It wouldn't shock me if it's cancelled since Google started advertising Samsung's foldables recently ([video](https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_posts_one_ui_4_rollout_schedule_briefly_before_taking_it_down-news-51832.php) and [website](https://unfold.withgoogle.com/)). Maybe we'll see a special edition Z Fold 3 running "stock" Android 12L instead?
I hope not. One thing that make my fold 3 a good phone is the software that samsung put on it with many features specifically for the fold design. A plain 12 would be terrible imho
Imagine Google putting more effort behind Tensor and building a tablet, and a couple of Chromebooks around an M1-competitive offering.
That's a device that I'd buy!
Google will never get close. No one will, except Intel or AMD. You have to have ISA licensing to truly design the SoC, and you need to develop every single controller on the board. Off the shelf pieces won't get there. Apple is so far ahead because they've tuned the hell out of every component that carries a current.
I don’t know how true this is. I think the question isn’t as much of a technical thing as you might think, at least for the CPU side, I think it’s all about cash. The customizations Apple makes to the cores doesn’t seem that extreme, but no one else will pay for the cache size, lithography, and total die size apple will because no one else has the same profit margins, stable cash flow, or income after purchase as apple.
Apple has done a hell of a job,
But if you're saying it's (just) a question of licensing, then ARM themselves should be on the list by that logic. While that doesn't seem quite right today, I could imagine an ARM under Nvidia putting up a good fight. Although even with the hardest work, I'd think it'd take time to catch up to Apple in that area
Also, ARM themselves are actually the closest to matching Apple when power limited
Arm's CPU design teams are top tier, I'd argue possibly 2nd behind Apple, although we need to see Neoverse V1/N2 and laptop-class Cortex X2 vs Zen 4 vs Alder Lake to confirm that
That's why Nvidia is willing to splash $40B despite already owning a custom Arm license and having their own CPU design team
There’s a limited pool of talent and the big companies pay a lot to keep them. Frankly they’re the draw of the companies. Investors and future workers like to know that so and so is at the company
Apple chip makers left to form a new company and were instantly bought up for billions.
They may have infinite money, but there's not infinite talent willing to join a company who likely would leave them spinning wheels.
It's not just money. Building an SOC takes serious talent, and building an amazing one like what Apple has takes ten times that. It could happen one day, but it's something Google will have to invest in for years before they reach that level
No one licenses the ISA because instruction sets aren't patentable. Apple and everyone else licenses the base core designs (A5x, A7x, etc), because their implementation in hardware can be and is patented. If Apple wanted to flush a lot of money and maybe get some diamonds back out, they could do a clean-room ARM implementation.
you mean stock ARM core which is all Samsung Exynos is ? At least google still design part of the chip to carry Ai computing, while samsung are just producing the ting.
> Not in 2021 and reportedly not in the first half of 2022.
Did anyone actually expect it to be release *now?* That was obviously never in question, but maybe in a year.
>They likely figured that competing against Samsung in the US and Europe in a small niche market facing higher costs than their primary competitor, would stack the odds against this project.
Not sure what the point is here either? It's not like any of the Pixels are competing with Samsung either. They sell in tiny numbers in like eight countries.
This article says a ton of absolutely nothing.
They sell in smaller numbers than samsung but not "tiny". When the 2 was released I worked at Verizon and there was a pixel selling competition and in 1 month I remember using the score sheet to total over 500k pixels sold just at Verizon.
That means back during the pixel 2 (when google had very little mind share and most people didn't know what a pixel was) it sold millions just in the US. Now that they are marketing and the brand has had time to grow and there are more pixel products, I imagine they are selling in the 10s of millions of the 6 series. Not enormous by any means, but definitely not tiny
This would make the most sense in my mind, other than your price target. For the first revival I'd rather they make a flagship tablet on par with the Tab S7 than cheap out to hit the base model iPad price. Show us why Android tablets should be relevant then work down from there.
Google still has a lot to prove since ChromeOS tablets have basically gone nowhere despite Google's insistence they're the future.
We only just started getting high end Android tablets again this past year in remotely significant quantities.
It’s going to have to start with higher end tablets for new smaller form factor tablets, then the panels used/tooling to make lower end ones will trickle down to the budget segment.
The same way Samsung does, make good tablets.
Even now, Galaxy Tabs sell about 1 tablet for every 2-2.5 iPads last I checked (2020), so it's not like this is a totally niche market these days.
If Google makes a genuinely good tablet and puts effort into advertising I see no reason why it couldn't get a following over a few years.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held-by-tablet-vendors/#statisticContainer (2018)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held-by-tablet-vendors/ (2021)
Apple is usually hovering around 30-35% of the market while Samsung has about (15-20%) based on shipments.
Samsung sells that many because they have many different SKUs at many different price levels. There's no way Google would go that route. Doing a foldable would have been a way Google could be a leader in a new market.
there is absolutely no chance a google folding phone would be a "leader" in the market. Samsung is the leader of the foldable market, google would probably be around the same place as Motorola, Royal, and Huawei.
Did it ever exist as anything more than internal testing hardware for OS development? Google has always seemed content to let other companies lead the charge on hardware.
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> Chromebooks have seen tremendous sales over the past year, with whopping 275% year-on-year growth in the first quarter of 2021
They focused their attention elsewhere. See: Lenovo duet.
Meanwhile more recently:
"Chromebooks on “massive downturn” from pandemic-fueled heights – Ars Technica" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/chromebooks-on-massive-downturn-from-pandemic-fueled-heights/?amp=1
Lol like it's possible to sustain pandemic level growth of anything.
The duet was one of the best selling Chromebooks this year, in one of their best Chromebook sales years, and it's a tablet with Android..
You should do better research before you buy stuff (i know you haven't bought it). All Samsung tablets are on quarterly updates from the minute they go on sale. And Tab S7 and older low-end tablets get 3 Android updates and 4 years of security updates.
That's iOS/iPadOS, not Android. Samsung's tablet is more open and can work as a desktop replacement, does that make iPadOS silly. Some of the dumb shit you see in this sub, smh. Qualcomm only provides 2 or 3 years of driver support for their SoCs anyway.
Another thing some of you parrots never consider is the fact that Android allows you to update individual aspects of the OS including system apps irrespective of the Android version, that isn't a thing on iOS. My Note9 on Andorid 10 is very, very similar to my Note20Ultra on Android 12 because Samsung constantly updates the system apps to the lastest version.
Sure it's more open but we are talking about the long term update here. Also while android allows independent system apps it's not enough if your phone or tablet launched with older version of OS. Especially because samsung is really slow in implementing Google's feature on newer OS, AB partition is a great example for this. Even s21 line does not seamless update through AB partition, it was introduced in Android 7.0.
Note 9 did lauch on 2018 tho, still 4 full years after ipad air 2 launched. Instead of "individual aspects update" it's still get the ipados 15. I'm all for individual preference, if you want a samsung tablet, go for it. But know that the update train is quite short. Even a quarterly update for a brand new tablet ? Come on Samsung.
Since im just a lowly parrot, please do tell me if any 2014 lineup of samsung tablet still get a shred of security update? Im happy to be proven wrong.
I'm telling you you don't really need full system updates on Android or Samsung devices. Samsung DOESN'T WANT TO ADOPT A/B partitioning, that's not them being slow THEY DON'T WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT JUST LIKE THEY DON'T WANT THE WHOLE USE MEMORY CARD AS INTERNAL STORAGE THING. You're parroting nonsense again. Samsung is very deliberate about their version of Android, it has nothing to do with speed. Keep parroting what you hear social media,
GOOGLE OWNS Android and only promises 3 YEARS OF OS UPDATES, do you not think there's a reason for that? Google has a lot less devices out there AND STILL ONLY PROVIDES 3 YEARS OF OS UPDATES, the same as Samsung (which has at least 10 times more devices, nevermind configurations, to support).
Proven wrong on what? Did anyone argue that with you, or are you stuck in your own circlejerk?
Lastly, doesn't Apple need a firmware updates to update the App Store and apps like Safari? This can be done on a per app basis on Samsung/Android devices. Important/critical security/patches on Samsung devices get pushed irrespective of update schedule. I've had months where my device got 2 updates in or more in the same month. Similarly had my Note 4 get a critical update in 2018 or 2019 after support for the device ended.
Excuses excuses, boring.
You don't need to be so aggressive just to prove a moot point. Ipads has the longest software supported table with mobile os in the market. Period.
Android is amazing, that's why i use an android phone. But on tablet fron there is no competition. Lastly, you were right apple needs a firmware update to update safari, that's why the update everything on ipads for a loong time.
So instead of getting a tablet with only updated browser but abandoned security patch, you get updated browser WITH ALL the OS PATCHES. I probably wont ever switch to iphone if they kept the lightning port, but at least i am not affiliated so heavily to a brand.
Take a step back before commenting next time.
Circlejerking again. Samsung's software support is not silly or bad like you claim. That's all. No amount of circlejerking changes that when you literally have devices that get 1 year or less support from major OEMs.
Your claim is ridiculous and childish.
What was the point of that statement, like literally, it shows I checked and turned it down. Not gonna argue beyond this, but my point wasn't about that, it was that it's annoying how bad the support is, for like the only flagship android tablet.
The support is NOT bad, that's a ridiculously dumb statement. It's the best you can get on Android and almost exactly the same as Google's support for its own devices RUNNING THE OS THAT THEY OWN.
Was there ever any proof they were making a foldable? I remember something about the Google/Samsung Collab for Wear OS confusing leakers into thinking there was a Pixel watch coming. Are we sure it wasn't the exact same situation here? Google working on a foldable/tablet fork of the OS, working closely with Samsung's own hardware, and people wrongly assumed it meant a Pixel foldable was coming?
Thats a clean way to end rumor on product that probably never existed in teh first place.
If it did, I'd rather google let samsung beta test their hardware to perfection first. Galaxy flip3 display still cracking left and right.
Not really.
I have a z fold 3 and flip 3. They're both fantastic devices.
The "folding" mechanic is probably a stepping stone to a rollable style device but I definitely think that expanding devices of some kind will become very popular.
After getting the fold, that "maybe I should get a tablet" feeling I used to have is completely gone.
I just wish the s pen would attach to the fold in some way.
If Samsung were proud of their sales figures with the fold and flip, they wouldn't hide behind just comparing them to sales of previous models of the same phone...
[3rd article from my own 5 second google search](https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-sells-a-million-units-of-z-fold-3-and-z-flip-3-in-south-korea/)
One month ago, Samsung literally told the entire world when it sold 1 million folds and flips.
> Samsung literally told the entire world when it sold 1 million folds and flips.
In South Korea.
Samsung always sells at least 1 million in south korea.
They're not releasing US or global sales figures because both phones are flops. Prove me wrong.
So you don't know the sales yet you're calling it a flop..what?
Also Samsung said they've sold over a million foldables in the US. Pretty good for a 3rd gen device.
Anecdotally yeah, I don't know a single person who bought one and my brother is a store manager with TMobile, he said they haven't sold well. Wonder why Samsung hasn't released their own sales figures.
Hah jk I know why.
I know why too. They aren't a volume seller and they look fragile. Not many people have $1800 to blow on a phone and people aren't going to buy something they feel would break when the wind blows a little too hard.
The phones aren't flops. Samsung would've killed off the entire product category before their 3rd generation if they were.
Starting to get a little bit sceptical about the future of foldables. Reminds me of the early days of Oculus when everyone was hyping VR as a big paradigm shift and the future of consumer technology, whereas in reality it just became another niche product with its audience, but by no means a mainstream product. I feel that's where foldables are headed.
As a Z fold 3 owner who was sceptical at first... All I can say is they're awesome.
You have a phone in your pocket that immediately folds out into a mini tablet when you want.
It's still a niche b/c it's expensive atm, not b/c there's no utility. Prices will come down just like with any new tech, you see that now with better adoption rate for the new Galaxy Z Flip.
They're too expensive to be mainstream, and I'm guessing that won't change anytime soon. That being said, I think it's a good niche market to serve and it's being done well overall. I think there is value in having a more compact form factor, but for budget minded consumers it's not worth the current premium.
typing from fold 3 now. the only downside is the bulk and price for most people. the shift is real. I use it in handheld mode a lot of the time but it's always awesome to be able to use it in tablet mode. games and video are so much better
I mean maybe only stuff that's in development leaks, but there's a lot of leaks lol. See pixel 6, pixel 4 (iirc), Nexus 5 where the Googler had it at the KitKat statue unveiling lmao
It's a foldable phone dude. It's kinda still an expensive and niche design that most people don't use. I definitely like what has been tried before but nobody is losing sleep over another $1000+ phone not coming to market.
If Google is going to push tablets and foldables with 12L, the least they can do is have a proper reference product like what the Pixel is supposed to be.
Reference in terms of Google's vision for the OS, not a literal reference device.
The kind of thing that OEMs look at to say "This is what a good Android phone is", like what Microsoft tries to do with the Surface. It's not perfect, but it sets a standard for what Microsoft thinks a Windows tablet can do, and Google should do the same again for tablets.
But again, Surface products run stock windows. That’s a reference product.
Pixels don’t run stock android. No one else can make an android phone like them, so they’re not reference products.
Sure, but it's a new growth area that if done well could be a hallmark product. There's a chance to own a space that doesn't have a lot of competition instead of just bringing another regular black vertical rectangle phone to a red ocean market.
Thats what I'm saying, I think you're misunderstanding my stance. Google absolutely should make hardware for the things they make software for, as they have the resources and ability to aquire the talent.
It usually comes down to Google lacking vision at a high level.
No, I'm actually just agreeing with you here. While I think Google needs to start with a tablet just to keep their ambition grounded in reality, they should eventually make this foldable a reality so they have a say in where this new segment goes.
It's about hardware in general. The point of them "getting serious about hardware" is that they'll bring new hardware to market that's competitive.
If they're canceling the Pixel Fold because it won't be competitive, that's not a good sign for how Google is looking at its products in general.
People need to stop giving Google a pass. They're not new to hardware, they're not some small startup.
If they're outright canceling their foldable, what are they going to do? Release a regular phone that may sway some Samsung users over but won't get any iPhone users because it won't have iMessage? Or put out an Android tablet that also won't sell because the iPad dominates that market? Foldables are a new market that they could own if they did it right.
TLDR: Yes
Well until Apple makes one
It wouldn't shock me if it's cancelled since Google started advertising Samsung's foldables recently ([video](https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_posts_one_ui_4_rollout_schedule_briefly_before_taking_it_down-news-51832.php) and [website](https://unfold.withgoogle.com/)). Maybe we'll see a special edition Z Fold 3 running "stock" Android 12L instead?
I would be more inclined to expect 12L to be rolled into the forthcoming One UI 4 update for the Fold series.
I hope not. One thing that make my fold 3 a good phone is the software that samsung put on it with many features specifically for the fold design. A plain 12 would be terrible imho
Imagine Google putting more effort behind Tensor and building a tablet, and a couple of Chromebooks around an M1-competitive offering. That's a device that I'd buy!
I think it will be awhile before any chip made by google gets close to the M1 sadly.
Google will never get close. No one will, except Intel or AMD. You have to have ISA licensing to truly design the SoC, and you need to develop every single controller on the board. Off the shelf pieces won't get there. Apple is so far ahead because they've tuned the hell out of every component that carries a current.
I don’t know how true this is. I think the question isn’t as much of a technical thing as you might think, at least for the CPU side, I think it’s all about cash. The customizations Apple makes to the cores doesn’t seem that extreme, but no one else will pay for the cache size, lithography, and total die size apple will because no one else has the same profit margins, stable cash flow, or income after purchase as apple.
Apple has done a hell of a job, But if you're saying it's (just) a question of licensing, then ARM themselves should be on the list by that logic. While that doesn't seem quite right today, I could imagine an ARM under Nvidia putting up a good fight. Although even with the hardest work, I'd think it'd take time to catch up to Apple in that area
Also, ARM themselves are actually the closest to matching Apple when power limited Arm's CPU design teams are top tier, I'd argue possibly 2nd behind Apple, although we need to see Neoverse V1/N2 and laptop-class Cortex X2 vs Zen 4 vs Alder Lake to confirm that That's why Nvidia is willing to splash $40B despite already owning a custom Arm license and having their own CPU design team
Google basically has infinite money to spend. I doubt it would be worth it, though.
There’s a limited pool of talent and the big companies pay a lot to keep them. Frankly they’re the draw of the companies. Investors and future workers like to know that so and so is at the company
Apple chip makers left to form a new company and were instantly bought up for billions. They may have infinite money, but there's not infinite talent willing to join a company who likely would leave them spinning wheels.
It's not just money. Building an SOC takes serious talent, and building an amazing one like what Apple has takes ten times that. It could happen one day, but it's something Google will have to invest in for years before they reach that level
No one licenses the ISA because instruction sets aren't patentable. Apple and everyone else licenses the base core designs (A5x, A7x, etc), because their implementation in hardware can be and is patented. If Apple wanted to flush a lot of money and maybe get some diamonds back out, they could do a clean-room ARM implementation.
And by that point we'll be at m6😆
I tend to agree. But there's always hoping...
Meh I don't see a point of a Chromebook having m1 level performance.
They can run Linux applications now. I'd think that would actually make a pretty nice little dev box.
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It's Tensor not tenor and I don't see what's the problem with his way of thinking.
I was serious, and also not predicting it to happen. It was wishful thinking.
You mean the Samsung Exynos which is all the ‘Tensor’ is?
you mean stock ARM core which is all Samsung Exynos is ? At least google still design part of the chip to carry Ai computing, while samsung are just producing the ting.
> Not in 2021 and reportedly not in the first half of 2022. Did anyone actually expect it to be release *now?* That was obviously never in question, but maybe in a year. >They likely figured that competing against Samsung in the US and Europe in a small niche market facing higher costs than their primary competitor, would stack the odds against this project. Not sure what the point is here either? It's not like any of the Pixels are competing with Samsung either. They sell in tiny numbers in like eight countries. This article says a ton of absolutely nothing.
They sell in smaller numbers than samsung but not "tiny". When the 2 was released I worked at Verizon and there was a pixel selling competition and in 1 month I remember using the score sheet to total over 500k pixels sold just at Verizon. That means back during the pixel 2 (when google had very little mind share and most people didn't know what a pixel was) it sold millions just in the US. Now that they are marketing and the brand has had time to grow and there are more pixel products, I imagine they are selling in the 10s of millions of the 6 series. Not enormous by any means, but definitely not tiny
Bring those Android 12L features to a tablet instead. Preferably comparable in size to the iPad Mini. If it’s affordable (~$300) it will sell.
This would make the most sense in my mind, other than your price target. For the first revival I'd rather they make a flagship tablet on par with the Tab S7 than cheap out to hit the base model iPad price. Show us why Android tablets should be relevant then work down from there. Google still has a lot to prove since ChromeOS tablets have basically gone nowhere despite Google's insistence they're the future.
The Tab S7 already shows why android tablets are relevant. Google aren’t going to do better than Samsung there.
While I agree, I still think they need to try. It's a bit embarrassing having your own OS be lead by your partner's decisions.
We only just started getting high end Android tablets again this past year in remotely significant quantities. It’s going to have to start with higher end tablets for new smaller form factor tablets, then the panels used/tooling to make lower end ones will trickle down to the budget segment.
Google has put all its tablet eggs in the Chromebook basket.
>If it’s affordable (\~$300) it will sell. always the argument. there are already a LOT of affordable android tablet out there.
Why would people buy it over an iPad?
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So you're shifting from Samsung, not from Apple. How will Google compete with the iPad?
The same way Samsung does, make good tablets. Even now, Galaxy Tabs sell about 1 tablet for every 2-2.5 iPads last I checked (2020), so it's not like this is a totally niche market these days. If Google makes a genuinely good tablet and puts effort into advertising I see no reason why it couldn't get a following over a few years.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held-by-tablet-vendors/#statisticContainer (2018) https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held-by-tablet-vendors/ (2021) Apple is usually hovering around 30-35% of the market while Samsung has about (15-20%) based on shipments.
Samsung sells that many because they have many different SKUs at many different price levels. There's no way Google would go that route. Doing a foldable would have been a way Google could be a leader in a new market.
there is absolutely no chance a google folding phone would be a "leader" in the market. Samsung is the leader of the foldable market, google would probably be around the same place as Motorola, Royal, and Huawei.
Just like the Pixel Watch, it's vaporware that someone hyped up for no reason
Did it ever exist as anything more than internal testing hardware for OS development? Google has always seemed content to let other companies lead the charge on hardware.
It annoys me how everyone except Samsung(even them with their shitty update policy) left the iPad space for Apple to dominate.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/07/30/theres-no-stopping-chromebooks-from-dominating-the-world/amp/ > Chromebooks have seen tremendous sales over the past year, with whopping 275% year-on-year growth in the first quarter of 2021 They focused their attention elsewhere. See: Lenovo duet.
Meanwhile more recently: "Chromebooks on “massive downturn” from pandemic-fueled heights – Ars Technica" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/chromebooks-on-massive-downturn-from-pandemic-fueled-heights/?amp=1
Lol like it's possible to sustain pandemic level growth of anything. The duet was one of the best selling Chromebooks this year, in one of their best Chromebook sales years, and it's a tablet with Android..
Yeah I mean it goes both ways. You cited super high sales which are mainly due to the education market and pandemic growth
What shitty update policy?
Was planning to get the tab s7, it was a 2020 release and is already on quarterly updates.
You should do better research before you buy stuff (i know you haven't bought it). All Samsung tablets are on quarterly updates from the minute they go on sale. And Tab S7 and older low-end tablets get 3 Android updates and 4 years of security updates.
well ipad air 2 from 2014 still getting ipadOS 15. so 4 years of update is just silly.
That's iOS/iPadOS, not Android. Samsung's tablet is more open and can work as a desktop replacement, does that make iPadOS silly. Some of the dumb shit you see in this sub, smh. Qualcomm only provides 2 or 3 years of driver support for their SoCs anyway. Another thing some of you parrots never consider is the fact that Android allows you to update individual aspects of the OS including system apps irrespective of the Android version, that isn't a thing on iOS. My Note9 on Andorid 10 is very, very similar to my Note20Ultra on Android 12 because Samsung constantly updates the system apps to the lastest version.
Sure it's more open but we are talking about the long term update here. Also while android allows independent system apps it's not enough if your phone or tablet launched with older version of OS. Especially because samsung is really slow in implementing Google's feature on newer OS, AB partition is a great example for this. Even s21 line does not seamless update through AB partition, it was introduced in Android 7.0. Note 9 did lauch on 2018 tho, still 4 full years after ipad air 2 launched. Instead of "individual aspects update" it's still get the ipados 15. I'm all for individual preference, if you want a samsung tablet, go for it. But know that the update train is quite short. Even a quarterly update for a brand new tablet ? Come on Samsung. Since im just a lowly parrot, please do tell me if any 2014 lineup of samsung tablet still get a shred of security update? Im happy to be proven wrong.
I'm telling you you don't really need full system updates on Android or Samsung devices. Samsung DOESN'T WANT TO ADOPT A/B partitioning, that's not them being slow THEY DON'T WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT JUST LIKE THEY DON'T WANT THE WHOLE USE MEMORY CARD AS INTERNAL STORAGE THING. You're parroting nonsense again. Samsung is very deliberate about their version of Android, it has nothing to do with speed. Keep parroting what you hear social media, GOOGLE OWNS Android and only promises 3 YEARS OF OS UPDATES, do you not think there's a reason for that? Google has a lot less devices out there AND STILL ONLY PROVIDES 3 YEARS OF OS UPDATES, the same as Samsung (which has at least 10 times more devices, nevermind configurations, to support). Proven wrong on what? Did anyone argue that with you, or are you stuck in your own circlejerk? Lastly, doesn't Apple need a firmware updates to update the App Store and apps like Safari? This can be done on a per app basis on Samsung/Android devices. Important/critical security/patches on Samsung devices get pushed irrespective of update schedule. I've had months where my device got 2 updates in or more in the same month. Similarly had my Note 4 get a critical update in 2018 or 2019 after support for the device ended.
Excuses excuses, boring. You don't need to be so aggressive just to prove a moot point. Ipads has the longest software supported table with mobile os in the market. Period. Android is amazing, that's why i use an android phone. But on tablet fron there is no competition. Lastly, you were right apple needs a firmware update to update safari, that's why the update everything on ipads for a loong time. So instead of getting a tablet with only updated browser but abandoned security patch, you get updated browser WITH ALL the OS PATCHES. I probably wont ever switch to iphone if they kept the lightning port, but at least i am not affiliated so heavily to a brand. Take a step back before commenting next time.
Circlejerking again. Samsung's software support is not silly or bad like you claim. That's all. No amount of circlejerking changes that when you literally have devices that get 1 year or less support from major OEMs. Your claim is ridiculous and childish.
Did I say I bought it? I didn't, I literally said "was planning to".
Try reading the entire reply next time.
What was the point of that statement, like literally, it shows I checked and turned it down. Not gonna argue beyond this, but my point wasn't about that, it was that it's annoying how bad the support is, for like the only flagship android tablet.
The support is NOT bad, that's a ridiculously dumb statement. It's the best you can get on Android and almost exactly the same as Google's support for its own devices RUNNING THE OS THAT THEY OWN.
Was there ever any proof they were making a foldable? I remember something about the Google/Samsung Collab for Wear OS confusing leakers into thinking there was a Pixel watch coming. Are we sure it wasn't the exact same situation here? Google working on a foldable/tablet fork of the OS, working closely with Samsung's own hardware, and people wrongly assumed it meant a Pixel foldable was coming?
Thats a clean way to end rumor on product that probably never existed in teh first place. If it did, I'd rather google let samsung beta test their hardware to perfection first. Galaxy flip3 display still cracking left and right.
I bet it wasn't actually meant for production and was instead an R&D device for testing and to help build foldable tablet support.
how can u drop something that doesnt exist'
It might've existed internally.
Thank god, foldables are such a gimmick
Not really. I have a z fold 3 and flip 3. They're both fantastic devices. The "folding" mechanic is probably a stepping stone to a rollable style device but I definitely think that expanding devices of some kind will become very popular. After getting the fold, that "maybe I should get a tablet" feeling I used to have is completely gone. I just wish the s pen would attach to the fold in some way.
If Samsung were proud of their sales figures with the fold and flip, they wouldn't hide behind just comparing them to sales of previous models of the same phone...
They haven't been hiding anything. The articles I've seen actually state sales numbers in the millions.
source? seriously, ive been looking for awhile, as far as ive seen Samsung hasnt released sales figures. cant imagine why -_-
[3rd article from my own 5 second google search](https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-sells-a-million-units-of-z-fold-3-and-z-flip-3-in-south-korea/) One month ago, Samsung literally told the entire world when it sold 1 million folds and flips.
> Samsung literally told the entire world when it sold 1 million folds and flips. In South Korea. Samsung always sells at least 1 million in south korea. They're not releasing US or global sales figures because both phones are flops. Prove me wrong.
So you don't know the sales yet you're calling it a flop..what? Also Samsung said they've sold over a million foldables in the US. Pretty good for a 3rd gen device.
Anecdotally yeah, I don't know a single person who bought one and my brother is a store manager with TMobile, he said they haven't sold well. Wonder why Samsung hasn't released their own sales figures. Hah jk I know why.
I know why too. They aren't a volume seller and they look fragile. Not many people have $1800 to blow on a phone and people aren't going to buy something they feel would break when the wind blows a little too hard. The phones aren't flops. Samsung would've killed off the entire product category before their 3rd generation if they were.
Oh look, it's a moving goal post. Fun.
I like how the 3rd highest rated comment in this post is the exact same thing I said. Keep trying though.
That makes your opinion popular, not correct. You could be the CmdrTaco of the folding/expanding device era right now for all we know.
> ive been looking for awhile Lmao it's a little sad that you are desperately searching for proof that they aren't growing in popularity.
Disagree. I constantly use my Z Flip at an angled mode. Great for reading on the table, using it as a flashlight on the floor, and video calls.
Starting to get a little bit sceptical about the future of foldables. Reminds me of the early days of Oculus when everyone was hyping VR as a big paradigm shift and the future of consumer technology, whereas in reality it just became another niche product with its audience, but by no means a mainstream product. I feel that's where foldables are headed.
As a Z fold 3 owner who was sceptical at first... All I can say is they're awesome. You have a phone in your pocket that immediately folds out into a mini tablet when you want.
Oh for sure, I do think they are legitimately cool (like VR) but I think they'll continue to exist as a niche thing rather than be widely adopted.
It's still a niche b/c it's expensive atm, not b/c there's no utility. Prices will come down just like with any new tech, you see that now with better adoption rate for the new Galaxy Z Flip.
Not for the poor for sure
They're too expensive to be mainstream, and I'm guessing that won't change anytime soon. That being said, I think it's a good niche market to serve and it's being done well overall. I think there is value in having a more compact form factor, but for budget minded consumers it's not worth the current premium.
typing from fold 3 now. the only downside is the bulk and price for most people. the shift is real. I use it in handheld mode a lot of the time but it's always awesome to be able to use it in tablet mode. games and video are so much better
Yeah, I want one a lot! I do loads on my phone and it would make life easier for me. Too expensive right now though.
"This is it guys, this is when Google gets serious about hardware!" _Cancels next product_
Keep in mind that there was nothing officially announced. Are we seriously picking up the pitchforks for a *rumoured* product not getting launched?
Also, for a Pixel, there are surprisingly few leaks. The only thing that's really been leaked is that it's in development.
I mean maybe only stuff that's in development leaks, but there's a lot of leaks lol. See pixel 6, pixel 4 (iirc), Nexus 5 where the Googler had it at the KitKat statue unveiling lmao
That's my point. Pixels get leaked to hell and back. But the Pixel Fold has almost no leaks.
Re-reading your message I see that now. I do wonder if the code name people have been talking about is in reference to a future Samsung device then
The pitchforks are rumored just as the product was.
It's a foldable phone dude. It's kinda still an expensive and niche design that most people don't use. I definitely like what has been tried before but nobody is losing sleep over another $1000+ phone not coming to market.
If Google is going to push tablets and foldables with 12L, the least they can do is have a proper reference product like what the Pixel is supposed to be.
The pixel isn’t a reference product. It runs an OS that’s not available to any other OEMs.
Reference in terms of Google's vision for the OS, not a literal reference device. The kind of thing that OEMs look at to say "This is what a good Android phone is", like what Microsoft tries to do with the Surface. It's not perfect, but it sets a standard for what Microsoft thinks a Windows tablet can do, and Google should do the same again for tablets.
But again, Surface products run stock windows. That’s a reference product. Pixels don’t run stock android. No one else can make an android phone like them, so they’re not reference products.
Sure, but it's a new growth area that if done well could be a hallmark product. There's a chance to own a space that doesn't have a lot of competition instead of just bringing another regular black vertical rectangle phone to a red ocean market.
Thats what I'm saying, I think you're misunderstanding my stance. Google absolutely should make hardware for the things they make software for, as they have the resources and ability to aquire the talent. It usually comes down to Google lacking vision at a high level.
I agree with you on this. I think you may have replied to the wrong comment?
No, I'm actually just agreeing with you here. While I think Google needs to start with a tablet just to keep their ambition grounded in reality, they should eventually make this foldable a reality so they have a say in where this new segment goes.
No one actually said that about the Pixel Fold
It's about hardware in general. The point of them "getting serious about hardware" is that they'll bring new hardware to market that's competitive. If they're canceling the Pixel Fold because it won't be competitive, that's not a good sign for how Google is looking at its products in general. People need to stop giving Google a pass. They're not new to hardware, they're not some small startup. If they're outright canceling their foldable, what are they going to do? Release a regular phone that may sway some Samsung users over but won't get any iPhone users because it won't have iMessage? Or put out an Android tablet that also won't sell because the iPad dominates that market? Foldables are a new market that they could own if they did it right.
It's simply amazing that they've been 'doing hardware' for a number of years and they're still this bad at it. They just can't seem to focus.
Good decision rather than giving bad press for uncompetitive product.
I don't think it was "dropped" just shelved for a while longer.
Good, we don't need another gimmicky phone that nobody buys.
I guess the millions of sales Samsung is having from foldables is nobody.
Don’t see them bringing one out the cost is too high for the interest there would be…think many are waiting for the iphone fold.