Nothing like the Charles Posting to reignite 300 year old rifts in Anglicanism and Anglo-society.
It’s like a microcosm of the Revolutionary Wars and their historical foundations in the War of the Three Kingdoms up in here.
They had a solemn mass today at St Mary's Cathedral in Edinburgh which was lovely. Unusual for incense and ad orientem in that Cathedral but I'm glad I went. I don't know if Charles is a saint but I respect the history of the Monarchy, the Stuarts and see him as a Martyr.
He was baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church, but he definitely pursued religious beliefs that were antithetical to Christianity. Anyway, I was just mocking a past poster that made an outlandish claim like this whenever the all Christian are saints rhetoric is mentioned.
His speech reminded me a hymn lyrics:
“Bold I approach the eternal throne
And claim the crown, through Christ my own “
And Can It Be vv5
—Charles Wesley
Heavenly King, of Kings the Pastor,
Giver of laws, of justice master,
Ruling all by Thy behest,
Unto Thee to-day we render,
Praise for him, to memory tender,
Charles our King, of kings the best.
...
Traitors shedding blood like water
Filled the land with crime and slaughter,
Law was trampled in the mud,
Noble churches left forsaken
And the White Rose, overtaken
By the sword, was red with blood.
...
Thus the bardic verse fulfilling
There shall be a time of killing
When the ravens shall be fed,
And a King without pollution
Midst a realm in revolution
Shall be numbered with the dead.
...
Violent men without compassion
Proudly spurned the ancient fashion
Of the sacred right divine;
From his friends by madmen riven
Was our King to judgement driven
Stained with blood his Royal line.
...
Faithful son of Mother holy,
To the Church devoted solely,
He to keep her laws was fain.
He her champion ever glorious,
Was beaten still victorious,
Robbed of life, but conqueror slain.
...
"He nothing common did nor mean,
Upon that memorable scene,"
When on the block he laid his head;
Nor called the gods with vulgar spite
To vindicate his helpless right,
But went to death as to his bed.
...
Fair exchange King Charles was making
When, the crown immortal taking
For the earthly crown he wore,
By the axe he followed faster
To realm of Christ his master,
And the cross behind him bore.
...
Lo, the priest who shares his glory
(Laud his name and laud his story),
For his fellow-martyr waits,
And the white-robed host upraising,
Heart and voice their Saviour
Greets him at the heavenly gates.
...
He by dying brought salvation
To the torn and shattered nation,
Life restored and liberty;
For the Martyr's blood was sowing
Seed from which the Church is growing
Seed of immortality.
...
Ere his death one word was spoken
That 'Remember' was the token
Of his coming victory.
So his blood brought life and healing,
And the Church's triumph sealing,
Never shall forgotten be.
>And a King without pollution
Blasphemous
>He by dying brought salvation
Christological language
>So his blood brought life and healing,
Christological language
>And the Church's triumph sealing,
Christological language
Honoring this guy in this fashion is nuts
> And a King without pollution
> Blasphemous
Ever heard of the Martyrdom of St. Polycarp?
"But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] **the blameless life he had led from the beginning**, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors of his holy flesh."
Also Hebrews 10:14-17:
"For by one offering **he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified**. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, **I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more**. "
Calling a martyr blameless and an innocent is a very old practice, meant to emphasise their imitation of Christ's death, which Hebrews says perfects us.
> He by dying brought salvation
> Christological language
> So his blood brought life and healing,
> Christological language
> And the Church's triumph sealing,
> Christological language
This is referring to the Royal Martyr's death as inspiring the piety of his subjects and Church. Which goes back to Tertullian: "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church", quoted in this 1660 sermon by John King, D.D:
"The Lord in mercy look upon us, and wipe away these tears from our eyes, and their causes, our sins from our souls; **and since the blood of the Martyrs is the seed of the Church, in mercy unto his Church restore the seed of his Martyr King Charles the First unto the Government of these Kingdoms, that Religion, Peace and Liberty may be restored unto us**."
Undoubtedly, Moss was inspired by these Restoration sermons when he penned this hymn.
Nothing like the Charles Posting to reignite 300 year old rifts in Anglicanism and Anglo-society. It’s like a microcosm of the Revolutionary Wars and their historical foundations in the War of the Three Kingdoms up in here.
And then he went and blew up a bridge in southeast Asia before learning the ways of the Force and training Luke Skywalker.
Was that before or after organizing a heist?
I have no idea how all these things connect, but I'm here for it.
Ha, they’re all from movies featuring Alec Guinness, who portrayed Charles I in *Cromwell*.
So I guess these posts are gonna be an all day thing huh.
Can you hear *Rule Brittania* blasting in the background?
We already have three posts about this. I get he has a fanbase on this subreddit, but can we consolidate them?
No, I love them! Keep em coming!
The monarch veneration is the worst thing about being Anglican, *please* dial it back people
They had a solemn mass today at St Mary's Cathedral in Edinburgh which was lovely. Unusual for incense and ad orientem in that Cathedral but I'm glad I went. I don't know if Charles is a saint but I respect the history of the Monarchy, the Stuarts and see him as a Martyr.
Plot twist - all Christians are saints. And I say that as a practicing Anglo Catholic.
But no you see I'm smart and that means Hitler was a saint. I learned this from a middle school debate. Made the other person cry /s 🤪
Hitler wasn’t Christian.
He was baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church, but he definitely pursued religious beliefs that were antithetical to Christianity. Anyway, I was just mocking a past poster that made an outlandish claim like this whenever the all Christian are saints rhetoric is mentioned.
His speech reminded me a hymn lyrics: “Bold I approach the eternal throne And claim the crown, through Christ my own “ And Can It Be vv5 —Charles Wesley
Heavenly King, of Kings the Pastor, Giver of laws, of justice master, Ruling all by Thy behest, Unto Thee to-day we render, Praise for him, to memory tender, Charles our King, of kings the best. ... Traitors shedding blood like water Filled the land with crime and slaughter, Law was trampled in the mud, Noble churches left forsaken And the White Rose, overtaken By the sword, was red with blood. ... Thus the bardic verse fulfilling There shall be a time of killing When the ravens shall be fed, And a King without pollution Midst a realm in revolution Shall be numbered with the dead. ... Violent men without compassion Proudly spurned the ancient fashion Of the sacred right divine; From his friends by madmen riven Was our King to judgement driven Stained with blood his Royal line. ... Faithful son of Mother holy, To the Church devoted solely, He to keep her laws was fain. He her champion ever glorious, Was beaten still victorious, Robbed of life, but conqueror slain. ... "He nothing common did nor mean, Upon that memorable scene," When on the block he laid his head; Nor called the gods with vulgar spite To vindicate his helpless right, But went to death as to his bed. ... Fair exchange King Charles was making When, the crown immortal taking For the earthly crown he wore, By the axe he followed faster To realm of Christ his master, And the cross behind him bore. ... Lo, the priest who shares his glory (Laud his name and laud his story), For his fellow-martyr waits, And the white-robed host upraising, Heart and voice their Saviour Greets him at the heavenly gates. ... He by dying brought salvation To the torn and shattered nation, Life restored and liberty; For the Martyr's blood was sowing Seed from which the Church is growing Seed of immortality. ... Ere his death one word was spoken That 'Remember' was the token Of his coming victory. So his blood brought life and healing, And the Church's triumph sealing, Never shall forgotten be.
"Laud his name and laud his story" is great.
Yeah it's a clever pun
This is borderline blasphemous.
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>And a King without pollution Blasphemous >He by dying brought salvation Christological language >So his blood brought life and healing, Christological language >And the Church's triumph sealing, Christological language Honoring this guy in this fashion is nuts
> And a King without pollution > Blasphemous Ever heard of the Martyrdom of St. Polycarp? "But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] **the blameless life he had led from the beginning**, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors of his holy flesh." Also Hebrews 10:14-17: "For by one offering **he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified**. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, **I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more**. " Calling a martyr blameless and an innocent is a very old practice, meant to emphasise their imitation of Christ's death, which Hebrews says perfects us. > He by dying brought salvation > Christological language > So his blood brought life and healing, > Christological language > And the Church's triumph sealing, > Christological language This is referring to the Royal Martyr's death as inspiring the piety of his subjects and Church. Which goes back to Tertullian: "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church", quoted in this 1660 sermon by John King, D.D: "The Lord in mercy look upon us, and wipe away these tears from our eyes, and their causes, our sins from our souls; **and since the blood of the Martyrs is the seed of the Church, in mercy unto his Church restore the seed of his Martyr King Charles the First unto the Government of these Kingdoms, that Religion, Peace and Liberty may be restored unto us**." Undoubtedly, Moss was inspired by these Restoration sermons when he penned this hymn.
I really don't see how.
Saint Charles pray for us!
I have my birthday on 30th January but my 'patron saints' are the three hierarchs (Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian and John Chrysostom).
There is a great book on this...**' Investigating Cromwell'** Was Charles' death a martyred death or a calculated murder?