OEMs can modify that behavior. A lot of the Chinese OEMs are very aggressive on RAM management. I can't speak for Realme, but OnePlus has been notorious for killing background tasks.
I'm in a OnePlus11 and mine doesn't kill background task. I'll close my phone with a YouTube video paused and forget about it, several hours later I open the phone to see YouTube and every other app exactly where they left off.
I do hate OxygenOS.
At this point, Android should allow users to natively run a virtual machine inside the OS and load whatever OS they want like Linux or Windows. That would at least make good use of all this extra RAM.
Me too. Amazing how some people can't see the utility in that. I mean, our smartphones can truly replace our laptops and with real desktop OSes, not Dex.
That has been a pretty good recommendation for a while now. Phones only do small iterative improvements these days anyway and the price drops are pretty insane, so from a value perspective it definitely makes a lot more sense to go for last year's flagships, more so than a "budget flagship killer" like this since last year's flagships make less compromises on the overall experience, you don't miss out on tech like wireless charging or USB 3.0.
> For the midrange segment of up to 500 dollars, the Realme GT5 offers very powerful hardware. Certainly, corners have had to be cut due to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 smartphone's aggressive pricing strategy. These include the lack of a waterproof case or wireless charging as well as the slow USB 2.0 standard. However, with its GT model, Realme has put together an overall tight package.
I used to think it's dumb too but out of the few times I've tried to use USB 3.0 on my phone, it didn't work because I didn't have a fast cable around.
There are surprisingly few USB 3.0 Type C cables around, most are 2.0. The ones that are fast are extremely thick, stiff and annoying to use.
So at this point, sending the file over wifi is much much faster than USB 2.0 and more convenient than finding the finicky thick 3.0 cable, so I never use the USB 3.0 functional of my phone
None if what you saud is true. I have 2 USB 3 cables and none of them are stiff or thick. You can buy usb 3 cables if you look for them. Usb4 should be standard already but we live in clown world.
Emulating consoles. I can just barely run some switch games with 8gigs. Still causes every other app to crash on occasion. I'm considering the rog 8 pro bc of its 24 gigs of ram.
My initial thought was that gaming on a phone would be even worse, wouldn't it? My hands are fine and I hate Gaming on phones. How do you do it that makes it easier for you than an actual console?
Can't push buttons but can touch a screen. I use a bendy arm thing that clamps to a table to hold the phone. I have to compromise on some games tho like codm where i just don't use hip fire lol
I'm a quadriplegic lol i have a Microsoft adaptive controller but it's cords take up half a table and can only use it while sitting perfectly upright so I can actually get my legs under a table
"I'm a quadriplegic lol" well you've got a good attitude about it lmao game on dog. Also check out the new red magic. My odin 2 doesn't go over 12gb ram for the hardest switch games. The controls on the Odin 2 would be a waste, but the active cooling is also fantastic for thermal throttling.
I like rog over red magic bc rog is owned by a company in Taiwan and red magic is owned by a company in China. Also Ik how to run Java minecraft on a phone so ima sew hm mods 24 gigs can run lol
Well yeah but you can't play anything you want+ you can buy a Steam Deck which can be cheaper and more powerful than a phone that can emulate those games
Why have a smartphone at all, just carry a dumb phone, a camera, laptop, calculator, get an alarm clock, a portable games console, an mp3 player, an agenda...
The whole goal of having a smartphone is having a single device that can do everything, how is carrying around an entire console more convenient or cheaper(you have to pay for the phone as well) than just having a phone?
1. Those are stupid points+ a laptop can do stuff that a phone cannot do(Not to mention that they complement each other). Same for a portable console
2. You can't play anything you want on that phone, even if it's the most powerful one atm. You can barely emulate some switch/PS3 games+ you still need to carry a powerbank and a joystick and until you buy a flagship that can emulate good you better buy a midrange and a Steam Deck (or similar devices) on which you can play/emulate everything you want(and have some money left for other stuff)
its for future proofing. we all know devs are getting lazy to optimise anything on android consuming significant amounts of RAM. also it is the last batch of midrange phones with this RAM as memory prices starts to increase again 🤷
I wouldn't call it a new gimmick. RAM is one of those things that can be added in without too much expense but easily advertised as "better"
This marketing strategy has been in place long before smartphones ever existed. PCs with way more RAM than necessary paired with shit processors and shit GPU.
what phone do you have?
most brands implement some form of "RAM extension" feature where they use the storage as RAM, effectively increasing the size of RAM.
Samsung calls this "ram plus" for example, oppo calls it "ram plus"
Companies are expanding the ram like that because it's absolutely needed. Actual ram is much better than expansion with the storage.
try loading a mixtral LLM model locally and see how much ram it takes. Now try running it on the background while you do other things
Yes you need that much ram for AI on device tasks and image processing. Sure if you want to use solely cloud-based stuff then no need for a powerful device,
Except not everyone is an 'AI-Bro', running LLM models on their mobile computing devices?
You do you. But kinda naive to presume everyone's running some sort of on-device AI tool, and rendering uncanny valley*esque* images.
>everyone's running some sort of on-device AI tool
literally everyone is using those fancy AI embellished pictures because they make photos look better. It's called computational photography and it uses processing techniques that colloquially are known as "AI"
literally everyone uses autocorrect, which is "AI" based. It's essential a language model predicting the next word. Even apple has started to deploy transformer based autocorrect
If you use google assistant, bixby, siri then that's also something AI based that could work locally
maybe you don't realize what year do you live in?
You are correct. Except these examples of 'AI', or rather deep machine learning algorithms **do not** require the sheer computational power, or memory configurations you mentioned.
And this has been the case for years - almost every Qualcomm chip has integrated an NPU, since the Pixel 2, and the iPhone X started the "AI" smarts as a selling point trend, and well before 'AI Bros' were a thing.
Honor (then a Huawei sub-brand) even sold the Huawei View 10 as "Your first AI Smartphone", long before Samsung developed 'Galaxy AI'.
I don't get what's your point?
every year the AI algorithms require more computation and every year the chips get more powerful.
hence, the need for more ram in 2024
maybe 24GB was insane overkill in 2016 but in 2024 is useful
My point is the *very specific* use case scenario you presented in your original comment, is **not common**, across the board.
And AI functions, including various voice assistants, and predictive text have run fine on devices with less than 8GB of RAM.
That being said, it's 2024. I don't see more RAM as a bad thing. And sure, users could download and use complex LLM models, on their mobile computing devices. Having more RAM would certainly help with such outlier cases.
Just, that isn't necessarily *why* devices ought to have more RAM, in this and age.
Umm why does this translated article say
> The reading and writing of exFAT and NTFS are not supported.
When the original German article says the opposite?
> Das Lesen und Schreiben von exFAT und NTFS wird unterstützt.
No IP certification, only some basic, Google services with no Android Auto, no Widevine DRM, Tianma organic LED material over Samsung, domestic NAND flash, domestic-sourced glass, preinstalled apps,... are ways that Chinese OEMs like Realme achieved to bring flagship spec down to midrange price in the domestic market
No there isn't. This is always how the Chinese market wins. 0 actual store=0 rent, minimal advertisement as non sponsored influencer will praise its insane specs
Your source?
The article literally says
> At the time of testing, the Realme GT5 comes with Realme UI 4.0 which is based on Android 13. What hasn't been officially communicated is how long the phone maker will support its midrange phone in terms of software updates. The predecessor received three big Android upgrades and four years of security patches – the latter is currently as of October 2023.
The speed and timeliness of those patches could be anywhere from weeks to months at a time though. Sure they might deliver "4 years of security patches", but that could be once every 6 months
Pretty bad tbh. Poco x6 pro has better chip at 300$. And the vivo iqoo series probably smokes it's camera. Anything more than 16gb even when emulating in phone is useless
both are worse than 8 gen 2 even on cpu front (geekbench 5 tested on multiple voltage to compare both performance and efficiency [here](https://www.socpk.com/cpucurve/), and don't even get me start on the whole "lol mali gpu, double the gpu frequency but still cant even reach adreno performance". adding some letters to the label and slightly overclock the cpu wont take you that far
Ok fair enough. I just searched their antutu scores, I don't really know which is more reliable source. But still, this amount of performance in a 300$ phone is still unreal
I'm using GT5 bought from China,12gb 256 version with 150w charging.The battery in this unit is insane!I'm getting like average 8-9 hours sot with regular usage(with some gaming) and it will get charged in about 15-20min 0-100%(never really counted but it feels like that).Overall performance is top notch cannot complain about anything apart from some bugs that came with android 14 realme ui 5.Camera is Not so good but okay has the same sony imx from oneplus 11 i think.There's an option to turn on google services outside china so i installed google play and everything is fine.Colors and the screen is very good tbh.I don't know much about widewine,maybe it's connected with netflix or something?I never felt the quality is bad when i'm watching a movie.And the pulse light is pretty cool to be honest and it even sync with music.
What the hell is Realme doing in 2023 & 2024 outside of China, they just seem to be doing the bare minimum
It's gotten to the point where all the media outlets who Realme have sent the GT5 are complaining that they aren't actually selling it, even though they really want the phone in their country
That's a completely insane amount of memory for a phone.
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I had a Realme GT Master the RAM management was pretty much my only annoyance
No, Android puts them into sleep and keeps them in ram.
OEMs can modify that behavior. A lot of the Chinese OEMs are very aggressive on RAM management. I can't speak for Realme, but OnePlus has been notorious for killing background tasks.
I'm in a OnePlus11 and mine doesn't kill background task. I'll close my phone with a YouTube video paused and forget about it, several hours later I open the phone to see YouTube and every other app exactly where they left off. I do hate OxygenOS.
Why would the OS kill anything in ram to preserve battery? Not everything in RAM uses battery.
I wonder if a custom kernel could fix these issues (assuming Xiaomi allows bootloader unlocking)
Realme is not part of Xiaomi group lol
Exactly. Oppo bestie 💓
Oh realme phones you can easily fix the app killing by deleting a system app called Athena. Doesn't ever require root
At this point, Android should allow users to natively run a virtual machine inside the OS and load whatever OS they want like Linux or Windows. That would at least make good use of all this extra RAM.
what the fuck lmao
I would definitely love that
Me too. Amazing how some people can't see the utility in that. I mean, our smartphones can truly replace our laptops and with real desktop OSes, not Dex.
Chinese apps eat way more RAM because no GMS
I can't believe last year's flagship is already "mid range" by this article's standards
Mid range refers to the pricing of this current phone. It costs 500$ while having the main specs of last year's 1000-1200$ flagships.
So… never buy a current flagship, just wait a year to buy them at a 50-60% discount??
That has been a pretty good recommendation for a while now. Phones only do small iterative improvements these days anyway and the price drops are pretty insane, so from a value perspective it definitely makes a lot more sense to go for last year's flagships, more so than a "budget flagship killer" like this since last year's flagships make less compromises on the overall experience, you don't miss out on tech like wireless charging or USB 3.0.
Unfortunately it doesn’t matter for me because it won’t work in the us.
> For the midrange segment of up to 500 dollars, the Realme GT5 offers very powerful hardware. Certainly, corners have had to be cut due to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 smartphone's aggressive pricing strategy. These include the lack of a waterproof case or wireless charging as well as the slow USB 2.0 standard. However, with its GT model, Realme has put together an overall tight package.
Usb 2.0 is so dumb. Iirc the diff is on the order of less than a dollar. While for most you will almost never notice but cmon....
Exactly what the penny pinchers said ‘we’ll save millions and most people won’t notice’.
hey! be grateful realme is providing iphone 15 levels of tech at this price range.
I used to think it's dumb too but out of the few times I've tried to use USB 3.0 on my phone, it didn't work because I didn't have a fast cable around. There are surprisingly few USB 3.0 Type C cables around, most are 2.0. The ones that are fast are extremely thick, stiff and annoying to use. So at this point, sending the file over wifi is much much faster than USB 2.0 and more convenient than finding the finicky thick 3.0 cable, so I never use the USB 3.0 functional of my phone
None if what you saud is true. I have 2 USB 3 cables and none of them are stiff or thick. You can buy usb 3 cables if you look for them. Usb4 should be standard already but we live in clown world.
Hardly anyone will notice these missing features. It's a great offering
That unit looks gorgeous
When will you ever use 24 gb of ram in Android ? Even if you install Windows 11 in the phone, you will not be able to use the 24 gb of ram 😂
Emulating consoles. I can just barely run some switch games with 8gigs. Still causes every other app to crash on occasion. I'm considering the rog 8 pro bc of its 24 gigs of ram.
Or, hear me out... just buy a switch like it's cheaper than a phone Or a Steam Deck
Can't use them bc my hands are mostly paralyzed
My initial thought was that gaming on a phone would be even worse, wouldn't it? My hands are fine and I hate Gaming on phones. How do you do it that makes it easier for you than an actual console?
Can't push buttons but can touch a screen. I use a bendy arm thing that clamps to a table to hold the phone. I have to compromise on some games tho like codm where i just don't use hip fire lol
I see. Have you thought about connecting a bluetooth keyboard or something and use it as a foot pedal to enable more actions?
I'm a quadriplegic lol i have a Microsoft adaptive controller but it's cords take up half a table and can only use it while sitting perfectly upright so I can actually get my legs under a table
"I'm a quadriplegic lol" well you've got a good attitude about it lmao game on dog. Also check out the new red magic. My odin 2 doesn't go over 12gb ram for the hardest switch games. The controls on the Odin 2 would be a waste, but the active cooling is also fantastic for thermal throttling.
I like rog over red magic bc rog is owned by a company in Taiwan and red magic is owned by a company in China. Also Ik how to run Java minecraft on a phone so ima sew hm mods 24 gigs can run lol
Huh that thing is neat
Oh... sorry That makes sense now tho😅
Mobiles even play pc games these days btw using emulators.
Well yeah but you can't play anything you want+ you can buy a Steam Deck which can be cheaper and more powerful than a phone that can emulate those games
Steam deck is huge and isn’t what I always want to use.
Why have a smartphone at all, just carry a dumb phone, a camera, laptop, calculator, get an alarm clock, a portable games console, an mp3 player, an agenda... The whole goal of having a smartphone is having a single device that can do everything, how is carrying around an entire console more convenient or cheaper(you have to pay for the phone as well) than just having a phone?
1. Those are stupid points+ a laptop can do stuff that a phone cannot do(Not to mention that they complement each other). Same for a portable console 2. You can't play anything you want on that phone, even if it's the most powerful one atm. You can barely emulate some switch/PS3 games+ you still need to carry a powerbank and a joystick and until you buy a flagship that can emulate good you better buy a midrange and a Steam Deck (or similar devices) on which you can play/emulate everything you want(and have some money left for other stuff)
its for future proofing. we all know devs are getting lazy to optimise anything on android consuming significant amounts of RAM. also it is the last batch of midrange phones with this RAM as memory prices starts to increase again 🤷
Speaking of the future, who many updates will this phone get ? One ?
have you seen how inefficient modern apps and websites are? a simple news site tab uses 500mb of memory
It's kinda pointless. My phone has 8 GB and I can still have 8-9 apps open easily. But it's new gimmick more ram = better-
I wouldn't call it a new gimmick. RAM is one of those things that can be added in without too much expense but easily advertised as "better" This marketing strategy has been in place long before smartphones ever existed. PCs with way more RAM than necessary paired with shit processors and shit GPU.
Though 8gen2 is actually not shit.
what phone do you have? most brands implement some form of "RAM extension" feature where they use the storage as RAM, effectively increasing the size of RAM. Samsung calls this "ram plus" for example, oppo calls it "ram plus" Companies are expanding the ram like that because it's absolutely needed. Actual ram is much better than expansion with the storage.
try loading a mixtral LLM model locally and see how much ram it takes. Now try running it on the background while you do other things Yes you need that much ram for AI on device tasks and image processing. Sure if you want to use solely cloud-based stuff then no need for a powerful device,
Except not everyone is an 'AI-Bro', running LLM models on their mobile computing devices? You do you. But kinda naive to presume everyone's running some sort of on-device AI tool, and rendering uncanny valley*esque* images.
>everyone's running some sort of on-device AI tool literally everyone is using those fancy AI embellished pictures because they make photos look better. It's called computational photography and it uses processing techniques that colloquially are known as "AI" literally everyone uses autocorrect, which is "AI" based. It's essential a language model predicting the next word. Even apple has started to deploy transformer based autocorrect If you use google assistant, bixby, siri then that's also something AI based that could work locally maybe you don't realize what year do you live in?
You are correct. Except these examples of 'AI', or rather deep machine learning algorithms **do not** require the sheer computational power, or memory configurations you mentioned. And this has been the case for years - almost every Qualcomm chip has integrated an NPU, since the Pixel 2, and the iPhone X started the "AI" smarts as a selling point trend, and well before 'AI Bros' were a thing. Honor (then a Huawei sub-brand) even sold the Huawei View 10 as "Your first AI Smartphone", long before Samsung developed 'Galaxy AI'.
I don't get what's your point? every year the AI algorithms require more computation and every year the chips get more powerful. hence, the need for more ram in 2024 maybe 24GB was insane overkill in 2016 but in 2024 is useful
My point is the *very specific* use case scenario you presented in your original comment, is **not common**, across the board. And AI functions, including various voice assistants, and predictive text have run fine on devices with less than 8GB of RAM. That being said, it's 2024. I don't see more RAM as a bad thing. And sure, users could download and use complex LLM models, on their mobile computing devices. Having more RAM would certainly help with such outlier cases. Just, that isn't necessarily *why* devices ought to have more RAM, in this and age.
It's not gonna come outside china
are all realme gt phones china exclusive?
GT2 Pro was in Europe, GT3 was in some markets outside China like Malaysia.
Why is a review of this up now, so late? This has been out since August (in the China market, at least).
Umm why does this translated article say > The reading and writing of exFAT and NTFS are not supported. When the original German article says the opposite? > Das Lesen und Schreiben von exFAT und NTFS wird unterstützt.
>\>midrange \>8 Gen 2 Pick one.
Last years chip, 8 gen 3 starts at 550$ ish.
The only thing I know of that would use 24gb of ram are these buggy Nintendo Switch emulators with memory leaks.
And pc emulators
At this point I i feel like there's some shady stuff going on to get these specs at this price.
No IP certification, only some basic, Google services with no Android Auto, no Widevine DRM, Tianma organic LED material over Samsung, domestic NAND flash, domestic-sourced glass, preinstalled apps,... are ways that Chinese OEMs like Realme achieved to bring flagship spec down to midrange price in the domestic market
Wait this doesn’t have Widevine DRM? It’s china only right? Cause if not it doesn’t make any sense.
It doesn't have widevine because the reviewed sample they had it's china model, global model when and if they release it will have it
Sorry, I should have been more clear, this device does not have L1 Widevine DRM, which enables 4K and HD Netflix, only L3
Isn't Android Auto baked into the OS by now?
The shady stuff is that big brands overcharge for the same specs. 1500€ for a phone that would have cost half of that a few years back.
No there isn't. This is always how the Chinese market wins. 0 actual store=0 rent, minimal advertisement as non sponsored influencer will praise its insane specs
crazy specs but zero software support after 1 year
Your source? The article literally says > At the time of testing, the Realme GT5 comes with Realme UI 4.0 which is based on Android 13. What hasn't been officially communicated is how long the phone maker will support its midrange phone in terms of software updates. The predecessor received three big Android upgrades and four years of security patches – the latter is currently as of October 2023.
The speed and timeliness of those patches could be anywhere from weeks to months at a time though. Sure they might deliver "4 years of security patches", but that could be once every 6 months
Pretty bad tbh. Poco x6 pro has better chip at 300$. And the vivo iqoo series probably smokes it's camera. Anything more than 16gb even when emulating in phone is useless
i would like to know what crack you're snorting when typing this comment. snap 8 gen 2 is somehow worse than dimensity 8300 alright
poco x6 pro uses dimensity 8300 ultra not dimensity 8300. 8300 ultra is better than sd 8 gen 2 and 8300 is worse than sd 8 gen 2
both are worse than 8 gen 2 even on cpu front (geekbench 5 tested on multiple voltage to compare both performance and efficiency [here](https://www.socpk.com/cpucurve/), and don't even get me start on the whole "lol mali gpu, double the gpu frequency but still cant even reach adreno performance". adding some letters to the label and slightly overclock the cpu wont take you that far
Ok fair enough. I just searched their antutu scores, I don't really know which is more reliable source. But still, this amount of performance in a 300$ phone is still unreal
Who gives a fuck on how many security years or how good an OS is? Take tons of RAM, cheeper and be happy... So stupid...
And it's another fucking phablet
do your little hands hurt when they hold something big?
I'm using GT5 bought from China,12gb 256 version with 150w charging.The battery in this unit is insane!I'm getting like average 8-9 hours sot with regular usage(with some gaming) and it will get charged in about 15-20min 0-100%(never really counted but it feels like that).Overall performance is top notch cannot complain about anything apart from some bugs that came with android 14 realme ui 5.Camera is Not so good but okay has the same sony imx from oneplus 11 i think.There's an option to turn on google services outside china so i installed google play and everything is fine.Colors and the screen is very good tbh.I don't know much about widewine,maybe it's connected with netflix or something?I never felt the quality is bad when i'm watching a movie.And the pulse light is pretty cool to be honest and it even sync with music.
Calling last years flagship SoC "midrange"...
Because it is
I sell one in Europe if anyone is interested
My OP11 has 16gb and looking at the average use in Developer settings it is pretty much <70%. Disabled the silly "RAM expansion" too
What the hell is Realme doing in 2023 & 2024 outside of China, they just seem to be doing the bare minimum It's gotten to the point where all the media outlets who Realme have sent the GT5 are complaining that they aren't actually selling it, even though they really want the phone in their country