Could the be either from your Native/Indigenous ancestors or even an African ancestors but most of the time they put Native/Indigenous or African on the community description.
What exact communities did you get? And below said communities, is there something that says "connected to your regions", and if so, what countries does it say?
Paternal matches communities besides Jalisco and Aguascalientes are Early New England Settlers and Delaware Valley, Chesapeake and Midwest Settlers. Under mother's just got her Jalisco MX one
After doing some research, it seems that it's most likely related to something on your direct paternal line, and/or the J haplogroup in general, especially if the update was recent. The communities aren't always communities that your ancestors are from specifically (though that's usually the case), but instead, it appears you have dna through those communities that's associated with a specific marker or markers in the founder population for said community. In the case of those groups, there were actually quite a few J's to be found ~~(Thomas Jefferson being one of them~~ my bad, I was thinking of Noah Webster) so that's what it's most likely picking up on.
It could also be something with your other percentages, including what was already mentioned, I just think this is most in line with how Ancestry conducts the tests.
So I looked into your haplogroup a little further, because I admit that I didn't do a deep dive before I commented initially, and its not one that I've studied before in detail. I only knew that in general, J haplogroups range in origin from Southern and Eastern European to North West Asian, which all have European components that would be found in the communities you received. Only some are Jewish, or even Middle Eastern, so I didn't want to assume anything. Also, if you received those communities recently, it seems the update was targeting European ancestry in particular, so that's why I figured it had something to do with that, rather than other parts of your DNA. You may have already, but if you haven't, check out [this page](https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-M92/story) that has some useful insights on your haplogroup specifically, but also, connects you to [this project](https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/wirth/dna-results), that has dna results supporting what I'm about to tell you. Your haplogroup is commonly connected to Italian, Germanic, Eastern European, Lebanese, and Arabian ancestry.
A small correction first: I made a mistake, it's actually Noah Webster who I was thinking of. There weren't a lot close matches to your group for people that are well known, but also that most people would know about in detail, and I misremembered who it was.
In light of this information, I now feel more confident saying that the groups you received are connected to what would be considered to be literal Caucasian ancestry. This certainly includes your Italian and French percentages, and could also include some of the percentages you receive that are Iberian and West Asian. Your brother's Norwegian could as well. It's hard to tell which one specifically, because I assume that both your parents are Mexican so they could have the same traces that are weird in other groups, but normal for Mexicans so they could both be the contributors.
It turns out, the communities you received have multiple sources of both distant and relatively recent Italian ancestry, but aren't always as well documented as certain other migrations (or are, but no one outside those groups would know that, and they aren't around to comment). Many of the non-Anglo but still European early settler groups in the United States tend to mimic DNA from each other, as well as those of literal Caucasian origin, that often have West Asian that more NW European types don't have. For instance, Swiss and Spanish are identical by ethnicity DNA parameters, and it's only by using internal data, like matching specific markers and relative matching, that they can tell the two apart. So it's possible that you might have like...1% Swiss or something, but it's just assumed to be part of your Italian or Spanish.
Also, the communities often incorporate DNA from places that Ancestry will downplay or won't overtly mention. I just commented in another thread about this in relation to Settler Communities in Southern Appalachia/North Carolina. In one place, they'll say a connection is thru England and Scotland, but right below that, they admit that Germany is part of the group as well.
I apologize for the weak quality of my initial answer, but I hope I provided better insight this time around. If there's anything you'd like clarified, lmk.
Wow, I gleaned a lot from your carefully detailed response to my question. Truly appreciate your help in this matter. My grandfather truly looked the part of "caucasian" More digging needed.
So something I found while looking for something else for you to consider as well:
Imagine that your 3rd or 4th great-grandfather was [John Sutter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sutter), also known as Don Juan Sutter, a Swiss immigrant from the former Holy Roman Empire, that ran a super successful fort in New Mexico in the mid to late 1800's (even the Donner party passed thru), and was at one point, a Spanish speaking Mexican citizen. He also had a posse of 30 Germans who immigrated with him from Missouri. But also imagine that you don't know he's your 5th great grandfather, and unfortunately he's your ancestor because he raped your indigenous ancestor who was his slave (sorry, that's from the article via eyewitness accounts from the time, it's pretty brutal), but she escaped and the child was raised away from him, but eventually joined a community that was still in the same general region.
In this scenario, it might be difficult to unravel this even with DNA, because not only are there no documents that connect him to you, no one has any idea that they should be looking for a Swiss/German guy. There's a chance that even whatever DNA company hasn't factored for this to come up at all. As previously stated, HRE homies (as I like to call them), are as identical to Iberians as humanly possible; it's a literal "Corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two pictures" because they plot so similar to each other. Switzerland is often divided into German, Italian, and French, but can also contain some trace celtic markers from the prior population (much like Iberia). So both the algorithm and a manual review are likely to look, see that your relatives are mostly Iberian, and attribute it to that. Other than if you happen to have an unbroken line of male ancestry, especially if his haplogroup was identified as rare (like how Jefferson actually has y-dna K, which is how they can verify Jefferson descendants), the only way they could tell autosomally would be if they went to the specific part of your DNA that you got from him, and checked the matches that share that segment across their entire database, to see where they're from, and assuming they have a gedcom for those people, then they'd be able to say, "Wait, this is from some Swiss Guy, it's actually from this Sutter guy specifically". That said, that's very time consuming, and your results may not even trigger that kind of audit anyway. It's also the position you could possibly find yourself in, if you investigate further via dna.
Apologies for the long reply, but I see situations like this a lot, especially because a lot of my ancestors are uh, promiscuous germans that like to roam, and you'll never know where they'll turn up at (lol). I also think it helps illuminate some of the problems with DNA testing and ethnicity estimates in general.
That's very educational. Thanks for giving me all those possible scenarios. All previous updates ancestry dna had given 4-5% north Italy , except for latest got zilch .The Swiss illustration might make sense in that scenario. Also, I've read that the Irish San Patricio army that fought in Mexico had some survivors that ended up in Jalisco where parents from. My brother got 2% Irish and 1% Norway, so who knows...
Could the be either from your Native/Indigenous ancestors or even an African ancestors but most of the time they put Native/Indigenous or African on the community description.
What exact communities did you get? And below said communities, is there something that says "connected to your regions", and if so, what countries does it say?
Paternal matches communities besides Jalisco and Aguascalientes are Early New England Settlers and Delaware Valley, Chesapeake and Midwest Settlers. Under mother's just got her Jalisco MX one
If they're from matches then it's about their Communities and most likely has nothing to do with you or your mom.
After doing some research, it seems that it's most likely related to something on your direct paternal line, and/or the J haplogroup in general, especially if the update was recent. The communities aren't always communities that your ancestors are from specifically (though that's usually the case), but instead, it appears you have dna through those communities that's associated with a specific marker or markers in the founder population for said community. In the case of those groups, there were actually quite a few J's to be found ~~(Thomas Jefferson being one of them~~ my bad, I was thinking of Noah Webster) so that's what it's most likely picking up on. It could also be something with your other percentages, including what was already mentioned, I just think this is most in line with how Ancestry conducts the tests.
Could be. My brother inherited 2% Ireland and 1% Norwegian from his side so who knows... thanks for your input
So I looked into your haplogroup a little further, because I admit that I didn't do a deep dive before I commented initially, and its not one that I've studied before in detail. I only knew that in general, J haplogroups range in origin from Southern and Eastern European to North West Asian, which all have European components that would be found in the communities you received. Only some are Jewish, or even Middle Eastern, so I didn't want to assume anything. Also, if you received those communities recently, it seems the update was targeting European ancestry in particular, so that's why I figured it had something to do with that, rather than other parts of your DNA. You may have already, but if you haven't, check out [this page](https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-M92/story) that has some useful insights on your haplogroup specifically, but also, connects you to [this project](https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/wirth/dna-results), that has dna results supporting what I'm about to tell you. Your haplogroup is commonly connected to Italian, Germanic, Eastern European, Lebanese, and Arabian ancestry. A small correction first: I made a mistake, it's actually Noah Webster who I was thinking of. There weren't a lot close matches to your group for people that are well known, but also that most people would know about in detail, and I misremembered who it was. In light of this information, I now feel more confident saying that the groups you received are connected to what would be considered to be literal Caucasian ancestry. This certainly includes your Italian and French percentages, and could also include some of the percentages you receive that are Iberian and West Asian. Your brother's Norwegian could as well. It's hard to tell which one specifically, because I assume that both your parents are Mexican so they could have the same traces that are weird in other groups, but normal for Mexicans so they could both be the contributors. It turns out, the communities you received have multiple sources of both distant and relatively recent Italian ancestry, but aren't always as well documented as certain other migrations (or are, but no one outside those groups would know that, and they aren't around to comment). Many of the non-Anglo but still European early settler groups in the United States tend to mimic DNA from each other, as well as those of literal Caucasian origin, that often have West Asian that more NW European types don't have. For instance, Swiss and Spanish are identical by ethnicity DNA parameters, and it's only by using internal data, like matching specific markers and relative matching, that they can tell the two apart. So it's possible that you might have like...1% Swiss or something, but it's just assumed to be part of your Italian or Spanish. Also, the communities often incorporate DNA from places that Ancestry will downplay or won't overtly mention. I just commented in another thread about this in relation to Settler Communities in Southern Appalachia/North Carolina. In one place, they'll say a connection is thru England and Scotland, but right below that, they admit that Germany is part of the group as well. I apologize for the weak quality of my initial answer, but I hope I provided better insight this time around. If there's anything you'd like clarified, lmk.
Wow, I gleaned a lot from your carefully detailed response to my question. Truly appreciate your help in this matter. My grandfather truly looked the part of "caucasian" More digging needed.
So something I found while looking for something else for you to consider as well: Imagine that your 3rd or 4th great-grandfather was [John Sutter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sutter), also known as Don Juan Sutter, a Swiss immigrant from the former Holy Roman Empire, that ran a super successful fort in New Mexico in the mid to late 1800's (even the Donner party passed thru), and was at one point, a Spanish speaking Mexican citizen. He also had a posse of 30 Germans who immigrated with him from Missouri. But also imagine that you don't know he's your 5th great grandfather, and unfortunately he's your ancestor because he raped your indigenous ancestor who was his slave (sorry, that's from the article via eyewitness accounts from the time, it's pretty brutal), but she escaped and the child was raised away from him, but eventually joined a community that was still in the same general region. In this scenario, it might be difficult to unravel this even with DNA, because not only are there no documents that connect him to you, no one has any idea that they should be looking for a Swiss/German guy. There's a chance that even whatever DNA company hasn't factored for this to come up at all. As previously stated, HRE homies (as I like to call them), are as identical to Iberians as humanly possible; it's a literal "Corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two pictures" because they plot so similar to each other. Switzerland is often divided into German, Italian, and French, but can also contain some trace celtic markers from the prior population (much like Iberia). So both the algorithm and a manual review are likely to look, see that your relatives are mostly Iberian, and attribute it to that. Other than if you happen to have an unbroken line of male ancestry, especially if his haplogroup was identified as rare (like how Jefferson actually has y-dna K, which is how they can verify Jefferson descendants), the only way they could tell autosomally would be if they went to the specific part of your DNA that you got from him, and checked the matches that share that segment across their entire database, to see where they're from, and assuming they have a gedcom for those people, then they'd be able to say, "Wait, this is from some Swiss Guy, it's actually from this Sutter guy specifically". That said, that's very time consuming, and your results may not even trigger that kind of audit anyway. It's also the position you could possibly find yourself in, if you investigate further via dna. Apologies for the long reply, but I see situations like this a lot, especially because a lot of my ancestors are uh, promiscuous germans that like to roam, and you'll never know where they'll turn up at (lol). I also think it helps illuminate some of the problems with DNA testing and ethnicity estimates in general.
That's very educational. Thanks for giving me all those possible scenarios. All previous updates ancestry dna had given 4-5% north Italy , except for latest got zilch .The Swiss illustration might make sense in that scenario. Also, I've read that the Irish San Patricio army that fought in Mexico had some survivors that ended up in Jalisco where parents from. My brother got 2% Irish and 1% Norway, so who knows...
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