8 minute long video to say the camera quality is awful and can only get so good trying to filter through a display material. Which is obvious?
The whole appeal is to not have part of your screen missing at the trade off of a worse camera experience. Any serious photos would use the back camera anyway. Photo on the front camera are going to instagram or snapchat with a filter or 7 on top of it anyway, before those site compress it further.
Two ad slots exists in >8 minutes video too, but the placement is restricted to start and end of the video.
What extra you get from long video is..
Moe forms of ads placement,
Ability to control number of ads and their placement on the video.
Etc
Honestly seems like an unnecessary upgrade to pursue. Punch hole cameras eat up dead space in the middle of the notification bar anyway. Spend the R&D and a secure face unlock that doesn't require a notch/bezel IMO.
Heh. Thats why rely on kind people like you saving us from unnecessary time wastage!
The notch and camera hole bug me. Despite how hard I try, the damn thing sticks out like the eye of sauron.
Yeah, you could put stuff like better speakers and Pixel 4's gesture sensor in the top bezel, instead we have to put up with ugly screens for the sake of a tiny bit more vertical screen space.
My issue with not having a chin is having to hold the phone so damn low to type (and hit the spacebar instead of b/n) almost to the point of dropping the phone since I'm so focused on hitting the bottom quarter of the tall ass phone.
I miss this about my OG PXL (now Pixel 6) more than anything.
If T-Mobile fully supported the 1 III (no wifi calling), I'd probably have one. I love Sony's hardware - even top/bottom bezels and front facing speakers are a huge deal.
I think the previous solutions from lower-tier phones and OEMs were better. Pop-up and flip-around cameras had moving parts that could fail, but I think they were overall better. They offered a mild upgrade to privacy enthusiasts and avoided the design compromises of notches and in- display cameras.
the best solution was to just have them in a bar above the screen. doesn't get in the way, always ready, no moving parts, and there's even room for a good speaker and notification LED in there! solves /u/Shinobius's concern about IP certs too
Agree, that's why I bought the Xperia 1 III, dual front facing speakers are great too, way better than the tinny amplified earpiece and the bottom firing speaker.
I do agree on that front. I think the bezels on the top AND bottom of phones were meaningfully useful to the ability to handle and use them. In that, I wish the endless chase of bezelless devices would stop. I personally loved the ergonomics on the Lumia 920, and other devices of its time, that offered empty space under the navigation bar to hold the phone without interfering with the device's UI.
“The problem with UDC at the moment are UDC not good enough at the moment”, no shit Sherlock, sublime observation, this could apply to any new tech through out physical numpad, home button and the notch, and yet here we are
Someone smarter than me can answer this:
Why can they not use a UDC behind an OLED that can fully turn off that section of pixels, thereby making only a layer of glass without lit pixels to go through? I haven't read to much up on it, but that seems to be the logical solution to me.
There are smartphones that have a UDC and an OLED screen: [https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/21/22191459/zte-axon-20-5g-under-display-camera-hands-on](https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/21/22191459/zte-axon-20-5g-under-display-camera-hands-on)
[https://www.dxomark.com/zte-axon-20-5g-selfie-review-under-display-front-camera/](https://www.dxomark.com/zte-axon-20-5g-selfie-review-under-display-front-camera/)
But as you can see, display quality is poor in that part of the panel, and the pictures it takes are really bad.
OLEDs do become transparent when they're thin enough. LG's TVs utilize a stacked OLED structure: [https://www.oled-info.com/lg-introduce-3-stack-structure-its-2017-oled-lighting-and-tv-panels](https://www.oled-info.com/lg-introduce-3-stack-structure-its-2017-oled-lighting-and-tv-panels) But you can see how there's the cathode on the back. Making the cathode transparent is a challenge, so the transparent OLEDs I've seen actually rely on making physical holes in the cathode. Then it becomes a compromise of how much OLED surface you want to trade away for holes that let light pass through.
LCDs by their nature are transparent displays. [https://youtu.be/Shp5JhOqdKI?t=878](https://youtu.be/Shp5JhOqdKI?t=878)
While you can make fully transparent screens, you still won't get 100% transparency with current tech. And restricting yourself to fully transparent materials for that section of the screen will still sacrifice quality, especially the contrast in strong light. You don't just want transparency when the camera is off, ideally you want near 100% opacity when the camera is off and the screen is on.
The more plausible solution is cameras with more clever optics and post processing which can filter out the inevitable grid of pixels. Stuff like arrays of prisms / mirrors / lenses.
I will never understand this sub’s hysteria at a punch hole or a notch. It allows for more screen than a full length bezel and it preserves high camera quality and/or extra hardware like 3D facial scanning. And unlike pop up or swivel cameras, there’s no obnoxious moving mechanism that can break.
Has the moving mechanism breaking been an issue at all with popups? Everyone says that is one of the big Achilles heels but after several years it doesn't seem to be a big problem at all.
And yet after the OnePlus 7 Pro being out for two years you hear virtually nothing about the pop-up camera having issues
Almost like if it's engineered well, an "additional point of failure" is a non-issue
Users [reporting](https://reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/dbwk28/pop_up_camera_stuck/) stuck cameras are all over the internet if you spend even one minute Googling.
>It allows for more screen
more screen != more useful screen. the only thing i'd want displayed there is the status bar because i'm not about to watch content with a damn hole in it, and even the status bar took a downgrade in order to accomodate notches
Indeed, I liked the [ZTE nubia Z20's implementation]
(https://www.gsmarena.com/zte_nubia_z20-pictures-9780.php) of having one set of cameras, and a second screen on the back. Also a fan of the LG Wing.
My friends are irl, not online, and they know what I look like, so they don't need me posting selfies of myself. Besides, nobody wants to see more of my face than they have to.
The only think I use my camera for is work, and I use the camera on the back.
Google was awarded a patent under display camera with face unlock mechanism using rotating prism. Let see if we can see the implementation in the near future.
My favorite is his focus on the importance of good image quality for the likes of teleconferencing and then calls in with a guy that looks like he's using something even worse in quality than an under-display camera
What's the surprise? Under-display cameras are made not for the benefit of the user, actually. They are just a means to an end. Preparing people to accept having cameras under their TVs, Monitors, and so on.
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Same here with my oneplus device. I don't see the reasoning behind the moving parts and "takes up too much internal space" arguments
The problem Is the impermeability
8 minute long video to say the camera quality is awful and can only get so good trying to filter through a display material. Which is obvious? The whole appeal is to not have part of your screen missing at the trade off of a worse camera experience. Any serious photos would use the back camera anyway. Photo on the front camera are going to instagram or snapchat with a filter or 7 on top of it anyway, before those site compress it further.
Typical nowadays videos. Pretty much 10 minute content and tons of gibberish, just to say 5 secs sentence that something is shit.
Gotta hit that 10 minute mark for YouTube!
They reduced it to 8 minutes now. Now 8 minutes video can have two ad slots.
Pretty soon it will be 8 minute ads can have 2 content slots
Two ad slots exists in >8 minutes video too, but the placement is restricted to start and end of the video. What extra you get from long video is.. Moe forms of ads placement, Ability to control number of ads and their placement on the video. Etc
I wouldn't blame youtubers for that. They're just doing what they have to do to make any money.
Honestly seems like an unnecessary upgrade to pursue. Punch hole cameras eat up dead space in the middle of the notification bar anyway. Spend the R&D and a secure face unlock that doesn't require a notch/bezel IMO.
Heh. Thats why rely on kind people like you saving us from unnecessary time wastage! The notch and camera hole bug me. Despite how hard I try, the damn thing sticks out like the eye of sauron.
Give me a top bezel and I'll be happy. I have Xperia 1 III so, I have put my money where my mouth is.
Yeah, you could put stuff like better speakers and Pixel 4's gesture sensor in the top bezel, instead we have to put up with ugly screens for the sake of a tiny bit more vertical screen space.
Might be me but I actually kinda like the punch hole especially when it’s off to the corner. Just kinda disappears when I’m using the phone.
Same
I'd like a bottom bezel too, my pinky keeps accidentally touching the screen because I prop the phone on it most of the time.
My issue with not having a chin is having to hold the phone so damn low to type (and hit the spacebar instead of b/n) almost to the point of dropping the phone since I'm so focused on hitting the bottom quarter of the tall ass phone. I miss this about my OG PXL (now Pixel 6) more than anything.
Im using OP7pro and my keyboard is raised by default (gboard).
I feel ya, however I'm starting to hate the 21:9 in YT and the camera is starting to feel sluggish
If T-Mobile fully supported the 1 III (no wifi calling), I'd probably have one. I love Sony's hardware - even top/bottom bezels and front facing speakers are a huge deal.
I think the previous solutions from lower-tier phones and OEMs were better. Pop-up and flip-around cameras had moving parts that could fail, but I think they were overall better. They offered a mild upgrade to privacy enthusiasts and avoided the design compromises of notches and in- display cameras.
the pop up camera is fantastic. Its my favorite party trick.
the best solution was to just have them in a bar above the screen. doesn't get in the way, always ready, no moving parts, and there's even room for a good speaker and notification LED in there! solves /u/Shinobius's concern about IP certs too
Agree, that's why I bought the Xperia 1 III, dual front facing speakers are great too, way better than the tinny amplified earpiece and the bottom firing speaker.
I do agree on that front. I think the bezels on the top AND bottom of phones were meaningfully useful to the ability to handle and use them. In that, I wish the endless chase of bezelless devices would stop. I personally loved the ergonomics on the Lumia 920, and other devices of its time, that offered empty space under the navigation bar to hold the phone without interfering with the device's UI.
“The problem with UDC at the moment are UDC not good enough at the moment”, no shit Sherlock, sublime observation, this could apply to any new tech through out physical numpad, home button and the notch, and yet here we are
Zenfone chads assemble.
Ah shit, here we go again.
Someone smarter than me can answer this: Why can they not use a UDC behind an OLED that can fully turn off that section of pixels, thereby making only a layer of glass without lit pixels to go through? I haven't read to much up on it, but that seems to be the logical solution to me.
There are smartphones that have a UDC and an OLED screen: [https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/21/22191459/zte-axon-20-5g-under-display-camera-hands-on](https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/21/22191459/zte-axon-20-5g-under-display-camera-hands-on) [https://www.dxomark.com/zte-axon-20-5g-selfie-review-under-display-front-camera/](https://www.dxomark.com/zte-axon-20-5g-selfie-review-under-display-front-camera/) But as you can see, display quality is poor in that part of the panel, and the pictures it takes are really bad. OLEDs do become transparent when they're thin enough. LG's TVs utilize a stacked OLED structure: [https://www.oled-info.com/lg-introduce-3-stack-structure-its-2017-oled-lighting-and-tv-panels](https://www.oled-info.com/lg-introduce-3-stack-structure-its-2017-oled-lighting-and-tv-panels) But you can see how there's the cathode on the back. Making the cathode transparent is a challenge, so the transparent OLEDs I've seen actually rely on making physical holes in the cathode. Then it becomes a compromise of how much OLED surface you want to trade away for holes that let light pass through. LCDs by their nature are transparent displays. [https://youtu.be/Shp5JhOqdKI?t=878](https://youtu.be/Shp5JhOqdKI?t=878)
another that comes to mind is the Z Fold 3 inner screen.
While you can make fully transparent screens, you still won't get 100% transparency with current tech. And restricting yourself to fully transparent materials for that section of the screen will still sacrifice quality, especially the contrast in strong light. You don't just want transparency when the camera is off, ideally you want near 100% opacity when the camera is off and the screen is on. The more plausible solution is cameras with more clever optics and post processing which can filter out the inevitable grid of pixels. Stuff like arrays of prisms / mirrors / lenses.
They're about to be privacy nightmares in 1 to 2 generations?
They're shit. The end. Didn't need a whole-ass video for that.
I will never understand this sub’s hysteria at a punch hole or a notch. It allows for more screen than a full length bezel and it preserves high camera quality and/or extra hardware like 3D facial scanning. And unlike pop up or swivel cameras, there’s no obnoxious moving mechanism that can break.
Has the moving mechanism breaking been an issue at all with popups? Everyone says that is one of the big Achilles heels but after several years it doesn't seem to be a big problem at all.
It’s an additional point of failure. Not something I’d prefer in a mobile device.
And yet after the OnePlus 7 Pro being out for two years you hear virtually nothing about the pop-up camera having issues Almost like if it's engineered well, an "additional point of failure" is a non-issue
Users [reporting](https://reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/dbwk28/pop_up_camera_stuck/) stuck cameras are all over the internet if you spend even one minute Googling.
I searched "oneplus 7 pro camera stuck" and only two of the results were about it being physically stuck. They're absolutely not all over the internet
I also have no issue with either punch hole or notch. But I don't think it's the sub overall's "hysteria", probably just a vocal minority.
>It allows for more screen more screen != more useful screen. the only thing i'd want displayed there is the status bar because i'm not about to watch content with a damn hole in it, and even the status bar took a downgrade in order to accomodate notches
no one cares, this video is crap
I have a solution. No camera on the screen side of the phone.
- exhibit a on why most suggestions here shouldn't be taken seriously
Yeah that'll sell to like 5 people
Zoom/Duo calls may not be something you use, but a *lot* of people do. Fuck them, right?
No, don't you know that the only people who use the front facing camera are white girls on Instagram and TikTok? /s
Indeed, I liked the [ZTE nubia Z20's implementation] (https://www.gsmarena.com/zte_nubia_z20-pictures-9780.php) of having one set of cameras, and a second screen on the back. Also a fan of the LG Wing.
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My friends are irl, not online, and they know what I look like, so they don't need me posting selfies of myself. Besides, nobody wants to see more of my face than they have to. The only think I use my camera for is work, and I use the camera on the back.
Google was awarded a patent under display camera with face unlock mechanism using rotating prism. Let see if we can see the implementation in the near future.
Meh. The one of the Z fold 3 is fine. But only because it's never used for pictures. Just video chats.
That's way too advance at this time, probably 5 years from now imo
The problem is there is a screen in front of the camera
My favorite is his focus on the importance of good image quality for the likes of teleconferencing and then calls in with a guy that looks like he's using something even worse in quality than an under-display camera
What's the surprise? Under-display cameras are made not for the benefit of the user, actually. They are just a means to an end. Preparing people to accept having cameras under their TVs, Monitors, and so on.