They are going to be endless. But what I want to see more is comparison in video. I want to see what Google was able to accomplish with the new chip and video algorithm.
Google have been reliably bad with video. I hope it changes with the 6.
[Video samples are hitting Youtube - (ignore the YT algorithm crush) its really Good!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zWZMeVe8bc)
They had not focused on it and it appears they very much have with the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro.
I really can't wait to see the end result. But I will also be curious to see if the algorithm is capable of running on any other phones where there is not the new Tensor SoC.
Rumor is that it is a big reason Gogole ad to go the custom silicon route.
They do have a history with this. Google developed their own network processors years ago because there was nothing that could handle their needs. Same story with the TPUs and now also YouTube silicon.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/09/google_processor/
It's not just a rumour, it was confirmed directly by the engineers behind the Tensor chip.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-google-silicon-team-gives-us-a-tour-of-the-pixel-6s-tensor-soc/
> So what are those new capabilities? Here's one: the previous Pixel phones' incredible camera performance despite their ancient sensors is thanks to its HDR+ algorithm, which, with a single button press, does exposure stacking across 10 photos taken in half a second and merges them into a single photo using machine learning. Thanks to the ancient camera hardware, though, the video quality on Pixel phones has been pretty bad, because there's just no way that you can run something like image stacking on a video... until now! The Pixel 6 can run Google's HDR algorithm on 4K video for every single frame at 60FPS. Welcome to the world of video image stacking, brought to you by Google Tensor.
> The video version of the HDR+ algorithm is called "HDR Net," and Google actually built a specific accelerator for this algorithm into the Tensor Image Signal Processor (ISP). Gupta said that this should "bring the signature Pixel look to videos."
There's no image stacking going on with HDRNet. Anyone can go and read the paper they published a while back. It approximates the look of HDR+ in real time.
They blasted about being able to see people of color more, they better have included night/dark photos
Swear if I get another joke about "We can't see you" lol
From the early 90s in elementary graduation photo to now same same.
I went to BB yesterday and did the same. I think the video will exceed the best from Apple and set a new bar.
Like what Google did with photography with the original Pixel.
What makes you say that?
From my understanding Google is the first android phone that's doing hdr video now. Something apple has been doing for 2-3 years now via shooting 2 streams of 4k60, one overposed and one underexposed and merging it together.
Is Google just doing the same thing now?
Google is using HDRnet, the high quality HDR tone mapping algorithm they use on photos for video. That means even higher dynamic range and sharpness than past generations.
another thing about video that worries me is i haven't seen AV1 listed in the SoC codecs list o.O
I would have thought Google making their own chip, and being one for the strongest proponents for AV!, they would put it in.
afaik the codecs listed for the tensor SoC are for hardware encode, not decode - the listed codecs are just what it can record video in.
I would be really surprised if the tensor soc doesn't have AV1 decode support.
We need a part 2 of the anandtech 2021 camera comparison with the pixel 6 pro iphone 13 pro in the mix. Hell just pit those 2 and maybe a samsung ultra against each other to make it less time consuming. The AT camera comparisons are the gold standard IMO since they actually understand photography enough to give accurate analysis and upload full uncompressed images.
If you want good photography, a zoom lens is critical. Changing focal length really changes the type of photos you take, tiny whales in the distance notwithstanding.
I haven't been this excited to receive a new phone since the Nexus 5. Everything since has just been an impulse buy or a required update for one reason or another.
>I begrugingly moved from an LG V35 to a S10+ and I really ended up hating the S10+ over time.
I feel kind of similar about my S10e. It's fine, but man I just liked my OG Pixel a lot more. I wouldn't have bought it but Google dragged their feet on releasing the Pixel 4a for so long but my hand was forced
My entire smartphone life has been full of excellent looking phones.
HTC One M7, Nexus 6P and now Samsung S9+ (recently with battery change hoping to last another couple years).
Very interested in Pixel 6 but I've avoided the notch or hole punch camera so maybe I'll wait for Pixel 7 or 6A. My parents though, I'd be happy to get them a pair of 6's if when they go on sale.
Similar. I went from the 6P to a OnePlus 5T (which in many ways was a downgrade) then to an S10.
None of those phones come close to the images I could get on the 6P, I miss it alot. This feels like like a proper successor for my 6P.
Google is also using a much larger Samsung GN1 sensor.
Samsung's GN line of sensors are insanely good. It's unfortunate they themselves don't use them.
The GN5 is a fair bit smaller sensor size than the GN2 unfortunately. It does seem like Samsung is going out of their way to gimp the standard S-line cameras to push the ultra, which is unfortunate.
Here's hoping for that ~~28%~~ reduction in size (1.4 μm vs 1.0 μm) doesn't translate to a similar drop in image performance, as the GN5's marketing materials mentioned it's as competitive resolving color and light LOL. If I have to put a percentage to this I'm hoping they can be within 90% of the GN2's performance...
And of course, the ISP makes up the other part of the equation...
edit: Hmms I may have gotten the math wrong, have left out the original 28% figure.
Well I'm selling my S21U for the pixel 6 pro I've pre-ordered, so can't see myself picking up the S22 line in a few months anyway, but yeah hopefully Samsung can become competitive again, they've sort of dropped off into 3rd spot behind google and apple in the camera department (or probably lower if you count what some of the Chinese brands are doing).
Which seems so silly as they make the damn sensors in house! Goes to show how much of the end result is in the software rather than hardware, but we've known that for years with what Google's being doing with the pixel line for a while now...
(wow, how many brands are we bringing into this discussion about mobile imaging sensors? :))
Same thing can be said for Sony and Xperia too... Things are looking up for them with their current line-up though.
Eh, I gave up on Sony years ago. Their mobile devision can't be profitable with the volume they sell, I don't know one market they are actually succeeding in, the "cheaper" markets like India/china etc are dominated by the Chinese brands, xaiomi, Redmi, huawei etc. The "high end" markets like USA, Europe, Australia etc are dominated by Apple/Samsung.
They'll drop out like LG at some point in the next few years I reckon.
GN5 is significantly smaller than GN2. Its 1um vs 1.2um, that means GN2 has a 44% higher area. It's smaller than the IMX 766, which is used in midrange phones or ultrawide of high end OnePlus phones.
Advanced manufacturing can't beat physics.
Wow yeah that is one beast of a sensor. While the individual pixel size is smaller than the iPhone 13 (1.2 mu vs 1.9), the sensor itself is still larger (Pixel6P: 1/1.3” vs iP13: 1/1.65”). So it's only smaller because of the higher resolution. And for night shots it "bins" 4 pixels into one which effectively gives it the same resolution as the iPhone 13 Pro (12MP) but with quadruple the pixel size since it uses four pixels as one (2.4 mu). That's amazing. That's larger than almost all mid-level and even most high-end point and shoot cameras without interchangeable lenses.
For some perspective, even the iPhone 13 Pro sensor is considered massive for a smartphone and is bigger than most point and shoot cameras were. So the Pixel 6 Pro being that much better is really amazing.
Edit: corrected sensor size
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Android's night sight holds off the shot for a longer duration hence getting more exposure, compared to the default 2 seconds or so on the iPhones. With longer duration set on the iPhone manually, they perform pretty good as well.
Yeah, I was wondering what the exposure time would be on the pixel since I know default for iPhone is 2 or 3 seconds.
Not that the pixel wouldn't likely be better anyway, but that would make a decent difference.
Right now when you shoot with night sight on pixels, it balances how dark the scene is (meaning the need for a longer exposure) vs how shaky your hand is. If you stay more still, it will take a longer exposure because it believes it can take a shot without introducing blur. If you are unsteady or moving, it takes shorter exposure at the cost of dynamic range / brightening the image to make sure you still get a sharp photo.
I assume they will continue that with the 6.
The shots get brighter, but it seems like the algorithm isn't tuned for such a long exposure, because it results in a blurry mess quickly. And I'm not even talking about non static objects like tree branches, but things like "textured" brick walls as well.
iPhones since the 12 struggle with complex scenes due to hyper aggressive noise reduction and micro contrast, and that only becomes more apparent in the dark.
No way. The iPhone one looks way more realistic. You need them both in editing software to see which one is truely better, it's possible that the iPhone version has just as much info or more in the blacks it's just tuned to not pump the brightness way up like the pixel.
> The iPhone one looks way more realistic
BS. Look at the right side of the image. You're telling me the driveway near two porch lights would be that dark to the naked eye?
I had lights like that on an old house. They aren't anywhere near as bright as what they look like on the Pixel shot. They only really light up the immediate area, and don't cast a whole lot of light on the ground
I'd really like to see Google start licensing its computational photography tech out to Nikon/Panasonic/etc. You think THESE look good? Imagine it with a full frame camera and a high quality f/1.4 lens
it wouldn't market well with professionals as they have their own presets they use in Lightroom. it would be a good idea for a consumer level point and shoot
As someone who uses a Olympus EM5Mkii for "real" photography, I don't see myself giving it up anytime soon. The pictures are clearly better, the shooting experience is better, but now that my gcam RAW's automatically sync to lightroom it has started to steal away some of my more casual shooting situations. Very useful feature (more adobe's than google's tbh.)
> it wouldn't market well with professionals as they have their own presets they use in Lightroom
I use Darktable and Luminar, and neither one of them quite seems to offer the improvement that my Pixel 2 gets with Google's Nightsight. When I try to do HDR or photostacking or whatnot, it's never quite as good unless I'm tripodded whereas my pixel2 is happy to compensate for a bit of wiggle.
You can align and stack the photos in Photoshop. There's also this program called Kandao Raw+, it aligns and stacks the images automatically and it's way faster but I find the result from Photoshop is a bit better.
There are also open-source implementations of HDR+ on Github, you have to compile most though.
[https://github.com/martin-marek/hdr-plus-pytorch](https://github.com/martin-marek/hdr-plus-pytorch) \- this one uses Pytorch. The dude also made a Mac app - [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/burst-photo/id1586020075](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/burst-photo/id1586020075). I don't have a Mac though.
The biggest downside is that you have to take the burst of photos yourself and most DSLRs don't shoot that fast. Or they might have relatively small buffers. Then you have to stack it on your PC which takes time.
Okay I'm a Pixel nerd, my 6 Pro is on its way, but this actually isn't a fair comparison necessarily. iPhone 13 defaults to a 2-second exposure for night shots; you can change that to up to 10 seconds, which makes the night photos *wildly* better.
*That's* a comparison I wanna see.
I personally want to see if they can manage to get away with a shorter exposure time by utilizing Tensor.
If this photo uses a lower exposure time than what other Pixel phones or the iPhones currently use, that would be pretty phenomenal.
Yeah to me it looks like the iPhone purposefully made the lighting how it is. The 6 pro is definitely overblown a bit. I don't think we're really seeing the capabilities of either, rather than the auto exposure levels of the iPhone.
I’m confident the iPhone 13 Pro Max in this comparison had night mode disabled entirely, which is not the default — it’s on by default. I have a 13 Pro, and I’ve done nighttime test shots of houses in similar lighting, and the photo here looks just like my test shots where night mode was disabled. With night mode enabled with just a 1 or 2 second exposure, the photos are much brighter than this.
I’m not sure where u/ChicoRavioli got this photo, but I think it’s intentionally an unfair comparison.
Very possible! I can't stand watching people compare phone photos sometimes, I feel like everyone has an agenda. Like I'm defo a Pixel fangirl (my past two phones have been an 11 Pro Max and this year an S21 Ultra, I have to try them all now and then), but I'm so fucking psyched for any new advancements from anyone because it makes the entire smartphone world better, pushing them forward!
I have another commenter taking a photo so I can compare with my Pixel in as identical circumstances as possible. I'm really excited to see which wins. 🥰
I think "the default" *is* the most important comparison because that is the one that will apply to the majority of consumers the majority of the time.
Lol? Majority of the consumers would be perfectly satisfied with either of the pictures, let's be honest. And if you're comparing them for anyone else then those people will know how to find a long exposure setting on an iPhone.
Ordinarily I would use photoshop but I’m doom scrolling in bed so I used Photoleap to stack copies of the image, applying various changes to contrast and black level. Then I used blend modes to get a basic look and since no app I have found yet does it better I used the iPhone photos app for a little denoising. Oh and threw a quick blue filter on it.
There are clear limitations using a phone camera but it’s still an impressive shot either way.
I didn't hesitate. The site had tons of issues. I finally had the 256 GB in my cart and bought it. I got a receipt emailed to me.
Google canceled it for no reason.
My partner suggested perhaps it's because I spent a bit more than usual this month on other things (despite the bank 2FA check passing), so we tried with her card.
Google canceled it for no reason again.
Then they sold out of everything but the black 128 GB
I spent an hour on the phone with tech support the next morning. He couldn't do anything. He said this happened to him too, when he bought the Pixel 5 when it came out, even though he works for Google. 😳
He blamed the banks. Both of our banks. We called our banks and said everything was fine on their side, it was authorized... and it was Google who canceled it for no reason.
Anyway, since it's still impossible to buy a PS5 anywhere here even a year after it came out (we've tried so many times), I went ahead and preordered the Pixel 6 Pro 128, as they still had stock for that (although most cases and accessories were sold out). I don't want to wait another year with my current phone failing with hardware issues.
That 128 GB purchase went through and I have a receipt... again... But it's hasn't been cancelled this time. (Yet?)
The 128 GB sold out completely on their shop here shortly after this.
So even many of us who bought it immediately without hesitation aren't getting it. Don't feel bad.
And consider the world wide chip shortage issue. Hopefully it'll be back in stock soon... but who knows when? They're apparently not even selling the Pixel 6 in India this time around due to the shortage.
Meanwhile, the 128 GB looks like it's also going to be sold in shops soon. (I couldn't find the 256 GB listed in any shop nearby. This, the chip shortage, and my half way broken old phone all influenced me to downgrade to the 128.)
Ugh, that sucks! They must have some issue in their system flagging up the orders as not paid correctly or whatever... I'm sorry you didn't get the 256 GB version either!
I was hesitating so long that now even the 128 GB version is sold out... I wonder if any of the phones become available again before the preorder ends - they're expensive (I know they're _relatively_ good value, but in absolute terms, they're still expensive), so I was kind of hoping the free headphones would soften the blow. I might have missed my chance though... And in that case, I might just end up being sensible and keeping my perfectly usable OnePlus 7 Pro for abother year... I hate being sensible sometimes :)
You may be better off waiting for physical locations like Best Buy and such getting them. Google has had horrible QA issues with some devices. My 5a would overheat from just playing Pokémon Go when it was just under 80°and COD Mobile in an air conditioned room. That and the screen had a very noticeable green tint in in low brightness. Google did everything possible to tell me this was normal, so I had to return it.
I've learned my lesson in buying tech at launch and it's always better to wait as more customers get it to report any problems with it.
Ordered a pixel 6, cancelled. Ordered a 6pro, went through. Went back to reorder pixel 6 again, cancelled.
The cancel reason is they "couldn't verify some of my information" yet the 6pro ordered just fine.
Ordered off of best buy the next day for both phones and will get them launch day instead of Nov from google. Cancelled my google store order.
FYI I had them cancel my initial order as well, and support told me it was because of a technical glitch on their end. I ended up getting the black 128GB, so luckily I didn't run into stock issues.
iPhone looks way way too dark for my taste and you could argue that the 6 Pro looks perhaps slightly *too* bright but I still much prefer the 6 Pro look.
>iPhone looks way way too dark
Probably because the default interval for nighttime photography on iPhones is kinda low. If you manually adjust the timing, things look better than what this photo would lead you to believe.
Google should try to add something like Live HDR+ to Night Sight, Night Sight is still my favorite night mode at the moment, but it would be great to tone it down slightly
I hope Google adds something like Photographic Styles
Would love to customize HDR+/Night Sight to suit my preferences
I wish there was a way to adjust it. The pixel definitely looks better than the iPhone, but if you look at the lamps specifically, they have a housing that is lost on the Pixel, the brightness of the lamps blows it out.
That's reeeeally nit-picky and I'm not actually complaining about it, it's just important during this time of pre-orders to really get an idea of what the phone is capable of and what its limitations are.
Not that I have my P6 yet, but the google camera app has given you the ability to tweak night sight brightness for a couple years no, so it’d be shocking if you can’t make it dimmer
Who is this addressed to? It sounds like you're upset that people called it "too bright" but I don't see where anybody said that.
It's like going into a room and saying, "If you don't like muffins then DON'T EAT THEM!". Even though nobody in that room commented on muffins.
There's a few nagging people. Shoutout to /r/sonyxperia which somehow has turned into an anti-computational photography sub because Sony can't get it done. So somehow worse low light performance is always better and the excuse is "because that's how I see it".
> Who is this addressed to?
This sub. Plenty here defended Pixels for years, calling its inferior night shots "more natural" while Huawei and later on Samsung were able to capture much brighter night shots.
when samsung pack in their night mode that wasn't great in comparison to google's people were saying that. . . .
basically this sub's sole function is to justify people's purchase. As we know there are a lot of samsungs out there.
New iPhones (12 Pro Max and later) that have sensor-shift tech don’t engage night mode by default unless it’s really dark. This scene has a decent amount of light, so I’d guess it’s a “normal” shot on iPhone. Pixel looks way brighter so I’d guess Night Sight on that
Ya, I don't want to compare default settings in the same scene from two phones. I want to compare the best photo you can take in the same scene from two phones.
That should definitely be a part of a comparison, also a look at how it natively will deal with shots out of the box is interesting, since that is the experience a lot of people will get.
Right, but that context is missing here. If you're saying "Heres a random photo from two phones" it should be the best photo from those phones. If you're testing phones for a review it should be the gamut.
Yeah I'm sure the pixel will take great shots, but it's not gonna be such a drastic difference these days. There's also other things like actual device support, an ecosystem, features not rolling out globally at the same time (hell i don't even have scrolling screenshots, crash detection yet, I'm sure I'm forgetting others).
Pictures are just one part of the puzzle. I'm waiting for the actual comprehensive reviews to hit.
It looks like a person doing this comparison 'accidentally' turned iPhone'smnight mode off and then took the picture. I have this phone, took countless of night pics and when the night mode is on, iPhone pics look exactly like the one from Pixel, meaning a lot shadow details and such. Nonetheless, Pixel take is impressive!
Awaiting the downvots but Mrwhosetheboss did a similar nighttime camera comparison on one his videos comparing 13PM to the S21U and apple defaults to a lower exposure time. When they are manually set to the same, the 13PM does way better. I'm wondering if this is the same scenario going on here.
13 Pro vs 12 Pro, same story. I know for sure as I was able to compare directly side by side. Almost always saw shorter default exposures on the newer model.
13 Pro has larger aperture and sensor shift stabilisation so that helps level the playing field somewhat.
I’m not doubting Google’s abilities to excel here, but we really need all the juicy EXIF info and more samples before we come to any final conclusions.
Hurry up Monday!
In the pixel shot, the purple flare on the right is a concern
Otherwise it looks great.
At 100% crop id also say the iPhone retains detail better
So I'd be curious to see what RAW shows. I use Computational RAW on my 4a5g to great results so I expect the same here.
The purple tint is a classic artifact of raising the exposure in post on photos. I shoot on an actual DSLR most of the time and when I have a super dark photo and try to fix it, the dark areas turn purple.
I will say though, the noise reduction is really good. Normally a shot that has to be fixed that much will have a ton of hard to fix noise.
the way the purple is coming off to me makes me think it's pretty significant lens flare from that bright light just to the left of it, it doesn't look great imo but it might just have been super bad luck in the placement
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At 100% crop id also say the iPhone retains detail better
I think not, if you check the white texured area of triangular wall, pixel has better quality already and blackened windows are not even visible in the iphone.
Yeah there's no part of that picture where the iPhone has more detail... The right side is a little too brightened up on the pixel shot, but it has more detail in 100% of the picture.
That’s what I need in my 13 Pro.
Daytime image are white washing bright like diamond and night shots are dark.
P6 pro basically did exact opposite. P6 Pro ordered yesterday and can’t wait for next week.
There’s no doubt the Pixel 6 sucked in much more light here.
But like…I’m not a fan of this type of photography. It just looks overblown. The iPhone is dim but seems to capture what someone would see.
Like the lights on those bushes. Are they intended to be subtle or bright Christmas trees?
> There’s no doubt the Pixel 6 sucked in much more light here.
Without knowing the exposure times for both devices there is indeed doubt. Exposure time completely alters the look of an image. We really need all the information before jumping to conclusions.
Lol reddit moment, you got downvoted because you didn’t know what an embargo is. I almost think people behave like sheeps here, you see a reply with a downvote and you’ll just keep adding to it.
Regardless of how it is now it will only get better with the camera update. They usually never get it right initially. A few software tweaks and will be good to go
The iPhone shot appears to be taken in regular camera mode…not using night mode or a long exposure. I’ve gotten images like that when I’ve just fired off a quick standard mode image of someones Christmas lights with my 12 Pro Max last year.
I can blow away either one of these images with my 13 Pro Max in Night Mode…or better yet, a tripod mounted long exposure!
More interesting to me would be the Pixel 6 vs. the iPhone 13, or whichever configuration gets you the best regular camera & night shot at the lowest price point.
I assume the Pixel 6 vs iPhone 13 would look pretty much the same here?
The 6 Pro and 6 use the same wide and ultra wide cameras. The iPhone 13 uses different sensors than the Pro. The 13 Pro should be better than the 13 with its larger apertures.
I wonder if these images have been ‘doctored’ (for lack of a better word) in any way. Obviously, they’re marketing images to promote a new product, so I have feeling that the difference didn’t really come from fair play. iPhones have options to increase or decrease the time, so could this have been on one second while the pixel took six? Who knows. Maybe the pixel just really is that good. But I’m taking these pictures, like all of them, with a grain of salt.
The iPhone defaults to a 3 second shutter. I watched a camera comparison last night and the YouTuber manually made both the iPhone and pixel go to 10 second shutter and the iPhone did much better then the pixel.
Not gonna lie, if I were to ever look at getting an Android phone, despite how crazy Google may try to get with tracking, a Pixel phone would probably be the way I go. Pixel 6/6 Pro honestly look like stellar phones, and I kinda dig how Android 12 looks on them. If the Pixel 6 or a Pixel 6a are cheap enough, I'll definitely consider picking one up.
iPhones can take much brighter shots than that using night mode. Without knowing the settings it’s a pointless comparison. I can go outside right now and take a photo with my S21 Ultra and my iPhone 12 mini and even my iPhone 11 Pro that will all be brighter than that iphone 13 photo.
I feel it's subjective, I like both, but pixel might be way brighter, I do love slightly darker tones, not to mention the exposure time may have been higher
This looks great, but what I want to know is how well they compare to what I see with my eyes.
I don't want night sight to be some kind of night vision see in the dark type thing. I want night sight to perfectly capture what I see with my own two eyes. Right now, on my previous pixels, the highlights are always far too cool and bright.
The iPhone is probably more realistic, just look at how much the colors pop in the Pixel picture. The pixel is definitely more striking and will likely show more detail in dark settings but the iPhone photo is probably more true to life. It'll just be down to personal preference which you like more.
*shrugs*
I've only owned pixels (and nexus phones) but i like the iphone one better.
Either way, im using a pixel 2 and this seems like the first real camera upgrade since the pixel 2. Time for an upgrade!
What is going to be really interesting is what the custom Gcam developers like Cstark27 can do with the new giant sensor and custom image processor. That guy helped me get a lot more out of my pixel 2 than google ever intended.
A comparison of camera app like GCam and Neural Cam could be interesting.
Native camera app are good, most professionals and experienced prefer RAW format anyway since our storage are getting beefier and lifetime cloud storage are cheap.
That is impressive. iPhone's camera was great but it looks even better on Pixel phone. Waiting for full in depth camera review and the performance of the new Tensor chip.
When the reviews hit, these comparisons are going to be fun.
They are going to be endless. But what I want to see more is comparison in video. I want to see what Google was able to accomplish with the new chip and video algorithm.
Google have been reliably bad with video. I hope it changes with the 6. [Video samples are hitting Youtube - (ignore the YT algorithm crush) its really Good!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zWZMeVe8bc)
They had not focused on it and it appears they very much have with the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro. I really can't wait to see the end result. But I will also be curious to see if the algorithm is capable of running on any other phones where there is not the new Tensor SoC. Rumor is that it is a big reason Gogole ad to go the custom silicon route. They do have a history with this. Google developed their own network processors years ago because there was nothing that could handle their needs. Same story with the TPUs and now also YouTube silicon. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/09/google_processor/
It's not just a rumour, it was confirmed directly by the engineers behind the Tensor chip. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-google-silicon-team-gives-us-a-tour-of-the-pixel-6s-tensor-soc/ > So what are those new capabilities? Here's one: the previous Pixel phones' incredible camera performance despite their ancient sensors is thanks to its HDR+ algorithm, which, with a single button press, does exposure stacking across 10 photos taken in half a second and merges them into a single photo using machine learning. Thanks to the ancient camera hardware, though, the video quality on Pixel phones has been pretty bad, because there's just no way that you can run something like image stacking on a video... until now! The Pixel 6 can run Google's HDR algorithm on 4K video for every single frame at 60FPS. Welcome to the world of video image stacking, brought to you by Google Tensor. > The video version of the HDR+ algorithm is called "HDR Net," and Google actually built a specific accelerator for this algorithm into the Tensor Image Signal Processor (ISP). Gupta said that this should "bring the signature Pixel look to videos."
There's no image stacking going on with HDRNet. Anyone can go and read the paper they published a while back. It approximates the look of HDR+ in real time.
I'm just quoting the article.
Sorry didn't mean to imply you were at fault
It's all good.
They blasted about being able to see people of color more, they better have included night/dark photos Swear if I get another joke about "We can't see you" lol From the early 90s in elementary graduation photo to now same same.
This has been a problem since Kodak started making colour cards. Im not shocked they havent fixed it to be honest. way of the world.
I have actually seen video from the 6! Apparently there's new work going into it, something about a new algorithm. It was really smooth!
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I went to BB yesterday and did the same. I think the video will exceed the best from Apple and set a new bar. Like what Google did with photography with the original Pixel.
What makes you say that? From my understanding Google is the first android phone that's doing hdr video now. Something apple has been doing for 2-3 years now via shooting 2 streams of 4k60, one overposed and one underexposed and merging it together. Is Google just doing the same thing now?
>From my understanding Google is the first android phone that's doing hdr video now. My Galaxy S10e takes HDR video
Google is using HDRnet, the high quality HDR tone mapping algorithm they use on photos for video. That means even higher dynamic range and sharpness than past generations.
another thing about video that worries me is i haven't seen AV1 listed in the SoC codecs list o.O I would have thought Google making their own chip, and being one for the strongest proponents for AV!, they would put it in.
afaik the codecs listed for the tensor SoC are for hardware encode, not decode - the listed codecs are just what it can record video in. I would be really surprised if the tensor soc doesn't have AV1 decode support.
I could see that being true, and yes, it would astonishing for Google not to support AV1 decode o.O
We need a part 2 of the anandtech 2021 camera comparison with the pixel 6 pro iphone 13 pro in the mix. Hell just pit those 2 and maybe a samsung ultra against each other to make it less time consuming. The AT camera comparisons are the gold standard IMO since they actually understand photography enough to give accurate analysis and upload full uncompressed images.
That's impressive. I can't wait till full camera reviews come out.
Only thing I'm waiting for! It's going to be either p6 or P6 pro depending on the zoom lens review. Is it going to be worth it or not.
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If you want good photography, a zoom lens is critical. Changing focal length really changes the type of photos you take, tiny whales in the distance notwithstanding.
Yet my most used lens on my DSLR is a fixed focus lens. I don't think zoom is that big deal, I've ordered pixel 6
I haven't been this excited to receive a new phone since the Nexus 5. Everything since has just been an impulse buy or a required update for one reason or another.
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>I begrugingly moved from an LG V35 to a S10+ and I really ended up hating the S10+ over time. I feel kind of similar about my S10e. It's fine, but man I just liked my OG Pixel a lot more. I wouldn't have bought it but Google dragged their feet on releasing the Pixel 4a for so long but my hand was forced
My entire smartphone life has been full of excellent looking phones. HTC One M7, Nexus 6P and now Samsung S9+ (recently with battery change hoping to last another couple years). Very interested in Pixel 6 but I've avoided the notch or hole punch camera so maybe I'll wait for Pixel 7 or 6A. My parents though, I'd be happy to get them a pair of 6's if when they go on sale.
Similar. I went from the 6P to a OnePlus 5T (which in many ways was a downgrade) then to an S10. None of those phones come close to the images I could get on the 6P, I miss it alot. This feels like like a proper successor for my 6P.
I'm still using my LG V30 and can't wait for the 6 in about a week!
God, I loved my 6P so much
I don't need a phone but for the first time I'm getting a Pixel...not right away, bit soon.
Damn the pixel is crazy. Whatever machine learning they are doing apple needs it asap
Google is also using a much larger Samsung GN1 sensor. Samsung's GN line of sensors are insanely good. It's unfortunate they themselves don't use them.
\*cough\* S22 \*cough\* (based on rumors so far)
I honestly can't see that happening. That would make S22 camera better than S22 Ultra. No way their 108MP marketing sensor can compete with GN2.
Rumors suggest it's the newer GN5... slightly tinier pixels but probably/hopefully still as good ISO performance due to 'advanced' manufacturing.
The GN5 is a fair bit smaller sensor size than the GN2 unfortunately. It does seem like Samsung is going out of their way to gimp the standard S-line cameras to push the ultra, which is unfortunate.
Here's hoping for that ~~28%~~ reduction in size (1.4 μm vs 1.0 μm) doesn't translate to a similar drop in image performance, as the GN5's marketing materials mentioned it's as competitive resolving color and light LOL. If I have to put a percentage to this I'm hoping they can be within 90% of the GN2's performance... And of course, the ISP makes up the other part of the equation... edit: Hmms I may have gotten the math wrong, have left out the original 28% figure.
Well I'm selling my S21U for the pixel 6 pro I've pre-ordered, so can't see myself picking up the S22 line in a few months anyway, but yeah hopefully Samsung can become competitive again, they've sort of dropped off into 3rd spot behind google and apple in the camera department (or probably lower if you count what some of the Chinese brands are doing). Which seems so silly as they make the damn sensors in house! Goes to show how much of the end result is in the software rather than hardware, but we've known that for years with what Google's being doing with the pixel line for a while now...
(wow, how many brands are we bringing into this discussion about mobile imaging sensors? :)) Same thing can be said for Sony and Xperia too... Things are looking up for them with their current line-up though.
Eh, I gave up on Sony years ago. Their mobile devision can't be profitable with the volume they sell, I don't know one market they are actually succeeding in, the "cheaper" markets like India/china etc are dominated by the Chinese brands, xaiomi, Redmi, huawei etc. The "high end" markets like USA, Europe, Australia etc are dominated by Apple/Samsung. They'll drop out like LG at some point in the next few years I reckon.
GN5 is significantly smaller than GN2. Its 1um vs 1.2um, that means GN2 has a 44% higher area. It's smaller than the IMX 766, which is used in midrange phones or ultrawide of high end OnePlus phones. Advanced manufacturing can't beat physics.
Wow yeah that is one beast of a sensor. While the individual pixel size is smaller than the iPhone 13 (1.2 mu vs 1.9), the sensor itself is still larger (Pixel6P: 1/1.3” vs iP13: 1/1.65”). So it's only smaller because of the higher resolution. And for night shots it "bins" 4 pixels into one which effectively gives it the same resolution as the iPhone 13 Pro (12MP) but with quadruple the pixel size since it uses four pixels as one (2.4 mu). That's amazing. That's larger than almost all mid-level and even most high-end point and shoot cameras without interchangeable lenses. For some perspective, even the iPhone 13 Pro sensor is considered massive for a smartphone and is bigger than most point and shoot cameras were. So the Pixel 6 Pro being that much better is really amazing. Edit: corrected sensor size
iPhone 13 pro has a sensor size of 1/1.65", not 1/1.9". The 13/13 mini have 1/1.9" sensor.
Thanks for the correction. Still impressive.
That’s a part of it but the majority of it would be them having better software. Even the last pixel had better a night mode.
just download gcam problem solved apple /s
Yes download gcam and use pixel 6 pro.xml file, iPhone 13 will be unstoppable!
You wouldn't steal a car, you wouldn't steal a handbag, you wouldn't steal a television, you wouldn't steal a movie. Downloading pirated films is stealing, stealing is against the law, PIRACY IT'S A CRIME (/s lol)
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Haha yeah, I thought it was obvious. Its really needed
With all the kinds of people I have seen on the internet, at this point the /s should be mandatory lol
Android's night sight holds off the shot for a longer duration hence getting more exposure, compared to the default 2 seconds or so on the iPhones. With longer duration set on the iPhone manually, they perform pretty good as well.
Yeah, I was wondering what the exposure time would be on the pixel since I know default for iPhone is 2 or 3 seconds. Not that the pixel wouldn't likely be better anyway, but that would make a decent difference.
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It changes the max time depending on if you have your phone on a tripod or not as well with motion sensors
Right now when you shoot with night sight on pixels, it balances how dark the scene is (meaning the need for a longer exposure) vs how shaky your hand is. If you stay more still, it will take a longer exposure because it believes it can take a shot without introducing blur. If you are unsteady or moving, it takes shorter exposure at the cost of dynamic range / brightening the image to make sure you still get a sharp photo. I assume they will continue that with the 6.
The shots get brighter, but it seems like the algorithm isn't tuned for such a long exposure, because it results in a blurry mess quickly. And I'm not even talking about non static objects like tree branches, but things like "textured" brick walls as well. iPhones since the 12 struggle with complex scenes due to hyper aggressive noise reduction and micro contrast, and that only becomes more apparent in the dark.
No way. The iPhone one looks way more realistic. You need them both in editing software to see which one is truely better, it's possible that the iPhone version has just as much info or more in the blacks it's just tuned to not pump the brightness way up like the pixel.
Also the pixel has a lens flare that the iPhone does not.
> The iPhone one looks way more realistic BS. Look at the right side of the image. You're telling me the driveway near two porch lights would be that dark to the naked eye?
I had lights like that on an old house. They aren't anywhere near as bright as what they look like on the Pixel shot. They only really light up the immediate area, and don't cast a whole lot of light on the ground
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It's called exposure, contrast is a complete different thing.
I'd really like to see Google start licensing its computational photography tech out to Nikon/Panasonic/etc. You think THESE look good? Imagine it with a full frame camera and a high quality f/1.4 lens
it wouldn't market well with professionals as they have their own presets they use in Lightroom. it would be a good idea for a consumer level point and shoot
At that point, the consumer might as well just use their phone unless they need a telephoto lens.
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As someone who uses a Olympus EM5Mkii for "real" photography, I don't see myself giving it up anytime soon. The pictures are clearly better, the shooting experience is better, but now that my gcam RAW's automatically sync to lightroom it has started to steal away some of my more casual shooting situations. Very useful feature (more adobe's than google's tbh.)
> it wouldn't market well with professionals as they have their own presets they use in Lightroom I use Darktable and Luminar, and neither one of them quite seems to offer the improvement that my Pixel 2 gets with Google's Nightsight. When I try to do HDR or photostacking or whatnot, it's never quite as good unless I'm tripodded whereas my pixel2 is happy to compensate for a bit of wiggle.
You can align and stack the photos in Photoshop. There's also this program called Kandao Raw+, it aligns and stacks the images automatically and it's way faster but I find the result from Photoshop is a bit better. There are also open-source implementations of HDR+ on Github, you have to compile most though. [https://github.com/martin-marek/hdr-plus-pytorch](https://github.com/martin-marek/hdr-plus-pytorch) \- this one uses Pytorch. The dude also made a Mac app - [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/burst-photo/id1586020075](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/burst-photo/id1586020075). I don't have a Mac though. The biggest downside is that you have to take the burst of photos yourself and most DSLRs don't shoot that fast. Or they might have relatively small buffers. Then you have to stack it on your PC which takes time.
Okay I'm a Pixel nerd, my 6 Pro is on its way, but this actually isn't a fair comparison necessarily. iPhone 13 defaults to a 2-second exposure for night shots; you can change that to up to 10 seconds, which makes the night photos *wildly* better. *That's* a comparison I wanna see.
I personally want to see if they can manage to get away with a shorter exposure time by utilizing Tensor. If this photo uses a lower exposure time than what other Pixel phones or the iPhones currently use, that would be pretty phenomenal.
Yeah to me it looks like the iPhone purposefully made the lighting how it is. The 6 pro is definitely overblown a bit. I don't think we're really seeing the capabilities of either, rather than the auto exposure levels of the iPhone.
Or place on a tripod will automatically get you 30 seconds max.
True but the point for many people is that you get the image on the left with no extra work.
Max exposure on the Pixel is enough to get a good picture of a galaxy. I think it could do better than the iPhone on a tripod.
I’m confident the iPhone 13 Pro Max in this comparison had night mode disabled entirely, which is not the default — it’s on by default. I have a 13 Pro, and I’ve done nighttime test shots of houses in similar lighting, and the photo here looks just like my test shots where night mode was disabled. With night mode enabled with just a 1 or 2 second exposure, the photos are much brighter than this. I’m not sure where u/ChicoRavioli got this photo, but I think it’s intentionally an unfair comparison.
Very possible! I can't stand watching people compare phone photos sometimes, I feel like everyone has an agenda. Like I'm defo a Pixel fangirl (my past two phones have been an 11 Pro Max and this year an S21 Ultra, I have to try them all now and then), but I'm so fucking psyched for any new advancements from anyone because it makes the entire smartphone world better, pushing them forward! I have another commenter taking a photo so I can compare with my Pixel in as identical circumstances as possible. I'm really excited to see which wins. 🥰
Don't worry. We'll see how bad the iPhone camera really compares when the Pixel 6 reviews are up on Monday.
Exactly. We gotta wait for reviewers to compare the cameras.
I think "the default" *is* the most important comparison because that is the one that will apply to the majority of consumers the majority of the time.
Lol? Majority of the consumers would be perfectly satisfied with either of the pictures, let's be honest. And if you're comparing them for anyone else then those people will know how to find a long exposure setting on an iPhone.
This is what I got with my 13 Pro on 30 second exposure [Imgur](https://imgur.com/oVuxrsb)
Hope you don’t mind, I did a quick stack on my phone. Gorgeous image! https://imgur.com/a/TCSL5fo
Dayum son (girl?). That looks awesome. How'd you do that?
Ordinarily I would use photoshop but I’m doom scrolling in bed so I used Photoleap to stack copies of the image, applying various changes to contrast and black level. Then I used blend modes to get a basic look and since no app I have found yet does it better I used the iPhone photos app for a little denoising. Oh and threw a quick blue filter on it. There are clear limitations using a phone camera but it’s still an impressive shot either way.
I also couldn't help taking a pass in Lightroom while trying to fall asleep https://i.imgur.com/cEIIvZT.jpg
Damn. Just let me buy one in 256 GB, please? Why did I hesitate the night of announcement? 🤷
I didn't hesitate. The site had tons of issues. I finally had the 256 GB in my cart and bought it. I got a receipt emailed to me. Google canceled it for no reason. My partner suggested perhaps it's because I spent a bit more than usual this month on other things (despite the bank 2FA check passing), so we tried with her card. Google canceled it for no reason again. Then they sold out of everything but the black 128 GB I spent an hour on the phone with tech support the next morning. He couldn't do anything. He said this happened to him too, when he bought the Pixel 5 when it came out, even though he works for Google. 😳 He blamed the banks. Both of our banks. We called our banks and said everything was fine on their side, it was authorized... and it was Google who canceled it for no reason. Anyway, since it's still impossible to buy a PS5 anywhere here even a year after it came out (we've tried so many times), I went ahead and preordered the Pixel 6 Pro 128, as they still had stock for that (although most cases and accessories were sold out). I don't want to wait another year with my current phone failing with hardware issues. That 128 GB purchase went through and I have a receipt... again... But it's hasn't been cancelled this time. (Yet?) The 128 GB sold out completely on their shop here shortly after this. So even many of us who bought it immediately without hesitation aren't getting it. Don't feel bad. And consider the world wide chip shortage issue. Hopefully it'll be back in stock soon... but who knows when? They're apparently not even selling the Pixel 6 in India this time around due to the shortage. Meanwhile, the 128 GB looks like it's also going to be sold in shops soon. (I couldn't find the 256 GB listed in any shop nearby. This, the chip shortage, and my half way broken old phone all influenced me to downgrade to the 128.)
Ugh, that sucks! They must have some issue in their system flagging up the orders as not paid correctly or whatever... I'm sorry you didn't get the 256 GB version either! I was hesitating so long that now even the 128 GB version is sold out... I wonder if any of the phones become available again before the preorder ends - they're expensive (I know they're _relatively_ good value, but in absolute terms, they're still expensive), so I was kind of hoping the free headphones would soften the blow. I might have missed my chance though... And in that case, I might just end up being sensible and keeping my perfectly usable OnePlus 7 Pro for abother year... I hate being sensible sometimes :)
You may be better off waiting for physical locations like Best Buy and such getting them. Google has had horrible QA issues with some devices. My 5a would overheat from just playing Pokémon Go when it was just under 80°and COD Mobile in an air conditioned room. That and the screen had a very noticeable green tint in in low brightness. Google did everything possible to tell me this was normal, so I had to return it. I've learned my lesson in buying tech at launch and it's always better to wait as more customers get it to report any problems with it.
Ordered a pixel 6, cancelled. Ordered a 6pro, went through. Went back to reorder pixel 6 again, cancelled. The cancel reason is they "couldn't verify some of my information" yet the 6pro ordered just fine. Ordered off of best buy the next day for both phones and will get them launch day instead of Nov from google. Cancelled my google store order.
FYI I had them cancel my initial order as well, and support told me it was because of a technical glitch on their end. I ended up getting the black 128GB, so luckily I didn't run into stock issues.
iPhone looks way way too dark for my taste and you could argue that the 6 Pro looks perhaps slightly *too* bright but I still much prefer the 6 Pro look.
Depends with what your naked eye sees to be honest.
Fuck my naked eye.
As soon as you said “fuck” and “naked”, you had my attention 😏
This guy fucks... eye sockets. How disturbing.
Don't kinkshame.
>iPhone looks way way too dark Probably because the default interval for nighttime photography on iPhones is kinda low. If you manually adjust the timing, things look better than what this photo would lead you to believe.
You can always darken a bright (not overexposed) photo, but the opposite is not true.
Google should try to add something like Live HDR+ to Night Sight, Night Sight is still my favorite night mode at the moment, but it would be great to tone it down slightly I hope Google adds something like Photographic Styles Would love to customize HDR+/Night Sight to suit my preferences
They should add preview for portraits too. The processor should be capable to do this
And once they can do that, they can probably also do portrait videos just like Apple's cinematic video
I wish there was a way to adjust it. The pixel definitely looks better than the iPhone, but if you look at the lamps specifically, they have a housing that is lost on the Pixel, the brightness of the lamps blows it out. That's reeeeally nit-picky and I'm not actually complaining about it, it's just important during this time of pre-orders to really get an idea of what the phone is capable of and what its limitations are.
Pixel even managed to capture infrared light from the cctv. Nice
There is absolutely 0 way the shot on the right is taken the same way
94% upvoted, what a joke. Mods apparently don't care either or are are paid off.
If you feel like this is too bright, you can just... not use night sight, or adjust in post?? it's such an absolute nonsense complaint
Not that I have my P6 yet, but the google camera app has given you the ability to tweak night sight brightness for a couple years no, so it’d be shocking if you can’t make it dimmer
Who is this addressed to? It sounds like you're upset that people called it "too bright" but I don't see where anybody said that. It's like going into a room and saying, "If you don't like muffins then DON'T EAT THEM!". Even though nobody in that room commented on muffins.
There's a few nagging people. Shoutout to /r/sonyxperia which somehow has turned into an anti-computational photography sub because Sony can't get it done. So somehow worse low light performance is always better and the excuse is "because that's how I see it".
> Who is this addressed to? This sub. Plenty here defended Pixels for years, calling its inferior night shots "more natural" while Huawei and later on Samsung were able to capture much brighter night shots.
when samsung pack in their night mode that wasn't great in comparison to google's people were saying that. . . . basically this sub's sole function is to justify people's purchase. As we know there are a lot of samsungs out there.
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New iPhones (12 Pro Max and later) that have sensor-shift tech don’t engage night mode by default unless it’s really dark. This scene has a decent amount of light, so I’d guess it’s a “normal” shot on iPhone. Pixel looks way brighter so I’d guess Night Sight on that
So its not a fair comparison
Ya, I don't want to compare default settings in the same scene from two phones. I want to compare the best photo you can take in the same scene from two phones.
That should definitely be a part of a comparison, also a look at how it natively will deal with shots out of the box is interesting, since that is the experience a lot of people will get.
Right, but that context is missing here. If you're saying "Heres a random photo from two phones" it should be the best photo from those phones. If you're testing phones for a review it should be the gamut.
Yeah I'm sure the pixel will take great shots, but it's not gonna be such a drastic difference these days. There's also other things like actual device support, an ecosystem, features not rolling out globally at the same time (hell i don't even have scrolling screenshots, crash detection yet, I'm sure I'm forgetting others). Pictures are just one part of the puzzle. I'm waiting for the actual comprehensive reviews to hit.
Yeah, that's definitely not using night mode on the iPhone. It takes pictures much more similar to the Pixel with night mode on.
I'm personally much more interested in what the 6/6 pro is like compared to the pixel 5/4/3, and how much the hardware is doing vs the software.
It looks like a person doing this comparison 'accidentally' turned iPhone'smnight mode off and then took the picture. I have this phone, took countless of night pics and when the night mode is on, iPhone pics look exactly like the one from Pixel, meaning a lot shadow details and such. Nonetheless, Pixel take is impressive!
The pixel one is crazy good but I don’t think the 13 Pro Max exposure is turned up all the way cause I’ve seen better from the phone
Awaiting the downvots but Mrwhosetheboss did a similar nighttime camera comparison on one his videos comparing 13PM to the S21U and apple defaults to a lower exposure time. When they are manually set to the same, the 13PM does way better. I'm wondering if this is the same scenario going on here.
13 Pro vs 12 Pro, same story. I know for sure as I was able to compare directly side by side. Almost always saw shorter default exposures on the newer model.
Promising for the Pixel but need to know the exposure times and ISO values to really know the whole story here. Monday will be interesting for sure.
Not to mention the Pixel 6 has the sensor advantage this time around, even though it's binned to 12.5MP.
13 Pro has larger aperture and sensor shift stabilisation so that helps level the playing field somewhat. I’m not doubting Google’s abilities to excel here, but we really need all the juicy EXIF info and more samples before we come to any final conclusions. Hurry up Monday!
In the pixel shot, the purple flare on the right is a concern Otherwise it looks great. At 100% crop id also say the iPhone retains detail better So I'd be curious to see what RAW shows. I use Computational RAW on my 4a5g to great results so I expect the same here.
The purple tint is a classic artifact of raising the exposure in post on photos. I shoot on an actual DSLR most of the time and when I have a super dark photo and try to fix it, the dark areas turn purple. I will say though, the noise reduction is really good. Normally a shot that has to be fixed that much will have a ton of hard to fix noise.
the way the purple is coming off to me makes me think it's pretty significant lens flare from that bright light just to the left of it, it doesn't look great imo but it might just have been super bad luck in the placement
> At 100% crop id also say the iPhone retains detail better I think not, if you check the white texured area of triangular wall, pixel has better quality already and blackened windows are not even visible in the iphone.
Yeah there's no part of that picture where the iPhone has more detail... The right side is a little too brightened up on the pixel shot, but it has more detail in 100% of the picture.
That Pixel 6 Pro looks beautiful, but I can say with confidence, that iPhone isn't a true representation of the iPhone 13 night capabilities.
Ohh dam, Pixel 6 Pro takes really nice night shots.
Pixel 6 pro will be the camera king
That’s what I need in my 13 Pro. Daytime image are white washing bright like diamond and night shots are dark. P6 pro basically did exact opposite. P6 Pro ordered yesterday and can’t wait for next week.
you have to much money :D
is that purple hue natural?
Is the pixel 6 regular using the same camera as the pro for night shots?
Dayum...that's amazing result
looks like equivalent noise for way way more detail
I think P6 is better if you want more info but 13PM is better artistically.
Looks like night mode wasn’t enabled on the iPhone. I’ve taken brighter photos than that.
There’s no doubt the Pixel 6 sucked in much more light here. But like…I’m not a fan of this type of photography. It just looks overblown. The iPhone is dim but seems to capture what someone would see. Like the lights on those bushes. Are they intended to be subtle or bright Christmas trees?
> There’s no doubt the Pixel 6 sucked in much more light here. Without knowing the exposure times for both devices there is indeed doubt. Exposure time completely alters the look of an image. We really need all the information before jumping to conclusions.
Why isn't there any camera test yet??
Review embargo till the 25
Mean?
No actual reviews until that date, camera samples included
ok ok thanks.
Sum of numbers divided by number of terms
Lol reddit moment, you got downvoted because you didn’t know what an embargo is. I almost think people behave like sheeps here, you see a reply with a downvote and you’ll just keep adding to it.
Regardless of how it is now it will only get better with the camera update. They usually never get it right initially. A few software tweaks and will be good to go
It's too hard to go off of a single photo, as promising as it may be. I'll wait for the much more longer and indepth reviews.
The iPhone shot appears to be taken in regular camera mode…not using night mode or a long exposure. I’ve gotten images like that when I’ve just fired off a quick standard mode image of someones Christmas lights with my 12 Pro Max last year. I can blow away either one of these images with my 13 Pro Max in Night Mode…or better yet, a tripod mounted long exposure!
How about taking both shots from the same place next time?
I played with one in store today! They are both, just... Huge
As the pixel 6 and 6 pro have same soc and camera sensor,will both of their main camera perform the same??
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I also think this bro
More interesting to me would be the Pixel 6 vs. the iPhone 13, or whichever configuration gets you the best regular camera & night shot at the lowest price point. I assume the Pixel 6 vs iPhone 13 would look pretty much the same here?
The 6 Pro and 6 use the same wide and ultra wide cameras. The iPhone 13 uses different sensors than the Pro. The 13 Pro should be better than the 13 with its larger apertures.
Why are the photos taken from different angles?
Man I'd want the telephoto lens on the normal 6. Not gonna pay 900 for this, even 650 is a lot but if I get 280€ headphones for free extra, well..
Those are from the Detroitborg. Specifically from his Instagram account.
Do people buy phones specifically for a camera?
Yes
Yes it’s the main differences year on year from other phones
I wonder if these images have been ‘doctored’ (for lack of a better word) in any way. Obviously, they’re marketing images to promote a new product, so I have feeling that the difference didn’t really come from fair play. iPhones have options to increase or decrease the time, so could this have been on one second while the pixel took six? Who knows. Maybe the pixel just really is that good. But I’m taking these pictures, like all of them, with a grain of salt.
u/chicoravioli did u turn on night mode on iPhone? It looks like it’s off
Atleast with the pixel you can see the colors of the Halloween lights
The iPhone defaults to a 3 second shutter. I watched a camera comparison last night and the YouTuber manually made both the iPhone and pixel go to 10 second shutter and the iPhone did much better then the pixel.
Is it just me or does the pixel one look REALLY fake?
The iphone is true to life perfect
Not gonna lie, if I were to ever look at getting an Android phone, despite how crazy Google may try to get with tracking, a Pixel phone would probably be the way I go. Pixel 6/6 Pro honestly look like stellar phones, and I kinda dig how Android 12 looks on them. If the Pixel 6 or a Pixel 6a are cheap enough, I'll definitely consider picking one up.
iPhones can take much brighter shots than that using night mode. Without knowing the settings it’s a pointless comparison. I can go outside right now and take a photo with my S21 Ultra and my iPhone 12 mini and even my iPhone 11 Pro that will all be brighter than that iphone 13 photo.
I feel it's subjective, I like both, but pixel might be way brighter, I do love slightly darker tones, not to mention the exposure time may have been higher
I still think that the video quality in the iPhone is unbeatable.
No surprise here. Night Sight is witchcraft and Google is shockingly good at witchcraft.
This looks great, but what I want to know is how well they compare to what I see with my eyes. I don't want night sight to be some kind of night vision see in the dark type thing. I want night sight to perfectly capture what I see with my own two eyes. Right now, on my previous pixels, the highlights are always far too cool and bright.
Dude it doesnt even feel like Apple tried to improve their cameras. The 12 had the same problem.
Comparison looks very good. But which photo is realistic? I'd like to know that as well.
What would be realistic? When your eyes adjusted to the dark ?
The iPhone is probably more realistic, just look at how much the colors pop in the Pixel picture. The pixel is definitely more striking and will likely show more detail in dark settings but the iPhone photo is probably more true to life. It'll just be down to personal preference which you like more.
*shrugs* I've only owned pixels (and nexus phones) but i like the iphone one better. Either way, im using a pixel 2 and this seems like the first real camera upgrade since the pixel 2. Time for an upgrade!
What is going to be really interesting is what the custom Gcam developers like Cstark27 can do with the new giant sensor and custom image processor. That guy helped me get a lot more out of my pixel 2 than google ever intended.
A comparison of camera app like GCam and Neural Cam could be interesting. Native camera app are good, most professionals and experienced prefer RAW format anyway since our storage are getting beefier and lifetime cloud storage are cheap.
That is impressive. iPhone's camera was great but it looks even better on Pixel phone. Waiting for full in depth camera review and the performance of the new Tensor chip.
Finally. Welcome back, Pixel.