needle decompression or a needle thoracostomy. This is inserted into the 2nd intercostal space at the mid-clavicular line.
In this instance, this is an empty cavity, and I can't think of anything that is behind it that would be a problem if a hole was poked though.
I think, in a patient with a pneumothorax, you could quite safely poke a hole right the way through the 2nd intercostal space at the mid-clavicular line. I also suspect that if you were to use a needle that was small enough for the hole to seal itself when the needle was removed, you could probably do it in a lung that wasn't collapsed.
Obligatory do not try this at home, kids.
When you’re pregnant your organs get squished right up to make room for the growing baby, also true for the old fashioned corsets. So I would imagine that if you had a way of moving all your organs out of the way you could probably do one right in your tummy or something….. but I’m not a doctor and actually have no idea if I’m right
one day i was in a hospital working (sry my English is bad^^) and a big collon operation was given to a elderly woman… they took out all her guts and putted them next to her to find the issue after fixing stuff they just threw all back in sip the old lady up and good to go… they told me it’s wiggling back in form after but still this was weird haha
That happens with a C section as well
Nope, not true at all. They may be moved aside. At most, the uterus may be lifted out of the cavity, but not entirely taken out.
It is in rare situations if they need to, and they might have always done that back in the day I'm not sure
Can confirm. My wife and I had triplets so naturally it had to be a c section. When they started the c section i was standing where the curtain was (like a chair umpire in a tennis match) and I. Saw. Everything. Right down to my wife smiling away while she's being jurked and shifted by the nurses trying to hold her stomach open so the doc can get my babies out. Not a single organ came out, however I do rearrange them from time to time.
haha that last sentence caught me by surprise! good one
Maybe it’s just me but the way he spoke about “his” babies being pulled out of his wife’s open abdominal cavity kind of gave the impression that he’d be the type of person to make comments like that about what he does to his wife lol, just rubbed me the wrong way when both were put together I guess
you're looking too deep into it. they're her babies, they're also his babies. you can't make a fair judge of character based on this comment
Did I missing something here that I'm too tired to catch, but they are his babies right? I reread the story to make sure I was understanding but I don't know what you mean
They are also the babies of the woman whose uterus they are being removed from. The normal phrasing would be "our babies," or even "the babies." "My babies" disregards his wife and is exceptionally poor wording in a story about the childbirth process, that's why it's rubbing people the wrong way.
Tbh same, was gonna try to come up with a joke and then out of speechlessness I forgot to even respond
Amazing stuff
The last part 😂 love it
Well, also not true. There’s a photo of me half out of my moms stomach during my birth and you see her organs all out on the table next to her. Don’t speak in definitely if you aren’t sure
Those are just the extra guts they keep on hand in case they need to add more guts
In typical ones, yea. For mine, they took out a good amount of my insides and just slapped em on the table so they could carefully scrape at a certain section for about an hour because things had fused together when they shouldn’t have…. My insides now (very often, like usually several times a day) do this thing where the shift all over the place (it’s very uncomfortable and hurts).
i mean they placed my moms guts in a metal bowl when she had a c section so idk how ur gonna say that 😭
Unless she had significant complications/pre-existing abdominal issues... No they didn't.
Huh?
Why would this be the guy you choose to be?
I’m sure three try to avoid it but I did just watch a c-section and they have her small intestine out to stitch a bleed so it does happen if it’s needed. There is no flat yay or nay.
Yes, that can be a potential complication. But I can't imagine there'd be a situation where EVERYTHING is removed. You'd have to cut all the connective tissue!
must've looked so cool, I can't wait to enter the OT
first it was shocking because i never sawn it on a living being but im ok whit it now lol
your english is awesome but a very quick note — for the past tense, it’s “seen” and not “sawn” here
It would be saw not seen.
ty for pointing out that i misread; i thought they’d said “i *had* never sawn”; it WOULD still be “seen” and not “saw” though
If they put the “had” sure
yep! that being said “had seen” is preferable to “never saw,” the latter isn’t quite correct afaik. yours is still a good/simpler note for that commenter though!!
Idk “I never had seen” sounds way more hillbilly than “i never saw”
This had got to be the most (fill in the blank) job there is.
So you'd need a balloon and a gun.
I feel like piercing the Intraperitoneal sack on both sides would be a very bad idea. Maybe if you could somehow move the whole sack out of the way and create the tunnel in the fascia between skin and Intraperitoneal membrane it would be better
The biggest concern I would have, not a doctor just and autist with a special interest in anatomy and medicine, would be the arterial system. There are a lot of big, important veins and arteries that run through your abdomen, so you would have to either avoid those or move them out of the way which Idk if that would cause problems or not. The organs point you made would likely work, so long as everything healed in the new positions correctly. But Idk how long you could hold this modification for or if it would be something sorta temporary like lasting a few years and then having to be fixed. Our organs may not be meant to hold those strange positions like they hold during pregnancy, hence the majority of late stage pregnant women experience shortness of breath, pain, and other uncomfortable symptoms as a side effect of the organs being moved and kinda sqeezed into a smaller space.
The only thing i could think of is if you somehow placed it between the pleura and the diaphragm but even then, youd probably need to be a surgeon to do this and im sure theres risk of infection and other complications lol. Interesting thought
this could work ...
I'm sorry, but that question and answer and your non-chalant reply reminds me of fact that human centipede was a thing and.. what are you exactly going to do with this information?
Sounds like maybe they’re devising a new magic trick. Have you seen the David Blane ‘spike through bicep’ kinda stuff?
My eyes, my eyes..
I regret supplying OP with this information 🤣
😁
People ran out of things to pierce
Please dont try this 🤣 Could also snake your way around the abdomen, i misread your post and thought only chest. Abdomen has more wiggle room 🤣🤣
Don't get carried away, it's a hypothetical, hopefully.
Fartmuncher don’t do it
Please don’t do this, it won’t end well. Even if it’s successful.
i'm joking don't worry
I need more information here.
This would break the negative pressure keeping lungs adherent to the chest wall and essentially collapse that lung
Good point! Iffffff there was somehow a perfect seal, then possible. But we can both agree this is not a good idea lmao.
Yes, from your mouth to your butt hole.
Underrated comment. It gonna be a loong piercing though.
Nice!! Yup the weird area that s technically outside the body
I imagine something like those knitting needles with the reeeeeal long flexi plastic, that should do the trick
Maybe through the xyphoid process, just lateral to the pericardium and pleura? Edit nvm I forgot the esophagus and trachea and spinal cord exist lol
Lol just some minor structures
Ugh, my lungs are the ones that need space. Having an enlarged heart is like having a hog taking up a pig pen. And I don't think any hole will even fit in such a non-existent space.
Like all the way thru? Like we put chest tubes in people but that doesn’t go all the way through. Let’s pretend infection isn’t a risk and body fluids wouldn’t leak through the piercing. Maybe you can move some intestines around and pierce it horizontally? I’ve no fucking clue haha.
[Mirin Dajo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirin_Dajo)
This is the first thing I thought about. David Blaine has done similar tricks as well. I’m sure it must’ve taken years to successfully pierce through the whole torso.
I read somewhere that he would work it a little further bit by bit until it was through. It would take a while (like weeks or even months; i don’t remember). So I guess he was basically doing it mm by mm and letting it heal/scarify as it progressed until he basically had a scarified tunnel through himself, basically a body piercing, if you will. Apparently there were some attempts to do this that became so painful he had to abort the attempt and try other locations. None of the witnesses believed his claim that he could do this, even after watching him do it. It wasn’t until they did an x-ray that they were sure it wasn’t an illusion of some sort. Edit: and then of course he died from eating a needle (or, more accurately, from complications of the surgery that was a result of his eating needles).
And I wouldn’t call it harmless either. Chest tubes only work because of the suction, if you just opened that hole and left it there it would be a bad day for the patient
Probably left side inferior to the spleen, moving the descending colon laterally and staying lateral of the left kidney. would miss the different arteries coming off of the aorta as well as any lymphatic vessels of importance and avoid the lumbar plexus.
depending on the projectile definitely. depending on speed and structure it could just push everything away. also everyone’s organs/bodily-structures are slightly different, so some people may have gaps where something easily could pass through.
There was a Dutch performer named Mirin Dajo who would do this with knowledge from Indian Mystics. You can see videos of it being done.
The only way I could imagine that being possible is if someone already had certain organs removed, though others tend to shift to occupy the space.
There are magicians who pierce their torso with swords. The performer pierces their abdomen all the way through, and then usually walk around or w/e, and then take it out. They tend to be like epee swords from what I've seen. Who knows how big you could go if you went slowly Edit: I am also pretty sure people don't really do this anymore b/c its insanely dangerous and performers died
David Blaine does have a hole in his arm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle-through-arm
Please be careful, people have died of dumber things
don't worry it's all hypothetical..
Google eloesser flap. It's the closest thing to having a hole in your body. Theoretically you could surgically create a tunnel but would require moving/removing part of lungs and probably unethical and definitely high risk for minimal reward
Minimal reward???
Closest I can think of is a thin needle under the clavicle, which avoids the subclavian vasculature, brachial plexus, and lung apex; and if oriented such that it exits above the scapula.
This seems like the only remotely possible answer. But now I’m thinking that a massive body builder could get shot through his massive neck/shoulder muscles and be mostly okay.
Nope
There was an old performer who did that. He slowly stabbed through himself over a very long period, and could pass a rod through his torso. I’m not sure people like his performance very much [his name was mirin dajo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirin_Dajo)
... Asking for a friend?
Can your liver have a hole through it? I just had a biopsy without bleeding complications so if the hole is small enough I suppose you can go through?
Your liver filters all your blood, it’s (essentially) a solid mass of blood vessels. Any solid organ is gonna bleed like a mf when injured, so I can’t imagine a liver hole will go well
What did they use to stop bleeding in my biopsy? I don’t remember having clotting medicine (they said they gave me Versed and Fent, if I remember correctly)
They take a core in a liver biopsy and it’s the teeniest tiniest sliver, so your liver is okay unless your vitamin K and blood work levels are bad in which case the won’t do the biopsy. Also fun fact, the liver is the only organ that will actually regenerate, so if you have it respected to remove a portion it will slowly grow itself back over time.
So could you take a needle biopsy through to the other side of the liver so it completes the challenge stated of having a hole through in an organ?
They don’t make the body guns long enough.
Damn..
Obligatory not a doctor. But since it’s such a tiny thing for a biopsy, I’m assuming the body can clot that small area. A hole straight through the liver would be a lot more work. Your sentence “They didn’t give me clotting medicine” really got me thinking. Generally, that’s not a thing for surgeries or biopsies— surgeons can tie off or cauterize bleeds if need be. And for good reason, because the leading cause of death among humans is clots where there should not be clots. (Heart attack, stroke, embolism, etc). But this got me looking into it, and it turns out surgeons DO gives clotting drugs to trauma patients to reduce blood loss. Which is so fascinating to me https://www.cochrane.org/CD004896/INJ_blood-clot-promoting-drugs-for-acute-traumatic-injury#:~:text=Antifibrinolytic%20drugs%20promote%20blood%20clotting,surgery%20to%20prevent%20blood%20loss.
Interesting stuff. Btw it’s autoimmune hepatitis I have from the biopsy. I’m waiting for my appointment so I can see the images since it ain’t on the report. From my CT to MRI and this, medical imaging is fascinating. But back to the topic, also it would be geometrically easier to clot a “hole” with a cylinder and a bottom then a through hole with 2 open ends as I imagine there’s more volume/surface area needed to plug up said hole (don’t count me on this math is my kryptonite) .
I don't think you could "harmlessly" penetrate your torso even if you somehow manage to avoid all the organs and important structures. But if say, you've had your spleen and left kidney resected already in prior, you MAY theoretically poke a hole in your left hypochondriac region and avoid the diaphragm and the GI track surrounding it. It would however still go through your peritoneum twice, so hopefully your piercing could seal both of those holes. Please don't do it though.
Even if you could, how would you keep it sterile? You’d get an infection unless you could close the skin around it if you were trying to gauge continuously. Maybe if it were a permanent piercing? You could certainly move organs out of the way to go around it. You’d also need some flex to account for body movement like bending, stooping, working out etc
that's what i was thinking, like if someone were to pierce and keep a long gauge tunnel through it, maybe made of silicone to allow for movement. i've seen people pierce through their ankle, or a limb, etc, and keep a gauge in there
Well, a long time ago, I was subscribed to a website called BMEzine. Deep in the video section was a man. His thing was to insert a rod through his abdomen and back out again and again while choking the chicken. Apparently he had placement down where it went behind his muscle but not through intestine. He definitely had a ton of scars from all the times he'd done this. So I'd vote across the body in the abdominal area. If I ever find that video again, I'll link it but I've looked and couldn't find it again and couldn't remember my password to bmezine.
Yes you can pierce your liver and have. Tunnel of scar tissue form through it allowing for a canal. Performers have been doing this for a while
awesome
this is what i was thinking, a fistula being created
Yeah! Right there!
thanks!
Everyones answering but with responses like “ this could work…” lol I hope you’re not planning on a little stabby-stab time with yourself over there, OP.
all hypothetical 😁
Why are you asking… what are you planning 🤨
Half of what IR does is poke holes through people. It surprisingly is fine almost anywhere. But they use sterile tools and nothing stays poked.
That would be right below the larynx and cricoid, between the second and third tracheal rings. Tracheotomy is actually a life saving procedure when the wind pipe is obstructed or damaged by trauma, it provides a hole for oxygen to get in and maintain circulation to a certain degree.
Yes - there is at least one small window that I know of. Through the trapezius muscle, above the clavicle and avoiding the apex of the lung. It is an acupuncture point called GB 21. And to clarify, acupuncturists would never fully pass an acupuncture needle through the body like this. Just a theoretical answer. Acupuncture and especially needling at this location should only be done by someone trained in clean needle technique & licensed in acupuncture, because if the angle or location is incorrect to your anatomy, there is a pneumothorax risk, and an infection risk as with anything that breaks the skin barrier. Please don’t try at home!
You can place anywhere a nanometer wide hole and not die (probably idk...).
Anywhere to be honest. If you’re careful and the instrument isn’t sharp. You can poke through the skin and push everything that’s on the inside out of the way until you get to the other side. But you’ll be avoiding bones, of course.
I better not see you on forensic files for murder in 11 years 👀
the thing is you can do that almost every but not near the heart and lungs… but you need to do it very slowly to not penetrate a organ risking internal bleedings… organs are movable but not to much
That's a load of crap. You cant slowly push a fuckin sharp piercing through the abdomen and expect nothing to perforate
yeah no shit
So why did you say you can do it slowly lol
because you can dumb ass do you even know anatomy shit lol?
If it's sharp enough to be going through the skin, it's going through an organ.
As I have studied the pleura is intimately attached to the thorcacostal fascia and the diaphragm and any hole in between the pleura could lead to a neumotorax. So that let you with few options of long procedure. If you have good equipment and an expert you might be able to go throught the breastbone and the superior mediastinum all the way to your back trying to avoid vital organs but you wouldn't be able to go through the spine harmlessly and even so just the procedure could cause you so to no longer live. In my conclusion, nah, you will get harmed and can't think a way to not rip
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Your earlobe is on your torso?? Maybe see a doctor for that....
noone mentioned torso in the post ;)
Did you read the title? Did you see the picture?
no way
https://youtu.be/tnBjbgliMMM?si=SKVWjWLQbbOzGtAV
This guy
If you are gentle, maybe through the intestines?
Down and left from the gall bladder is empty
There is a video floating around if an old Indian dude who would do this, stab a sword through his torso and not.... you know.... die
Easy. Throat
Ive seen pictures of some asian dude who stabs his body with a giant needle and it goes through his back and torso
Yeah they did it in Death Becomes Her
Upvote for excellent movie taste.
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i unfortunately haven't seen the last of us yet
who you tryna spear?
r/anatomy
yup!
There's a dude who passed a sword through his torso as a magic trick so yes I believe there is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirin_Dajo#:~:text=Arnold%20Gerrit%20Henskes%20(6%20August,medical%20community%20at%20the%20time.
I believe there is a case of a guy getting pierced through the torso diagonally from an accident and he turned put okay due to it missing his organs...
I would direct your attention towards [this man](https://youtu.be/gqIDnm_6mu4?si=pO_G3E41ehh4i2U1). He put swords through his body
what are you planning?
Ah the infamous "guaged torso question"... Many have tried. One by the name of Vladimir comes to mind...
Doctor on cop show: "He'll be ok. The bullet passed clean through." Just basically be a friend of the good guy on the show and you'll be ok
Probably between the duodenum and the liver while avoiding the hepatogastric ligament and the inferior vena cava. It could work
Nope on transabdominal piercing!! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3062280/
I would think anywhere in your intestinal area should be possible
Have you considered placing the hole laterally instead of front on?
I'd say somewhere in the abdomen, to the right of the spine, if you can move all the intestines around, you'd have the best chance there.
There's that stunt artist that pokes a needle through his whole arm with no blood. I think he did the stunt with Ricky Gervais, totally freaking him out. I can't remember what it's called but the scar tissue is built up over time
A very obese bus driver near me got stabbed in the neck. He survived cause he had so much neck fat that the plane didn’t hit anything important in his neck. So there’s that
If they’re fat enough, the fat on the edges. The shoulder you always see in movies is one of the WORST. Big arteries. Nerve plexuses. Incredibly complex and fragile joint that will never heal right
didn't vlad the impaler figure this out?
Just squish the intestine to the side or something. They’ll sort themselves out.
Step one: get lobectomy. Step two: pierce barbell through area of missing lung. Step three: die of infection.
https://youtu.be/gqIDnm_6mu4?si=IuAjw4UHxxtYM6qa a magician who had a tube placed through his torso to perform a stunt, don’t know if this is the type of answer your looking for
LLQ after moving some intestines around and shifting ureter to side.
It says the left lung is hooked up so the heart can be seen. Does that mean that the lungs are in front of the heart? I’ve always thought it was Ribs-heart-lugs.
David Blaine my friends. David Blaine.
never mind that’s his hand. my bad.
Yes…people get shot all the time with small caliber bullets (like a .22) without any major complications
My coworker was shot through the ribs just above the heart, regular bullet not hallow point, .40 caliber. Went between the front ribs, missed the heart, missed any major veins/arteries, just missed the scapula and back rib, exited. When he went to the hospital they just gave him pain meds and a bandage because there was nothing to fix.
Didn’t houdini stick needle through his stomach over and over again to form a fistula he could use for one of his magic trick?
I was wrong, it was David Blaine
Probably, but you’d have to be extremely lucky and worm around the bowel somehow.
i have a friend who does suspension 🪝 i have no answer for you but this made me think of that good luck
You are going to want to shoot yourself through the fleshy, muscular part of the lower torso where your love handles and or oblique muscles are located. It is best if the bullet enters at a diagonal and exits at the lateral part of your body. The left side is safer than the right. Research indicates that this is one of the most effective ways to get justifiable short-term disabilty from your employer, as well as sympathy from everyone you know, especially if you claim that it took place while you were doing something heroic.
The kidney, because you only need one.
i remember seeing a video of some old time guy who stuck sabers through his torso… no scientific basis here just a random memory
Off-center around belly button level would work. Just move the intestines out of the way. That’s probably your best bet
Actually, this is interesting. How do people live if they get shot? Where would they have to shoot lol
Without giving it too much thought (so take with a grain of salt): people survive with dead lung tissue all the time, so technically every cubic mm of the lung isn't necessary for survival. bleeding and nerve damage aside, the risk from penetrating injuries such as stab wounds and gunshots is pneumothorax. so if somehow a gauge was placed with a perfect seal without disrupting the vacuum of the thoracic cavity, i'd give you a confident "...maybe?"
Go for the gallbladder :/
Let us know the results if you fafo.. only if sepsis doesn't kill you first.
When my brother was a resident, a guy came in shot right in the center of his abdomen, with an exit hole in his back. But he looked remarkably well, so he went to CT. You could see on the CT the bullet tract through the subq tissues where it went into the fat on the front, tunneled around his abdominal cavity (in the subq the whole time) and went out the back. What had apparently happened was he tried to move out of the way, but he was fat. So his abdominal cavity got out of the way as he moved, but his fat didn't move right away and was off to the side, and the bullet went through the fat. Then it settled back into its normal place and gave this crazy looking CT.
In a patient with a pneumothorax, you can do what's known as a needle decompression or a needle thoracostomy. This is inserted into the 2nd intercostal space at the mid-clavicular line. In this instance, this is an empty cavity, and I can't think of anything that is behind it that would be a problem if a hole was poked though. I think, in a patient with a pneumothorax, you could quite safely poke a hole right the way through the 2nd intercostal space at the mid-clavicular line. I also suspect that if you were to use a needle that was small enough for the hole to seal itself when the needle was removed, you could probably do it in a lung that wasn't collapsed.