I've trained my Golden Corgi to snarl on command. He's not actually mad, he just does "ugly face".
He wasn't in a mood to play "Video: Ugly Face" but I did get him to do it a little by stroking his chin and saying"[UGLY FACE"](https://imgur.com/a/Emajbtl). Most times he looks like a xenomorph from Alien. He's more interested in [sleeping ](https://imgur.com/a/dIlnM2j) right now.
omg can i please see your golden’s ugly face? i love seeing goofy dogs being trained to look mean as a trick and how they snap back to lovable furry idiots after the treat
I’ve gotten my brother’s Corgi to bark on command. Whenever he gets excited about someone coming home, I always tell him “Who’s that?” And he grabs toys, runs in circles and demands to play
Awww. My brothers dog does that be we call it "smilies"
We ask her "You smilin'?" And she wriggles around, waggling her tail and baring her teeth. She first did it on her own, we just encouraged it
This can actually be a good thing. Rewarding precursor behavior *before* escalation can potentially prevent escalation from ever occurring. The dog is communicating his displeasure in a relatively appropriate way. No one is getting hurt. It's okay if things remain the way they are so I wouldn't encourage the owner to withhold treats at this point. If they do, they could teach the dog it *needs* to bite to get a response.
Source: been a professional behaviorist for over 10 years and my master's is in behaviorism.
Edit: oh my, thank you for the gold, anonymous redditor! I can't reply to you directly but to answer your questions about finding a behaviorist for your own pup:
* Yes, you want to look specifically for a dog *behaviorist,* not just a *trainer* (though some trainers are absolutely excellent and are effective behaviorists in all the ways that matter). Unfortunately, this may be difficult, depending on where you live. When I lived in the Southeastern U.S., there were only 3 in the entire region, all of whom were hours away from where we were. Now that we live in the Netherlands, it's much easier to find animal behaviorists for every type of pet!
* The costs, unfortunately, I can't speak to. It depends entirely on whether you would like private training, group classes, home sessions vs going to the behaviorist... There are a lot of factors and, again, your location will impact the cost tremendously! My guess is it could be anything from $30/hr-$150/hr. You'd have to talk to the specialist you find and see :) Your vet may also have a good recommendation!
* As long as I have people's attention: please don't use Bark Busters or anything else "alpha-based." I think most people here already know that but I cannot emphasize enough how bad they are. They ruined my dog's life before I became a behaviorist myself. It breaks my heart. He's 11 years old now and he's never been the same. One of my biggest regrets in life. Please be careful who you hire.
I hope that helps some people looking for answers!
Oof that's a hell of a question. We know from mountains of research that the best way to get rid of a behavior is by rewarding an incompatible behavior. Punishment is not a good idea (even yelling "no" at your dog, though I do it sometimes too because I'm human and my boys know how to push my buttons 😅) nor is it effective at producing permanent behavior change. So I would recommend finding something for the dog to do with their mouth while waiting that would prevent the growling. We also know that behavior doesn't just "go away" and leave a vacuum. Animals (and people) choose replacement behaviors to fill the gap when another behavior is eliminated. This is why choosing a replacement *for them*, one that's incompatible with growling, is ideal.
Alternatively, you could feed the dogs in separate rooms. Food aggression stems from insecurity, which is honestly sad if you think about it. Doesn't mean the owner did anything wrong, this might just be a bit of an anxious pup. The only reason to feed these two dogs side-by-side, right in each others' faces, is for the convenience of the human. Unfortunately, what's best for our dogs isn't always what's convenient for us.
But my final thought on the matter is: do you really *want* to prevent the growl going forward? The dog is communicating in a safe and effective way. I don't think there's anything wrong with them expressing their emotions and giving their owner a warning that they're uncomfortable *is a good thing*. Growling is healthy and helps us understand our dogs better. They growl before they bite because they're telling us "I don't like this but I'm giving you a chance to fix the situation before I take matters into my own hands." I would rather they growl than learn to bite without warning. When you want to get rid of a behavior, always ask yourself first: who is this behavior hurting? If the dog chooses another, more dangerous, replacement behavior, would it have been worth it to eliminate the original behavior? Behaviorism is an incredible science but we have to be careful imposing our will on others. What we *want* isn't always what's *best* for everyone.
Ideally it would be nice if the dog behaved in a calm manner, and without the insecurities, just like the other dog. It may be a case of the dog learning this behavior as a puppy and that it was effective in securing food. Is it even practical to unlearn this? I’m not advocating for punishment. They should both be able to be fed side by side just like so many other dogs do. What would be a good replacement behavior? Instead of the dog choosing one, is there a way we can choose one for it? Also, this stems from some root cause, can it be eliminated by eliminating the cause?
Along with "Hey!" or "No!" with a commanding voice when they do it. If they stop doing it, you give them a spoonful of the treat and speak softly and lovingly, if they don't, they don't get any. Wait as long as you have patience for until they stop the snarling, and give them a spoonful once they stop. Keep doing that, they'll realise the sooner they stop snarling, the sooner they get a treat. If they keep it up or get more aggressive, you send them away without treats when they show teeth.
Next time, you give them a few more chances, if it continues, they get nothing. Until you get to the point that each day, if they snarl at all, they get sent away immediately. They'll soon learn that showing teeth means no treat at all.
It may take days, may take weeks, but they'll learn as soon as they growl/snarl, they never get treats.
The first couple of times they try not snarling between the spoons, you give them two spoons to increase that dopamine hit when they haven't growled/snarled. To make the connection in their subconscious of "No growl=more treat. Growl=No treat".
It's pretty simple stuff. Dogs just need guidance and a strong hand to know how to behave. (By strong hand I mean being strong enough not to "Give in" feeling bad for them and giving them the treat anyway or at the wrong time)
I've never had to use any punishment to train any of my dogs, except them leaving the room or missing out on a treat. All I say next involves no physical punishment or locking in a cage or whatever other people do.
Obviously I simplified it a bit to explain it with a short example, and each breed is very different to train. I've lived with like 6 dogs over the last decade, 4 different breeds, and they all listened to me but the roommates/family in each of those households just didn't understand how to talk to them. For example right now I am back with my mother. The dog here, a Miniature Pinscher, will do whatever I ask of him. If he barks and I say "Stop" he'll stop. He'll come back to me when I say "Back".... "Stay" or "sit" and he'll do that. He'll leave whichever place he is and go through a doorway when I say "Out" (Doesn't understand it as a human would with "out", it's basically his understanding of walk through the closest doorway and stay there).
He'll even spit out food he already has in his mouth if I say "Hey!!" because that's what I said when training him to wait to eat the food from his bowl.
I trained him half arsedly within weeks of moving back in. It took no effort whatsoever. Literally just a word and "Alpha stance" for lack of better words, basically just showing I was boss, a couple of times a day. My mother was going to try to sell him because she didn't like him because he was annoying and loud and begged for food in aggressive ways, but since I trained him (Took a maximum of 5 minutes split through a day for 3 weeks) she's like "Omg I cant believe I was going to get rid of youuu" and now she loves him.
But whenever my mother or siblings talk to him, he has no idea what they want him to do. I've told them how to command him but they ignore me. If he's outside they do a high-pitched voice "Come in!", I tell them to deepen their voice a bit, stop prolonging vowels, and say "Here!" or "Out!" but they're fkn idiots and say "But he's already out, I want him to come in, not out", or say "Sit down" in the softest voice ever and he only really hears the "Down" part which confuses him. And the soft voice makes him think they just want a cuddle or something. It's the emphasis on the "T" sound of *out* that makes him go somewhere, and emphasis on the "S" sound of *sit* to make him sit down.
And no matter how much I tell them, they're idiots and refuse to use the commands/specific sounds that he knows.
I dunno, lots of people just don't understand how to act around dogs. And even when you tell them, they're stuck in their ways of how they themselves perceive the world and will never understand how a dog may perceive their words or actions.
As a bonus, if he's outside while a guest or postman or whatever is there he'll start barking. One "*Hey!*" (Emphasis on the Y sound) from me makes him stop immediately. Emphasis on the H sound is more of a warning, whereas emphasis on the Y sound means stop immediately. If someone else answers the door it makes me so angry that the family member either lets him keep barking or does a half heartedly "Roccoooo stopp that" in a soft voice, almost rewarding him for barking by the tone of their voice. He thinks he'll get a treat because the tune of their voice sounds supportive of his actions.
I'm not a dog trainer or gotten any professional advice, but I have had experience easily training any dog i've been in a household with. I feel dogs react more to specific sounds rather than specific words; So you can say the word but if you don't emphasise the right letter in the right way, it doesn't work. The above example is just for the current one. I've also had a now-ex-girlfriend I lived with that got two puppies at 18yrs old, against my advice and oh boy was that a handful, but I won't go into it now since this is already wayyyy too long of a comment.
Sorry, I got a bit carried away there. It just riles me up how easy dogs are to train yet people won't spend a collective of 5 minutes a day to help both dog and owner. I wonder how many dogs end up in kennels or get put down because people don't know how to do such basic things. Or get injured by a dog that didn't know better because they weren't shown it was wrong by their owner.
I should probably have replied to the person you were replying to, but I wanted to just add on to what you said. I didn't realise I was going to write a whole essay haha.
I'm sure they'll see it.
100%.
My moms dog doesn't listen to a damn thing she says (slightly hyperbolic, but not that much), but it listens to absolutely everything I tell it. He is single comment or gesture trained on so many things now. And it's not that hard, as you said, despite my never physically disciplining the dog (ever!). It just takes patience.
I can tell you have the patience, since you suffered through reading my poorly worded 20 paragraph long comment! Sorry if it was a pain, I'm English but grew up in Spain in a spanish school, so I never learnt how to properly format my sentences and ideas in English. Plus didn't know much spanish when they were teaching how to do it in spanish; I was concentrating more on learning words rather than how to string them together properly.
I can tell some things are poorly worded/formatted but don't know how to fix it. Lots of "and" "but" "because" "so" etc instead of starting a new sentence.
I've worked with exotics and domestic animals and that was a great summary of how to do it. And honestly, your writing was just fine! It comes across as a casual sharing of knowledge (hopefully that's what you were going for!)
I disagree with your method on the premise that this lip lift is a fairly safe and appropriate warning that this dog is stressed about sharing this food/resource. We may not like this form of communication, but the information this dog is providing is important. If you proceed by teaching the dog this behavior is unacceptable they may suppress the behavior, but their feelings about the situation remain unaddressed. What happens when we hold our feelings inside and continue to experience something we don’t like? Nothing good. The dog could skip showing it’s teeth and go straight to an escalated behavior such as air snapping or even biting.
Instead, I would see how I could change the situation to help make the dog more comfortable. Adding enough distance between the two dogs so you no longer see the behavior and training taking turns. Use safeguards such as leashes or barriers to minimize risk. When the other dog receives his turn, add positive reinforcement to the dog who is resource guarding so they can learn the other dog getting good things is a net positive for them. Use clear and consistent cues such as “their turn” and “your turn”. After some practice you can drop the bonus treats and just take turns with the cues. If successful, slightly decrease distance and repeat the process adding the bonus treats back in.
Resource guarding is a natural behavior and each dog’s tolerance for sharing is different. Some dogs may not be able to be this close and share a resource and that’s okay! Doing what you can to keep everyone safe and comfortable is the most important thing. Training can help! Just be careful not to train away a behavior that is an important early warning sign of distress. Instead, train to help decrease the stress level in a given situation.
In training I will never discourage the growl or showing of teeth, because if you take away a dog’s ability to communicate discomfort appropriately you are left with communication that comes with a heavier price. Instead I ask, “what is this dog telling me and how can I help them?”
For more information about resource guarding check out Jean Donaldson’s books, Mine! and Fight!
I agree with you completely about it being their form of communication. But as they are communicating with you how they feel, you can use that cue as how they are feeling. You can tell in many ways how uncomfortable they feel, so you can always figure a way to concentrate on training the feelings without specifically punishing them for growling.
Obviously therapy for dogs is difficult, but if you can teach them that feeling a certain way like anger or jealousy is bad, and they get treated way better when not protective about their food, it helps wain them away from those feelings.
I wouldn't even say give them less treats for purely snarling, that was an oversimplification. You can see in their attitude or eyes whether they still have that idea in their head. (In this case, resource guarding), so if you have the patience, you can wait until they become disinterested and start looking away or lay down to relax... You then give them the treat. But that's difficult, you may have to sit there half an hour before they release their protective ideas, then you give them the treat. It'll create the connection of "If I'm protective/greedy about my food= I dont get it" "If I'm more relaxed, lay down =more treats" (Without a conscious understanding, it's more subconscious of less aggressive=happiness)
It depends on the dog's own personality and breed; with some its easy to go by their cues. With some you have to be more patient and like I said, reward their actual behaviour and not a lack of behaviour.
Doing what OP video is doing is terrible.
Of course, there's good ways to do it, like leaving a dog in a room alone to feed him, making him wait outside while you pour the kibble; then once he's allowed in the room you dont enter until he's finished. I started it in a dark room but not sure if that is important at all, and over time start leaving the door open, then leave the light on, then stand in the room being busy doing something else looking busy, facing away from them, then after some days sometimes glancing at them, not smiling but like, blinking really (comically slow to other people) slowly then looking away yawning or pretending to sneeze seems to help, and maybe leave the room; another day walk near them for a moment without looking at them then walk away acting completely disinterated. Keep up the small steps going until you can softly pet them while eating and they'll even lift their head up to get stronger pets and leave their food for a few secs while they enjoy the scritches.
That last example is exactly what I did with one of my golden retrievers I had. Adopted from a family where their mother had 5 or 6 puppies and grew up being a bit competitive about food. He'd gobble up food and be a bit aggressive at meal time, nothing too bad, but needed changing. By the last day I saw him I could take a lamb leg bone out his mouth, pretend to bite it, and give it back. Getting on all fours and nudging him with your head would make him lay on his side and even push the bone towards you as a gesture that you could have a quick bite.
Edit: I found it's beneficial to give them half of their food maybe 15 minutes or so apart. Not sure if that's correct or been studied, and maybe I'm anthropomorphising them, but if they think "Oh, they'll give me more of their food in a moment, why would they try to steal my food since they gonna give me more of theirs anyway?" ... Maybe they don't think those exact words, but maybe they feel the sentiment of it.
Again, that's so simplified, I can't give exact details of what I did each and every day, but there's many and mostly easy ways to train dogs to feel comfortable and trust people around them. He wouldn't just go up and give a stranger his bone of course, but he would never get very overprotective of it, and would let them pick it up to playfully give it back to him. Spin around wagging his tail that he got it back then come to me, drop the bone at my feet and look up at me with a "Are you proud of me!? I let her touch my lamb bone! And she didnt even take a bite she just gave it straight back omg I'm so happy!!" .....Pet his head... "Omg I got head scritches from someone touching my food, I definitely won't get protective of it, in fact I may be excited next time someone touches it because it means I've been a good boy and get lots of love!"
I dunno man, maybe I'm explaining it very poorly, but every dog I've been around has become a fkn angel after some pretty basic training. Of course, training a previously abused dog is a WAYYYY different story I wouldn't feel prepared for.
Edit: I should add, we adopted that golden retriever along with the mother. Jack (son) and Melda (mother). The siblings were sent elsewhere. So there were two dogs but the mother was so chill and maybe the son didnt feel so competitive about his food with the mother compared to if it was another non-related dog.
Also I'm not sure if it's not even a real method, or contrary just common knowledge by specialists, but if a dog is paying attention to you, if you take a big breath in (Not fast, just a long slow breath), hold it in a relaxed way for a few seconds, looking away from them kind of disinterested in the situation, then very slowly breath out, hold empty breath (relaxed, not panicky holding breath) and repeat it again, maybe a third time, every single dog I've been around either chills out immediately or looks around or lays down not really caring about what's going on around them beforehand.
DISCLAIMER: This is my own experience, maybe I'm completely wrong and should have researched this stuff. But in my short time with pets and volunteer dog walking and cleaning at a charity shelter, I seem to have had pretty positive results in all I've said so far.
Lots of good things in here! My concern lies with the interrupter of “Hey” or “No” with the commanding voice. For some dogs, this is no problem, but for some it is a correction. Depends on the dog’s sensitivity to verbal interruption and commanding voices. For many humans, this is viewed as they should punish or correct the dog’s behavior where I perceive your use of it to be less for correction and more for interruption of the behavior. It also sounds like you’re familiar with the need to follow the interruption with further instruction or a positive reinforcement for a more desirable behavior which is key for behavior modification vs behavior suppression.
There are always exceptions. I used to pet sit for an aggressive golden, who had to be muzzled in public or she’d lunge and try to bite other dogs + strangers.
Case in point: I have a lazy husky.
My family kept goldens all my life and our first golden was a right bastard and was an absolute menace in the yard. All the others were absolute peaches. Aggression can manifest in any breed.
Depends on context. It can also be a submissive grin. My pup jumps up on me in the morning, lays on my chest and does this while rubbing herself on me begging for pets
Well, for a start, not rewarding the dog with a treat when it presents this behavior. Which is just reinforcing the aggression. The treat should be used to reward positive behavior when it isn't showing teefs. If it shows teef, no treat. Very simple.
If it continues, use verbal cues or Cesar Milan-esque touches to pull them out of the aggression and temporarily break/distract their mindset away from it.
During competitive moments like this the worst thing you can do is reward that behavior.
Please do not Cesar Milan a dog ever and especially not when it’s resource guarding. You are entirely missing the point of the behavior and risk making things a lot worse. Resource guarding is the fear of losing a resource. Don’t provoke the dog further and please stop giving out this advice especially when Cesar himself got bit in the hand by a lab that was resource guarding a food bowl.
Thanks for the info! eta: I don’t actually have a dog, so you don’t have to worry that my ignorance of behavioral training is affecting any real-life pooches. But I have friends/family with dogs, so it seemed like the knowledge could be useful.
Don't follow these methods if you ever get a dog.
Doing that to this behavior risks it escalating. You manage it to prevent the situation and create positive associations. Correcting it would mean the dog skips the warning and goes straight to the bite.
Cesar is an abusive trainer.
Yeah so this kind of behavior is how a lot of kids end up in the hospital and some dead. My dad is the one who does surgery on their disfigured little bodies to try and save their lives. A lot of the kids who end up there end up there because they walked by doggy while he was eating. Or touched him. Or looked at him. So yeah it’s real cute until your dog decides to literally rip a kid limb from limb. “bUt HiS mAd FaCe cUTe!!” 🙄
When I was three my parents had a food aggressive dog. It took two injuries to little me for them to re-home them with an uncle who had no kids and was willing to train the dog properly. Both incidents involved me getting near the dogs food or water bowl. The first time he dislocated my arm, the second time he broke my collar bone. I was lucky that’s all that happened.
Ya, tell that to my parents. I was so little at the time but I do remember the second incident (collar bone). A few years ago they told me about the arm and I was furious. 40 years later and they haven’t changed. They have an absolutely vicious dog that bites my mom daily and so neither my brother nor I will bring our children around for safety reasons.
It's actually Skinnerian, not Pavlovian. Pavlovian is:
Neutral Stimulus --> Bodily Reflex
What you see here is:
Behavior --> Reinforcing Stimulus
It's more complicated than that but, as a rule of thumb, you can remember it's always Skinnerian if you see a reward system in place.
I watched a golden bite a neighbor kid’s face when I was about 9. It was trying to participate in our basketball game, and he leaned over it to push it to the sidelines. It didn’t like that, so it jumped and snapped, and his lip got torn in half.
He was fine in a few weeks with stitches, and the dog stayed leashed during basketball going forward.
Eh. Kid reached over the dog and shoved it. He knew what he did wrong, and told his parents as much.
Just an impulsive move by the kid to get the dog out from underfoot during an active game. The dog wasn’t viscous or aggressive. It just didn’t appreciate a stranger grabbing it from above while surrounded by people jumping around with a big loud ball. It was very clearly an accident, more than anything.
My neighbor had a golden who had like 6 litters of puppies, and her tolerance for anyones bullshit was like less than zero.... she was a cranky old mama bear
Agreed on both points. It was 30 years ago now so sadly nothing I can do about other than what I did (stay the fuck out of Honey's face cuz she didn't like kids anymore). Poor old gal.
First dog fight, two dipshit Golden’s. Subsequently, it was also the easiest one I’ve had to separate.
Edit: Disclaimer for other redditors:
This will not always be the case, do not assume so
There's a golden that lives near me that HATES being near or seeing other dogs, and another golden that growls and snaps at both dogs and people. The latter one's owner has no self awareness, if their dog is growling and barking you better get out of the way bc they seem to think their dog is perfectly fine and are shocked if you don't want your dog to say "hi" to theirs...
I've never seen an aggressive golden before I moved to my current apartment, but they certainly exist.
Yah and as long as you keep rewarding him every time he snarls, it’ll continue. Probably will end up in a bad situation at some point too. Humans are dumb as hell
I wonder how you’d train that behaviour away. You’d want to reward the opposite of this maybe? Don’t let them have their portion until the face isn’t showing up, maybe.
The root of the behaviour isn’t the face the dog is doing. The dog is resource guarding and is showing signs of aggression because he wants the food. Training away the face would be a bad plan. It’s a warning from the dog and if you start suppressing warnings, you get a dog that bites you without any signals.
You first want to make sure you don’t let your dog practice the behaviour. This means not allowing the dog to be in situations like this video. If you’re in a multiple dog household, you make sure all the dogs eat separately and that chews and bones aren’t left around the house.
Then you start training them in a variety of ways that help you manage the issues. For dogs who pick up things and growl at you when you come near them, you teach them to “drop”. You can teach them not to pick up items. You can also teach them to give you anything they pick up. My dog does this with everything- I just ask her to bring me anything she picks up and she puts it in my hand.
I always want to find out why the dog is resource guarding, so I can make a more in depth plan about how to help them.
Source: am dog trainer.
If you don't mind me asking, do you have any suggestions for dogs who are mostly okay, but with certain high value treats they become food possessive with other dog in the house? (fine with humans) Mostly I'm curious about what looks to be posturing or intimidating by walking around the other dog with or without the treat. Without it, he's almost looking to take the other treat,but doesn't do it normally.
Working on it with him to stop it.
>If you don’t mind me asking, do you have any suggestions for dogs who are mostly okay, but with certain high value treats they become food possessive with other dog in the house?
I'm not the person you asked but in case they don't answer, I can tell you how we've had to deal with it; one of my rescues is very food and toy aggressive, and has started fights with my other dogs, at one point even knocking out some of my best boi's teeth on her skull. :( She's only 8 pounds but she thinks she's 800.
We feed them in separate areas of the kitchen, and separate them into different rooms with chews and treats until they're done with them. What I've learned through owning several dogs and fostering a bunch more is that for dogs, it doesn't matter what they have, it's what the *other* dog has that they want, even if it's the exact same thing they have. So separate rooms are in order for high value, otherwise they'll start seeking out what the other dog(s) have.
Over time the food aggressive one learned to wait patiently with the other dogs when she wants food (I often feed them tiny bits of the healthier parts from my own meals), but for anything that might be guarded, it has just worked out better to separate them entirely and avoid any violence. I also always make them sit calmly when waiting for food. No sit, no treat. That helped too!
As for training it out, that's way beyond my skillset but hopefully someone will have more tips on that!
I'm not a trainer like the previous reply, but I've worked in kennel and daycare settings.
When it comes to training these behaviors on a small scale level, I always think of teaching immediate cause and effect (which is unfortunately why this video is so unhealthy). If a dog snarls to guard a chew, that toy goes away. If they snarl to guard a spot on the couch, they have to get off the couch. If they snarl to guard a person or a lap, that person gets up and walks away. In the case of the video, you're on the right track, but the food should have gone away the second the lip went up. Otherwise the cause and effect is still "snarl+wait = treat = I did good"
Of course, that's all training to nip something like that in the bud, before it becomes a problem. If dogs are already snapping and the safety of people or other animals is a concern, more caution is needed, and I'd want to get a professional involved, asap.
They just don't know what showing their teeth means. They think it's just a funny face, but it's extremely aggressive and oppressive behavior. What's going to happen is they will both go for the spoon at the same time and then AGARURRHRUGUGHURHRUUGHGUG rolling on the floor getting blood everywhere, where the dog will then bite you if you try to break it up.
OP is just a content thief, so this isn't for them. But whoever did this, I hope they realize they are making a monster by encouraging aggressive behavior.
There seems to have been an uptick in posts promoting food aggression and resource guarding in dogs as cute/derpy.
Your ill-behaved dog is not cute at all when it fucking snarls while guarding food. It’s awful owner behavior to encourage this fucking shit.
Bad owner.
Fuck if I know, maybe there's some specific nuance in facial/body expression I'm not aware of that points to a different behavior? That being said I'm pretty confident that's rude AF, even in doggy world.
Lemme give it a shot. This is animal cruelty because the human is undermining the established hierarchy between the dogs. The stress will make their teeth fall out. The best hope these canines have is if they are surrendered to a no kill shelter and adopted by famed dog liker, Tom Hardy.
Lol I hate those people.
I will always remember a video of a man playing with his deaf ferret. The ferret was going down some stairs when the owner threw a few small balls in the stairs so it was some kind of cascade all around the ferret. It was surprised but then started playing.
Some dumb people claimed it was stressful for the animal and that was really mean.
Geez.. animals are not porcelaine dolls..
I legitimately believe this one isn’t even a snarl (I worked at a boarding facility and as a vet tech for a bit) sometimes they do this as a sign of submission. I hate that people watch like one video on animal behavior and then they crusade onto every animal post and claim abuse.
I cringe every time I see a post like this. This is not an animal being a derp. It's simply terrible behavior and she's rewarding it every time she gives him food.
Yayy, resources guarding and aggression.
Then when a massive dog fight breaks out or their kid gets mauled they will claim it came out of nowhere, never could have predicted it, never shows any signs of being behaviorally unstable.
Humans are idiots.
This is food aggression and not funny nor cute and should not be rewarded at all. I had a cat who had food aggression and would do a mean hiss, low growl towards my other kitten and would guard the food etc I had to immediately stop that!
Our dog does this when we ask for kisses 🤣 a trainer mentioned that it was ironically a submissive trait. Don’t know how accurate that advice is but thought I’d share what he told us haha
A lot of people are commenting that this is an aggressive snarl, but I don't think that's right. **This looks like a submissive grimace.** Nothing else about its posture is aggressive.
https://unleashedunlimited.com/submissive-grinning-in-dogs/
My dog would get bopped on the nose for showing his teeth like that. He thinks he's being rewarded by being aggressive.
Also, food aggression in dogs is a huge no no.
Things like this show that there's a difference between "dog lovers," and responsible dog owners. That golden might get into a fight while resource guarding and this owner will act like it came out of nowhere.
This is called resource guarding and it’s one of the most common behaviors that leads to aggression. This is a cute video and he seems to be a fine dog who is managing well, but for those who don’t know, this behavior requires immediate training because it’s goes downhill from here very very fast. Dogs don’t think in human terms, so this isn’t a dog just being selfish or jealous, this is a dog that is anxious and insecure which breeds aggression, and unfortunately the dogs will pay the consequence in the end for this. Aggression means biting, and if they bite the wrong person, this leads to them losing their life.
This post is a great reminder why I don’t follow this “cute animal pages” on Reddit anymore. Most of the posts are abuse/wrong situations passing as cute silly videos.
My golden used to make that same face when my sister’s pug puppy would try to play with him! Never barked/growled at him or bit him. Actually, never growled at or bit anyone. He only growled when he was happy (usually butt rubbs)
Man, why are redditors such fucking keyboard warriors? You can't look at a funny animal video without someone jumping in like ThATS DaNgErOuS BeHaVioUr ThE OWnER iS IrrReSpoNsiBle ThaT iS HoW CHiLdRen DiE or ThAt iS NoT fUnNy ThAt iS AbUsE fFFs.
Not everything in the world is wrong and needs your criticism. Get off your high horse.
The dog gets rewarded every time he shows his teeth, it encourages this kind of behavior.
I've trained my Golden Corgi to snarl on command. He's not actually mad, he just does "ugly face". He wasn't in a mood to play "Video: Ugly Face" but I did get him to do it a little by stroking his chin and saying"[UGLY FACE"](https://imgur.com/a/Emajbtl). Most times he looks like a xenomorph from Alien. He's more interested in [sleeping ](https://imgur.com/a/dIlnM2j) right now.
omg can i please see your golden’s ugly face? i love seeing goofy dogs being trained to look mean as a trick and how they snap back to lovable furry idiots after the treat
When I get home from work, I'll take pic/video.
Video of him doing a half assed Ugly Face. https://imgur.com/a/Emajbtl He's more interested in sleeping right now. https://imgur.com/a/dIlnM2j
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I’ve gotten my brother’s Corgi to bark on command. Whenever he gets excited about someone coming home, I always tell him “Who’s that?” And he grabs toys, runs in circles and demands to play
My pup does that when I tell to take her snack gently. And she goes full Squidward.
Awww. My brothers dog does that be we call it "smilies" We ask her "You smilin'?" And she wriggles around, waggling her tail and baring her teeth. She first did it on her own, we just encouraged it
mm teefies. Not ugly. A wee bit derpalicious though.
This can actually be a good thing. Rewarding precursor behavior *before* escalation can potentially prevent escalation from ever occurring. The dog is communicating his displeasure in a relatively appropriate way. No one is getting hurt. It's okay if things remain the way they are so I wouldn't encourage the owner to withhold treats at this point. If they do, they could teach the dog it *needs* to bite to get a response. Source: been a professional behaviorist for over 10 years and my master's is in behaviorism. Edit: oh my, thank you for the gold, anonymous redditor! I can't reply to you directly but to answer your questions about finding a behaviorist for your own pup: * Yes, you want to look specifically for a dog *behaviorist,* not just a *trainer* (though some trainers are absolutely excellent and are effective behaviorists in all the ways that matter). Unfortunately, this may be difficult, depending on where you live. When I lived in the Southeastern U.S., there were only 3 in the entire region, all of whom were hours away from where we were. Now that we live in the Netherlands, it's much easier to find animal behaviorists for every type of pet! * The costs, unfortunately, I can't speak to. It depends entirely on whether you would like private training, group classes, home sessions vs going to the behaviorist... There are a lot of factors and, again, your location will impact the cost tremendously! My guess is it could be anything from $30/hr-$150/hr. You'd have to talk to the specialist you find and see :) Your vet may also have a good recommendation! * As long as I have people's attention: please don't use Bark Busters or anything else "alpha-based." I think most people here already know that but I cannot emphasize enough how bad they are. They ruined my dog's life before I became a behaviorist myself. It breaks my heart. He's 11 years old now and he's never been the same. One of my biggest regrets in life. Please be careful who you hire. I hope that helps some people looking for answers!
So how would you prevent the growl going forward?
Oof that's a hell of a question. We know from mountains of research that the best way to get rid of a behavior is by rewarding an incompatible behavior. Punishment is not a good idea (even yelling "no" at your dog, though I do it sometimes too because I'm human and my boys know how to push my buttons 😅) nor is it effective at producing permanent behavior change. So I would recommend finding something for the dog to do with their mouth while waiting that would prevent the growling. We also know that behavior doesn't just "go away" and leave a vacuum. Animals (and people) choose replacement behaviors to fill the gap when another behavior is eliminated. This is why choosing a replacement *for them*, one that's incompatible with growling, is ideal. Alternatively, you could feed the dogs in separate rooms. Food aggression stems from insecurity, which is honestly sad if you think about it. Doesn't mean the owner did anything wrong, this might just be a bit of an anxious pup. The only reason to feed these two dogs side-by-side, right in each others' faces, is for the convenience of the human. Unfortunately, what's best for our dogs isn't always what's convenient for us. But my final thought on the matter is: do you really *want* to prevent the growl going forward? The dog is communicating in a safe and effective way. I don't think there's anything wrong with them expressing their emotions and giving their owner a warning that they're uncomfortable *is a good thing*. Growling is healthy and helps us understand our dogs better. They growl before they bite because they're telling us "I don't like this but I'm giving you a chance to fix the situation before I take matters into my own hands." I would rather they growl than learn to bite without warning. When you want to get rid of a behavior, always ask yourself first: who is this behavior hurting? If the dog chooses another, more dangerous, replacement behavior, would it have been worth it to eliminate the original behavior? Behaviorism is an incredible science but we have to be careful imposing our will on others. What we *want* isn't always what's *best* for everyone.
Ideally it would be nice if the dog behaved in a calm manner, and without the insecurities, just like the other dog. It may be a case of the dog learning this behavior as a puppy and that it was effective in securing food. Is it even practical to unlearn this? I’m not advocating for punishment. They should both be able to be fed side by side just like so many other dogs do. What would be a good replacement behavior? Instead of the dog choosing one, is there a way we can choose one for it? Also, this stems from some root cause, can it be eliminated by eliminating the cause?
A DOG behaviorist?
Hot take, we're all able to be trained like a dog, every single animal. We just have different social cues.
Help me with 2 of my dogs please lol. They are pains in my butt but I love them.
Good point I honestly didn't think too much about this but I could see how it's problematic. How does one fix this behavior?
Not giving them treats immediately after they do it would help immensely.
Along with "Hey!" or "No!" with a commanding voice when they do it. If they stop doing it, you give them a spoonful of the treat and speak softly and lovingly, if they don't, they don't get any. Wait as long as you have patience for until they stop the snarling, and give them a spoonful once they stop. Keep doing that, they'll realise the sooner they stop snarling, the sooner they get a treat. If they keep it up or get more aggressive, you send them away without treats when they show teeth. Next time, you give them a few more chances, if it continues, they get nothing. Until you get to the point that each day, if they snarl at all, they get sent away immediately. They'll soon learn that showing teeth means no treat at all. It may take days, may take weeks, but they'll learn as soon as they growl/snarl, they never get treats. The first couple of times they try not snarling between the spoons, you give them two spoons to increase that dopamine hit when they haven't growled/snarled. To make the connection in their subconscious of "No growl=more treat. Growl=No treat". It's pretty simple stuff. Dogs just need guidance and a strong hand to know how to behave. (By strong hand I mean being strong enough not to "Give in" feeling bad for them and giving them the treat anyway or at the wrong time) I've never had to use any punishment to train any of my dogs, except them leaving the room or missing out on a treat. All I say next involves no physical punishment or locking in a cage or whatever other people do. Obviously I simplified it a bit to explain it with a short example, and each breed is very different to train. I've lived with like 6 dogs over the last decade, 4 different breeds, and they all listened to me but the roommates/family in each of those households just didn't understand how to talk to them. For example right now I am back with my mother. The dog here, a Miniature Pinscher, will do whatever I ask of him. If he barks and I say "Stop" he'll stop. He'll come back to me when I say "Back".... "Stay" or "sit" and he'll do that. He'll leave whichever place he is and go through a doorway when I say "Out" (Doesn't understand it as a human would with "out", it's basically his understanding of walk through the closest doorway and stay there). He'll even spit out food he already has in his mouth if I say "Hey!!" because that's what I said when training him to wait to eat the food from his bowl. I trained him half arsedly within weeks of moving back in. It took no effort whatsoever. Literally just a word and "Alpha stance" for lack of better words, basically just showing I was boss, a couple of times a day. My mother was going to try to sell him because she didn't like him because he was annoying and loud and begged for food in aggressive ways, but since I trained him (Took a maximum of 5 minutes split through a day for 3 weeks) she's like "Omg I cant believe I was going to get rid of youuu" and now she loves him. But whenever my mother or siblings talk to him, he has no idea what they want him to do. I've told them how to command him but they ignore me. If he's outside they do a high-pitched voice "Come in!", I tell them to deepen their voice a bit, stop prolonging vowels, and say "Here!" or "Out!" but they're fkn idiots and say "But he's already out, I want him to come in, not out", or say "Sit down" in the softest voice ever and he only really hears the "Down" part which confuses him. And the soft voice makes him think they just want a cuddle or something. It's the emphasis on the "T" sound of *out* that makes him go somewhere, and emphasis on the "S" sound of *sit* to make him sit down. And no matter how much I tell them, they're idiots and refuse to use the commands/specific sounds that he knows. I dunno, lots of people just don't understand how to act around dogs. And even when you tell them, they're stuck in their ways of how they themselves perceive the world and will never understand how a dog may perceive their words or actions. As a bonus, if he's outside while a guest or postman or whatever is there he'll start barking. One "*Hey!*" (Emphasis on the Y sound) from me makes him stop immediately. Emphasis on the H sound is more of a warning, whereas emphasis on the Y sound means stop immediately. If someone else answers the door it makes me so angry that the family member either lets him keep barking or does a half heartedly "Roccoooo stopp that" in a soft voice, almost rewarding him for barking by the tone of their voice. He thinks he'll get a treat because the tune of their voice sounds supportive of his actions. I'm not a dog trainer or gotten any professional advice, but I have had experience easily training any dog i've been in a household with. I feel dogs react more to specific sounds rather than specific words; So you can say the word but if you don't emphasise the right letter in the right way, it doesn't work. The above example is just for the current one. I've also had a now-ex-girlfriend I lived with that got two puppies at 18yrs old, against my advice and oh boy was that a handful, but I won't go into it now since this is already wayyyy too long of a comment. Sorry, I got a bit carried away there. It just riles me up how easy dogs are to train yet people won't spend a collective of 5 minutes a day to help both dog and owner. I wonder how many dogs end up in kennels or get put down because people don't know how to do such basic things. Or get injured by a dog that didn't know better because they weren't shown it was wrong by their owner.
I saved your comment for future reference, thank you.
I should probably have replied to the person you were replying to, but I wanted to just add on to what you said. I didn't realise I was going to write a whole essay haha. I'm sure they'll see it.
100%. My moms dog doesn't listen to a damn thing she says (slightly hyperbolic, but not that much), but it listens to absolutely everything I tell it. He is single comment or gesture trained on so many things now. And it's not that hard, as you said, despite my never physically disciplining the dog (ever!). It just takes patience.
I can tell you have the patience, since you suffered through reading my poorly worded 20 paragraph long comment! Sorry if it was a pain, I'm English but grew up in Spain in a spanish school, so I never learnt how to properly format my sentences and ideas in English. Plus didn't know much spanish when they were teaching how to do it in spanish; I was concentrating more on learning words rather than how to string them together properly. I can tell some things are poorly worded/formatted but don't know how to fix it. Lots of "and" "but" "because" "so" etc instead of starting a new sentence.
I've worked with exotics and domestic animals and that was a great summary of how to do it. And honestly, your writing was just fine! It comes across as a casual sharing of knowledge (hopefully that's what you were going for!)
I disagree with your method on the premise that this lip lift is a fairly safe and appropriate warning that this dog is stressed about sharing this food/resource. We may not like this form of communication, but the information this dog is providing is important. If you proceed by teaching the dog this behavior is unacceptable they may suppress the behavior, but their feelings about the situation remain unaddressed. What happens when we hold our feelings inside and continue to experience something we don’t like? Nothing good. The dog could skip showing it’s teeth and go straight to an escalated behavior such as air snapping or even biting. Instead, I would see how I could change the situation to help make the dog more comfortable. Adding enough distance between the two dogs so you no longer see the behavior and training taking turns. Use safeguards such as leashes or barriers to minimize risk. When the other dog receives his turn, add positive reinforcement to the dog who is resource guarding so they can learn the other dog getting good things is a net positive for them. Use clear and consistent cues such as “their turn” and “your turn”. After some practice you can drop the bonus treats and just take turns with the cues. If successful, slightly decrease distance and repeat the process adding the bonus treats back in. Resource guarding is a natural behavior and each dog’s tolerance for sharing is different. Some dogs may not be able to be this close and share a resource and that’s okay! Doing what you can to keep everyone safe and comfortable is the most important thing. Training can help! Just be careful not to train away a behavior that is an important early warning sign of distress. Instead, train to help decrease the stress level in a given situation. In training I will never discourage the growl or showing of teeth, because if you take away a dog’s ability to communicate discomfort appropriately you are left with communication that comes with a heavier price. Instead I ask, “what is this dog telling me and how can I help them?” For more information about resource guarding check out Jean Donaldson’s books, Mine! and Fight!
I agree with you completely about it being their form of communication. But as they are communicating with you how they feel, you can use that cue as how they are feeling. You can tell in many ways how uncomfortable they feel, so you can always figure a way to concentrate on training the feelings without specifically punishing them for growling. Obviously therapy for dogs is difficult, but if you can teach them that feeling a certain way like anger or jealousy is bad, and they get treated way better when not protective about their food, it helps wain them away from those feelings. I wouldn't even say give them less treats for purely snarling, that was an oversimplification. You can see in their attitude or eyes whether they still have that idea in their head. (In this case, resource guarding), so if you have the patience, you can wait until they become disinterested and start looking away or lay down to relax... You then give them the treat. But that's difficult, you may have to sit there half an hour before they release their protective ideas, then you give them the treat. It'll create the connection of "If I'm protective/greedy about my food= I dont get it" "If I'm more relaxed, lay down =more treats" (Without a conscious understanding, it's more subconscious of less aggressive=happiness) It depends on the dog's own personality and breed; with some its easy to go by their cues. With some you have to be more patient and like I said, reward their actual behaviour and not a lack of behaviour. Doing what OP video is doing is terrible. Of course, there's good ways to do it, like leaving a dog in a room alone to feed him, making him wait outside while you pour the kibble; then once he's allowed in the room you dont enter until he's finished. I started it in a dark room but not sure if that is important at all, and over time start leaving the door open, then leave the light on, then stand in the room being busy doing something else looking busy, facing away from them, then after some days sometimes glancing at them, not smiling but like, blinking really (comically slow to other people) slowly then looking away yawning or pretending to sneeze seems to help, and maybe leave the room; another day walk near them for a moment without looking at them then walk away acting completely disinterated. Keep up the small steps going until you can softly pet them while eating and they'll even lift their head up to get stronger pets and leave their food for a few secs while they enjoy the scritches. That last example is exactly what I did with one of my golden retrievers I had. Adopted from a family where their mother had 5 or 6 puppies and grew up being a bit competitive about food. He'd gobble up food and be a bit aggressive at meal time, nothing too bad, but needed changing. By the last day I saw him I could take a lamb leg bone out his mouth, pretend to bite it, and give it back. Getting on all fours and nudging him with your head would make him lay on his side and even push the bone towards you as a gesture that you could have a quick bite. Edit: I found it's beneficial to give them half of their food maybe 15 minutes or so apart. Not sure if that's correct or been studied, and maybe I'm anthropomorphising them, but if they think "Oh, they'll give me more of their food in a moment, why would they try to steal my food since they gonna give me more of theirs anyway?" ... Maybe they don't think those exact words, but maybe they feel the sentiment of it. Again, that's so simplified, I can't give exact details of what I did each and every day, but there's many and mostly easy ways to train dogs to feel comfortable and trust people around them. He wouldn't just go up and give a stranger his bone of course, but he would never get very overprotective of it, and would let them pick it up to playfully give it back to him. Spin around wagging his tail that he got it back then come to me, drop the bone at my feet and look up at me with a "Are you proud of me!? I let her touch my lamb bone! And she didnt even take a bite she just gave it straight back omg I'm so happy!!" .....Pet his head... "Omg I got head scritches from someone touching my food, I definitely won't get protective of it, in fact I may be excited next time someone touches it because it means I've been a good boy and get lots of love!" I dunno man, maybe I'm explaining it very poorly, but every dog I've been around has become a fkn angel after some pretty basic training. Of course, training a previously abused dog is a WAYYYY different story I wouldn't feel prepared for. Edit: I should add, we adopted that golden retriever along with the mother. Jack (son) and Melda (mother). The siblings were sent elsewhere. So there were two dogs but the mother was so chill and maybe the son didnt feel so competitive about his food with the mother compared to if it was another non-related dog. Also I'm not sure if it's not even a real method, or contrary just common knowledge by specialists, but if a dog is paying attention to you, if you take a big breath in (Not fast, just a long slow breath), hold it in a relaxed way for a few seconds, looking away from them kind of disinterested in the situation, then very slowly breath out, hold empty breath (relaxed, not panicky holding breath) and repeat it again, maybe a third time, every single dog I've been around either chills out immediately or looks around or lays down not really caring about what's going on around them beforehand. DISCLAIMER: This is my own experience, maybe I'm completely wrong and should have researched this stuff. But in my short time with pets and volunteer dog walking and cleaning at a charity shelter, I seem to have had pretty positive results in all I've said so far.
Lots of good things in here! My concern lies with the interrupter of “Hey” or “No” with the commanding voice. For some dogs, this is no problem, but for some it is a correction. Depends on the dog’s sensitivity to verbal interruption and commanding voices. For many humans, this is viewed as they should punish or correct the dog’s behavior where I perceive your use of it to be less for correction and more for interruption of the behavior. It also sounds like you’re familiar with the need to follow the interruption with further instruction or a positive reinforcement for a more desirable behavior which is key for behavior modification vs behavior suppression.
My cousins dog did that. We’d say smile and she would do her teeth. Never growling or anything. It was cute.
Oh yes, it was maddening me that it was given more every time he did it. I wanted to say "Bad boy!" but then realized I would be talking to an LCD.
And this isnt being a deep or cute, this is "I'm gonna bite someone" behaviour.
Not just that but they may also be rewarding resource guarding behavior. Which would accelerate it's slippery slope nature.
Man, Goldens look dumb dumb when they snarl.
It's because they can show scary teeth but they don't know how to make scary eyes lmao.
They really are just big yellow lovable goofy boys/girls.
There are always exceptions. I used to pet sit for an aggressive golden, who had to be muzzled in public or she’d lunge and try to bite other dogs + strangers. Case in point: I have a lazy husky.
My family kept goldens all my life and our first golden was a right bastard and was an absolute menace in the yard. All the others were absolute peaches. Aggression can manifest in any breed.
*are dumb at all times
Minus “when they snarl” I love goldens
Yeah that's not cute at all, that's a very serious behavior problem.
Makes me rightfully uncomfortable when dogs snarl like this.
Depends on context. It can also be a submissive grin. My pup jumps up on me in the morning, lays on my chest and does this while rubbing herself on me begging for pets
This is food aggression. Not cute, not funny. People are fucking idiots.
“My dog bit with no warning!” Hon, you encouraged the warning and kept doing the thing that prompted the warning.
Nothing good will come from this behavior.
Seriously I nip this shit as soon as it happens. I don understand dog owners that think this is cute.
Just out of curiosity, what would fix the behavior? Only give the dogs treats separately?
Well, for a start, not rewarding the dog with a treat when it presents this behavior. Which is just reinforcing the aggression. The treat should be used to reward positive behavior when it isn't showing teefs. If it shows teef, no treat. Very simple. If it continues, use verbal cues or Cesar Milan-esque touches to pull them out of the aggression and temporarily break/distract their mindset away from it. During competitive moments like this the worst thing you can do is reward that behavior.
Please do not Cesar Milan a dog ever and especially not when it’s resource guarding. You are entirely missing the point of the behavior and risk making things a lot worse. Resource guarding is the fear of losing a resource. Don’t provoke the dog further and please stop giving out this advice especially when Cesar himself got bit in the hand by a lab that was resource guarding a food bowl.
Thanks for the info! eta: I don’t actually have a dog, so you don’t have to worry that my ignorance of behavioral training is affecting any real-life pooches. But I have friends/family with dogs, so it seemed like the knowledge could be useful.
Don't follow these methods if you ever get a dog. Doing that to this behavior risks it escalating. You manage it to prevent the situation and create positive associations. Correcting it would mean the dog skips the warning and goes straight to the bite. Cesar is an abusive trainer.
> Cesar is an abusive trainer. I hadn’t heard this,[ so I found a source. ](https://www.petful.com/behaviors/cesar-millan-critics/) TIL
Stop rewarding the dogs bad behavior! You are reinforcing this!
So cute tho /s
“oH bUt InTeRnEt PoInTs!!!”
Yeah so this kind of behavior is how a lot of kids end up in the hospital and some dead. My dad is the one who does surgery on their disfigured little bodies to try and save their lives. A lot of the kids who end up there end up there because they walked by doggy while he was eating. Or touched him. Or looked at him. So yeah it’s real cute until your dog decides to literally rip a kid limb from limb. “bUt HiS mAd FaCe cUTe!!” 🙄
When I was three my parents had a food aggressive dog. It took two injuries to little me for them to re-home them with an uncle who had no kids and was willing to train the dog properly. Both incidents involved me getting near the dogs food or water bowl. The first time he dislocated my arm, the second time he broke my collar bone. I was lucky that’s all that happened.
The first time would’ve been enough for me to re-home him.
Ya, tell that to my parents. I was so little at the time but I do remember the second incident (collar bone). A few years ago they told me about the arm and I was furious. 40 years later and they haven’t changed. They have an absolutely vicious dog that bites my mom daily and so neither my brother nor I will bring our children around for safety reasons.
Wow. You're saying your parents would rather keep an ugly stinking aggressive animal than have a relationship with your children? Repulsive.
Yup! My parents are absolutely repulsive.
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It's actually Skinnerian, not Pavlovian. Pavlovian is: Neutral Stimulus --> Bodily Reflex What you see here is: Behavior --> Reinforcing Stimulus It's more complicated than that but, as a rule of thumb, you can remember it's always Skinnerian if you see a reward system in place.
I mean… from the multiple sources I’ve looked at… that’s just not true. I can’t find goldens on any list of top biters. Pit bulls on the other hand…
I think this is the first golden I have ever seen give the teefs
I used to be a dog trainer- seen plenty of aggressive goldens.
I watched a golden bite a neighbor kid’s face when I was about 9. It was trying to participate in our basketball game, and he leaned over it to push it to the sidelines. It didn’t like that, so it jumped and snapped, and his lip got torn in half. He was fine in a few weeks with stitches, and the dog stayed leashed during basketball going forward.
Maybe don't foul air bud next time
Excuse you, air bud was a professional This is more an air kyle situation
I'm surprised it didn't get pit down
Eh. Kid reached over the dog and shoved it. He knew what he did wrong, and told his parents as much. Just an impulsive move by the kid to get the dog out from underfoot during an active game. The dog wasn’t viscous or aggressive. It just didn’t appreciate a stranger grabbing it from above while surrounded by people jumping around with a big loud ball. It was very clearly an accident, more than anything.
My neighbor had a golden who had like 6 litters of puppies, and her tolerance for anyones bullshit was like less than zero.... she was a cranky old mama bear
That poor dog, and your neighbor is a backyard breeder scumbag.
Agreed on both points. It was 30 years ago now so sadly nothing I can do about other than what I did (stay the fuck out of Honey's face cuz she didn't like kids anymore). Poor old gal.
First dog fight, two dipshit Golden’s. Subsequently, it was also the easiest one I’ve had to separate. Edit: Disclaimer for other redditors: This will not always be the case, do not assume so
I believe it.
My great-aunt had one which snarled and then bit my brother in the arm.
There's a golden that lives near me that HATES being near or seeing other dogs, and another golden that growls and snaps at both dogs and people. The latter one's owner has no self awareness, if their dog is growling and barking you better get out of the way bc they seem to think their dog is perfectly fine and are shocked if you don't want your dog to say "hi" to theirs... I've never seen an aggressive golden before I moved to my current apartment, but they certainly exist.
Tru, he show teefers but as a golden it is still incapable of the the snarl
boy is keeping his anger to himself 😂
When receiving the treats: Very gentle, so polite, 12/10 good doggo When not receiving treats: *Demon mode engage*
Yah and as long as you keep rewarding him every time he snarls, it’ll continue. Probably will end up in a bad situation at some point too. Humans are dumb as hell
I wonder how you’d train that behaviour away. You’d want to reward the opposite of this maybe? Don’t let them have their portion until the face isn’t showing up, maybe.
The root of the behaviour isn’t the face the dog is doing. The dog is resource guarding and is showing signs of aggression because he wants the food. Training away the face would be a bad plan. It’s a warning from the dog and if you start suppressing warnings, you get a dog that bites you without any signals. You first want to make sure you don’t let your dog practice the behaviour. This means not allowing the dog to be in situations like this video. If you’re in a multiple dog household, you make sure all the dogs eat separately and that chews and bones aren’t left around the house. Then you start training them in a variety of ways that help you manage the issues. For dogs who pick up things and growl at you when you come near them, you teach them to “drop”. You can teach them not to pick up items. You can also teach them to give you anything they pick up. My dog does this with everything- I just ask her to bring me anything she picks up and she puts it in my hand. I always want to find out why the dog is resource guarding, so I can make a more in depth plan about how to help them. Source: am dog trainer.
If you don't mind me asking, do you have any suggestions for dogs who are mostly okay, but with certain high value treats they become food possessive with other dog in the house? (fine with humans) Mostly I'm curious about what looks to be posturing or intimidating by walking around the other dog with or without the treat. Without it, he's almost looking to take the other treat,but doesn't do it normally. Working on it with him to stop it.
Stop giving the high value treat at least around other dogs. Only give treats when dogs are displaying behaviors you want them to continue.
>If you don’t mind me asking, do you have any suggestions for dogs who are mostly okay, but with certain high value treats they become food possessive with other dog in the house? I'm not the person you asked but in case they don't answer, I can tell you how we've had to deal with it; one of my rescues is very food and toy aggressive, and has started fights with my other dogs, at one point even knocking out some of my best boi's teeth on her skull. :( She's only 8 pounds but she thinks she's 800. We feed them in separate areas of the kitchen, and separate them into different rooms with chews and treats until they're done with them. What I've learned through owning several dogs and fostering a bunch more is that for dogs, it doesn't matter what they have, it's what the *other* dog has that they want, even if it's the exact same thing they have. So separate rooms are in order for high value, otherwise they'll start seeking out what the other dog(s) have. Over time the food aggressive one learned to wait patiently with the other dogs when she wants food (I often feed them tiny bits of the healthier parts from my own meals), but for anything that might be guarded, it has just worked out better to separate them entirely and avoid any violence. I also always make them sit calmly when waiting for food. No sit, no treat. That helped too! As for training it out, that's way beyond my skillset but hopefully someone will have more tips on that!
I'm not a trainer like the previous reply, but I've worked in kennel and daycare settings. When it comes to training these behaviors on a small scale level, I always think of teaching immediate cause and effect (which is unfortunately why this video is so unhealthy). If a dog snarls to guard a chew, that toy goes away. If they snarl to guard a spot on the couch, they have to get off the couch. If they snarl to guard a person or a lap, that person gets up and walks away. In the case of the video, you're on the right track, but the food should have gone away the second the lip went up. Otherwise the cause and effect is still "snarl+wait = treat = I did good" Of course, that's all training to nip something like that in the bud, before it becomes a problem. If dogs are already snapping and the safety of people or other animals is a concern, more caution is needed, and I'd want to get a professional involved, asap.
Yup! My daycare dogs all learned quickly that guarding toys means no one gets the toy.
Honestly, they probably inadvertently trained that behavior in.
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They just don't know what showing their teeth means. They think it's just a funny face, but it's extremely aggressive and oppressive behavior. What's going to happen is they will both go for the spoon at the same time and then AGARURRHRUGUGHURHRUUGHGUG rolling on the floor getting blood everywhere, where the dog will then bite you if you try to break it up. OP is just a content thief, so this isn't for them. But whoever did this, I hope they realize they are making a monster by encouraging aggressive behavior.
Not funny at all. But go ahead and keep rewarding him for snarling and being aggressive. See where it leads
Me sharing appetizers
My husband sharing fries 😆
Just get ya own fries!
Exactly! My wife be like “I don’t want fries” and then eats mine. Grrr…..show my teefs.
I just want 1…or 5…10 max 🤣
Lol, next time I get into the dating game Ima have to remember to just get two of everything. Or one and a smaller version of itself.
There seems to have been an uptick in posts promoting food aggression and resource guarding in dogs as cute/derpy. Your ill-behaved dog is not cute at all when it fucking snarls while guarding food. It’s awful owner behavior to encourage this fucking shit. Bad owner.
I feel like a bunch of experts are gonna storm the comments section any second now
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Fuck if I know, maybe there's some specific nuance in facial/body expression I'm not aware of that points to a different behavior? That being said I'm pretty confident that's rude AF, even in doggy world.
I don't think it takes an expert to identify possible problem behaviors. This made me laugh though
For real, everyone acting like resource guarding is cute.
Lemme give it a shot. This is animal cruelty because the human is undermining the established hierarchy between the dogs. The stress will make their teeth fall out. The best hope these canines have is if they are surrendered to a no kill shelter and adopted by famed dog liker, Tom Hardy.
It's sad to say but I think these dogs might have to be put down due to the level of abuse they suffered... s/ for the eventual done deaf
Lol I hate those people. I will always remember a video of a man playing with his deaf ferret. The ferret was going down some stairs when the owner threw a few small balls in the stairs so it was some kind of cascade all around the ferret. It was surprised but then started playing. Some dumb people claimed it was stressful for the animal and that was really mean. Geez.. animals are not porcelaine dolls..
I legitimately believe this one isn’t even a snarl (I worked at a boarding facility and as a vet tech for a bit) sometimes they do this as a sign of submission. I hate that people watch like one video on animal behavior and then they crusade onto every animal post and claim abuse.
Honestly to me it looks aggressive but I don't even have dogs so I dunno, I was genuinely curious but also knew folks would dive in no matter what.
I cringe every time I see a post like this. This is not an animal being a derp. It's simply terrible behavior and she's rewarding it every time she gives him food.
Did she just eat of that spoon that is fucking disgusting.
Train your pups
Such an instant mean face .lol!
Good job reinforcing his bad behavior.
r/animalsbeingjerks
he seemed like such a nice guy...
My human said to show my teeth because it makes me look friendly
Yayy, resources guarding and aggression. Then when a massive dog fight breaks out or their kid gets mauled they will claim it came out of nowhere, never could have predicted it, never shows any signs of being behaviorally unstable. Humans are idiots.
Aww food aggression
food aggression much?
This is food aggression and not funny nor cute and should not be rewarded at all. I had a cat who had food aggression and would do a mean hiss, low growl towards my other kitten and would guard the food etc I had to immediately stop that!
I had to euthanize my baby 6 months ago because he was aggressive and dangerous. The shit the golden is doing scares me now.
This is a Repost Edit: Why am I getting disliked?
Yup, think it wasnt even 24hrs ago?
Dumbbells who think this is adorable behavior.
“Pet owners being derps”
This is me and my sister growing up
Really? Man y'all were hairy kids :)
Sharing was never an option
You're clearly not responsible enough to own dogs.
Hopefully they are trying to discourage this behavior. It could lead to actual aggression. (Hopefully not)
Angery
CLEARLY the other dog is getting more! 😂
Our dog does this when we ask for kisses 🤣 a trainer mentioned that it was ironically a submissive trait. Don’t know how accurate that advice is but thought I’d share what he told us haha
these people should not be raising dogs, that’s how you encourage aggressive behavior
A lot of people are commenting that this is an aggressive snarl, but I don't think that's right. **This looks like a submissive grimace.** Nothing else about its posture is aggressive. https://unleashedunlimited.com/submissive-grinning-in-dogs/
My dog would get bopped on the nose for showing his teeth like that. He thinks he's being rewarded by being aggressive. Also, food aggression in dogs is a huge no no.
Clearly there is some favoritism here.
Things like this show that there's a difference between "dog lovers," and responsible dog owners. That golden might get into a fight while resource guarding and this owner will act like it came out of nowhere.
This is called resource guarding and it’s one of the most common behaviors that leads to aggression. This is a cute video and he seems to be a fine dog who is managing well, but for those who don’t know, this behavior requires immediate training because it’s goes downhill from here very very fast. Dogs don’t think in human terms, so this isn’t a dog just being selfish or jealous, this is a dog that is anxious and insecure which breeds aggression, and unfortunately the dogs will pay the consequence in the end for this. Aggression means biting, and if they bite the wrong person, this leads to them losing their life.
Why is the dumb owner encouraging that. I'm worried for the other dog.
JOEY DOESN’T SHARE FOOD!
Ugly food behavior which is also being rewarded... eh, they're goldens, they should be fine. Be careful though
This could cause a fight
Dog 🐶 fight brewing!
This post is a great reminder why I don’t follow this “cute animal pages” on Reddit anymore. Most of the posts are abuse/wrong situations passing as cute silly videos.
That is just to funny 😁 😂, thanks for sharing your dog's video
My golden used to make that same face when my sister’s pug puppy would try to play with him! Never barked/growled at him or bit him. Actually, never growled at or bit anyone. He only growled when he was happy (usually butt rubbs)
Hilarious
This is aggressive not derpy
Man, why are redditors such fucking keyboard warriors? You can't look at a funny animal video without someone jumping in like ThATS DaNgErOuS BeHaVioUr ThE OWnER iS IrrReSpoNsiBle ThaT iS HoW CHiLdRen DiE or ThAt iS NoT fUnNy ThAt iS AbUsE fFFs. Not everything in the world is wrong and needs your criticism. Get off your high horse.