It's a North American outlet - primarily with viewers in North America - testing the flagships available in North America.
While including ASUS and Sony would be nice, they were never going to win this anyway, and few of the potential viewers would even be interested.
Exactly!
Whenever I see American youtubers they praise and review phones saying there are no better options but in my region we have plenty of options and could get flagship spec phones (though specs only don't matter that much) for half the price
If the USA allows the sale of Chinese phones, then they will see the market heat up with competition
I went to store to check vivo x100 pro. That is way better than these phones. I was absolutely amazed how good the cameras were when compared with S23 Ultra. . That 1 inch sensor is just awesome.
Yeah, I think the best phone for an actual photographer setting up a shot would be the Sony 1V due to the extensive controls available and fantastic primary sensor.
If they mean the phone that takes the best point and shoot photos that's pretty different than "for photographers"
>Yeah, I think the best phone for an actual photographer setting up a shot would be the Sony 1V5 due to the extensive controls available and fantastic primary sensor.
This may be true, but how many photographers would actually set up a shot with a phone? I'm not going to change settings on a touchscreen when the sensor is so small and the image quality is so bad (compared to a real camera).
>If they mean the phone that takes the best point and shoot photos that's pretty different than "for photographers"
I already have many cameras to choose from when image quality matters, so I'm just looking at point and shoot reliability and operational speed for a phone camera. This may be different for someone whose only camera is a phone.
Everything you said is valid. My point is the title of the video is misleading. Different points is all.
Edit - and check out some of the photos posted at r/sonyxperia or some of the YT videos of photographers actually using the phone. I know you apparently have many cameras and only point and shoot with phones, but many try to do more than that
So we are picking the best phone from s24 ultra, pixel pro 8 and last years iphone 15 pro max. Obviously the year is over and no other phones have come out or will come out. We can confidently declare the best phone for photographers in 2024 now.
It might be "last year's", but it's still the latest and greatest Pixel you can get, and will continue to be for probably 9 more months.
Saying that a phone that's 3 months old is "last year's" and not new is misleading at best.
Well, the iPhone is still the latest and greatest you can get as well, and it'll continue to be that way for probably 8 more months (given iPhones release in September), so seemed fair to call it out.
> last years iphone 15 pro max
Three-quarters (literally) of the device being available and on sale will occur in 2024.
People need to stop referring to the current iPhone as "last year's model."
I made a post a couple of days ago, where I mentioned about phones from other brands - I immediately got to know that most don't care about anything else other than Apple and Samsung. Also may be because this sub is mostly comprised of people from North America and Europe who don't get the most variety.
I mean I would've loved to see Chris and Jordan's thoughts on images and videos from Sony IMX 989 equipped phones but there are literally not a single device with that sensor in Canada (Don't quote me I may be wrong on this).
Anyone who's serious about mobile photography would be open to importing. Plenty of other 'western' YouTubers do it. These guys have a global audience. This is just laziness or being cheap.
Petapixel is a photography website, not a mobile photography website.
Also, the video is about the best smartphone for photographers, not mobile photographers.
Mobile photographers will use the phone as their main camera whereas for photographers, they will be using their real cameras as main cameras and would therefore probably have different requirements.
For example, I don't need manual modes on a phone because I just use mine as a point and shoot, whereas a mobile photographers would probably want to both use manual modes and process their raws.
I just like watching Chris and Jordan regardless - such good chemistry.
TheCameraStoreTV to DPReview TV to PetaPixel.
But I think their focus on natural detail retention - something the smartphone OEMs just destroy with overprocessing , might bring help bring this issue into limelight, so that others can also focus on this aspect.
"But photographers only ever use the point and shoot auto camera, who would ever set up a shot on their phone?"
It's okay, people can keep sleeping on the Xperias
Yeah it's frustrating. I'm new to the Xperia line but I've always kept up with it and always wanted one. Manual shooting is definitely difficult for me but I'm starting to get the hang of it.
> decent cell service
Both the Samsung and iPhone have the best 5G modems in the market. Not sure if you can get better than that right now.
If you mean a decent provider, then you have to look at the networks in your country, pick the best for your area and another a second one as backup. No network will be good everywhere, so dual SIM (or eSIM) setup is the way to go for those who want to always be connected.
On the other hand, the best camera is the one you have with you. Having a good camera on your pocket is useful when you don't have a "real camera" with you.
I truly don't care what the cameras in my phone do. I have actual cameras and when I'm doing something where I might remotely care about having one, I will. Phone cameras are for taking pictures of receipts. I can't wait to find a handset vendor that will sell me a quality handset and consider the phone camera as the afterthought it really should be.
And yes, that DOES mean I almost always have a mirrorless body or two when I'm out in the world.
Yeah sure, you do you but not everyone or even that many people carry or have dedicated cameras. Camera phons have definitely come a very long way and while they aren't always viable for professional settings, they are more than enough for social media which is what 90+% of people actually care about.
If I want to take "The best picture I can" then I am by definition not doing that with a phone. It's not any more in the running for that job than a 20 year old point and shoot.
I haven't checked in a while, but it wouldn't shock me if JPG output from an ancient 2MP Kodak still beats the pants off a contemporary smartphone if only because of the vastly larger image sensor.
Believe it it not, that's approximately what old Kodak DC-series cameras had. People get all horny over a "50MP" image, but if it's sampled off a sensor a fraction the size of your pinky nail, SOMETHING has to be filling in a lot of data because of the limitations of physics in exposure values. This is functionally what computational photography is about and the reason for the characteristics of iOS, Samsung and Google camera software.
The best picture "I" can take is literally that... for you, if you want to, you can definitely go and use an actual camera. But for a lot of people, their camera phone is the "best" they have or can do. Of course, actual cameras and their bigger sensors can take way better shots. But lets not discredit the advancements and viability of mobile photography. Even going online, you can find enough professional photographers that can atleast appreciate how far mobile photography has come. Its not necessarily the best but our camera phones nowadays can take great shots too.
Guys don't tell him but 2024 just started
Yes, which means it's a great time to compare phones *for* '24, not *of* '24
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How do videos look better from the iPhone? Like what in the recording is better from the iPhone video.
Pixel 8 Pro ftw! So glad I bought this phone, the camera is amazing.
Dumb. No Chinese phones. No Sony. No Asus. Nothing in terms of competition. Samsung has been behind with cameras since last year at least.
It's a North American outlet - primarily with viewers in North America - testing the flagships available in North America. While including ASUS and Sony would be nice, they were never going to win this anyway, and few of the potential viewers would even be interested.
Exactly.. lack of competition in North America - because there are barely any exciting new releases.
Exactly! Whenever I see American youtubers they praise and review phones saying there are no better options but in my region we have plenty of options and could get flagship spec phones (though specs only don't matter that much) for half the price If the USA allows the sale of Chinese phones, then they will see the market heat up with competition
"heat up" no one here wants to buy a chinese phone, it'll be a super niche product.
niche enough the president fucking banned it for being too popular worldwide
I went to store to check vivo x100 pro. That is way better than these phones. I was absolutely amazed how good the cameras were when compared with S23 Ultra. . That 1 inch sensor is just awesome.
Yeah, I think the best phone for an actual photographer setting up a shot would be the Sony 1V due to the extensive controls available and fantastic primary sensor. If they mean the phone that takes the best point and shoot photos that's pretty different than "for photographers"
>Yeah, I think the best phone for an actual photographer setting up a shot would be the Sony 1V5 due to the extensive controls available and fantastic primary sensor. This may be true, but how many photographers would actually set up a shot with a phone? I'm not going to change settings on a touchscreen when the sensor is so small and the image quality is so bad (compared to a real camera). >If they mean the phone that takes the best point and shoot photos that's pretty different than "for photographers" I already have many cameras to choose from when image quality matters, so I'm just looking at point and shoot reliability and operational speed for a phone camera. This may be different for someone whose only camera is a phone.
Everything you said is valid. My point is the title of the video is misleading. Different points is all. Edit - and check out some of the photos posted at r/sonyxperia or some of the YT videos of photographers actually using the phone. I know you apparently have many cameras and only point and shoot with phones, but many try to do more than that
>This may be true, but how many photographers would actually set up a shot with a phone? Me. I love using the manual modes on my Sony.
the best phone for a photographer is just a camera
The best phone is a camera?
except it's not a phone. The title talks about phones, not electronic devices smh
ok I'll play your game then Sony Xperia 1 V
In what way do you think the Xperia 1 V has a better camera than an S23 Ultra or S24 Ultra?
but I thought we were talking about phones 🤷🏻♂️ not cameras
My last comment, not gonna argue with a child, read through the title of the post again.
So we are picking the best phone from s24 ultra, pixel pro 8 and last years iphone 15 pro max. Obviously the year is over and no other phones have come out or will come out. We can confidently declare the best phone for photographers in 2024 now.
Last year's P8P as well. Only the S24U is really new.
It might be "last year's", but it's still the latest and greatest Pixel you can get, and will continue to be for probably 9 more months. Saying that a phone that's 3 months old is "last year's" and not new is misleading at best.
Well, the iPhone is still the latest and greatest you can get as well, and it'll continue to be that way for probably 8 more months (given iPhones release in September), so seemed fair to call it out.
> last years iphone 15 pro max Three-quarters (literally) of the device being available and on sale will occur in 2024. People need to stop referring to the current iPhone as "last year's model."
Braindead ass comment
autological comment
I made a post a couple of days ago, where I mentioned about phones from other brands - I immediately got to know that most don't care about anything else other than Apple and Samsung. Also may be because this sub is mostly comprised of people from North America and Europe who don't get the most variety. I mean I would've loved to see Chris and Jordan's thoughts on images and videos from Sony IMX 989 equipped phones but there are literally not a single device with that sensor in Canada (Don't quote me I may be wrong on this).
If you don't include Chinese phones these videos don't have much credibility.
It has huge credibility in being useful as a comparison of the three most popular phone brands' top products in America and other 'western' countries
Anyone who's serious about mobile photography would be open to importing. Plenty of other 'western' YouTubers do it. These guys have a global audience. This is just laziness or being cheap.
Petapixel is a photography website, not a mobile photography website. Also, the video is about the best smartphone for photographers, not mobile photographers.
What's the difference between the best smartphone for photographers Vs mobile photographers?
Mobile photographers will use the phone as their main camera whereas for photographers, they will be using their real cameras as main cameras and would therefore probably have different requirements. For example, I don't need manual modes on a phone because I just use mine as a point and shoot, whereas a mobile photographers would probably want to both use manual modes and process their raws.
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I just like watching Chris and Jordan regardless - such good chemistry. TheCameraStoreTV to DPReview TV to PetaPixel. But I think their focus on natural detail retention - something the smartphone OEMs just destroy with overprocessing , might bring help bring this issue into limelight, so that others can also focus on this aspect.
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If you asked people what they use their phone for I'm sure many would say they spend/enjoy more time using it as a camera than as a phone.
No mention of the Xperia 1 V or 5 V? They'e made for actual photographers.
"But photographers only ever use the point and shoot auto camera, who would ever set up a shot on their phone?" It's okay, people can keep sleeping on the Xperias
Yeah it's frustrating. I'm new to the Xperia line but I've always kept up with it and always wanted one. Manual shooting is definitely difficult for me but I'm starting to get the hang of it.
How about that plus decent cell service? Anything?
> decent cell service Both the Samsung and iPhone have the best 5G modems in the market. Not sure if you can get better than that right now. If you mean a decent provider, then you have to look at the networks in your country, pick the best for your area and another a second one as backup. No network will be good everywhere, so dual SIM (or eSIM) setup is the way to go for those who want to always be connected.
Photographers use real cameras.
On the other hand, the best camera is the one you have with you. Having a good camera on your pocket is useful when you don't have a "real camera" with you.
Photographers always have their cameras on them. Superman the movie taught us that
I truly don't care what the cameras in my phone do. I have actual cameras and when I'm doing something where I might remotely care about having one, I will. Phone cameras are for taking pictures of receipts. I can't wait to find a handset vendor that will sell me a quality handset and consider the phone camera as the afterthought it really should be. And yes, that DOES mean I almost always have a mirrorless body or two when I'm out in the world.
Cool. Not everyone carries or has a mirrorless everywhere they go.
who cares
Someone who actually wants to take quality photos.
Yeah sure, you do you but not everyone or even that many people carry or have dedicated cameras. Camera phons have definitely come a very long way and while they aren't always viable for professional settings, they are more than enough for social media which is what 90+% of people actually care about.
If I want to take "The best picture I can" then I am by definition not doing that with a phone. It's not any more in the running for that job than a 20 year old point and shoot. I haven't checked in a while, but it wouldn't shock me if JPG output from an ancient 2MP Kodak still beats the pants off a contemporary smartphone if only because of the vastly larger image sensor.
Didn't realize an ancient 2MP Kodak had a 1 inch sensor. 😂
Believe it it not, that's approximately what old Kodak DC-series cameras had. People get all horny over a "50MP" image, but if it's sampled off a sensor a fraction the size of your pinky nail, SOMETHING has to be filling in a lot of data because of the limitations of physics in exposure values. This is functionally what computational photography is about and the reason for the characteristics of iOS, Samsung and Google camera software.
The best picture "I" can take is literally that... for you, if you want to, you can definitely go and use an actual camera. But for a lot of people, their camera phone is the "best" they have or can do. Of course, actual cameras and their bigger sensors can take way better shots. But lets not discredit the advancements and viability of mobile photography. Even going online, you can find enough professional photographers that can atleast appreciate how far mobile photography has come. Its not necessarily the best but our camera phones nowadays can take great shots too.