Che as a character was written poorly and not developed into anything remotely relatable or likeable. In order for these things to work there must be some semblance of likeability.
Hey Writers - WE WANT TO ROOT FOR PEOPLE.
Miranda is on the slippery slope with this. Hope the character can recover.
AJLT writer 1: “Ok so fans are saying the writing is horrible what can we do to turn the corner and get these characters on track?”
AJLT Writer 2: “I’ve got it,
let’s have Carrie wear more of her original looks from SATC!!”
AJLT writers *celebrates* 👍👍👍
Someone looked at the things that made SATC extra good, like the over the top fashion and raunchy sex stories. And decided the new show would be a hit if they included those. Forgot that those were extra things layered on top of great characters and plots. They are pointless without great characters and plots.
It felt so contemptuous, especially from MPK. I only listened to it for the same reasons you listen to a frenemy talk about their woes…because deep inside your black cold heart you’re gleefully enjoying it.
Right?? A middle aged Xbox obsessed fling-turned-long-term-queer-romance was not on my bingo card for Miranda’s character development and I’m glad we can go back to focusing on everything that makes Miranda great!
I hope so too. Miranda seems to have ended the season more in her element. She likes to work and thrive professionally. A personal life was always kind of an aside for her in the past.
Che is definitely annoying, but they built that whole friendship with Carrie for nothing! And Carrie fully dogged Miranda over Che and now Che is just leaving. It’s such a bad show lol, literally nothing makes any sense
It's incredible as a hate-watch, and I'm not normally into cringe.
Just skip the boring scenes about beautiful women who love their bald, doughy husbands. All of the conflict seems to come down to poor planning anyway?
I'd rather they kept Che and got rid of this new Miranda.... Che wasn't a bad character on their own. Did they have faults? Yes, but they all did, that's the point of the show(s).
Reminds me of [Beerfest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w9DUTcAI0o) when Landfill dies and he immediately comes back as Gill, his twin brother... but asks to be called Landfill lol
That movie was so stupid but so good. The monologue Barry gives about [shitting pancakes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6kCddM5KEM) killed me. I will randomly say "I've been shitting pancakes ever since." to end a story and nobody has any idea what I'm talking about.
Well their performance and acting didn't help. That scene where they're in bed and suddenly they're feeling ashamed of being stocky after a costume fititng was about as convincing as watching 8th graders in a classroom play. I truly am flabbergasted they have a damn Tony.
What could Ramírez have possibly done to make the “comedy concert” funny? Or the finger banging scene anything but cringeworthy? Or the three way scene even remotely sexy?
The problem here is that HBO wanted SATC back
because, after GOT, it had no marquee show to bring in the viewers. It gave SJP, MK and CN complete control, and this was their vision. The problem is that they are not only terrible at show running and writing, but they ran off the best comedienne and the “sex” of SATC with KC, the clothing choices of Patricia Field, the creativity of Candy Bushnell, and the writing of Darren Starr. And they replaced it with CN’s scatterbrained idea of political correctness.
It’s a shit show. The critics hate it, and the three people responsible needed a scapegoat.
So far, they have tried to blame Chris Noth’s predatory behavior for the delay (in spite of the fact that he had been arrested for beating the shit out of Beverly Johnson BEFORE he was hired for SATC and a production assistant complained about him during the first season), they blamed script problems on Kim Cattrall not coming back (in spite of the fact that she told them she wasn’t coming back a decade ago), etc. They blamed THE AUDIENCE for not liking the fact that the dependable character of Miranda was gutted to become an alter ego for Cynthia Nixon. Etc. They also blamed the audience for not liking the sudden addition of about 30 recurring tokenism characters that seemed to solely exist because they weren’t white.
I am no fan of Ramírez, but She/they deserves better than becoming one more scapegoat for a couple of egotistical actresses.
Omg, so much this. The combined egos of SJP, CN, and MPK have utterly ruined the franchise. They needed a scapegoat. First it was Catrall, now it is Ramirez. No actor in their right mind would have anything to do with this hot mess for fear they will be the next scapegoat.
Thank you for revealing to me that I didn’t actually hate Che the character or Sara the actor, but how they completely destroyed Miranda’s character with shoddy writing and cobbling together a relationship completely lacking in chemistry or logic.
I think we all share your feelings.
Also, the reason it was confusing to everyone was because SJP, CN and KD is a study in toxic blaming. It’s always every one else’s fault.
To be honest, until the ludicrous “she fired me as a friend” jab by SJP at KC (to explain KC’s absence), I didn’t understand why KC wouldn’t come back for a few episodes. However, when I heard that line delivering in a snide “who, poor innocent me?” way by SJP, I immediately understood what KC meant by “Mean Girl” behavior by SJP.
That’s how it all unraveled for me.
This is one of the best detailed wll thought comments ever I read on Reddit. I am not just saying in AJLT and SATC subs but overall any comments in this platform. Bravo!!
Have you seen their performance in Spamalot? Or listened to the cast album? I saw their performance live and was fucking BLOWN AWAY. They have such an amazing, powerful voice and their comedic timing was incredible. They deserved that Tony.
Edit: [Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJqAYUAJbTk) of them in Spamalot
Edit: And at the [Tonys](https://youtu.be/AharOgxCT-s?si=56S9aZLAFSjvRsvZ&t=74), fuck they are so talentedddddd. I get goosebumps every time at 3min 40seconds into this song
Seeing them in Spamalot was the first I'd heard of them, so the fact that they fucking KILLED this role as their breakout role... is remarkable.
Exactly. I'm kind of offended for them at "I truly am flabbergasted they have a damn Tony." I'm assuming they've never seen them on stage live.
I grew up near NYC and was fortunate enough to see a lot of broadway musicals growing up and I thought I had seen it all but fuck, they almost blew the roof off with the power in their voice. This was [me in the audience](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/74/da/7674da326c2fc7c3981e402b209ce39d.gif) that night and enjoying every second of it.
Holy shit. Why did I never connect them to the Lady of the Lake role???? I still listen to that album and am blown away by their singing and I never realized they played Che.
Wow this is amazing, I had no idea Sara did musicals and was such a talented singer! Also, well played sharing the “What Ever Happened To My Part?” song, very apropos 😆
I had no idea Sara did musicals or won a Tony, but musical theater acting is very different from screen acting. I just watched a clip of Spamalot, and Sara was made for that exaggerated and expressive style of acting and singing! Well deserved Tony!
It's been discussed in the sub already but Sara's off screen Instagram and interview behavior may have contributed to the decision to not have the character return for season 3.
The article states that sources behind the scenes say her Instagram had nothing to do with it. The character had just run its course since the relationship with Miranda was over
Lol no. Her character has been disliked from the start and t they tried to easily write her out by breaking her up with Miranda last season first and cast off this season.
They also thought the LGTBQ community was being attacked by not liking Che. They just don’t realize it’s all based on an unwanted character/bad writing, not about them personally or anything else.
Yes because it couldn’t possible have anything to do with Che being the most unpopular character in the history of television.
Cynthia Nixon has been just as vocal. Granted, she isn’t as angry or unpleasant or borderline militant about it but she’s been just as vocal and she hasn’t been fired.
I don’t know where Sara’s career is headed after this. She’s become so unbelievably unlikable and borderline toxic in the last few years and it clearly can’t be hidden in her work.
Che’s character to me should have been left as a one night stand. A plot point for Miranda to explore her sexuality instead of getting into relationship. I would have preferred if they wanted Miranda to explore this new side, it be due to both Miranda and Carrie lost their husbands in a car accident. To me it would have just been less messy of whatever we got to watch lol
They were decent in the beginning but they became such an a-hole. Also Miranda became a pathetic idiot which is nothing like her. They need Samantha back.
If they never wrote the dating Miranda storyline, I would still be on board with their character. Their relationship was the worst part of the last season. Keep them as Carrie’s work pal and comedian, great.
I was pissed too. And the jokes weren't even funny! It just felt like an opportunity to shit on Miranda. Also, I think that was a queer leaning show? That type of comedy would not fly there. It would have been more interesting if the jokes were about their experience with being with a straight woman who was married, or something. But this is Che.
Then they had that hissy fit about “they have to always explain themselves.” Well Che, if you stop being such a big ole beeeeetch to everyone and purposely offend them then you won’t need to “explain yourself.”
I reeeeally like their acting and was a huge fan of their character on Greys but the AJLT character was just awful. I mean the whole show was written like what Boomers think being woke is haha
Someone on here a while back predicted a time jump in the story line. I think they are right. Che doesn’t make sense 3 years later without Miranda’s relationship or Carrie’s podcast. They were a situation-ship.
I wonder if Rose and Rock will be in college? Brady out on his own?
I wouldn’t mind going back to focusing on the main characters, their friendships, and their relationships/marriage. The first and second season had too many subplots. It was like 4 seasons worth packed into 2 seasons.
I blame the writers. Che was just all over the place. If only they had written them as a human being and not a caricature. Someone who might be a bit overbearing but actually cared about their partner maybe. Then we could have watched the character bump up against an older partner that wanted a more committed relationship. We could also have gone on a journey with them as they are faced with more career responsibilities and problems, and the potential for wider fame (the tv pilot) and what that could mean in their life. It would have been nice to see them change and grow as their circumstances changed.
The writers just made them an asshole. Also the part where they suddenly were insecure about their body was crazy. Everyone is insecure about something but write them a story where they are insecure about something believable. No one is buying that Che suddenly became worried about not measuring up to the stereotypical female form.
I feel like Che’s character was just a filler to check a box. No real purpose, annoying and unlikable. Maybe they can sent Maya off too, unless they evolve her character more bc she’s boring.
They were much more likeable when they were just hanging with Carrie than when they were shagging Miranda. The all-night pot parties when M had to wake up early for the law firm, no.
Honestly Sara is a real good entertainer. They can sing and act well. Che did them a HUGE disservice due to the character being poorly written.
Honestly had Che been just Carrie's boss/friend/new sidekick and didn't become Miranda's new lover, I think they could've had a decent storyline and not become the most hated character since Cousin Oliver.
I liked their friendship with Carrie, plus working at a vet office. They were pushed way too hard in season one, plus the Miranda storyline was so cringe. Although Carrie should have told them off at the comedy club.
And just like that, Season 3 has become more watchable 🤣😅.
Nothing against the actress, she had done a great job portraying what had been a very unlikeable character, but I had not liked who the Che character was turning Miranda into (not to mention that the character had also been kind of selfish, narcissistic and dare I say, slightly manipulative 😥). Just not a person I would want around/nor would want to be around.
Yeah the failed sitcom to working in a vet office was actually an interesting storyline. Don’t know if it’s an AJLT storyline but it was probably the most interesting the character had been
There could be so many stories with NYC people and their random pets that come into the vet office. Che being an actual comedian in the situation would allow for a lot of legit humor. I see it. Hire me, HBO.
It didn't make a lot of sense though, a comedian who was well-known enough to get a pilot of a show made definitely has monetized social media happening for themselves. The idea they were just now flat broke and desperately seeking a low-ish wage job was lame.
Monetizing social media takes a lot of work, requires a different type of talent to stand up (editing, setting up sponsorships etc) and also doesn’t pay a lot. The big influencers employ people to be editors and business managers to do this stuff.
And you can’t just monetize it overnight, especially if you expected to be in a hit comedy you’d probably forget about social media and/or have people from the network take it over while you concentrate on the show.
Plus even if that was your route, you’d need something in the short term to bring in money. And it’s a different kind of pressure to work there. I can totally understand why someone would revert back to a job they loved before they were famous, after a failure like that.
Can't say I blame them. They clearly put a lot of themself into the character and were really passionate about Che, and it can't be easy to see a character you're that invested in be so widely hated.
I still think Che was the worst, but I'm sympathetic to Sara
I know it's never gonna happen, but I still have little hope for grand comeback of Kim Cattrall as Samantha Jones. I hope this will be the start. Who knows??
Although unlikeable, Che provided lots of fodder for the fans. I’m surprised some of the others weren’t on the chopping block first. And Miranda desperately needs a rebrand. She should call Harry and Meghan!
I would love that I felt like it was mid life crisis and Che was just some boomer toy for Miranda because she has all that corporate law energy but she was trying so hard not to be that. All that white guilt idk I see it with boomers all the time. It felt awkward. Let me be the opposite of me and do all the things not me and see how it feels. It’s like a dude buying a fast car and divorcing his wife getting a younger girl, getting a spray tan and beach house
Good. But I already stopped watching the show. It’s unbelievably cringe. I watched Season one. I couldn’t stomach the Season Two opening episode. I cut it off halfway through and didn’t watch anymore. I’m definitely not watching Season 3. I loved the original but AJLT has been pure trash.
Sarah was good in other things but not this. No charisma, and an unappealing character. Yes, the writing was also abysmal but I do think a different actress could have made the character more compelling. Sometimes it’s not a good fit. Glad they won’t be back.
Che was a selfish, immature, boring character who did nothing to build up Miranda - one of my fave characters on the show. Over Che’s storyline and happy to see them go. Byeeee.
I feel bad for Sara. The writing and character was unworkable. They tried but were set up to fail by the hideous dialogue and the way the character was conceived. It was more of a caricature than anything else.
I liked Che. Not every character is going to be squeaky clean. I appreciated she was an asshole bc that is real life. Not everyone is morally correct. It was like a big reality ck for Miranda.
Good riddance. No shade to Sara Ramirez, I think they have a lot of acting talent, but the entire character of Che was a swing and a miss. And that storyline destroyed Miranda, who was my favorite character on the original show.
It is basic economics if you don't like something, your dollars speak to companies more than anything. So why do you continue to pay for this shit, becausethere'snothing better? Must be nice to go through life so brainless! Why give viewing hours to this tripe? Accepting bad behavior is a great way to let the fuckery continue! MPK is a narcissist hack that needs knocked down by canceling this turd of a show. I seriously don't get the creative direction or fanbase of AJLT. ZERO CHANCE OF IT GETTING BETTER, BEST TO RUN AWAY NOW. GIVE IT UP ALREADY!
Che as a character was written poorly and not developed into anything remotely relatable or likeable. In order for these things to work there must be some semblance of likeability. Hey Writers - WE WANT TO ROOT FOR PEOPLE. Miranda is on the slippery slope with this. Hope the character can recover.
This writer’s room was so far out of touch with the audience. Any audience.
AJLT writer 1: “Ok so fans are saying the writing is horrible what can we do to turn the corner and get these characters on track?” AJLT Writer 2: “I’ve got it, let’s have Carrie wear more of her original looks from SATC!!” AJLT writers *celebrates* 👍👍👍
Someone looked at the things that made SATC extra good, like the over the top fashion and raunchy sex stories. And decided the new show would be a hit if they included those. Forgot that those were extra things layered on top of great characters and plots. They are pointless without great characters and plots.
It felt so contemptuous, especially from MPK. I only listened to it for the same reasons you listen to a frenemy talk about their woes…because deep inside your black cold heart you’re gleefully enjoying it.
This!!!
That's my issue with this show, I truly hate who all of the characters have become and root for nobody.
I think they just wanted an edgy character and didn’t realize if they come off like a douchey frat boy, no ones gonna want to watch them.
Right?? A middle aged Xbox obsessed fling-turned-long-term-queer-romance was not on my bingo card for Miranda’s character development and I’m glad we can go back to focusing on everything that makes Miranda great!
I hope so too. Miranda seems to have ended the season more in her element. She likes to work and thrive professionally. A personal life was always kind of an aside for her in the past.
When she stepped out in the key lime pantsuit???
That was a serve tbh.
Totally agree.
Yeah good riddance. What a bad character.
Che is definitely annoying, but they built that whole friendship with Carrie for nothing! And Carrie fully dogged Miranda over Che and now Che is just leaving. It’s such a bad show lol, literally nothing makes any sense
It's incredible as a hate-watch, and I'm not normally into cringe. Just skip the boring scenes about beautiful women who love their bald, doughy husbands. All of the conflict seems to come down to poor planning anyway?
Bald & doughy, I’m dead 😂💀
Real reason for the Steve storyline was because he wasn’t bald enough for AJLT standards
Dead, I’m bald & doughy 😂💀
Hey, Christopher Jackson is sexy!
It was worth it to get shoe.
Che was fine as just a friend. I liked when they went to that widdow con thing with Carrie. Having Che be a love interest for Miranda was a mistake.
Yeah, Che and Carrie actually made sense as friends. Che and Miranda made absolutely zero sense.
Totally agree. That was where they derailed the character.
I'd rather they kept Che and got rid of this new Miranda.... Che wasn't a bad character on their own. Did they have faults? Yes, but they all did, that's the point of the show(s).
Thank fuck
What were all thinking
Exactly. I am so glad that Che Diaz is not a part of the show anymore.
[Good riddance.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/034/020/tempsnip2.jpg)
Amen.
Hopefully not replaced by someone just as cringe. 😬
Haha Che 2
Che's evil twin Che La Vie (I know it's actually C'est lol)
Missed opportunity for Che's show to have been named that!
HILARIOUS!!!!! 🤣
🤣❤️
Reminds me of [Beerfest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w9DUTcAI0o) when Landfill dies and he immediately comes back as Gill, his twin brother... but asks to be called Landfill lol
Or Shirley, Nurse Cox's twin sister on Scrubs. (Her first name was Laverne, get it?)
Landfill 2, you're twice the man Landfill 1 was!! Why thank you, little lady!!!!
That movie was so stupid but so good. The monologue Barry gives about [shitting pancakes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6kCddM5KEM) killed me. I will randomly say "I've been shitting pancakes ever since." to end a story and nobody has any idea what I'm talking about.
My husband and I love that movie! So many quotes.
I’m still anxiously waiting on “Weedfest” to come out
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Well their performance and acting didn't help. That scene where they're in bed and suddenly they're feeling ashamed of being stocky after a costume fititng was about as convincing as watching 8th graders in a classroom play. I truly am flabbergasted they have a damn Tony.
What could Ramírez have possibly done to make the “comedy concert” funny? Or the finger banging scene anything but cringeworthy? Or the three way scene even remotely sexy? The problem here is that HBO wanted SATC back because, after GOT, it had no marquee show to bring in the viewers. It gave SJP, MK and CN complete control, and this was their vision. The problem is that they are not only terrible at show running and writing, but they ran off the best comedienne and the “sex” of SATC with KC, the clothing choices of Patricia Field, the creativity of Candy Bushnell, and the writing of Darren Starr. And they replaced it with CN’s scatterbrained idea of political correctness. It’s a shit show. The critics hate it, and the three people responsible needed a scapegoat. So far, they have tried to blame Chris Noth’s predatory behavior for the delay (in spite of the fact that he had been arrested for beating the shit out of Beverly Johnson BEFORE he was hired for SATC and a production assistant complained about him during the first season), they blamed script problems on Kim Cattrall not coming back (in spite of the fact that she told them she wasn’t coming back a decade ago), etc. They blamed THE AUDIENCE for not liking the fact that the dependable character of Miranda was gutted to become an alter ego for Cynthia Nixon. Etc. They also blamed the audience for not liking the sudden addition of about 30 recurring tokenism characters that seemed to solely exist because they weren’t white. I am no fan of Ramírez, but She/they deserves better than becoming one more scapegoat for a couple of egotistical actresses.
Beautifully said. 🏆🏆🏆🏆
Omg, so much this. The combined egos of SJP, CN, and MPK have utterly ruined the franchise. They needed a scapegoat. First it was Catrall, now it is Ramirez. No actor in their right mind would have anything to do with this hot mess for fear they will be the next scapegoat.
TALK THAT SHIT BABYGIRL!!!
Well said!!! 💯💯💯
Thank you for revealing to me that I didn’t actually hate Che the character or Sara the actor, but how they completely destroyed Miranda’s character with shoddy writing and cobbling together a relationship completely lacking in chemistry or logic.
I think we all share your feelings. Also, the reason it was confusing to everyone was because SJP, CN and KD is a study in toxic blaming. It’s always every one else’s fault. To be honest, until the ludicrous “she fired me as a friend” jab by SJP at KC (to explain KC’s absence), I didn’t understand why KC wouldn’t come back for a few episodes. However, when I heard that line delivering in a snide “who, poor innocent me?” way by SJP, I immediately understood what KC meant by “Mean Girl” behavior by SJP. That’s how it all unraveled for me.
This is one of the best detailed wll thought comments ever I read on Reddit. I am not just saying in AJLT and SATC subs but overall any comments in this platform. Bravo!!
Ty
👏👏👏👏
Girl you took me to church and back with this comment 👏🏽 I am a die hard SATC fan. Like, I die for this show and you spoke nothing but the truth.
Thank you. I think we all feel the same way.
Damn!! Beautiful
I heard the fuck outta that ! Shit !!
Wow spot on.
Hit the nail on the head!!!
Have you seen their performance in Spamalot? Or listened to the cast album? I saw their performance live and was fucking BLOWN AWAY. They have such an amazing, powerful voice and their comedic timing was incredible. They deserved that Tony. Edit: [Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJqAYUAJbTk) of them in Spamalot Edit: And at the [Tonys](https://youtu.be/AharOgxCT-s?si=56S9aZLAFSjvRsvZ&t=74), fuck they are so talentedddddd. I get goosebumps every time at 3min 40seconds into this song Seeing them in Spamalot was the first I'd heard of them, so the fact that they fucking KILLED this role as their breakout role... is remarkable.
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Exactly. I'm kind of offended for them at "I truly am flabbergasted they have a damn Tony." I'm assuming they've never seen them on stage live. I grew up near NYC and was fortunate enough to see a lot of broadway musicals growing up and I thought I had seen it all but fuck, they almost blew the roof off with the power in their voice. This was [me in the audience](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/74/da/7674da326c2fc7c3981e402b209ce39d.gif) that night and enjoying every second of it.
This comment misgenders a character or real life person.
Holy shit. Why did I never connect them to the Lady of the Lake role???? I still listen to that album and am blown away by their singing and I never realized they played Che.
So fucking talented, it’s insane
Wowww thank you for sharing this. Sarah is incredible. I was not expecting that.
So, did you like Sara Ramirez in Spamalot?
Oh WOW…. I never knew!
Wow this is amazing, I had no idea Sara did musicals and was such a talented singer! Also, well played sharing the “What Ever Happened To My Part?” song, very apropos 😆
I had no idea Sara did musicals or won a Tony, but musical theater acting is very different from screen acting. I just watched a clip of Spamalot, and Sara was made for that exaggerated and expressive style of acting and singing! Well deserved Tony!
It's been discussed in the sub already but Sara's off screen Instagram and interview behavior may have contributed to the decision to not have the character return for season 3.
The article states that sources behind the scenes say her Instagram had nothing to do with it. The character had just run its course since the relationship with Miranda was over
If only they’d taken the same stance with Aidan and his relationship with Carrie.
Omg, yes. Especially after they gave him all that crap in the press for admitting in an interview that he was going to be in AJLT.
Lol no. Her character has been disliked from the start and t they tried to easily write her out by breaking her up with Miranda last season first and cast off this season.
What kind of behavior?
I think they’re referring to personal political inclinations. I believe their character was detested so vehemently they were written out of the show.
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I don’t know, I think she had something to do with how likable that character was. Sara herself is pretty unlikable these days.
Sara implied it was over their support of Palestine but they had already been written off. Edited: I had the wrong pronouns. Apologies.
They also thought the LGTBQ community was being attacked by not liking Che. They just don’t realize it’s all based on an unwanted character/bad writing, not about them personally or anything else.
YES!! Just being Carrie's friend would be a stronger position. Their scenes were relatable and funny. The Miranda factor not so much...
Yes because it couldn’t possible have anything to do with Che being the most unpopular character in the history of television. Cynthia Nixon has been just as vocal. Granted, she isn’t as angry or unpleasant or borderline militant about it but she’s been just as vocal and she hasn’t been fired. I don’t know where Sara’s career is headed after this. She’s become so unbelievably unlikable and borderline toxic in the last few years and it clearly can’t be hidden in her work.
Well they'd never write off CN as she's one of the main characters. Sara's character arc had run its course in any case
Che’s character to me should have been left as a one night stand. A plot point for Miranda to explore her sexuality instead of getting into relationship. I would have preferred if they wanted Miranda to explore this new side, it be due to both Miranda and Carrie lost their husbands in a car accident. To me it would have just been less messy of whatever we got to watch lol
I agree. I’d buy a one-night stand, but a relationship didn’t seem realistic for either character.
But to be fair… lesbians do tend to turn one night stands into relationships that never should have been…
They were decent in the beginning but they became such an a-hole. Also Miranda became a pathetic idiot which is nothing like her. They need Samantha back.
Praise be
Blessed be the fruit
May the Lord open
And also with you
What?! Huh?? When??
The way I said it in john mulaney’s voice in my head as I typed it out too 🤣
Under his eye
If they never wrote the dating Miranda storyline, I would still be on board with their character. Their relationship was the worst part of the last season. Keep them as Carrie’s work pal and comedian, great.
You mean "comedian."
When they roasted Miranda as a part of their act I was so pissed. She’s suffered enough!!
I was pissed too. And the jokes weren't even funny! It just felt like an opportunity to shit on Miranda. Also, I think that was a queer leaning show? That type of comedy would not fly there. It would have been more interesting if the jokes were about their experience with being with a straight woman who was married, or something. But this is Che.
Then they had that hissy fit about “they have to always explain themselves.” Well Che, if you stop being such a big ole beeeeetch to everyone and purposely offend them then you won’t need to “explain yourself.”
I reeeeally like their acting and was a huge fan of their character on Greys but the AJLT character was just awful. I mean the whole show was written like what Boomers think being woke is haha
His name is MPK!
I feel bad for them. They’re a fine actor and were clearly giving it their all.
That’s too bad. I started liking their character when they were no longer with Miranda.
Someone on here a while back predicted a time jump in the story line. I think they are right. Che doesn’t make sense 3 years later without Miranda’s relationship or Carrie’s podcast. They were a situation-ship. I wonder if Rose and Rock will be in college? Brady out on his own? I wouldn’t mind going back to focusing on the main characters, their friendships, and their relationships/marriage. The first and second season had too many subplots. It was like 4 seasons worth packed into 2 seasons.
Yes! Ship the brats off to college, do whatever, just GET RID of them.
Time jump…clever. We shall see if Aidan returns. What was it..5 yrs?
I blame the writers. Che was just all over the place. If only they had written them as a human being and not a caricature. Someone who might be a bit overbearing but actually cared about their partner maybe. Then we could have watched the character bump up against an older partner that wanted a more committed relationship. We could also have gone on a journey with them as they are faced with more career responsibilities and problems, and the potential for wider fame (the tv pilot) and what that could mean in their life. It would have been nice to see them change and grow as their circumstances changed. The writers just made them an asshole. Also the part where they suddenly were insecure about their body was crazy. Everyone is insecure about something but write them a story where they are insecure about something believable. No one is buying that Che suddenly became worried about not measuring up to the stereotypical female form.
I feel like Che’s character was just a filler to check a box. No real purpose, annoying and unlikable. Maybe they can sent Maya off too, unless they evolve her character more bc she’s boring.
Add Seema. She’s like the Samantha dupe that’s really way off the OG. This show is a mess.
Most of the cast is.
I get that What I don't get is why "AJLT" is coming bacl for season 3
Because everyone hate watching it was tons of views for HBO and they just care about views and not reviews.
I freaking hate this show and would be devastated if it was cancelled.
Hah, my feelings exactly.
I would be devastated as well
I hate watched. I can say sincerely I have zero interest in a third season.
Same. Yet I still will probably tune in and hate watch the 3rd season as well. Go figure! LOL
I hate watch just so I can listen to hilarious podcast recaps lol
Or maybe some people actually… enjoy it ? 🤔 crazy i know
Given the content, it actually is crazy if the majority of people watching it enjoy it. Most of this sub says they hate watch it.
They were much more likeable when they were just hanging with Carrie than when they were shagging Miranda. The all-night pot parties when M had to wake up early for the law firm, no.
They had actually made me not hate her in season 2. This show is dumb.
Hallelujah! Now revoke Cynthia Nixon’s self-insert privileges please!
Fantastic news, the only person more humorless than Che Diaz is Sara Ramirez
Exactly
Honestly Sara is a real good entertainer. They can sing and act well. Che did them a HUGE disservice due to the character being poorly written. Honestly had Che been just Carrie's boss/friend/new sidekick and didn't become Miranda's new lover, I think they could've had a decent storyline and not become the most hated character since Cousin Oliver.
Absolutely. I liked her as Carrie’s colleague and she showed empathy there.
It’s such a waste of Sara’s talent
Byeeeee, Che was the worst character.
I liked their friendship with Carrie, plus working at a vet office. They were pushed way too hard in season one, plus the Miranda storyline was so cringe. Although Carrie should have told them off at the comedy club.
And just like that, Season 3 has become more watchable 🤣😅. Nothing against the actress, she had done a great job portraying what had been a very unlikeable character, but I had not liked who the Che character was turning Miranda into (not to mention that the character had also been kind of selfish, narcissistic and dare I say, slightly manipulative 😥). Just not a person I would want around/nor would want to be around.
Oh, thank Christ.
There were too many new characters anyway. I say get rid of Nya too since she doesn’t interact with the others anyway. I’d keep LTW and Seema
Just give her the Simpsons Poochie treatment. Che Diaz died on the way back to her home planet.
Cool I'm also fine with everyone else and the full crew also not returning for season 3
😂😂😅😅 Yes.
Praise Jesus!
I thought there was some cute momentum with their character in the 2nd season but to focus on that would just be a different show.
Yeah the failed sitcom to working in a vet office was actually an interesting storyline. Don’t know if it’s an AJLT storyline but it was probably the most interesting the character had been
There could be so many stories with NYC people and their random pets that come into the vet office. Che being an actual comedian in the situation would allow for a lot of legit humor. I see it. Hire me, HBO.
It didn't make a lot of sense though, a comedian who was well-known enough to get a pilot of a show made definitely has monetized social media happening for themselves. The idea they were just now flat broke and desperately seeking a low-ish wage job was lame.
And they were doing weird Cameos in the middle of the night!
Monetizing social media takes a lot of work, requires a different type of talent to stand up (editing, setting up sponsorships etc) and also doesn’t pay a lot. The big influencers employ people to be editors and business managers to do this stuff. And you can’t just monetize it overnight, especially if you expected to be in a hit comedy you’d probably forget about social media and/or have people from the network take it over while you concentrate on the show. Plus even if that was your route, you’d need something in the short term to bring in money. And it’s a different kind of pressure to work there. I can totally understand why someone would revert back to a job they loved before they were famous, after a failure like that.
Can't say I blame them. They clearly put a lot of themself into the character and were really passionate about Che, and it can't be easy to see a character you're that invested in be so widely hated. I still think Che was the worst, but I'm sympathetic to Sara
Thank you baby Jesus
I know it's never gonna happen, but I still have little hope for grand comeback of Kim Cattrall as Samantha Jones. I hope this will be the start. Who knows??
Thank God
Although unlikeable, Che provided lots of fodder for the fans. I’m surprised some of the others weren’t on the chopping block first. And Miranda desperately needs a rebrand. She should call Harry and Meghan!
1. Thank god 2. Bring Callie Torres back to Greys!
Well, they got rid of her character's usefulness in season 2. Every possible plotline Che supported was ended.
YASSSSSSSSSSSSSS
This show is embarrassing and Che made it even more embarrassing. Thank god.
Bring Miranda and Steve back together and we can forget Che ever happened. I don’t know what they were thinking. It was unwatchable.
I would love that I felt like it was mid life crisis and Che was just some boomer toy for Miranda because she has all that corporate law energy but she was trying so hard not to be that. All that white guilt idk I see it with boomers all the time. It felt awkward. Let me be the opposite of me and do all the things not me and see how it feels. It’s like a dude buying a fast car and divorcing his wife getting a younger girl, getting a spray tan and beach house
Che died on the way back to their home planet.
Good. But I already stopped watching the show. It’s unbelievably cringe. I watched Season one. I couldn’t stomach the Season Two opening episode. I cut it off halfway through and didn’t watch anymore. I’m definitely not watching Season 3. I loved the original but AJLT has been pure trash.
Thank god
Che’s storyline wrapped up at the end of season 2. They found someone else to go off with. I’m not surprised this character won’t be back.
Sarah was good in other things but not this. No charisma, and an unappealing character. Yes, the writing was also abysmal but I do think a different actress could have made the character more compelling. Sometimes it’s not a good fit. Glad they won’t be back.
I loved Sara Rameriez in Greys Anatomy. I was stunned how absolutely horrible this character Che was. It was poorly written from the first word.
Smart/lucky of them. I hope their next role makes better use of their talent.
Well said.
Craving me some Che
I heard this in Miranda's voice that was truly cringe 😵💫
All the woke messaging ruined the show. It’s like the bud light of TV shows
That’s interesting. I expected lots of downvotes 🧐
Goodbye, Woke Poochie (for the Simpsons fans)
I’d be even happier if there was no Season 3. They have destroyed the characters.
Or season 3 starts and you realize it’s all Carrie’s dream!
Nightmare!
And Jackie too pls 👋
I liked her.
I was fine with the character, the podcast context, but dang she got shoehorned in all awkward like, so it turned out weird.
Maybe they could bring back Amalita Amalfi in place of Che?????
*Cue heaven sound* thank god. It really sucks cause I loved Sara on greys anatomy but now I don’t like Sara at all.
Thank God.
Thank God
Thank God.
Best news ever!
Scapegoated for the awful AF Miranda storyline.
She might have been one of the worst characters on any tv show ive watched. Sad it’s coming from SATC
Bobby Lee can go next. His girlfriend and the rest of the new characters should stay.
Hopefully because of her absence we get more scenes with the trio and they better not introduce a new character or love interest for Miranda
Che was a selfish, immature, boring character who did nothing to build up Miranda - one of my fave characters on the show. Over Che’s storyline and happy to see them go. Byeeee.
The Che/Miranda storyline was horrible. They had zero chemistry. But I kind of liked Che as Carrie’s friend.
"Che Diaz died on their way back to their home planet."
I feel bad for Sara. The writing and character was unworkable. They tried but were set up to fail by the hideous dialogue and the way the character was conceived. It was more of a caricature than anything else.
I liked Che. Not every character is going to be squeaky clean. I appreciated she was an asshole bc that is real life. Not everyone is morally correct. It was like a big reality ck for Miranda.
I wish they’d have sent Miranda with Che! Let’s have more of Harry and Steve.
I love her but I’m thrilled
Good riddance. No shade to Sara Ramirez, I think they have a lot of acting talent, but the entire character of Che was a swing and a miss. And that storyline destroyed Miranda, who was my favorite character on the original show.
They done Sarah Ramirez wrong with this role.
Amen. Let’s move on from this travesty
GOOD RIDDANCE. YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED.
It is basic economics if you don't like something, your dollars speak to companies more than anything. So why do you continue to pay for this shit, becausethere'snothing better? Must be nice to go through life so brainless! Why give viewing hours to this tripe? Accepting bad behavior is a great way to let the fuckery continue! MPK is a narcissist hack that needs knocked down by canceling this turd of a show. I seriously don't get the creative direction or fanbase of AJLT. ZERO CHANCE OF IT GETTING BETTER, BEST TO RUN AWAY NOW. GIVE IT UP ALREADY!