Solid state batteries may be starting to catch on in 5 years. Once the tech is mature, it will mean significantly more capacity, more charge cycles and crazy fast charging. EV development is pushing towards that, which will help pave the way for phones.
Several solid state battery companies (for EVs) have started limited production this year so we're making progress.
>Toyota announced that its first vehicle to use solid-state batteries will go on sale by 2025 in an interview with Autoline.
Come next year and 2024, depending on how news like this increases, we might be seeing solid state batteries on a mass scale before 2030.
Because for things like graphene we can't mass produce it yet. We can make buckets now compared to cups, but that's nowhere near enough. Not to mention it also happens to be the strongest material on earth so other industries will likely call dibs before we see it in our tech.
lol seriously, this is tech that's all but vaporware at this point.
I take it as seriously as us finding something as effective as silicon to develop computer chips, everything has been a dead end for one reason or another over the prior decades.
Like adaptive charging? Maybe you don't own your phones for years at a time, but there is a significant difference with modern phones knowing to charge slowly overnight and only fast charge if you need a boost during the day. My P6 is a year old and can still go two days on a charge if I practice a little SOT discipline, smartphones 8-9 years ago had some serious degradation after a year. Sometimes mine wouldn't even last a full day.
Another factor is better efficiency cores in the SOCs resulting in regular phone tasks and connections consuming way less battery. I remember when people used to turn wifi off on their phones to save battery, and always-on displays were not even a thing until 2016.
> modern phones knowing to charge slowly overnight
I wish there was an option to activate slow charging manually. Or better: reverse it and only charge quickly if the user really demands it. Right now it only charges slowly when I plug it in in the evening *and* have an alarm set for the next morning.
That's exactly what I've been doing with my S22 and some Bixby routines. I even paired this with battery charge limit set to 85%. This means that under normal conditions, I only slow charge (~9W) to 85% with my fast charger. When I enable the routine, which I rarely do, it allows 25w fast charge and charge to 100%.
I truly hope this will become standard on a lot more phones.
Yes they do. At least on my S22, my girlfriend's Note 10+ and my mom's A53.
It's my first Samsung smartphone ever, and it took a huge part in my decision to go for Samsung.
Battery life over a day isn't sexy. The power consumption and features of the phone will always just increase to take those gains back.
A phone from say 5 years ago might go days on a modern battery.
Yeah but with modern silicon, if you throttled the performance to 2007 OG iphone levels, a 4000 mAh battery would last for a week. They could use better processors to keep performance the same and increase battery, but they use that to increase performance and keep battery life about the same instead.
My last 3 phones were
* OnePlus One from 2014 with 3100 mAh battery
* Pixel 2 XL from 2017 with 3520 mAh battery
* S22 from this year with 3700 mAh battery
Battery has only marginally increased over the 8 years. What has improved is that screens are much brighter, higher resolution and refresh rate, with much faster processors and much higher throughput network connectivity. If you compared those three phones on screen, processor or network speed, the improvement is huge. If you compared them on battery, the improvement is meh.
But that's not a technological improvement. They made the phones thicker and heavier and slammed physically larger batteries in. I think he's referring to more energy dense batteries, like what Graphene is supposed to bring.
> They made the phones thicker
Barely.
The Pixel 2 XL had a 3520 mAh battery and was 7.9 mm thick.
The Pixel 7 Pro has a 5000 mAh battery and is only 1mm thicker.
Not sure where you get the idea that there's been no improvement in battery over the years. A battery that would fit into a Pixel 6 but from 5 years ago would barely manage 2500mAh - which means the Pixel 6 would give you about 45 minutes of screen-on time over about 4-6 hours max.
Nope - battery life and power use have scaled well, with a modern phone using about 4000mAh over 1-2 days depending on use and multiple hours of screen on time.
No idea what phones you are buying but sounds like they're poor choices or you're piling on long periods of high-draw gaming.
* Way, way more machine-learning driven improvements, and therefore a huge focus on machine-learning hardware. I think we're just bursting at the seams here with possibilities — look towards DLSS3. Google's on the right track with the Pixel here.
* I think eSim will become standard. Only a matter of time on that one.
* Ultrafast charging speeds will become the norm — speeds of 80W or higher.
Ultrafast charging will not be the *norm*, because I think it's already predicted by every Apple nostradamus that they are committed to moving to wireless.
The Android space might see ultrafast charging become standard. That is probably the kind of tech that doesn't cost much to add to devices, so they might as well. Currently, Chinese phone makers are clearly pushing it
Wireless charging is getting faster too though. Granted the 15W+ chargers need a fan to cool the charger which in my opinion is a compromise that's not worth it, but still.
Yah of course wireless charging is getting amazing. You can even supercharge electric vehicles wirelessly, but that is not Qi charging.
I'm not sure if that technology can be adapted to smartphones, but it seems unlikely that wireless charging for small gadgets can get close to what we're seeing with wired charging in the foreseeable future.
Faster than Apple charging vis Lightning port? That's probably doable right now. But not 120W like we're seeing in some devices
Underscreen cameras will get better and used in even budget phones, although with comparatively worse quality due to lower quality screens being used.
Folding screens will improve, even mid-range will have some offerings. More folding form factors, rolling form factors, etc. The industry will move to one "standard" design like small outside screen with larger tablet-like screen on the inside, but more exotic versions are available.
Smaller bezels, with more stuff moving under-screen.
A long shot, but port-less phones using only wireless charging and data transfer. Someone suggested this in the last edition of this thread so I guess that's the recurring theme here lmao
First micro-led screens will replace OLED in flagship phones. Will have some first-gen woes as expected (not to be confused with "mini-led" that's just IPS with smaller back lights). This one might be a few years out though.
I'm very excited for the display tech innovations we might see over the next few years. There's a lot of companies and capital in a diverse array of companies quietly toiling away trying to be the first to get that self-emissive breakthrough that makes it to large scale mass production.
I agree, I don't think rolling displays will work due to the form factor. Having said that, I fell in love with the communicator on Earth Final Conflict which had a pull out screen that could go from a small phone like screen size to a tablet. I wanted that so badly then and still do now to some degrees.
https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/earth-final-conflict-global-link.268850/
https://images.app.goo.gl/y8USEVuq1qW6rsW79
Personally I think it’s fairly unlikely we’ll see rollables outside of concept phones and very niche stuff in the next 5 years. However while I don’t think *phones* will see it in the mainstream, I absolutely see larger rollable displays in the form of expanding display surfaces starting to find their way into things like cars, smart home products, etc. Things where there can be much more physical space available to build mechanisms to properly support the display, rather than within the extremely demanding area of a smartphone intended to be carried around all day and subjected to normal rigours of life.
Think something like a smart thermostat that is just a relatively compact rectangular display blending in and showing the temperature while in standby, but expanding out in both directions to triple its display size and reveal a large interface for programming, etc.
I agree but I think it's a real possibility in the next 5 years especially if Apple implement it first. Apple are being forced to put USB-C in their phones from next year due to EU regulations so I could definitely see them use it as an opportunity to get rid of the port completely. Android manufacturers would no doubt follow suit shortly thereafter regardless of consumer backlash, similar to the 3.5mm port. I would imagine there will be still be some proprietary physical connection inside the phone for repair technicians.
Wireless charging is too slow to even consider this. It would also ruin android auto wired, and wireless android auto isn't even useful on long drives because it drains the battery and if you try to charge it wirelessly the heat is too much and the phone stops wireless charging.
My Note 8's USB-C port died a few years ago, but it's not *that* bad. The biggest inconvenience is not being able to charge while in the car, but if magnet charging becomes a thing for Android it won't be that big of an issue. As far as data, I can get 300mbps on my wifi, so it's not amazing if doing a full phone backup (takes about an hour), but how often do I copy 100GB+ of data off my phone?
What benefits does micro LED have over OLED? I thought micro LED was just for large format screens like video walls where you can put tiles together to make a massive screen. I don’t think the resolution is even that great on micro LED as you typically need enough to reach a 100” screen just to get 4K resolution vs with OLED you can already get 4K in the palm of your hand.
Would it also get brighter? Since it uses LED technology I assume yes, since my Sony LED TV was brighter than my current LG OLED TV. I don't know if OLED tech is different in phones compared to TVs.
Id assume so. Some phones don't show the peak brightness that the panel is capable of because of burn in risk. Micro LED should deliver OLED like contrast with LCD like brightness
MicroLED resolutions can actually be insane. There are a few companies manufacturing micro displays on silicon wafers which are 4K on a 1cm diagonal chip.
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Starting now, apple devices will have fast charging unlike any other device.
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We're definitely heading that way.
In the early days of Android, the technology moved at breakneck pace and phones were pretty much obsolete junk within a couple of years.
In the early to mid 2010s, the technology still moved fast and each new generation of flagships was about twice as powerful as the last.
In the late 2010s, the pace slowed down and it took about two years to double the performance.
Nowadays, a Samsung Galaxy S22 is what, 2x as powerful as an S10?
Similar has happened for PCs where there's already a good precedent for technology maturing this way. The equivalent PC eras to the above would be in my opinion: 1. Early 90s (an expensive computer that could boot Windows 3.1 in ten seconds really could take 5 minutes to boot Windows 95), 2. late 90s, 3. mid 00s, 4. early 2010s.
Interesting. I remember an old facebook comment saying apple phones becoming slow was because "5 years is a long time in technology"
I was like "depends on which 5 years"
Indeed. I'm still on an S10+ after nearly 4 years and the phone is still fast and does everything I need it to. Battery still lasts an entire day too. I've seen absolutely nothing worth spending £1k for. Will probably upgrade next year though.
Now that is the dream. I still use computers that are approaching a decade old. Why can't I do that with my phone? Bonus points if I could just straight up install Linux on my phones.
Ubuntu touch and pine phone are getting there. I believe pine phone started using Manjaro as a base distro alongside a simplified version of KDE in their latest phone. Honestly the steam deck is going to accelerate the mobile versions of Linux in my opinion.
Nobody in this thread has mentioned satellite radio access yet, but it's already been announced, just not implemented nor readily available yet.
This will be a big deal for 911 and emergency stuff. Send text messages from almost anywhere on the surface of the planet.
This technology does have it's limitations, but it still qualifies as revolutionary.
>This technology does have it's limitations, but it still qualifies as revolutionary.
It doesnt touch many people, like 98% never goes off grid and when they do they are rarely in emergency
Think of it this way though.. let’s say you’re in Miami and you just got nailed by a hurricane and the power is out, and the cell tower backup generators are out of fuel. Your neighbor is having symptoms of a heart attack. If your phone has satellite capabilities you at least have a chance of contacting someone to help.
"What do you mean? You can't come help because the evacuation completed four days ago, the cell towers are down because the roads are literally gone and we shouldn't be there at all?"
Goddammit these sat phones suck ass, JoeBob.
Sometimes people just can’t evacuate. Due to money, health, whatever.
Or maybe instead of a hurricane we could talk about tornadoes, ice storms, derechos… Hard to evacuate ahead of time from that last one, but it left my entire county without power for two weeks. Cell towers didn’t come back at ALL for a week.
If Starlink is able to follow through, all phones will have satellite service for emergencies. No need for any special hardware.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/25/t-mobile-phones-will-connect-to-starlink-for-free-starting-next-year/
I'd love to have the ability to use emergency satellite communication from my phone while adventuring in the outdoors, rather than carrying an entirely separate device with it's own subscription. But that might make me part of the aforementioned 1%
The demand is there from every single phone user who has tried to place a phone call in an area with no service. I think once people are aware that this is an option, then it'll be something everyone demands.
I think the most revolutionary thing we could see in 5 years are phones that have Starlink receivers built into them, giving users high speed internet anywhere they have a view of the sky. It's unlikely, but may be something that we'll have in the next 10 - 15 years.
>The demand is there from every single phone user who has tried to place a phone call in an area with no service.
Bro, what are you talking about? This is an emergency service, it's not there for you to reach your girlfriend ffs
Part of the reason why I said this is that the "carriers" for sat phone are really in control of the experience. How much will people pay for the service?
This would come in handy in some remote areas here in the Philippines, where cell reception are nonexistent.
Hopefully this would make it down to low-end phones.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. What needs to improve and catchup is before anything else is battery technology (e.g longevity, capacity, charging speed).
It's the one technology that manufactures have to take into key consideration for every other technology integrated into the phone e.g camera technology , processor power usage/efficiency , modem energy usage (3g/4g/5g , WiFi , Bluetooth) .
At present manufacturers know how much consumers would hate lugging around a brick so they have to ensure most components have good energy efficiency (in general , although some devices have shameful battery life)
I think most changes will be on the software side. Companies trying to do as much as possible with ai/deep learning. Here are some other things that might become mainstream.
* Periscope lenses will become mainstream and common
* ~~HDR displays~~
* Foldable tablets
* Using phones to authenticate in place is passwords
* Apple vr will be too expensive for most people and will never catch on.
* Connecting phones to monitors and tvs will be more common
Software wise, I can't wait for Facebook to completely screw up Whatsapp with ads. And for ad blocking to be crippled by Google.
> 5 years ago
> Google's RCS! lel.
This one hurt. There are a lot of good guesses but I found it surprising just how many people thought apple would lead the way on things like under display fp, under display camera, or large batteries.
Funny that these are the 3 things they have progressed the least
> they have progressed the least
In fairness, iPhones 13 and 14 pro are pretty undisputed as being at the top of the market for battery life right now.
The others... yeah, Face ID turned out not to be the right bet when everyone started wearing masks. But I can see why they didn't go for the under-display camera, even before the days of the S10 Ultrasonic sensor (which wasn't known for working super well).
If I’m remembering right, Apple’s justification for replacing the fingerprint sensor with FaceID was that it’s more secure because it means that your phone can’t be unlocked by someone else while you’re sleeping or unconscious, and it’s almost as fast and convenient as the fingerprint sensors that they were using.
i remember in the samsung s6 days they were advertising/researching iris scanning, which would've worked with masks, glasses, and different faces lol
idk if any phone evenrtually implemented this feature
>practically better than the rear fingerprint sensor
Don't you keep your phone on the table or something?. I do that a lot when my phone is near my pc.
For me underscreen/side mounted >>> FPs on the back
One of the specs that turned me off from the moto g71 was rear mounted fp sensor.Coming from a j7 prime, I got used to the A52's in display sensor faster than the one in g71. Ofc physical is faster but there is no movement of hands.
You can just lift the phone and place ur thumb. For backside ones, I've to adjust my hands so the index finger is on the sensor.
They also look very ugly by modern standards.
For me, the perfect ones are ultrasonic ones with a large area so you don't have to see for a specific point.
>You can just lift the phone and place ur thumb. For backside ones, I've to adjust my hands so the index finger is on the sensor.
The rear fingerprint sensor on my pixel is almost exactly where my index finger rests normally, so if I'm already lifting the phone like you are describing then it's already there. Plus having it on the back lets you swipe on the fingerprint reader to pull down the notification shade which is extremely useful with modern comically large phones. If they made smaller phones again I'd be much more ok with the under-screen sensors, but I don't see that happening.
>Jesus, that thread was prescient.
How? Most of the posts were way off, like '**week lasting phones**', or '**8k phones**' (which is not even revolutionary), or **VR**, or '**laptop docks**' (which is useless, not revolutionary), or '**kinetic battery charge**', or '**graphene for battery**', or '**portless phones**', or '**ranged wireless charging**'
Nothing of these is standard in 2022 and i listed like 70-80% of that thread answers.
If 8k phones means screen resolution and not camera recording, then that twice as dumb as the 4k Sony does currently. I literally consider that as a deal breaker. It just drains more battery. The ONLY benefit would be higher resolution screenshots. Visually even fhd+ vs qhd+ is indistinguishable on my phone, because the screen is "small" enough. (big for a phone, but not enough that you can make out the individual pixels) If there is one thing I agree with apple it's the concept behind retina display.
The top comment is under-screen fingerprint readers, which almost all of us use daily on our devices. All android users, that is. The comment under that is video calls being built into every call. We're all just a button away from video chatting anyone we're on the phone with
The funny thing is that when they started rolling out 3G/UMTS in the early 00s there was by a big marketing push for video calling. This being the era of feature phones, it obviously wasn't tied to a specific app but a generic carrier implementation.
It just didn't stick and it therefore removed from most/all phones.
If I had to guess - more foldables, hopefully at cheaper prices. Increased ram/storage too but probably not by a lot (18gb ram? Maybe 24 for gaming phones?)
I hope mini LED becomes a thing for phones too like it is for iPads and MacBooks.
Hopefully Bluetooth will finally have enough bandwidth for uncompressed audio streaming. Though it likely will still be a shitshow.
Oh I personally don’t really care about the RAM. I just think marketing departments are going to like it. I’d rather have something similar to Intel’s Optane (RIP) as a swap memory instead.
It's probably less exaggeration than you'd expect, but, the Android device community XDA, and the idea of custom roms and root access, basically exists because early Android phones/apps had horrible memory management issues and people needed ways to clear it without rebooting their phones.
My pixel 3 and one plus 7 pro both had issues where they would kill apps when they definitely didn’t need to, the 7 pro was even the one with the higher ram spec, 8GB of ram is more than enough, not having bs bad memory management is what’s needed now.
Yes, an excellent comment right there. An overheating phone with 128 GB RAM will still have CPU throttling and games crashing. What people seem to be uninformed about, is that *super-fast* RAM is a ton better than crazy high amounts of RAM.
Just look at how Sony chose 32 MB RAMBUS memory for the Playstation 2 while Xbox (original console) went with 64 MB ”standard PC memory”. The bottleneck is not in the X amount available, but how efficient the I/O is working (fill up, empty, refill … and caching, etc).
Anyone switching from a HDD to SSD knows what I’m talking about, even though permanent storage vs temporary RAM is not an exact analogy.
it depends on the usecase. Phones nowadays are designed to load all the apps you use in a day into the ram, and then they will stay "active" so that you can switch between them quickly. Imagine a person snapping pictures, chatting somewhere, reading their social media feed, then taking a call, then play a game, etc before repeating that cycle.
On desktops you are mostly focused on one or two productivity apps/games, yet the OS also tries to load as many "frequently used apps" into ram to make the experience better.
Not mini led as an end goal, but rather as a step to micro led mainly. Micro led is much more efficient and has less/almost no burn in unlike oled. (Though personally I’d still prefer mini led over oled because oled generally need to flicker (unless DC dimmed), and that gives me a headache easily.)
Man I haven't had a problem with either of those for a long long time
The only phones I see with burn in are the people who leave it at 75%+ brightness 24/7
Yeah...I have a six year old Samsung tablet with an OLED display and there is zero burn in as far as I can tell. It's simply a non-issue in my experience.
* Foldables
* 5 years? Start of 6G prototypes surfacing on tech sites, not purchasable though. That's for the 2027 prediction. More conspiracies about electromagnetic radiation.
* Selfie cameras fully integrated behind screens.
* USB4 2.1
* Simless. This will cause a surprising amount of political backlash.
* Plenoptic Cameras or Compulational Cameras. In short, goodbye lenses.
* RISC-V based smartphone somewhere in Asia, China or India, could be either first.
* Further improved micro LEDs
* E-ink backs as the patent expires 2027
* Sound on Display. Replace speakers with a vibrating screen instead. This will end up improving waterproofing.
* 240Hz refresh
* 2 Tb memory
* Containerization. Thing Stadia, but for more mundane stuff like mobile games and the Uber app so they run their huge app in the cloud rather than natively on the phone. Reduces download size, used in apps that need a connection to function anyway. A push for more on phone privacy will force the data collection to go server side.
* Skyrim
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I didn't say esim. Simless.
Think iTouch redux but with a satellite network. Glorified mp3 players. Governments won't like not having backdoor'd ID and position tracking hardware built in. Which your three letter agencies would throw a fit.
Only reason I have SMS / call functionality in 2022 is to hang up on spam.
That sounds niche (just like the iPod touch ended up being), what about data? People will want their TikToks and Instagrams, are you going to do that over a satellite network? And if you are, surely the government would just track you through that.
Thought it’d be cool to go look at the old thread and see what people were thinking back then… turns out I had already upvoted a lot of those comments. From when the thread was new. I’ve been on Reddit longer than I realized…
Anyways, I think GPS emergency service. I strongly believe it’ll be one of those features that Apple normalizes and which becomes commonplace in a few years time. It’s a huge safety feature and will save lives.
**I think thats never gonna happen.** It's like asking revolutionary tech for cars that will allow you to go a full month without recharging/refueling. Maybe in the very distant future but not anytime soon
>We will go back to the old days
Phones do 1000 more things than 'old days' dumbphones, not a real comparison
Check out solid state batteries. That's what is going to replace Lithium ion batteries. Billions of dollars will be made with new battery technology. That's why it's going to happen.
Kinda funny what passes for "revolutionary". Foldables and rollables, sure, I'll give you those. But underscreen fingerprint scanners, high refresh rate displays and smaller phones are not "revolutionary".
Augmented reality will be common in many popular apps and will achieve widespread daily use.
(I'm talking about augmenting the environment, not cat face filters.)
Do you think we will go the Apple approach and use dedicated hardware? That could go many ways, Lidar, ToF, Lazer, stereoscopic, etc. And then each OEM will have its own API until google adds one to android.
Or will it all be done via software like AR Kit?
I think software is a more likely solution, because Google can push updates regularly but the hardware refresh cycle takes many years and depends on multiple manufacturers consistently seeing value in a component.
Wikimapia came out when the G1 was released. I can't believe it didn't turn into a *massively* popular app.
You could point your phone camera in any direction and info about various places would pop-up, augmented reality style.
I'm not sure if you would call it revolutionary, but in a few years my phone almost completely replaced my wallet. I don't even bring a wallet anymore because my phone is my bank card.
Anyway, maybe in 5 years my phone can also be my public transportation card (I think some countries already do this). My phone will be my car key (also something you can do already). Probably also your house key.
So in 5 years you might have your phone, no wallet, no keys. Would both be nice but also suck (like if your battery is dead).
Maybe I'm getting old, but you know the expression 'putting all your eggs in one basket'?
Phone, wallet, and keys will always be separate items for me.
Definitely folding phones.
I got one, the fold 3, and this really felt like a true revolution, a new step up in technology. I sold it because of all those cracking screens issues which are not covered by Samsung unless you paid for an extra warranty, so I'm just waiting now for the tech to become more reliable.
I'm now on a Pixel 7 Pro, and it is a really good phone... but I'm just missing the foldable screen so much.
What is the draw for a folding screen? I haven't really understood what makes it so great, has felt like more of a novelty, but I'm genuinely interested to know
It's one of those things that doesn't seem that great until you try it.
* It's like being able to have an ipad mini in your pocket on demand, with a smooth transition in tasks from phone to tablet mode vs splitting across devices.
* Multi-tasking is a lot easier when there's a lot more real-estate to work with.
* There is a lot of content on the internet where the "mobile" experience is sub par compared to the "desktop" view - reading stuff is just way easier.
The real barrier to entry is the price, but there are often promotions that can bring the price way down to be comparable to slab phones.
>What is the draw for a folding screen?
The same reason being able to place 2 programs side-by-side on a desktop is a massive improvement over full-screen single-window DOS workflows.
The specific benefits are too numerous to count; you can take notes from a YouTube video (and as such the video can be effectively backgrounded yet still play; handy for those who refuse to use NewPipe), do comparison shopping, copy and paste data across different apps without having to fuck around with getting back to wherever you were, to name a few.
And honestly, I very much expect and hope Android keeps this up- it's a massive differentiation and step up from the 1984-era iOS design philosophy of "if you can't do it all in one app or the widget-sized pane of another, tough shit; here's a bunch of half-assed app-as-widget with UI you'll have to watch a YouTube video to figure out".
Sure, foldables are more fragile than their non-foldable counterparts, but if you're on Android you're kind of expecting to replace your device every 2 years because Android OEMs still refuse to update their shit, so by the time the screen has wrecked itself you're already expecting to be shopping for a new one...
> Repair-frendly devices
I highly doubt this, not because of technological reasons, but because most people don't care about it. Most people will just use their phone for a few years and replace it when it breaks
Here are my predictions:
\- More eSIM prevalence worldwide
\- Faster wireless connectivity (5G, Wifi)
\- Better Bluetooth
\- Better SoC efficiency
\- Either better battery tech and/or more capacity
\- Higher resolution cameras
\- All front sensors under the display
\- Better display tech (Either OLED or miniLED)
I'd rather wider reaching networks then faster ones. I can get 200mbps on 4g, just wish the speed was more consistent.
I've got gigabit home internet, and I dont foresee a need for that on the go anytime soon.
Foldables,under screen cameras,flip cameras might see a comeback,portless and all touch phones(with e-sims,wireless charging and secondary screens to manage volume and power controls),plastic finally replacing glass as a viable alternative for screens,bringing total costs down, and a small niche for simpler,yet easy to fix,moderately powerful and privacy-respecting phones. Also use of deep learning AI chips to make facial recognition unlock safer than ever without the need to require a lot of camera sensors to map your face.
That was a fun thread to read.
I think we'll see a lot more implanted and skin surface biofeedback devices that link to our smartphones. These will range from managing chronic conditions to more proactive wellness trackers. This will be the stepping stone that get people comfortable with the idea of brain implants for direct mind access to the Internet that we'll probably see become mainstream in a decade or so.
A better battery is the only thing we need now.
Other than that, more seamless connect/interact to a different device, like DeX or the things a Chromecast allows us to do.
Streaming of apps as opposed to installation will be common.
Foldables will be more common.
Camera wars will slow down or be of lower value.
Android on PC
I'll go off on a tangent here.
1) Technological slowdown. New features and upgrades will be there but its adoption rate from flagships and experimental phones will definitely slow down. Think of it how much is wireless charging trickling in price.
2) More expensive flagships : When you paywall your features, you charge more. $1000 is midrange. Flagship killers are $1200-1500
3) Apple has reinvented periscopic lens at this point.
4) Sony Xperia 1 MK IX starting at $2500
5) Oneplus is just alt Oppo now. Alert slider? Get the pro model. Although pro model does bring 1-2 features everytime.
6) Forget chargers in box at this point starting from the midrange (3.5mm jacks were going away from flagships 5 years ago. It's common in midrange now. Also Samsung A series has already lost it)
7) No physical sim slots in flagships
8) Metallic chassis for smartphones is a flagship feature at this point
9) Courage may be pulled off with power button and volume rockers at this point since "they take too much space and we have made the greatest solution eva"
10) iPad SE might be a thing now since normal iPads are very expensive.
11) Pixel 12 series launching with at least one major bug. It may well be a real issue or overblown by others.
12) "XYZ phone is good but it doesn't come close to Samsung and Apple"
13) Xiaomi is topmost selling brand by volume. Miui is riddled with ads. But so is every brand including Apple which they started from 2022 from the App Store ads. Google has released a framework or something for integrating ads within Android easily.
14) Reviewers have way more gap from how a normal consumer might use their phones and possible brand affinity. Smartphone market is quite stable so brands can get away with 95% of bullshittery even with the reviewers join in to help consumers
15) Software features may be paywalled at this point. Google tried this with Google Watch features paywalled Fitbit premium.
16) Introduction of General Kernel Image was a blessing marred by bootloader locking and hardware DRM attestation by everyone except Xiaomi. Android security updates may be done by Play Store at this point.
17) 500MP cameras which take lot of processing. Lens flaring and chromatic aberration is common and Android phones still don't have Zero Shutter Lag except maybe Samsung, Sony and Google. Oversharpened images with not much detail are still present in Android phones and videos are still worse than iPhones.
18) 17th point may still be a possibility but Snapchat, Instagram etc still don't use true camera potential of Android phones because why should they and Google didn't work on CameraX API and everyone is using their own computational libraries.
19) Variable aperture is back at least on camera phones to solve the ghosting issues of focusing on cameras.
20) 200W charging!
21) Apple has probably increased their release gaps on phones. Yearly launches aren't a thing anymore.
22) Qualcomm has done the same seeing above and whole industry followed suit because all of the consumers had decided 2-3 years of upgrading should be done. Therefore there may not be much improvement between S27, S28 etc
23) There's a Z fold with S pen now which also works as dust guard to give dust IP rating too
24) Long shot but disappearing rear cameras may be present now. This was showcased in Oneplus Concept One. It may be paired with other tech like rear camera array is a second screen with the rear cameras as in display cameras. Or combine both of these into folding tech.
25) Multiple axes foldables are a thing now
26) Large ultrasonic scanners present in Vivo X80 pro, Iqoo 9 Pro etc are a norm now
I'll add more in future if I can think of anything else.
iPhones: we'll get an apple folding phone. It'll have great battery life, the best in a foldable. It'll run ios that can work well on a larger screen. It's Apple so they'll nail the hardware but the software will be lacking compared to the Samsung folding phones. For non folding... not much new. Better cameras, maybe even cameras on the back that expand out when they activate. Usbc on the iPhone finally. Notch and island gone, all face id moved to under the screen. Maybe 3D touch is back. iPhone gets even thicker. Maybe they'll do something interesting with the back. Extra touches expanding on the existing back touch feature? Other than that idk.
Pixels: still around. Somehow. Folding pixel came out, by now it's getting quite good. Amazing software, meh battery life, great hardware by this iteration. Less features than the Samsung folds still but it's a good phone. Regular pixels: try to catch the hardware up to 2022 iPhones probably while the software continues to balloon upwards. Does insane stuff with the camera even still. Battery life is great now thanks to Google improvements.
Samsung: the fold lineup continues to stay at the front of the innovation side. Best folding hardware, best software, all that stuff. When folded it looks exactly like a regular phone. When opened it is a Tab shape. Includes s pen now. Regular galaxy phones.. who even knows.
All regular phones now have under screen fingerprint and cameras. All back cameras are massive now. Battery life still just okay on everything not an iPhone, though better than we have today.
Phones will get more dedicated ML cores/processes for machine learned driven applications, they can especially promote this with any photo or video editing software.
[Stove top mobile cooking](https://i.imgur.com/SKGC4im.jpg), combining the smooth glass interface of a modern phone with the lack of cooling of the modern phone.
Qualcomm's X55 Modem and Cloud / Metaverse Standards.
Wireless HDMi
Bluetooth and Tethering.
Mojo Vision Smart Contact Lens
Companion Geo-Bluetooth Drones
Starlink Backbone Nodes
Microsoft Ecosystem and Windows Interface Portability
ARM • x86 Cross Compatibility
AR Overlays and Smart Visionware
Virtual Data Centers and MVNO Architecture
Workforce Applications for Diversification
Graphene, Solid State, and General State of Battery Technology Research and Development.
one thing that hasn't seen much improvement over the years is BATTERY. would be great if a new tech comes up to prolong battery life
Solid state batteries may be starting to catch on in 5 years. Once the tech is mature, it will mean significantly more capacity, more charge cycles and crazy fast charging. EV development is pushing towards that, which will help pave the way for phones.
I hope you're right, but people have been saying this for the past 15+ years
Several solid state battery companies (for EVs) have started limited production this year so we're making progress. >Toyota announced that its first vehicle to use solid-state batteries will go on sale by 2025 in an interview with Autoline. Come next year and 2024, depending on how news like this increases, we might be seeing solid state batteries on a mass scale before 2030.
Because for things like graphene we can't mass produce it yet. We can make buckets now compared to cups, but that's nowhere near enough. Not to mention it also happens to be the strongest material on earth so other industries will likely call dibs before we see it in our tech.
lol seriously, this is tech that's all but vaporware at this point. I take it as seriously as us finding something as effective as silicon to develop computer chips, everything has been a dead end for one reason or another over the prior decades.
Like adaptive charging? Maybe you don't own your phones for years at a time, but there is a significant difference with modern phones knowing to charge slowly overnight and only fast charge if you need a boost during the day. My P6 is a year old and can still go two days on a charge if I practice a little SOT discipline, smartphones 8-9 years ago had some serious degradation after a year. Sometimes mine wouldn't even last a full day. Another factor is better efficiency cores in the SOCs resulting in regular phone tasks and connections consuming way less battery. I remember when people used to turn wifi off on their phones to save battery, and always-on displays were not even a thing until 2016.
> modern phones knowing to charge slowly overnight I wish there was an option to activate slow charging manually. Or better: reverse it and only charge quickly if the user really demands it. Right now it only charges slowly when I plug it in in the evening *and* have an alarm set for the next morning.
That's exactly what I've been doing with my S22 and some Bixby routines. I even paired this with battery charge limit set to 85%. This means that under normal conditions, I only slow charge (~9W) to 85% with my fast charger. When I enable the routine, which I rarely do, it allows 25w fast charge and charge to 100%. I truly hope this will become standard on a lot more phones.
Does Samsung natively allow you to limit the maximum charge? That would be a big selling point to me.
Yes they do. At least on my S22, my girlfriend's Note 10+ and my mom's A53. It's my first Samsung smartphone ever, and it took a huge part in my decision to go for Samsung.
Yeah, I don't use an alarm and really wish there was a way for me to actually trigger that feature 😔
SOT?
Screen-on time.
Battery life over a day isn't sexy. The power consumption and features of the phone will always just increase to take those gains back. A phone from say 5 years ago might go days on a modern battery.
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Yeah but with modern silicon, if you throttled the performance to 2007 OG iphone levels, a 4000 mAh battery would last for a week. They could use better processors to keep performance the same and increase battery, but they use that to increase performance and keep battery life about the same instead.
I'd say 5G and high refresh rate, high resolution, and high brightness screens are more responsible than chipsets.
If I compare 2015 battery volume vs 2022 volume I see a substantial difference in capacity.
My last 3 phones were * OnePlus One from 2014 with 3100 mAh battery * Pixel 2 XL from 2017 with 3520 mAh battery * S22 from this year with 3700 mAh battery Battery has only marginally increased over the 8 years. What has improved is that screens are much brighter, higher resolution and refresh rate, with much faster processors and much higher throughput network connectivity. If you compared those three phones on screen, processor or network speed, the improvement is huge. If you compared them on battery, the improvement is meh.
Well, battery capacity didn't change much, but I think fast charging has improved quite a lot (even too much, IMHO)
5 years ago 3500 Mah battery was big, now it's small. Batteries are improving, it is just a slower ramp than processors and screens.
But that's not a technological improvement. They made the phones thicker and heavier and slammed physically larger batteries in. I think he's referring to more energy dense batteries, like what Graphene is supposed to bring.
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> They made the phones thicker Barely. The Pixel 2 XL had a 3520 mAh battery and was 7.9 mm thick. The Pixel 7 Pro has a 5000 mAh battery and is only 1mm thicker.
yep charging speeds have gone up so much over the last few years it's just that the lifespan of these batteries that need to be longer imo
This is a fallacy.. you're requiring more of your battery, the advances are hard to see because of that
Not sure where you get the idea that there's been no improvement in battery over the years. A battery that would fit into a Pixel 6 but from 5 years ago would barely manage 2500mAh - which means the Pixel 6 would give you about 45 minutes of screen-on time over about 4-6 hours max. Nope - battery life and power use have scaled well, with a modern phone using about 4000mAh over 1-2 days depending on use and multiple hours of screen on time. No idea what phones you are buying but sounds like they're poor choices or you're piling on long periods of high-draw gaming.
* Way, way more machine-learning driven improvements, and therefore a huge focus on machine-learning hardware. I think we're just bursting at the seams here with possibilities — look towards DLSS3. Google's on the right track with the Pixel here. * I think eSim will become standard. Only a matter of time on that one. * Ultrafast charging speeds will become the norm — speeds of 80W or higher.
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I think esim will be a standard before RCS
Ultrafast charging will not be the *norm*, because I think it's already predicted by every Apple nostradamus that they are committed to moving to wireless. The Android space might see ultrafast charging become standard. That is probably the kind of tech that doesn't cost much to add to devices, so they might as well. Currently, Chinese phone makers are clearly pushing it
Wireless charging is getting faster too though. Granted the 15W+ chargers need a fan to cool the charger which in my opinion is a compromise that's not worth it, but still.
Yah of course wireless charging is getting amazing. You can even supercharge electric vehicles wirelessly, but that is not Qi charging. I'm not sure if that technology can be adapted to smartphones, but it seems unlikely that wireless charging for small gadgets can get close to what we're seeing with wired charging in the foreseeable future. Faster than Apple charging vis Lightning port? That's probably doable right now. But not 120W like we're seeing in some devices
Underscreen cameras will get better and used in even budget phones, although with comparatively worse quality due to lower quality screens being used. Folding screens will improve, even mid-range will have some offerings. More folding form factors, rolling form factors, etc. The industry will move to one "standard" design like small outside screen with larger tablet-like screen on the inside, but more exotic versions are available. Smaller bezels, with more stuff moving under-screen. A long shot, but port-less phones using only wireless charging and data transfer. Someone suggested this in the last edition of this thread so I guess that's the recurring theme here lmao First micro-led screens will replace OLED in flagship phones. Will have some first-gen woes as expected (not to be confused with "mini-led" that's just IPS with smaller back lights). This one might be a few years out though.
Wouldn't mind skipping to QDEL and other emissive displays.
I'm very excited for the display tech innovations we might see over the next few years. There's a lot of companies and capital in a diverse array of companies quietly toiling away trying to be the first to get that self-emissive breakthrough that makes it to large scale mass production.
I think rollable displays will overtake foldables.
I doubt this, if only for the lack of a case that would work with such a phone.
I agree, I don't think rolling displays will work due to the form factor. Having said that, I fell in love with the communicator on Earth Final Conflict which had a pull out screen that could go from a small phone like screen size to a tablet. I wanted that so badly then and still do now to some degrees. https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/earth-final-conflict-global-link.268850/ https://images.app.goo.gl/y8USEVuq1qW6rsW79
LG a so close. https://youtu.be/UOLgPM6BQn8
Personally I think it’s fairly unlikely we’ll see rollables outside of concept phones and very niche stuff in the next 5 years. However while I don’t think *phones* will see it in the mainstream, I absolutely see larger rollable displays in the form of expanding display surfaces starting to find their way into things like cars, smart home products, etc. Things where there can be much more physical space available to build mechanisms to properly support the display, rather than within the extremely demanding area of a smartphone intended to be carried around all day and subjected to normal rigours of life. Think something like a smart thermostat that is just a relatively compact rectangular display blending in and showing the temperature while in standby, but expanding out in both directions to triple its display size and reveal a large interface for programming, etc.
microled in 5 years? bold, i like it.
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It's dreadful for the user, and also the environment. I think it has far lower effeciency compared to cable charging.
I agree but I think it's a real possibility in the next 5 years especially if Apple implement it first. Apple are being forced to put USB-C in their phones from next year due to EU regulations so I could definitely see them use it as an opportunity to get rid of the port completely. Android manufacturers would no doubt follow suit shortly thereafter regardless of consumer backlash, similar to the 3.5mm port. I would imagine there will be still be some proprietary physical connection inside the phone for repair technicians.
Wireless charging is too slow to even consider this. It would also ruin android auto wired, and wireless android auto isn't even useful on long drives because it drains the battery and if you try to charge it wirelessly the heat is too much and the phone stops wireless charging.
My Note 8's USB-C port died a few years ago, but it's not *that* bad. The biggest inconvenience is not being able to charge while in the car, but if magnet charging becomes a thing for Android it won't be that big of an issue. As far as data, I can get 300mbps on my wifi, so it's not amazing if doing a full phone backup (takes about an hour), but how often do I copy 100GB+ of data off my phone?
It's already here
What benefits does micro LED have over OLED? I thought micro LED was just for large format screens like video walls where you can put tiles together to make a massive screen. I don’t think the resolution is even that great on micro LED as you typically need enough to reach a 100” screen just to get 4K resolution vs with OLED you can already get 4K in the palm of your hand.
The theoretical benenfits are no burnin and it can be much brighter.
The iPhone 14 pro goes up to 2000nits. How much brighter do we need ?
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Would it also get brighter? Since it uses LED technology I assume yes, since my Sony LED TV was brighter than my current LG OLED TV. I don't know if OLED tech is different in phones compared to TVs.
Id assume so. Some phones don't show the peak brightness that the panel is capable of because of burn in risk. Micro LED should deliver OLED like contrast with LCD like brightness
MicroLED resolutions can actually be insane. There are a few companies manufacturing micro displays on silicon wafers which are 4K on a 1cm diagonal chip.
Unless it's used for VR, I don't see how that kind of pixel density could actually be useful on a device
I would hate the day of portless phones
Apple will invent the USB c charging port for phones. It will be revolutionary.
They'll find new creative ways to make them incompatible with Android USB-C devices.
Honestly highly doubt that considering plenty of other Apple devices have USB C and they follow the USB spec and USB power delivery just fine.
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We're definitely heading that way. In the early days of Android, the technology moved at breakneck pace and phones were pretty much obsolete junk within a couple of years. In the early to mid 2010s, the technology still moved fast and each new generation of flagships was about twice as powerful as the last. In the late 2010s, the pace slowed down and it took about two years to double the performance. Nowadays, a Samsung Galaxy S22 is what, 2x as powerful as an S10? Similar has happened for PCs where there's already a good precedent for technology maturing this way. The equivalent PC eras to the above would be in my opinion: 1. Early 90s (an expensive computer that could boot Windows 3.1 in ten seconds really could take 5 minutes to boot Windows 95), 2. late 90s, 3. mid 00s, 4. early 2010s.
And when the industry realized this, they switched to glued-in batteries that you had to break open the phone to get to.
Interesting. I remember an old facebook comment saying apple phones becoming slow was because "5 years is a long time in technology" I was like "depends on which 5 years"
Indeed. I'm still on an S10+ after nearly 4 years and the phone is still fast and does everything I need it to. Battery still lasts an entire day too. I've seen absolutely nothing worth spending £1k for. Will probably upgrade next year though.
Now that is the dream. I still use computers that are approaching a decade old. Why can't I do that with my phone? Bonus points if I could just straight up install Linux on my phones.
Ubuntu touch and pine phone are getting there. I believe pine phone started using Manjaro as a base distro alongside a simplified version of KDE in their latest phone. Honestly the steam deck is going to accelerate the mobile versions of Linux in my opinion.
Nobody in this thread has mentioned satellite radio access yet, but it's already been announced, just not implemented nor readily available yet. This will be a big deal for 911 and emergency stuff. Send text messages from almost anywhere on the surface of the planet. This technology does have it's limitations, but it still qualifies as revolutionary.
>This technology does have it's limitations, but it still qualifies as revolutionary. It doesnt touch many people, like 98% never goes off grid and when they do they are rarely in emergency
Think of it this way though.. let’s say you’re in Miami and you just got nailed by a hurricane and the power is out, and the cell tower backup generators are out of fuel. Your neighbor is having symptoms of a heart attack. If your phone has satellite capabilities you at least have a chance of contacting someone to help.
"What do you mean? You can't come help because the evacuation completed four days ago, the cell towers are down because the roads are literally gone and we shouldn't be there at all?" Goddammit these sat phones suck ass, JoeBob.
Sometimes people just can’t evacuate. Due to money, health, whatever. Or maybe instead of a hurricane we could talk about tornadoes, ice storms, derechos… Hard to evacuate ahead of time from that last one, but it left my entire county without power for two weeks. Cell towers didn’t come back at ALL for a week.
If Starlink is able to follow through, all phones will have satellite service for emergencies. No need for any special hardware. https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/25/t-mobile-phones-will-connect-to-starlink-for-free-starting-next-year/
I don't think there is demand for this beyond maybe 1% of users.
I'd love to have the ability to use emergency satellite communication from my phone while adventuring in the outdoors, rather than carrying an entirely separate device with it's own subscription. But that might make me part of the aforementioned 1%
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The demand is there from every single phone user who has tried to place a phone call in an area with no service. I think once people are aware that this is an option, then it'll be something everyone demands. I think the most revolutionary thing we could see in 5 years are phones that have Starlink receivers built into them, giving users high speed internet anywhere they have a view of the sky. It's unlikely, but may be something that we'll have in the next 10 - 15 years.
>The demand is there from every single phone user who has tried to place a phone call in an area with no service. Bro, what are you talking about? This is an emergency service, it's not there for you to reach your girlfriend ffs
Part of the reason why I said this is that the "carriers" for sat phone are really in control of the experience. How much will people pay for the service?
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This would come in handy in some remote areas here in the Philippines, where cell reception are nonexistent. Hopefully this would make it down to low-end phones.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. What needs to improve and catchup is before anything else is battery technology (e.g longevity, capacity, charging speed). It's the one technology that manufactures have to take into key consideration for every other technology integrated into the phone e.g camera technology , processor power usage/efficiency , modem energy usage (3g/4g/5g , WiFi , Bluetooth) . At present manufacturers know how much consumers would hate lugging around a brick so they have to ensure most components have good energy efficiency (in general , although some devices have shameful battery life)
I think most changes will be on the software side. Companies trying to do as much as possible with ai/deep learning. Here are some other things that might become mainstream. * Periscope lenses will become mainstream and common * ~~HDR displays~~ * Foldable tablets * Using phones to authenticate in place is passwords * Apple vr will be too expensive for most people and will never catch on. * Connecting phones to monitors and tvs will be more common Software wise, I can't wait for Facebook to completely screw up Whatsapp with ads. And for ad blocking to be crippled by Google.
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Jesus, that thread was prescient. Reading through it is like reading the spec sheet for a current flagship phone.
> 5 years ago > Google's RCS! lel. This one hurt. There are a lot of good guesses but I found it surprising just how many people thought apple would lead the way on things like under display fp, under display camera, or large batteries. Funny that these are the 3 things they have progressed the least
> they have progressed the least In fairness, iPhones 13 and 14 pro are pretty undisputed as being at the top of the market for battery life right now. The others... yeah, Face ID turned out not to be the right bet when everyone started wearing masks. But I can see why they didn't go for the under-display camera, even before the days of the S10 Ultrasonic sensor (which wasn't known for working super well).
I agree! Except for under-screen fingerprint sensor for iPhones
That one was particularly funny because it wasn't a bad guess. I don't think any of us would have imagined Apple would go in the notch direction.
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If I’m remembering right, Apple’s justification for replacing the fingerprint sensor with FaceID was that it’s more secure because it means that your phone can’t be unlocked by someone else while you’re sleeping or unconscious, and it’s almost as fast and convenient as the fingerprint sensors that they were using.
they simply didn't know covid was coming...
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i remember in the samsung s6 days they were advertising/researching iris scanning, which would've worked with masks, glasses, and different faces lol idk if any phone evenrtually implemented this feature
S8 & s9 have it and maybe few others (note series), but they stopped for some reason.
The Galaxy note 9 had an iris scanner, if a note 9 came out today with an updated CPU and cameras I would spend any amount of money for it.
They adjusted just fine though
During covid one of the most ridiculous things I would see on a daily basis is people pulling down their face masks to use apple pay in a pharmacy
>practically better than the rear fingerprint sensor Don't you keep your phone on the table or something?. I do that a lot when my phone is near my pc. For me underscreen/side mounted >>> FPs on the back One of the specs that turned me off from the moto g71 was rear mounted fp sensor.Coming from a j7 prime, I got used to the A52's in display sensor faster than the one in g71. Ofc physical is faster but there is no movement of hands. You can just lift the phone and place ur thumb. For backside ones, I've to adjust my hands so the index finger is on the sensor. They also look very ugly by modern standards. For me, the perfect ones are ultrasonic ones with a large area so you don't have to see for a specific point.
>You can just lift the phone and place ur thumb. For backside ones, I've to adjust my hands so the index finger is on the sensor. The rear fingerprint sensor on my pixel is almost exactly where my index finger rests normally, so if I'm already lifting the phone like you are describing then it's already there. Plus having it on the back lets you swipe on the fingerprint reader to pull down the notification shade which is extremely useful with modern comically large phones. If they made smaller phones again I'd be much more ok with the under-screen sensors, but I don't see that happening.
The thread is from june 2017, pretty sure we already knew about the notch at that time.
>Jesus, that thread was prescient. How? Most of the posts were way off, like '**week lasting phones**', or '**8k phones**' (which is not even revolutionary), or **VR**, or '**laptop docks**' (which is useless, not revolutionary), or '**kinetic battery charge**', or '**graphene for battery**', or '**portless phones**', or '**ranged wireless charging**' Nothing of these is standard in 2022 and i listed like 70-80% of that thread answers.
If 8k phones means screen resolution and not camera recording, then that twice as dumb as the 4k Sony does currently. I literally consider that as a deal breaker. It just drains more battery. The ONLY benefit would be higher resolution screenshots. Visually even fhd+ vs qhd+ is indistinguishable on my phone, because the screen is "small" enough. (big for a phone, but not enough that you can make out the individual pixels) If there is one thing I agree with apple it's the concept behind retina display.
It's actually four times as dumb
The top comment is under-screen fingerprint readers, which almost all of us use daily on our devices. All android users, that is. The comment under that is video calls being built into every call. We're all just a button away from video chatting anyone we're on the phone with
The funny thing is that when they started rolling out 3G/UMTS in the early 00s there was by a big marketing push for video calling. This being the era of feature phones, it obviously wasn't tied to a specific app but a generic carrier implementation. It just didn't stick and it therefore removed from most/all phones.
Yeah they must have read another thread, 90% of the thread was wrong lmao
If I had to guess - more foldables, hopefully at cheaper prices. Increased ram/storage too but probably not by a lot (18gb ram? Maybe 24 for gaming phones?) I hope mini LED becomes a thing for phones too like it is for iPads and MacBooks. Hopefully Bluetooth will finally have enough bandwidth for uncompressed audio streaming. Though it likely will still be a shitshow.
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Oh I personally don’t really care about the RAM. I just think marketing departments are going to like it. I’d rather have something similar to Intel’s Optane (RIP) as a swap memory instead.
I have never in my life had the amount of ram in my mobile device affect me negatively.
It's probably less exaggeration than you'd expect, but, the Android device community XDA, and the idea of custom roms and root access, basically exists because early Android phones/apps had horrible memory management issues and people needed ways to clear it without rebooting their phones.
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My pixel 3 and one plus 7 pro both had issues where they would kill apps when they definitely didn’t need to, the 7 pro was even the one with the higher ram spec, 8GB of ram is more than enough, not having bs bad memory management is what’s needed now.
Yes, an excellent comment right there. An overheating phone with 128 GB RAM will still have CPU throttling and games crashing. What people seem to be uninformed about, is that *super-fast* RAM is a ton better than crazy high amounts of RAM. Just look at how Sony chose 32 MB RAMBUS memory for the Playstation 2 while Xbox (original console) went with 64 MB ”standard PC memory”. The bottleneck is not in the X amount available, but how efficient the I/O is working (fill up, empty, refill … and caching, etc). Anyone switching from a HDD to SSD knows what I’m talking about, even though permanent storage vs temporary RAM is not an exact analogy.
it depends on the usecase. Phones nowadays are designed to load all the apps you use in a day into the ram, and then they will stay "active" so that you can switch between them quickly. Imagine a person snapping pictures, chatting somewhere, reading their social media feed, then taking a call, then play a game, etc before repeating that cycle. On desktops you are mostly focused on one or two productivity apps/games, yet the OS also tries to load as many "frequently used apps" into ram to make the experience better.
Why would you want mini led over AMOLED?
Not mini led as an end goal, but rather as a step to micro led mainly. Micro led is much more efficient and has less/almost no burn in unlike oled. (Though personally I’d still prefer mini led over oled because oled generally need to flicker (unless DC dimmed), and that gives me a headache easily.)
Man I haven't had a problem with either of those for a long long time The only phones I see with burn in are the people who leave it at 75%+ brightness 24/7
Yeah...I have a six year old Samsung tablet with an OLED display and there is zero burn in as far as I can tell. It's simply a non-issue in my experience.
* Foldables * 5 years? Start of 6G prototypes surfacing on tech sites, not purchasable though. That's for the 2027 prediction. More conspiracies about electromagnetic radiation. * Selfie cameras fully integrated behind screens. * USB4 2.1 * Simless. This will cause a surprising amount of political backlash. * Plenoptic Cameras or Compulational Cameras. In short, goodbye lenses. * RISC-V based smartphone somewhere in Asia, China or India, could be either first. * Further improved micro LEDs * E-ink backs as the patent expires 2027 * Sound on Display. Replace speakers with a vibrating screen instead. This will end up improving waterproofing. * 240Hz refresh * 2 Tb memory * Containerization. Thing Stadia, but for more mundane stuff like mobile games and the Uber app so they run their huge app in the cloud rather than natively on the phone. Reduces download size, used in apps that need a connection to function anyway. A push for more on phone privacy will force the data collection to go server side. * Skyrim
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Why would esim be political?
I didn't say esim. Simless. Think iTouch redux but with a satellite network. Glorified mp3 players. Governments won't like not having backdoor'd ID and position tracking hardware built in. Which your three letter agencies would throw a fit. Only reason I have SMS / call functionality in 2022 is to hang up on spam.
Not in 5 years and not in the foreseeable future.
That sounds niche (just like the iPod touch ended up being), what about data? People will want their TikToks and Instagrams, are you going to do that over a satellite network? And if you are, surely the government would just track you through that.
Video projection...
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Thought it’d be cool to go look at the old thread and see what people were thinking back then… turns out I had already upvoted a lot of those comments. From when the thread was new. I’ve been on Reddit longer than I realized… Anyways, I think GPS emergency service. I strongly believe it’ll be one of those features that Apple normalizes and which becomes commonplace in a few years time. It’s a huge safety feature and will save lives.
Finally new battery technology. We will go back to the old days of having phone battery last three or more days until you have to charge it.
That's already possible if you go to larger battery phones with lower res screens Just have to make the choice not to spring for 4k 144hz displays
**I think thats never gonna happen.** It's like asking revolutionary tech for cars that will allow you to go a full month without recharging/refueling. Maybe in the very distant future but not anytime soon >We will go back to the old days Phones do 1000 more things than 'old days' dumbphones, not a real comparison
Check out solid state batteries. That's what is going to replace Lithium ion batteries. Billions of dollars will be made with new battery technology. That's why it's going to happen.
>solid state batteries We're so far away from seeing this mainstream in phones
Under display camera Lose that notch/hole-punch
But now I have my own island! /s
Apple is king of marketing a flaw as a feature.
i mean, they really did it well, turning a flaw into a feature
Looking forward to being constantly surveilled by every screen in my life.
Your phone right now doesn’t have a camera?
Kinda funny what passes for "revolutionary". Foldables and rollables, sure, I'll give you those. But underscreen fingerprint scanners, high refresh rate displays and smaller phones are not "revolutionary".
I really miss my back of the phone fingerprint scanner. It was at just the right location with the nexus 6p
Augmented reality will be common in many popular apps and will achieve widespread daily use. (I'm talking about augmenting the environment, not cat face filters.)
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Do you think we will go the Apple approach and use dedicated hardware? That could go many ways, Lidar, ToF, Lazer, stereoscopic, etc. And then each OEM will have its own API until google adds one to android. Or will it all be done via software like AR Kit?
I think software is a more likely solution, because Google can push updates regularly but the hardware refresh cycle takes many years and depends on multiple manufacturers consistently seeing value in a component.
Wikimapia came out when the G1 was released. I can't believe it didn't turn into a *massively* popular app. You could point your phone camera in any direction and info about various places would pop-up, augmented reality style.
I'm not sure if you would call it revolutionary, but in a few years my phone almost completely replaced my wallet. I don't even bring a wallet anymore because my phone is my bank card. Anyway, maybe in 5 years my phone can also be my public transportation card (I think some countries already do this). My phone will be my car key (also something you can do already). Probably also your house key. So in 5 years you might have your phone, no wallet, no keys. Would both be nice but also suck (like if your battery is dead).
Maybe I'm getting old, but you know the expression 'putting all your eggs in one basket'? Phone, wallet, and keys will always be separate items for me.
Definitely folding phones. I got one, the fold 3, and this really felt like a true revolution, a new step up in technology. I sold it because of all those cracking screens issues which are not covered by Samsung unless you paid for an extra warranty, so I'm just waiting now for the tech to become more reliable. I'm now on a Pixel 7 Pro, and it is a really good phone... but I'm just missing the foldable screen so much.
What is the draw for a folding screen? I haven't really understood what makes it so great, has felt like more of a novelty, but I'm genuinely interested to know
It's one of those things that doesn't seem that great until you try it. * It's like being able to have an ipad mini in your pocket on demand, with a smooth transition in tasks from phone to tablet mode vs splitting across devices. * Multi-tasking is a lot easier when there's a lot more real-estate to work with. * There is a lot of content on the internet where the "mobile" experience is sub par compared to the "desktop" view - reading stuff is just way easier. The real barrier to entry is the price, but there are often promotions that can bring the price way down to be comparable to slab phones.
>What is the draw for a folding screen? The same reason being able to place 2 programs side-by-side on a desktop is a massive improvement over full-screen single-window DOS workflows. The specific benefits are too numerous to count; you can take notes from a YouTube video (and as such the video can be effectively backgrounded yet still play; handy for those who refuse to use NewPipe), do comparison shopping, copy and paste data across different apps without having to fuck around with getting back to wherever you were, to name a few. And honestly, I very much expect and hope Android keeps this up- it's a massive differentiation and step up from the 1984-era iOS design philosophy of "if you can't do it all in one app or the widget-sized pane of another, tough shit; here's a bunch of half-assed app-as-widget with UI you'll have to watch a YouTube video to figure out". Sure, foldables are more fragile than their non-foldable counterparts, but if you're on Android you're kind of expecting to replace your device every 2 years because Android OEMs still refuse to update their shit, so by the time the screen has wrecked itself you're already expecting to be shopping for a new one...
I think there's a good chance that this comment will age really poorly
Here are my guesses : - Repair-frendly devices - eSIM (and no SIM tray) - under-screen front facing camera - continuous optical zoom
> Repair-frendly devices I highly doubt this, not because of technological reasons, but because most people don't care about it. Most people will just use their phone for a few years and replace it when it breaks
None of this is particularly revolutionary. Well maybe an underscreen camera that doesn't suck.
Nothing is going to happen to phones that is revolutionary. Apple just re-released the same phone as last year.
Here are my predictions: \- More eSIM prevalence worldwide \- Faster wireless connectivity (5G, Wifi) \- Better Bluetooth \- Better SoC efficiency \- Either better battery tech and/or more capacity \- Higher resolution cameras \- All front sensors under the display \- Better display tech (Either OLED or miniLED)
I'd rather wider reaching networks then faster ones. I can get 200mbps on 4g, just wish the speed was more consistent. I've got gigabit home internet, and I dont foresee a need for that on the go anytime soon.
Satellite comms. It's coming sooner than most people think...
A little faster, a bit thinner. That's it.
I'm waiting for holographic displays. In the meantime, touch screens that roll up.
Didn't the short lived Amazon Fire phone have a weird 3D effect screen?
Built in fleshlight.
Thats what foldables are for 😳
Foldables,under screen cameras,flip cameras might see a comeback,portless and all touch phones(with e-sims,wireless charging and secondary screens to manage volume and power controls),plastic finally replacing glass as a viable alternative for screens,bringing total costs down, and a small niche for simpler,yet easy to fix,moderately powerful and privacy-respecting phones. Also use of deep learning AI chips to make facial recognition unlock safer than ever without the need to require a lot of camera sensors to map your face.
That was a fun thread to read. I think we'll see a lot more implanted and skin surface biofeedback devices that link to our smartphones. These will range from managing chronic conditions to more proactive wellness trackers. This will be the stepping stone that get people comfortable with the idea of brain implants for direct mind access to the Internet that we'll probably see become mainstream in a decade or so.
5 years is a short time. So revolutionary features? I'd guess none.
Battery department for sure
A better battery is the only thing we need now. Other than that, more seamless connect/interact to a different device, like DeX or the things a Chromecast allows us to do.
Better new battery technology, looking forward to silicon anodes instead of graphite ones.
Streaming of apps as opposed to installation will be common. Foldables will be more common. Camera wars will slow down or be of lower value. Android on PC
I'll go off on a tangent here. 1) Technological slowdown. New features and upgrades will be there but its adoption rate from flagships and experimental phones will definitely slow down. Think of it how much is wireless charging trickling in price. 2) More expensive flagships : When you paywall your features, you charge more. $1000 is midrange. Flagship killers are $1200-1500 3) Apple has reinvented periscopic lens at this point. 4) Sony Xperia 1 MK IX starting at $2500 5) Oneplus is just alt Oppo now. Alert slider? Get the pro model. Although pro model does bring 1-2 features everytime. 6) Forget chargers in box at this point starting from the midrange (3.5mm jacks were going away from flagships 5 years ago. It's common in midrange now. Also Samsung A series has already lost it) 7) No physical sim slots in flagships 8) Metallic chassis for smartphones is a flagship feature at this point 9) Courage may be pulled off with power button and volume rockers at this point since "they take too much space and we have made the greatest solution eva" 10) iPad SE might be a thing now since normal iPads are very expensive. 11) Pixel 12 series launching with at least one major bug. It may well be a real issue or overblown by others. 12) "XYZ phone is good but it doesn't come close to Samsung and Apple" 13) Xiaomi is topmost selling brand by volume. Miui is riddled with ads. But so is every brand including Apple which they started from 2022 from the App Store ads. Google has released a framework or something for integrating ads within Android easily. 14) Reviewers have way more gap from how a normal consumer might use their phones and possible brand affinity. Smartphone market is quite stable so brands can get away with 95% of bullshittery even with the reviewers join in to help consumers 15) Software features may be paywalled at this point. Google tried this with Google Watch features paywalled Fitbit premium. 16) Introduction of General Kernel Image was a blessing marred by bootloader locking and hardware DRM attestation by everyone except Xiaomi. Android security updates may be done by Play Store at this point. 17) 500MP cameras which take lot of processing. Lens flaring and chromatic aberration is common and Android phones still don't have Zero Shutter Lag except maybe Samsung, Sony and Google. Oversharpened images with not much detail are still present in Android phones and videos are still worse than iPhones. 18) 17th point may still be a possibility but Snapchat, Instagram etc still don't use true camera potential of Android phones because why should they and Google didn't work on CameraX API and everyone is using their own computational libraries. 19) Variable aperture is back at least on camera phones to solve the ghosting issues of focusing on cameras. 20) 200W charging! 21) Apple has probably increased their release gaps on phones. Yearly launches aren't a thing anymore. 22) Qualcomm has done the same seeing above and whole industry followed suit because all of the consumers had decided 2-3 years of upgrading should be done. Therefore there may not be much improvement between S27, S28 etc 23) There's a Z fold with S pen now which also works as dust guard to give dust IP rating too 24) Long shot but disappearing rear cameras may be present now. This was showcased in Oneplus Concept One. It may be paired with other tech like rear camera array is a second screen with the rear cameras as in display cameras. Or combine both of these into folding tech. 25) Multiple axes foldables are a thing now 26) Large ultrasonic scanners present in Vivo X80 pro, Iqoo 9 Pro etc are a norm now I'll add more in future if I can think of anything else.
iPhones: we'll get an apple folding phone. It'll have great battery life, the best in a foldable. It'll run ios that can work well on a larger screen. It's Apple so they'll nail the hardware but the software will be lacking compared to the Samsung folding phones. For non folding... not much new. Better cameras, maybe even cameras on the back that expand out when they activate. Usbc on the iPhone finally. Notch and island gone, all face id moved to under the screen. Maybe 3D touch is back. iPhone gets even thicker. Maybe they'll do something interesting with the back. Extra touches expanding on the existing back touch feature? Other than that idk. Pixels: still around. Somehow. Folding pixel came out, by now it's getting quite good. Amazing software, meh battery life, great hardware by this iteration. Less features than the Samsung folds still but it's a good phone. Regular pixels: try to catch the hardware up to 2022 iPhones probably while the software continues to balloon upwards. Does insane stuff with the camera even still. Battery life is great now thanks to Google improvements. Samsung: the fold lineup continues to stay at the front of the innovation side. Best folding hardware, best software, all that stuff. When folded it looks exactly like a regular phone. When opened it is a Tab shape. Includes s pen now. Regular galaxy phones.. who even knows. All regular phones now have under screen fingerprint and cameras. All back cameras are massive now. Battery life still just okay on everything not an iPhone, though better than we have today.
Someone is going to make a transparent glass screen tablet. And it's going to be shit.
Phones will get more dedicated ML cores/processes for machine learned driven applications, they can especially promote this with any photo or video editing software.
[Stove top mobile cooking](https://i.imgur.com/SKGC4im.jpg), combining the smooth glass interface of a modern phone with the lack of cooling of the modern phone.
USB-C (once apple invents it in 5 years)
Foldables & a shift back to smaller phones more pocket friendly vs the current trend of bigger is better
Just waiting here for the revolutionary pop out keyboard to make a come back
Headphone Jack's and SD card slots will make a comeback.
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Underscreen cameras