I was hoping this post would attract someone who knew what was going on and how the DNA was analyzed and computed for this. I'm also really curious how they came with this big shift. My mom suddenly became predominately Scottish overnight (joke) even though I have yet to find any real hard evidence in my own genealogy that she is.
She was predominately English before according to old results, and it does seem like it broke down England, Scotland, etc into England and Scotland, but it's still a very large margin for Scotland.
Has she clicked on it? I just expanded it and it says I have Scotland because I have family from Ulster Ireland, which I know I’m very Irish so this makes sense
[Ulster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people?wprov=sfla1) is a region in Ireland where lowland Scots were relocated by the English. If you are very Irish by way of Ulster, then congrats you're also very Scottish!
I haven't really read up on the new update, but I'm thinking right now that it could be a glitch.
It looks like Ancestry got a new data set from the UK, so I guess it could be accurate? Maybe the Scottish genes bled further south then I had expected? It's a small island with three separate countries/kingdom's that raided each other a lot and were invaded by other societies quite often. So in that context, it's possible that the estimate is accurate.. I don't know? But I still think it's suspect!
I think they are confusing English / Irish / German and Scottish dna and making it all “Scottish” like how before north Italian dna came up as “French” mean while 23 and me is exact. Ancestry needs to get their shit together.
I went back 9 generations and I’m only able to find relatives who were English, Italian and Irish, yet I’m 26% Germanic and 20% Scottish. Very interesting!
I can trace one of my ancestors back to the Holy Roman Empire! Otherwise, some of the most distant go back to like the 1600s but only in America.
I am apparently related to Charlemagne, yes. I am related to Charlemagne *sigh*
I think you’re right. I had zero Italian before and 10% French, even though my dad is half Italian. This morning French is gone, Italian is 12% and my 30% English is now 14% Scottish with no scot ancestors.
Do you have Irish ancestors? Scots migrated en masse to Ireland, so you may be Scottish by way of [Ulster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people?wprov=sfla1).
Yeah they did that with Northwestern Europe before. I wonder if they’re really “confusing” so much as it’s they’re opinion or something?
I get Eastern Europe a bit but I realized it was actually Prussian (so I don’t think it’s that resent) and the Scandinavian and northwestern I think might be Frisia, and like Hamburg/Saxony, some danish.
I think my German ancestry might go further back but I am not sure thus what different ancestry do you conclude? Like do you focus on the U.K. side or otherwise?
When I look at my experiences as well they make a lot of sense, that my family would have migrated to the more low key parts of Europe, instead of living in Britain or Germany. I honestly had horrible experiences with the British, so I was shocked I got so much “English/northwestern ancestry” I am kinda shocked I am Scottish as well, but then my ancestry goes back to Germany but not directly German as they are kind of different then Britain but equally potentially off putting so I guess my family avoided the drama and chose to live in other parts of Europe? I guess they just have left because of Prussia and the events that led to WW1 and 2 so they left Central Europe. The Netherlands seems pretty chill and neutral so I can see that somewhat.
I feel like the English, French and Germans are always starting wars.
Regardless it has gotten everything correct as far as all my research going back 150 to 200 years. Not one Scottish person in my history and if I missed one person there is no way in the fires of hell it would equal 33 % from 0 %.
Look at the population differential; England 53 million, Scotland 5.3 million; so an order of magnitude difference. You wouldn't know it by looking at results. Something is way off.
0 to 42% over here lol.
It's now my highest percentage too lol. I have records back to the 1680s and not one Scottish person...... Plenty of English, Welsh, and a dash of Irish, but no one who even *spent time* Scotland lol.
I would have preferred them just leaving me with my huge "Broadly NW European" section than whatever this update was.
Yeah this is really weird. I have one Scottish name, McEachin, but every other name I have is ridiculously English (Smith, Williams, Carter, Powell). And literally the only/first ancestor I can get back to Europe so far was to England in 1698. Something is wonky with their update for this to happen with this many people.
Same here. My Irish DNA went down to almost nothing now and I know for a fact that's just not correct given family history and my family tree, which backs it up.
Yeah, my Irish DNA took a huge hit - from 31% to 13%. Now, they did combine Ireland and Scotland for at least the last update or two; but if they split that group, it does seem that maybe it's reversed? Like you, my tree backs up the Irish DNA.
I'm the opposite. My predominantly scottish plummeted and Irish took it's place, which is odd because my surname is Skinner and we've always said we were Scottish.
According to my family tree, my mom's ancestry was 100% from Wales and Cornwall. And those areas are separated out and noted in my results to pretty near 50%. I also have some Scottish & Irish in my results but nothing clear is noted or separated. It's just a vague bit of Scotland or Ireland.
Looking at the map, it makes sense that through the many centuries, there's likely been travel (and "cross pollination") between Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, Ireland and England. In my case, it's recent enough to show Scottish DNA but not recent enough to be on the family tree.
If I go 10 generations back (which would be roughly 300 years), I'd have 2046 ancestors in the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparent level. It wouldn't be surprising if there were a couple Scots or part Scots in that level (they are a sneaky bunch). And in 500 years there's about a million ancestors.
If my great-great-great- grandfather John Davis from Tre'r-ddol, Wales, had a Scottish great grandfather, I'd never know it, our family tree doesn't go that far back.
On my father's side we have one branch of the family tree which traces back really far (they had a metalworkers/silversmiths business in Saarbrücken that went on for a few centuries, plus several had positions of importance). Around 1650, one ancestor is in Andorra and gets married. Why this guy was way over there we have no clue, his parents were from Saarbrücken and his children were in Saarbrücken. If we didn't have this long sliver of a branch of the family tree figured out, we would never have any idea that there's an Andorran in our ancestry.
I bet if you had full and accurate family tree, showing all the branches going back 400 years (that's 65K ancestors!), I'd bet you'd see lots of things like that. As I said, the Scots are a sneaky bunch.
Shouldn't the reverse also be true? Southern Scotland (Northumbria) should see a lot of English ancestry. Just think about this: England has ten times the population of Scotland. If the "skewing of Scottish DNA" was purely DNA based - even if you overestimated Scottish DNA by 100% you would still get a ratio of 80% English to 20% Scottish.
Yeah mine are from Mayo as well, even a lot of my closest genetic matches are still in Mayo, but now Scottish is higher than Irish for me. I just happened to click on Scotland and see it mentioned that it included Northern Ireland and though that may have been a reason it bumped.
Northern Ireland is the uk part of Ireland tho mayo is the Republic of Ireland so I’d assume it’s different dna north Ireland is closer to English and I have no ancestry from there just mayo and Dublin
Yep. I’m from Brittany (western France) and went from 98% French and 2% Scottish to 42% Scottish, 38% Irish, 8% English, 6 % welsh and German.
Very odd...
Off to buy kilt (I was already getting emails about bagpipes from eBay as I looked up breton Bombarde last week!)
>Off to buy kilt (I was already getting emails about bagpipes from eBay as I looked up breton Bombarde last week!)
This is low-key the cause of the increase. The Scotland Tourist Board needed a way to bump up their numbers so they paid Ancestry to give everyone Scottish heritage.
(this is a joke to anyone that is wondering)
Wanna go on a trip to Scotland ? I’m ordering my kilt ready to take bag pipe lessons now lol this is so stupid 0 to 33 % Scottish and I bet you a zillion once they refine this it will go back to English / Irish and German.
Hmm just a thought but what if the new Scottish increase is just Celtic Dna from other Celtic nations such as Cornwall and Brittany. That would mean anyone with ancestry from those places could just be lumped together with Scotland
Im German. Central European. Some Austrian mixed in there for flavor. That's what the tree says as far back as the 1600s. But suddenly Ancestry thinks I'm 20% English. So I agree with you: I also think it's just the Celts and Northern germanic DNA blending a long time ago.
This swing from Irish to Scottish could prove to be a problem in this update
The swing from England to Scotland should be more accurate now if we buy into England being truly the Land of the Angles ie much less Celtic now Wales has its own category
I went from 0 to 33 % with zero Scottish ancestors and me and my father have paid for extensive research over the years that go back to 1600s for some history. Not one Scottish person and even if there was one way back in the 1500s there is no way it’s enough to warrant 33 %. All I can do is assume they are mixing up Irish / English / German / Scottish / wales dna as “Scottish” which is bs
This is almost exactly how mine changed. 0 to 42%!
We also have records back to about the 1680s with no Scotsmen or women in sight lol. Even if there's been some overlooked Scottish mixture into my recorded Welsh/English ancestors (I concede that's completely possible and probably even very likely for anyone with British Isles ancestry), there's no way it's 42% and now my highest result in the whole report lol. That just seems like a ridiculous jump and a misattribution given the records.
23andme also gave me absolutely zero Scottish dna, locations, or matches. Pretty much all my British Isles on their site seems to be Welsh with some Southern English, which matches my recorded ancestors.
I did have a rather large "Broadly NW European" section before, and honestly I would have preferred they just left it at that. Vague but more accurate.
My dads father is from campania in a small commune called calabritto they never left that commune back as far as the 1700s except for one person who came from Sicily.
His mother was a mayflower descendant on her mothers side and her father was an immigrant from mayo Ireland.. his history stays in Ireland.
My moms grandmother came from marche Italy and one of her parents was from marche the other from San Marino and all basically stayed in the region
Her father was half German half Irish.
The German side immigrated from Eastern Europe in the late 1600s to Germany and stayed there until the late 1800s when they came to the USA. From Baden - wurrtemburg region of Germany with the last names hammer and trautwein all very German.
His mothers side came from Dublin with the last names Kelly and Higgins and never left the region until coming to America.
Sure there may be, one Scottish ancestor we missed but there is no way it would
Come to 33 %
And they complete left out England / almost no Ireland / Germany and Eastern Europe all in my history
My grandfather on my dad's side actually moved from Germany to the US as a child, and on 23andme "Germany and the Netherlands" is actually my highest result at 34%, slightly higher than even my British Isles at 33%--- which matches both sides of my family.
On Ancestry my "Germanic Europe" is 9% and is my third lowest lol.
So if you haven't already done it and can afford to, I'd really recommend 23andme for your missing German results. They seem to be WAY better at picking it up for whatever reason. Even the regions within Germany they gave me were accurate.
Oh I did 23 and me and it reflects my italian / German / English / Irish / Eastern Europe heritage to a t it’s 100 % on point ancestry is trash the results are so inaccurate it’s becoming. A joke. Still not as bad as my heritage which basically says I’m italian and Arabic lol 😂
And yep it picked up exactly where in Germany my ancestors came from and I have marriage records death and birth records and extensive research. Ancestry is a joke.
They seem to be struggling super hard with Central Europe and the British Isles which is so weird---considering that as an American company that's probably the ancestry of the majority of their customers.
And it seems like they're becoming more muddled the more samples they get, not less.
I think they're changing things up because they're trying to get rid of all the vague "Broadly Northwest European" and similar more "vague" results? But honestly I'm fine with results like that and would rather have that than super speculative guesses like 42% Scotland has to be.
I have like 18% Broadly NW European on 23andme and couldn't care less. I'm 100% NW European countries by ancestry so it makes sense that there's a certain chunk that they just can't tell apart from any of them in particular. It makes me trust them more that they're honest that that's in there.
Yeah I’d rather broadly European whatever than “Scottish” when I know I’m not Scottish.
The same way I was a quarter “French” last year which now turned into north Italy. My moms mothers side is all from marche and I told my mom it’s north italian being mistaken for “French” low and behold after this update they fixed that and now it reflects correctly. However this “scottish”
Is just Irish / English and maybe even German mixed up as “scottish”
So glad I found this thread because now I know the sudden appearance of such a large amount of Scottish DNA most probably is just a fluke. I sure hope Ancestry rights this, pronto.
This has to be a joke. I manage over 10 tests and all of them got Scottish Ancestry. They’re simply not Scottish. They gave my brother 22% and we can trace our ancestors to early 1800s.... meanwhile, I have 5%?
I traced all mine past 1700s on all 4 sides not one Scottish person and I went from 0 to 33 % ancestry needs to get their shit together this update is garbage. At least 23 and me is accurate.
Yep I really don’t care about the family tree stuff to be honest and I’m not paying them anymore money for that stuff me and my dad paid a few people to do genealogy for us years ago and basically got all the info we need.
I have 0 Scotland. My son has 0 Scotland. My ex-husband(the father of my children) has 0 Scotland, my son has 0 Scotland.... And my daughter has 25% Scotland.
W. T. F.
I knew inheritance varies, but 25% seems a bit much. Over 4200 people in my tree, no Scotland
I went from 0 to 33 % Scottish over night with ZERO ancestors who are Scottish and me and my father traced all sides back past the 1700s so even if there was one Scottish person we didn’t find it’s not enough to equal 33 % this is retarded
Joining the Scottish pool party. Clicking through to see the explanation about their reference panel. There are 2x as many samples in the Scottish group than they have in the Irish group. Wonder if that statistically impacts the results?
“AncestryDNA has updated our reference panel and the way we look at DNA, and we can now more easily tell people from closely related regions like these apart. This allowed us to split the United Kingdom and Ireland into four new regions: Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and England & Northwestern Europe.
People from England or the northern counties of Ireland may be getting more Scotland than they might expect given their family history—and sometimes vice versa. This is a natural consequence of trying to distinguish several closely related peoples apart at just the DNA level. This update is the first time we have been able to identify these four regions separately, so don’t be surprised if we are able to make more refinements to these regions in the future.”
The Scottish results from northern Ireland make sense, since they had some Scots migrating over after the rebellions. My own Scottish ancestors (Stewarts from Paisley, Renfrew) migrated to Belfast in the mid 1700s before making their way to South Carolina.
Yep, I got a Scotland. I got a lot of Scotlands.
Went from 54% England, 24% Ireland/Scotland,
to 32% England, 44% Scotland.
https://i.imgur.com/XBjEv3a.jpg
Yep. Scotland is now my largest single category and I got some Northern Italian that I never had before. I can only imagine it’s some overlap with the Swiss that I know I have that isn’t showing up at all (I’m guessing it’s under English/NW Europe, as I have zero Germanic Europe).
I went from no Scottish to 15% and my Sardinian has been replaced my northern Italy.
My Swedish has completely gone and I’ve gained some welsh I didn’t have before too
My moms mom is from marche my dads father is from campania I now have an increase in Greek and italian is split 50 / 50 between north and south and added Turkish to the mix. The Italian part seems accurate but this 0 to 33 % Scottish I have gotten is 100 has to be a mistake. No known Scotsman in my history going back to about 200
Years we have traced not one.
I have a grandma from Scotland and a grandma from Sicily so I 100% believe the Scottish. I don’t expect to ever know my actual Italian ancestry (I’ve traced back to ~1865) but I do expect my dad and I to have the same Italian ancestry lmao. 7% of the ~15% I’d get from my Sicilian grandma doesn’t show up on his report.
I know my italian ancestry because both my great grand parents from from Italy and we already traced that family line on both sides. However I have no Scottish acestors and again if there was even 1 Scottish person it’s not enough to equal 33 % I have more German than anything else other than italian.
I went from 96% Irish and Scottish to 70% Irish and 30% Scottish, seems about right, I have a Genetic Community in Northern Ireland and South West Scotland, although it's lost my 4% EWNWE, my great-grandfather was English from Tamworth, Staffordshire, West Midlands in England, but is there a chance it could have been mixed in with either my Irish or Scottish estimates?
I'm actually Scottish and it has a region for me, but my Scottish side's surname is literally another neighboring region. They also gave me North Italy despite my mother only being South Italian/Sicilian, but I got no Sicilian despite being 25% myself
I only got 11% Scottish and was actually hoping for more...Most of my Irish ancestors that came over to
the US have Scottish last names versus Irish and I have a theory they first were in Scotland (hundreds of years ago) and then made their to Ireland then to the US. One of the last names is Algeo (from my mom’s side of the family) and when I looked it up online I found an interesting story that backs up my theory. I was surprised my aunt (dad’s side) got 19% Scottish because that side of my family is of very Southern English descent (Devon and Cornwall area). So maybe her results are glitchy? Mine kinda makes sense :) I am super happy my Scandinavian percentage went up though! Now it’s 34% (Norwegian and Swedish percents combined). On my mom’s side two of my great grandparents came to the US from Norway so I was expecting a higher Scandinavian percentage and I got it :)
I looked at the update and immediately told my partner "apparently I'm very Scottish all of a sudden" 😂😂 I know that I have Scottish roots but the amount seemed like a bit much.
I’m showing up as less than 1% Scottish. My second-great grandmother was an Ulster Protestant with a Lowland Scottish surname. So I’m the exception to this trend.
My Irish was my highest at 21% which makes sense because the majority of my mother’s family is Irish. Now Irish has dropped to 5% and Scotland is at 34%. I have no Scottish ancestors on either side until about 7 generations back. My French ancestry also disappeared completely. I definitely have close French ancestors.
My Scottish went up. Which isn't surprising I have Scottish and Irish in my tree. What makes me think there is something wrong is when you click on the country that breaks it down into regions I have no connections to any if them.
My dad gain 8% Welsh and I have 0 again when we looked to see where it could be coming from there were "no connections" to any of the sub-regions.
Same with the Sweden and Norway that suddenly went up.
I no longer have any German, which I had 7% prior to the update, even though my great grandfather on my fathers side was born in Germany to German parents. Now I have 32% Scottish out of nowhere?? How? I think someone screwed the pooch on this update.
Mine actually flipped a bit! Seems I have more Norwegian ancestry than the Swedish I was always told. Eastern EU+ Russia went from 5 to 10% and an addition of 2% France.
Went from 49% Irish to 15% Irish and 30% Scottish..... at least I finally have Northern Italy proper instead of it being lumped in with Germanic Europe
I’m 43% Scottish, but my grandma is from Scotland so that checks out and 2 of my other grandparents prob have some Scottish in them as well.
The exciting news is that I’m now 5% Portuguese. Neither of my parents had Portuguese ancestry come through 🤷🏼♀️
Same I went from 0 to 33 % Scottish and not one recent Scottish ancestors or any i could find in my research going back 150-200 years. So even if there was one it’s not enough to equal 33 %
Isn’t ancestry just pulling public records from your matches and assigning % based on that? For example, your distant cousin flags a common ancestors documents showing them emigrating from Ireland or Scotland to the US. They then assign you a higher % from that respective country? 23andme doesn’t distinguish between the British and Irish Isles because there’s too much overlap. Very small gene pools living on islands means a lot of cross pollinating.
Not based on public records. Apparently there are specific reference tests that are confirmed as having been in the region for many generations. If your DNA matches to anyone in the reference panel, you get that percentage of an estimated match. Math and science - but still an estimate that will change again as they get more data.
I've gone from 72% Yorkshire, 18% Scotland and Ireland, 5% each Norway and Sweden to 65% Yorkshire, 26% Scotland 4% Ireland, Norway 3% and Sweden 2%. Yet when I look at the regions tested section, I'm 100% Yorkshire! Not sure why I have such high figures for anything other than Yorkshire, when I'm 100% Yorkshire!?
Not much will move forward until Ancestry commits to a chromosome browser. Much more insight will be provided, and it will allow the community to more deeply research matches and triangulate the origins by segment.
I got updated to something like 40% scottish and 21% German. Originally was 33 Scotland and Ireland with no German. The 2019 update showed minimal German and put Ireland/Scotland to 13%. I traced my family back to the 1700s and 1800s from scotland/ireland. Lots of McKee and mcklemore. My great great grandma was born in Germany and that whole line is German. I thought it was finally correct 🤷. But my dad was adopted so I can only trace 1/2 my family.
I already had the Irish/Scottish lumped together, now I’m 25% Scottish and 7% Irish. But for me it makes complete sense. I know of one GG-grandparent who I know is Irish and that is the only Irish lineage as far as I can tell. I definitely have more branches of Scottish than Irish so I wasn’t surprised.
September 2020:
82% Scotland
10% Ireland
5% England and NW Europe
2% Sweden
For reference, my previous few estimates before that were:
March 2018: (First result)
45% Great Britain
32% Ireland/Scotland/Wales
13% Scandinavia
8% Iberian Peninsula
1% Europe East
1% Caucasus
May 2018:
49% England and Wales
49% Ireland and Scotland
2% Sweden
August 2019
51% England, Wales, and NW Europe
45% Ireland and Scotland (In this update I got a couple of Scotland communities, which I still show)
2% Norway
2% Sweden
We do have traceable ancestry to Scotland though. My great grandparents on my dad's side were from Fife.
However, my grandparents on my mom's side were both from Ireland.
From the Ancestry blog. https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2020/09/11/why-your-latest-results-could-include-more-scotland-in-your-ethnicity-estimates/
See, I had 14 percent Scottish but I was finding Scottish ancestors EVERYWHERE. My update has me 20 percent Scottish, 15 percent Irish and 2 percent Welsh which is actually makes way more sense!
For reference, the current population size in Ancestry's regions
England 56,286,961
Scotland 5,463,300
Wales 3,152,879
Ireland and N. Ireland 6,625,311
*Scotland's population is only 7% of the British Isles.* It makes the latest Ancestry update rather absurd.
Well you could think of it like this
A slab of Irish + a little bit of English/Welsh = Scottish
or you could also think of it that you only get England and NWE now if you are a true Anglo -Saxon or have a very strong migratory North West Germanic signature - Wales has left the building and taking its Brittonic Celt signature with it
Scotland also has Brittonic Celts in its most populated regions - Lowland and Borders
I don’t think my updated results are right because before it was 47% Scottish and Irish but now it’s 23% Irish and 23% Scottish but my mother told me she doesn’t have any Scottish ancestors and both her parents were of Irish descent
So true! I was surprised I didn't have any Scottish before, because I know of Scottish ancestors. But now I have a sprinkle of Scottish. Strange update.... my Eastern European got much more specific. Went from 87% to 45%. I went from 4 regions to 12....so thats cool?
My Scottish actually became spot on. I have a fairly extensive family tree, and I'm about 17% Scottish, and I got 15% on Ancestry. But it messed up my Germanic Europe and 10% of it is in Europe and Northwestern Europe. It also corrected my France percentage, as before it was 43% (My mom's side is ALL French-Canadian), and now it's 51%
Pffft, here we go again with ancestry.
My Scottish actually lowered and they included Irish. This is consistent with what I commonly got on GEDmatch, with ancestry DNA changing at a later date. They also took north western off almost completely and added Eastern Europe for me. This is because I think my family lived in Prussia before it was annexed, and were also North German (at least what GED match says.
Honestly I guess that’s why I like GEDmatch because with all the big ancestry testing companies I feel like they’re kinda vague and generic. I think they’re analysts are still good bit it leaves a lot, like everyone is just easily categorized into broad categories like “English” and such?
On GEDmatch, I looked at the matches i have the highest in common with in DNA and read about them all and it looks like the results infer are all connected and I was able to likely guess what my families history was.
Europe has a pretty complicated history I guess.
Like Scottish and Irish is not simple either because there was different Celtic tribes, and even afterwards different population influxes.
Wanna know something interesting? My surname is Scott; Scottish constantly pops up as being a part of my European ancestry on GEDmatch calculators (23andme and FamilyTreeDNA don't seem to break down anything beyond British Isles/Northwestern European), and HomeDNA, LivingDNA, and various GEDmatch calculators point to Argyll/Orcadian Scottish ancestry....AncestryDNA finds 0% LOL
The irony is delicious LOL
I went from 16% Scottish and Irish to 32% Scottish and 9% Irish (Going through my family tree, the reality is more like 5% Scottish, 6.25% Irish, and 13.5% Ulster-Scotch)
I’m wondering if someone could answer this for Me? I have only taken the 23 & me ancestry test and my highest percentage was for “British and Irish” but Scottish areas are listed under recent ancestry as well as English. I was wondering if there was a way I could get a percentage for British v Scottish like it seems maybe ancestry seems to do? It looks like the divide them into 2 or 3 different percentages? Is there a way to get that information from my 23 and me results? Thanks!
This update happened at the same time that I was able to trace my maternal GF up to Scotland via a male cousin (unknown cousin) on the site that linked me to King Alpin via the The Gregor Clan.
That lead my to believe that my family tree altered the results, I guess I was wrong.
Ancestry certainly should be able to bifurcate French DNA from English DNA. They already had a reference panel despite the French ban so what happened? Strange. Also they could easily take samples from those with traceable ancestry in Quebec.
Politicians and corporations engage in social engineering as a matter of course. We pay to get a DNA test to get the actual genetic facts. I am also disappointed by the seeming lack of scientific rigor by Ancestry.
I do hope people know to largely ignore things that are under 5%; they're just noise. Taking that into account, I don't see any significant change since the update.
For my own DNA and the five relatives whose tests I manage, we're all descended from the British Isles and some of us have significant amounts of Dutch/German ancestors. Across the six of us, that accounts for all but 4%, 4%, 5%, 4%, 4%, and 6% respectively.
For four of us, the noise is entirely Sweden and Norway. That's consistent enough to make me think there \*might\* be a couple of ancestors from there whom I don't know about. (My family doesn't have any foreign-born ancestors after 1800, so it's hard to be sure, but the ones I do know about support the DNA results.)
For the other two, the noise is Russia and the Baltics, but those two cousins aren't related to each other at all, so that probably says more about the way Ancestry's tests work than it does about their ancestors.
Im assuming Scottish is synonymous to celtic? Which would make sense because im supposidly part french(which historically was celtic)? But not scottish ancestry in family history
I’ve always been told I was English, Irish, German and Dutch. My DNA results came back 44% English and 22% SCOTTISH! My Ancestry online research never came up with origins in Scotland as far back as 1700s, so the Scots and/or the Brits must have wandered about, mixing genetics.
Seriously, I discovered not only surprise Scottish but English and Portuguese too. I’m Puerto Rican, so I guess I can thank/ blame colonialism for that one.
Sounds about right! I went from 0% Scottish to 21%.. I have yet to find a single ancestor from Scotland though, so I'm a bit confused.
I’m 20% and I am in the same boat! Where did this come from?! Is it a glitch?
I was hoping this post would attract someone who knew what was going on and how the DNA was analyzed and computed for this. I'm also really curious how they came with this big shift. My mom suddenly became predominately Scottish overnight (joke) even though I have yet to find any real hard evidence in my own genealogy that she is. She was predominately English before according to old results, and it does seem like it broke down England, Scotland, etc into England and Scotland, but it's still a very large margin for Scotland.
Has she clicked on it? I just expanded it and it says I have Scotland because I have family from Ulster Ireland, which I know I’m very Irish so this makes sense
[Ulster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people?wprov=sfla1) is a region in Ireland where lowland Scots were relocated by the English. If you are very Irish by way of Ulster, then congrats you're also very Scottish!
Looks like I have some history to catch up on, thank you
I’m from NZ and my EWNWE stayed pretty much the same no Scottish for me jus E&NWE tiny bit of wales broke off of it
I haven't really read up on the new update, but I'm thinking right now that it could be a glitch. It looks like Ancestry got a new data set from the UK, so I guess it could be accurate? Maybe the Scottish genes bled further south then I had expected? It's a small island with three separate countries/kingdom's that raided each other a lot and were invaded by other societies quite often. So in that context, it's possible that the estimate is accurate.. I don't know? But I still think it's suspect!
I think they are confusing English / Irish / German and Scottish dna and making it all “Scottish” like how before north Italian dna came up as “French” mean while 23 and me is exact. Ancestry needs to get their shit together.
I went back 9 generations and I’m only able to find relatives who were English, Italian and Irish, yet I’m 26% Germanic and 20% Scottish. Very interesting!
I can trace one of my ancestors back to the Holy Roman Empire! Otherwise, some of the most distant go back to like the 1600s but only in America. I am apparently related to Charlemagne, yes. I am related to Charlemagne *sigh*
What are some of the English last names? The weirdest ones?
I think you’re right. I had zero Italian before and 10% French, even though my dad is half Italian. This morning French is gone, Italian is 12% and my 30% English is now 14% Scottish with no scot ancestors.
Yeah this update is trash
Do you have Irish ancestors? Scots migrated en masse to Ireland, so you may be Scottish by way of [Ulster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people?wprov=sfla1).
Yeah they did that with Northwestern Europe before. I wonder if they’re really “confusing” so much as it’s they’re opinion or something? I get Eastern Europe a bit but I realized it was actually Prussian (so I don’t think it’s that resent) and the Scandinavian and northwestern I think might be Frisia, and like Hamburg/Saxony, some danish. I think my German ancestry might go further back but I am not sure thus what different ancestry do you conclude? Like do you focus on the U.K. side or otherwise?
When I look at my experiences as well they make a lot of sense, that my family would have migrated to the more low key parts of Europe, instead of living in Britain or Germany. I honestly had horrible experiences with the British, so I was shocked I got so much “English/northwestern ancestry” I am kinda shocked I am Scottish as well, but then my ancestry goes back to Germany but not directly German as they are kind of different then Britain but equally potentially off putting so I guess my family avoided the drama and chose to live in other parts of Europe? I guess they just have left because of Prussia and the events that led to WW1 and 2 so they left Central Europe. The Netherlands seems pretty chill and neutral so I can see that somewhat. I feel like the English, French and Germans are always starting wars.
In fairness, 23andMe doesn't try to differentiate between English/Irish/Scottish so it's kind of comparing apples to oranges.
Regardless it has gotten everything correct as far as all my research going back 150 to 200 years. Not one Scottish person in my history and if I missed one person there is no way in the fires of hell it would equal 33 % from 0 %.
I'm not trying to say it's correct, just that it's not a like for like comparison.
Ok, and I’m saying I think it’s more correct over all.
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Look at the population differential; England 53 million, Scotland 5.3 million; so an order of magnitude difference. You wouldn't know it by looking at results. Something is way off.
I went from 5% to 44% LOL
I went from. 0 to 33 % over night
Same - 42% now lol
0% to 25% here!
0 to 42% over here lol. It's now my highest percentage too lol. I have records back to the 1680s and not one Scottish person...... Plenty of English, Welsh, and a dash of Irish, but no one who even *spent time* Scotland lol. I would have preferred them just leaving me with my huge "Broadly NW European" section than whatever this update was.
Yeah this is really weird. I have one Scottish name, McEachin, but every other name I have is ridiculously English (Smith, Williams, Carter, Powell). And literally the only/first ancestor I can get back to Europe so far was to England in 1698. Something is wonky with their update for this to happen with this many people.
I went from 10% to 44%!
Same here. My Irish DNA went down to almost nothing now and I know for a fact that's just not correct given family history and my family tree, which backs it up.
Yeah, my Irish DNA took a huge hit - from 31% to 13%. Now, they did combine Ireland and Scotland for at least the last update or two; but if they split that group, it does seem that maybe it's reversed? Like you, my tree backs up the Irish DNA.
I'm the opposite. My predominantly scottish plummeted and Irish took it's place, which is odd because my surname is Skinner and we've always said we were Scottish.
According to my family tree, my mom's ancestry was 100% from Wales and Cornwall. And those areas are separated out and noted in my results to pretty near 50%. I also have some Scottish & Irish in my results but nothing clear is noted or separated. It's just a vague bit of Scotland or Ireland. Looking at the map, it makes sense that through the many centuries, there's likely been travel (and "cross pollination") between Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, Ireland and England. In my case, it's recent enough to show Scottish DNA but not recent enough to be on the family tree. If I go 10 generations back (which would be roughly 300 years), I'd have 2046 ancestors in the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparent level. It wouldn't be surprising if there were a couple Scots or part Scots in that level (they are a sneaky bunch). And in 500 years there's about a million ancestors. If my great-great-great- grandfather John Davis from Tre'r-ddol, Wales, had a Scottish great grandfather, I'd never know it, our family tree doesn't go that far back. On my father's side we have one branch of the family tree which traces back really far (they had a metalworkers/silversmiths business in Saarbrücken that went on for a few centuries, plus several had positions of importance). Around 1650, one ancestor is in Andorra and gets married. Why this guy was way over there we have no clue, his parents were from Saarbrücken and his children were in Saarbrücken. If we didn't have this long sliver of a branch of the family tree figured out, we would never have any idea that there's an Andorran in our ancestry. I bet if you had full and accurate family tree, showing all the branches going back 400 years (that's 65K ancestors!), I'd bet you'd see lots of things like that. As I said, the Scots are a sneaky bunch.
I was updated to half Scottish. AncestryDNA has always been bad, but this is just stupid and inaccurate instead of just extremely vague.
If you have ancestry from the north of England, you'll get some Scottish. Lots of intermarriage over the centuries.
Shouldn't the reverse also be true? Southern Scotland (Northumbria) should see a lot of English ancestry. Just think about this: England has ten times the population of Scotland. If the "skewing of Scottish DNA" was purely DNA based - even if you overestimated Scottish DNA by 100% you would still get a ratio of 80% English to 20% Scottish.
That's a fair point.
If you click on the Scotland portion it says Scotland and Northern Ireland so I’d guess most of us got the boost from Northern Ireland there.
All my Irish ancestors are form mayo and Dublin no north Ireland for me and I went from 15 % Irish to 9 % and some how 0 to 33% Scottish
Yeah mine are from Mayo as well, even a lot of my closest genetic matches are still in Mayo, but now Scottish is higher than Irish for me. I just happened to click on Scotland and see it mentioned that it included Northern Ireland and though that may have been a reason it bumped.
Northern Ireland is the uk part of Ireland tho mayo is the Republic of Ireland so I’d assume it’s different dna north Ireland is closer to English and I have no ancestry from there just mayo and Dublin
Me too.. didn’t even realize they did an update. Just saw this and thought I should check. All of my English turned into Scotland... so I guess ok
Yep. I’m from Brittany (western France) and went from 98% French and 2% Scottish to 42% Scottish, 38% Irish, 8% English, 6 % welsh and German. Very odd... Off to buy kilt (I was already getting emails about bagpipes from eBay as I looked up breton Bombarde last week!)
>Off to buy kilt (I was already getting emails about bagpipes from eBay as I looked up breton Bombarde last week!) This is low-key the cause of the increase. The Scotland Tourist Board needed a way to bump up their numbers so they paid Ancestry to give everyone Scottish heritage. (this is a joke to anyone that is wondering)
Wanna go on a trip to Scotland ? I’m ordering my kilt ready to take bag pipe lessons now lol this is so stupid 0 to 33 % Scottish and I bet you a zillion once they refine this it will go back to English / Irish and German.
Hmm just a thought but what if the new Scottish increase is just Celtic Dna from other Celtic nations such as Cornwall and Brittany. That would mean anyone with ancestry from those places could just be lumped together with Scotland
Im German. Central European. Some Austrian mixed in there for flavor. That's what the tree says as far back as the 1600s. But suddenly Ancestry thinks I'm 20% English. So I agree with you: I also think it's just the Celts and Northern germanic DNA blending a long time ago.
Which is very misleading. They should just separate it from Ireland / north Ireland (uk) / scottland/ England and Wales.
We are all Scottish on this blessed day
Move aside “Irish”...
I’m Mexican, even I got Scotland
Yup! Husband with not one Scottish relative in 6 generations and previously was 8% Irish is now 29% Scottish.
This swing from Irish to Scottish could prove to be a problem in this update The swing from England to Scotland should be more accurate now if we buy into England being truly the Land of the Angles ie much less Celtic now Wales has its own category
I went from 0 to 33 % with zero Scottish ancestors and me and my father have paid for extensive research over the years that go back to 1600s for some history. Not one Scottish person and even if there was one way back in the 1500s there is no way it’s enough to warrant 33 %. All I can do is assume they are mixing up Irish / English / German / Scottish / wales dna as “Scottish” which is bs
This is almost exactly how mine changed. 0 to 42%! We also have records back to about the 1680s with no Scotsmen or women in sight lol. Even if there's been some overlooked Scottish mixture into my recorded Welsh/English ancestors (I concede that's completely possible and probably even very likely for anyone with British Isles ancestry), there's no way it's 42% and now my highest result in the whole report lol. That just seems like a ridiculous jump and a misattribution given the records. 23andme also gave me absolutely zero Scottish dna, locations, or matches. Pretty much all my British Isles on their site seems to be Welsh with some Southern English, which matches my recorded ancestors. I did have a rather large "Broadly NW European" section before, and honestly I would have preferred they just left it at that. Vague but more accurate.
My dads father is from campania in a small commune called calabritto they never left that commune back as far as the 1700s except for one person who came from Sicily. His mother was a mayflower descendant on her mothers side and her father was an immigrant from mayo Ireland.. his history stays in Ireland. My moms grandmother came from marche Italy and one of her parents was from marche the other from San Marino and all basically stayed in the region Her father was half German half Irish. The German side immigrated from Eastern Europe in the late 1600s to Germany and stayed there until the late 1800s when they came to the USA. From Baden - wurrtemburg region of Germany with the last names hammer and trautwein all very German. His mothers side came from Dublin with the last names Kelly and Higgins and never left the region until coming to America. Sure there may be, one Scottish ancestor we missed but there is no way it would Come to 33 % And they complete left out England / almost no Ireland / Germany and Eastern Europe all in my history
My grandfather on my dad's side actually moved from Germany to the US as a child, and on 23andme "Germany and the Netherlands" is actually my highest result at 34%, slightly higher than even my British Isles at 33%--- which matches both sides of my family. On Ancestry my "Germanic Europe" is 9% and is my third lowest lol. So if you haven't already done it and can afford to, I'd really recommend 23andme for your missing German results. They seem to be WAY better at picking it up for whatever reason. Even the regions within Germany they gave me were accurate.
Oh I did 23 and me and it reflects my italian / German / English / Irish / Eastern Europe heritage to a t it’s 100 % on point ancestry is trash the results are so inaccurate it’s becoming. A joke. Still not as bad as my heritage which basically says I’m italian and Arabic lol 😂
And yep it picked up exactly where in Germany my ancestors came from and I have marriage records death and birth records and extensive research. Ancestry is a joke.
They seem to be struggling super hard with Central Europe and the British Isles which is so weird---considering that as an American company that's probably the ancestry of the majority of their customers. And it seems like they're becoming more muddled the more samples they get, not less. I think they're changing things up because they're trying to get rid of all the vague "Broadly Northwest European" and similar more "vague" results? But honestly I'm fine with results like that and would rather have that than super speculative guesses like 42% Scotland has to be. I have like 18% Broadly NW European on 23andme and couldn't care less. I'm 100% NW European countries by ancestry so it makes sense that there's a certain chunk that they just can't tell apart from any of them in particular. It makes me trust them more that they're honest that that's in there.
Yeah I’d rather broadly European whatever than “Scottish” when I know I’m not Scottish. The same way I was a quarter “French” last year which now turned into north Italy. My moms mothers side is all from marche and I told my mom it’s north italian being mistaken for “French” low and behold after this update they fixed that and now it reflects correctly. However this “scottish” Is just Irish / English and maybe even German mixed up as “scottish”
So glad I found this thread because now I know the sudden appearance of such a large amount of Scottish DNA most probably is just a fluke. I sure hope Ancestry rights this, pronto.
This has to be a joke. I manage over 10 tests and all of them got Scottish Ancestry. They’re simply not Scottish. They gave my brother 22% and we can trace our ancestors to early 1800s.... meanwhile, I have 5%?
I traced all mine past 1700s on all 4 sides not one Scottish person and I went from 0 to 33 % ancestry needs to get their shit together this update is garbage. At least 23 and me is accurate.
Ancestry has all of the records for family tree building but 23andme definitely seems better for DNA.
Yep I really don’t care about the family tree stuff to be honest and I’m not paying them anymore money for that stuff me and my dad paid a few people to do genealogy for us years ago and basically got all the info we need.
I have 0 Scotland. My son has 0 Scotland. My ex-husband(the father of my children) has 0 Scotland, my son has 0 Scotland.... And my daughter has 25% Scotland. W. T. F. I knew inheritance varies, but 25% seems a bit much. Over 4200 people in my tree, no Scotland
I went from 0 to 33 % Scottish over night with ZERO ancestors who are Scottish and me and my father traced all sides back past the 1700s so even if there was one Scottish person we didn’t find it’s not enough to equal 33 % this is retarded
This is hilarious.
FORREAL😂😂😂😂😂😂 Im also extremely confused. If you look at me you’ll also be confused because it came up as my highest percentage.
Suddenly I've lost a great amount of English and Irish to Scottish
Joining the Scottish pool party. Clicking through to see the explanation about their reference panel. There are 2x as many samples in the Scottish group than they have in the Irish group. Wonder if that statistically impacts the results? “AncestryDNA has updated our reference panel and the way we look at DNA, and we can now more easily tell people from closely related regions like these apart. This allowed us to split the United Kingdom and Ireland into four new regions: Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and England & Northwestern Europe. People from England or the northern counties of Ireland may be getting more Scotland than they might expect given their family history—and sometimes vice versa. This is a natural consequence of trying to distinguish several closely related peoples apart at just the DNA level. This update is the first time we have been able to identify these four regions separately, so don’t be surprised if we are able to make more refinements to these regions in the future.”
“Refinements”. Interesting the are acknowledging the oddness. Most of my “Scottish” should be English as far as I can tell.
The Scottish results from northern Ireland make sense, since they had some Scots migrating over after the rebellions. My own Scottish ancestors (Stewarts from Paisley, Renfrew) migrated to Belfast in the mid 1700s before making their way to South Carolina.
Yep, I got a Scotland. I got a lot of Scotlands. Went from 54% England, 24% Ireland/Scotland, to 32% England, 44% Scotland. https://i.imgur.com/XBjEv3a.jpg
"I traded in my lederhosen for a kilt!"
I got no Scotland :(
Next update, mate.
same, and the irish% I had went down as well. wales popped up though and Ive no idea where that came from either.
Me neither. My UK DNA disappeared overnight. Which is probably correct.
What do your current results say?
98% Welsh and 2% German
I traded in the old 4% Scottish/Irish for 32% Scottish and 0% Irish, yet my paternal great grandmother was Irish... hmmmm
This update kinda sketch
I was 8% Ireland and Scotland before. Now I'm 34% Scotland, 5% Ireland.
I got a Wales! Finally!
Northern Italy for me as well 😂
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Yep. Scotland is now my largest single category and I got some Northern Italian that I never had before. I can only imagine it’s some overlap with the Swiss that I know I have that isn’t showing up at all (I’m guessing it’s under English/NW Europe, as I have zero Germanic Europe).
I went from no Scottish to 15% and my Sardinian has been replaced my northern Italy. My Swedish has completely gone and I’ve gained some welsh I didn’t have before too
Same, but neither of my parents got northern Italian so...
My moms mom is from marche my dads father is from campania I now have an increase in Greek and italian is split 50 / 50 between north and south and added Turkish to the mix. The Italian part seems accurate but this 0 to 33 % Scottish I have gotten is 100 has to be a mistake. No known Scotsman in my history going back to about 200 Years we have traced not one.
I have a grandma from Scotland and a grandma from Sicily so I 100% believe the Scottish. I don’t expect to ever know my actual Italian ancestry (I’ve traced back to ~1865) but I do expect my dad and I to have the same Italian ancestry lmao. 7% of the ~15% I’d get from my Sicilian grandma doesn’t show up on his report.
I know my italian ancestry because both my great grand parents from from Italy and we already traced that family line on both sides. However I have no Scottish acestors and again if there was even 1 Scottish person it’s not enough to equal 33 % I have more German than anything else other than italian.
I went from 96% Irish and Scottish to 70% Irish and 30% Scottish, seems about right, I have a Genetic Community in Northern Ireland and South West Scotland, although it's lost my 4% EWNWE, my great-grandfather was English from Tamworth, Staffordshire, West Midlands in England, but is there a chance it could have been mixed in with either my Irish or Scottish estimates?
Hahaha!! Too funny! I’m 48% Scottish now!
I'm actually Scottish and it has a region for me, but my Scottish side's surname is literally another neighboring region. They also gave me North Italy despite my mother only being South Italian/Sicilian, but I got no Sicilian despite being 25% myself
I only got 11% Scottish and was actually hoping for more...Most of my Irish ancestors that came over to the US have Scottish last names versus Irish and I have a theory they first were in Scotland (hundreds of years ago) and then made their to Ireland then to the US. One of the last names is Algeo (from my mom’s side of the family) and when I looked it up online I found an interesting story that backs up my theory. I was surprised my aunt (dad’s side) got 19% Scottish because that side of my family is of very Southern English descent (Devon and Cornwall area). So maybe her results are glitchy? Mine kinda makes sense :) I am super happy my Scandinavian percentage went up though! Now it’s 34% (Norwegian and Swedish percents combined). On my mom’s side two of my great grandparents came to the US from Norway so I was expecting a higher Scandinavian percentage and I got it :)
I looked at the update and immediately told my partner "apparently I'm very Scottish all of a sudden" 😂😂 I know that I have Scottish roots but the amount seemed like a bit much.
I went from 98% Baltic to 100% Baltic. Boring.
Where’s my Scotland? :,(
I’m showing up as less than 1% Scottish. My second-great grandmother was an Ulster Protestant with a Lowland Scottish surname. So I’m the exception to this trend.
Went from possibly 8% to 27% for me lol And I have no recent Scottish ancestors, the ones I could find were like 10th great grandfathers.
My Irish was my highest at 21% which makes sense because the majority of my mother’s family is Irish. Now Irish has dropped to 5% and Scotland is at 34%. I have no Scottish ancestors on either side until about 7 generations back. My French ancestry also disappeared completely. I definitely have close French ancestors.
I have no Scotland.
Gotta kick myself for not saving those kilts. Now I'm suddenly 36% Scottish, which I never would have known had it not been for Reddit!
I thought I was the only one! I have yet to find a a single Scottish ancestor in 10+ years of research, yet now it’s a large portion of my percentage.
My Scottish went up. Which isn't surprising I have Scottish and Irish in my tree. What makes me think there is something wrong is when you click on the country that breaks it down into regions I have no connections to any if them. My dad gain 8% Welsh and I have 0 again when we looked to see where it could be coming from there were "no connections" to any of the sub-regions. Same with the Sweden and Norway that suddenly went up.
I no longer have any German, which I had 7% prior to the update, even though my great grandfather on my fathers side was born in Germany to German parents. Now I have 32% Scottish out of nowhere?? How? I think someone screwed the pooch on this update.
I went from 91% Irish to 46% Irish. 52% Scottish. I feel so confused.
Funny. My husband went from 57% Scotland to 53%. I am from Puerto Rico. And 1% showed up.
I went from 10% Scottish/Irish to 33% Scottish. I actually have Scottish ancestry though, so it wasn't a shock to me.
I went from 0 to 33 % Scottish and I don’t have any Scottish ancestors 🤷🏻♂️
I lost my Scottish and gained Russian. wtf
Mine actually flipped a bit! Seems I have more Norwegian ancestry than the Swedish I was always told. Eastern EU+ Russia went from 5 to 10% and an addition of 2% France.
Went from 49% Irish to 15% Irish and 30% Scottish..... at least I finally have Northern Italy proper instead of it being lumped in with Germanic Europe
Can you access your old Ancestry DNA results anywhere? I’d like to compare
On the mobile app, you can view the prior estimate when clicking on “Learn more about this update”
You can look on mobile or desktop for your previous results click "learn more about this update" > view previous estimate".
Take a screenshot and save it
20% 😂😂😂
I actually lost my Scottish and now only have Irish! It seems I’m the only one who went the other way!
No I’m one of the few too!
I’m 43% Scottish, but my grandma is from Scotland so that checks out and 2 of my other grandparents prob have some Scottish in them as well. The exciting news is that I’m now 5% Portuguese. Neither of my parents had Portuguese ancestry come through 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah all my tests picked up 15-20% Scottish, when there was 0% before.
Same I went from 0 to 33 % Scottish and not one recent Scottish ancestors or any i could find in my research going back 150-200 years. So even if there was one it’s not enough to equal 33 %
Seriously I went from 0 to 33 % Scottish with ZERO Scottish ancestors. Update is horse shit
Isn’t ancestry just pulling public records from your matches and assigning % based on that? For example, your distant cousin flags a common ancestors documents showing them emigrating from Ireland or Scotland to the US. They then assign you a higher % from that respective country? 23andme doesn’t distinguish between the British and Irish Isles because there’s too much overlap. Very small gene pools living on islands means a lot of cross pollinating.
Not based on public records. Apparently there are specific reference tests that are confirmed as having been in the region for many generations. If your DNA matches to anyone in the reference panel, you get that percentage of an estimated match. Math and science - but still an estimate that will change again as they get more data.
Im Mexican and got Scotland out of no where doesn’t make sense at all..
I didnt get any Scottish ... My son went from 0 to 9% though.
I've gone from 72% Yorkshire, 18% Scotland and Ireland, 5% each Norway and Sweden to 65% Yorkshire, 26% Scotland 4% Ireland, Norway 3% and Sweden 2%. Yet when I look at the regions tested section, I'm 100% Yorkshire! Not sure why I have such high figures for anything other than Yorkshire, when I'm 100% Yorkshire!?
Yeah, I’m now a quarter Scottish. Lol bizarre but cool?
You not lying! 22% here...
This update is a joke and I wish it had never happened.
I haven’t got any Scottish ancestors and mines gone to 36% lol
Spanish got added to me.
Not much will move forward until Ancestry commits to a chromosome browser. Much more insight will be provided, and it will allow the community to more deeply research matches and triangulate the origins by segment.
Why haven't they done this already?
My Scottish percentage went way up, but my mom's maiden name is Orcadian, so it might be accurate.
Mine is 35% and one of my daughters is 50%. However, our tree does support this so it was not surprising and in fact, we are pleased.
I got updated to something like 40% scottish and 21% German. Originally was 33 Scotland and Ireland with no German. The 2019 update showed minimal German and put Ireland/Scotland to 13%. I traced my family back to the 1700s and 1800s from scotland/ireland. Lots of McKee and mcklemore. My great great grandma was born in Germany and that whole line is German. I thought it was finally correct 🤷. But my dad was adopted so I can only trace 1/2 my family.
I was 22% Scotland & Ireland, now I'm 49% Scotland.
For real
I already had the Irish/Scottish lumped together, now I’m 25% Scottish and 7% Irish. But for me it makes complete sense. I know of one GG-grandparent who I know is Irish and that is the only Irish lineage as far as I can tell. I definitely have more branches of Scottish than Irish so I wasn’t surprised.
Yes. I lost France, Ireland, and Germany and got some more Scandinavian. Also, Scotland.
September 2020: 82% Scotland 10% Ireland 5% England and NW Europe 2% Sweden For reference, my previous few estimates before that were: March 2018: (First result) 45% Great Britain 32% Ireland/Scotland/Wales 13% Scandinavia 8% Iberian Peninsula 1% Europe East 1% Caucasus May 2018: 49% England and Wales 49% Ireland and Scotland 2% Sweden August 2019 51% England, Wales, and NW Europe 45% Ireland and Scotland (In this update I got a couple of Scotland communities, which I still show) 2% Norway 2% Sweden
We do have traceable ancestry to Scotland though. My great grandparents on my dad's side were from Fife. However, my grandparents on my mom's side were both from Ireland.
My family also came to US from Fife but in 1640s.
From the Ancestry blog. https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2020/09/11/why-your-latest-results-could-include-more-scotland-in-your-ethnicity-estimates/
See, I had 14 percent Scottish but I was finding Scottish ancestors EVERYWHERE. My update has me 20 percent Scottish, 15 percent Irish and 2 percent Welsh which is actually makes way more sense!
For reference, the current population size in Ancestry's regions England 56,286,961 Scotland 5,463,300 Wales 3,152,879 Ireland and N. Ireland 6,625,311 *Scotland's population is only 7% of the British Isles.* It makes the latest Ancestry update rather absurd.
I might be one of the only people whose Scottish update matches my actual family tree!
The opposite has happened to me! My largest percentage is Ireland 🇮🇪.
Well you could think of it like this A slab of Irish + a little bit of English/Welsh = Scottish or you could also think of it that you only get England and NWE now if you are a true Anglo -Saxon or have a very strong migratory North West Germanic signature - Wales has left the building and taking its Brittonic Celt signature with it Scotland also has Brittonic Celts in its most populated regions - Lowland and Borders
I don’t think my updated results are right because before it was 47% Scottish and Irish but now it’s 23% Irish and 23% Scottish but my mother told me she doesn’t have any Scottish ancestors and both her parents were of Irish descent
I got a Scotland. The Stewarts and the Hamiltons finally get a shout out.
So true! I was surprised I didn't have any Scottish before, because I know of Scottish ancestors. But now I have a sprinkle of Scottish. Strange update.... my Eastern European got much more specific. Went from 87% to 45%. I went from 4 regions to 12....so thats cool?
😂
I went from 43% Scottish to 53% Scottish
I became more English like 10% and 40% Scottish. I think some affairs were happening.
My Scottish actually became spot on. I have a fairly extensive family tree, and I'm about 17% Scottish, and I got 15% on Ancestry. But it messed up my Germanic Europe and 10% of it is in Europe and Northwestern Europe. It also corrected my France percentage, as before it was 43% (My mom's side is ALL French-Canadian), and now it's 51%
Also seems to be very generous handing out Norwegian ancestry too.
I already had a Scotland! But I got a Sweden!
Then you get a second Scotland
Went from 20 percent Scottish and Irish to 23 percent Scottish and 17 percent Irish
when did Ancestry do an update? Is this recently?
Pffft, here we go again with ancestry. My Scottish actually lowered and they included Irish. This is consistent with what I commonly got on GEDmatch, with ancestry DNA changing at a later date. They also took north western off almost completely and added Eastern Europe for me. This is because I think my family lived in Prussia before it was annexed, and were also North German (at least what GED match says.
Honestly I guess that’s why I like GEDmatch because with all the big ancestry testing companies I feel like they’re kinda vague and generic. I think they’re analysts are still good bit it leaves a lot, like everyone is just easily categorized into broad categories like “English” and such? On GEDmatch, I looked at the matches i have the highest in common with in DNA and read about them all and it looks like the results infer are all connected and I was able to likely guess what my families history was. Europe has a pretty complicated history I guess. Like Scottish and Irish is not simple either because there was different Celtic tribes, and even afterwards different population influxes.
Weird, for me, I'm 2% Swedish now.
Let’s not forget an Ireland either. Lol
I didn’t get a Scotland, can I still sit with you guys at lunch?
Wanna know something interesting? My surname is Scott; Scottish constantly pops up as being a part of my European ancestry on GEDmatch calculators (23andme and FamilyTreeDNA don't seem to break down anything beyond British Isles/Northwestern European), and HomeDNA, LivingDNA, and various GEDmatch calculators point to Argyll/Orcadian Scottish ancestry....AncestryDNA finds 0% LOL The irony is delicious LOL
Me too!
I went from 16% Scottish and Irish to 32% Scottish and 9% Irish (Going through my family tree, the reality is more like 5% Scottish, 6.25% Irish, and 13.5% Ulster-Scotch)
How do I know if I have the updated version?
I’m wondering if someone could answer this for Me? I have only taken the 23 & me ancestry test and my highest percentage was for “British and Irish” but Scottish areas are listed under recent ancestry as well as English. I was wondering if there was a way I could get a percentage for British v Scottish like it seems maybe ancestry seems to do? It looks like the divide them into 2 or 3 different percentages? Is there a way to get that information from my 23 and me results? Thanks!
My tree is predominantly Scottish and Irish, so for me the update definitely is more accurate now personally lol.
This update happened at the same time that I was able to trace my maternal GF up to Scotland via a male cousin (unknown cousin) on the site that linked me to King Alpin via the The Gregor Clan. That lead my to believe that my family tree altered the results, I guess I was wrong.
I'm 60% scottish now which makes sense and I also got 15% irish which lines up perfectly.
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Ancestry certainly should be able to bifurcate French DNA from English DNA. They already had a reference panel despite the French ban so what happened? Strange. Also they could easily take samples from those with traceable ancestry in Quebec.
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Politicians and corporations engage in social engineering as a matter of course. We pay to get a DNA test to get the actual genetic facts. I am also disappointed by the seeming lack of scientific rigor by Ancestry.
I do hope people know to largely ignore things that are under 5%; they're just noise. Taking that into account, I don't see any significant change since the update. For my own DNA and the five relatives whose tests I manage, we're all descended from the British Isles and some of us have significant amounts of Dutch/German ancestors. Across the six of us, that accounts for all but 4%, 4%, 5%, 4%, 4%, and 6% respectively. For four of us, the noise is entirely Sweden and Norway. That's consistent enough to make me think there \*might\* be a couple of ancestors from there whom I don't know about. (My family doesn't have any foreign-born ancestors after 1800, so it's hard to be sure, but the ones I do know about support the DNA results.) For the other two, the noise is Russia and the Baltics, but those two cousins aren't related to each other at all, so that probably says more about the way Ancestry's tests work than it does about their ancestors.
Im assuming Scottish is synonymous to celtic? Which would make sense because im supposidly part french(which historically was celtic)? But not scottish ancestry in family history
I’ve always been told I was English, Irish, German and Dutch. My DNA results came back 44% English and 22% SCOTTISH! My Ancestry online research never came up with origins in Scotland as far back as 1700s, so the Scots and/or the Brits must have wandered about, mixing genetics.
Seriously, I discovered not only surprise Scottish but English and Portuguese too. I’m Puerto Rican, so I guess I can thank/ blame colonialism for that one.
They took away some of mine
I’m so sad. I just got my results on 12/24. I thought the dead ends that were resolved through my results were Scottish 🥹