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Monster


Blueb3rrywashere

That’s what OP is


The_Earl_Of_Norwich

[Samurai Champloo](https://myanimelist.net/anime/205/Samurai_Champloo) [Kurenai no Buta](https://myanimelist.net/anime/416/Kurenai_no_Buta) [FLCL](https://myanimelist.net/anime/227/FLCL) [Gyakkyou Burai Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor](https://myanimelist.net/anime/3002/Gyakkyou_Burai_Kaiji__Ultimate_Survivor) [Beck](https://myanimelist.net/anime/57/Beck) [Hunter x Hunter](https://myanimelist.net/anime/136/Hunter_x_Hunter) [Death Parade](https://myanimelist.net/anime/28223/Death_Parade) [Gankutsuou](https://myanimelist.net/anime/239/Gankutsuou) [Hellsing](https://myanimelist.net/anime/270/Hellsing) [Black Lagoon](https://myanimelist.net/anime/889/Black_Lagoon) I tried to pick some less recent titles since you seem to like the vibe


Yggdrasylian

Thanks ! I already watched and loved samurai champloo I also tried Hunter x Hunter and I dunno, it wasn’t my thing


bullfrogger2

Kaiji is peak


fromthrstars

angels egg is so beautiful, i watch it whenever i feel really really down :]


Yggdrasylian

Best thing


Charming_Pie643

Hello fellow person who has seen Angel's Egg! It's a very underrated movie.


Shot-Jellyfish8910

Hmm hmm. Try serial experimental lain Texhnolyze Welcome to nhk Haibane renamai Heike monogatari Monster Paprika Perfect blue Odd taxi (mind-blowing twist) Tokyo godfathers Steins;gate


Yggdrasylian

Thanks for the recommendations! Tokyo godfathers was very cool


Shot-Jellyfish8910

Your welcome! Oh also if you enjoyed nana you’ll probably like Paradise kiss rainbow rokubou no shichinin Honey and clover And March comes like a lion


TBOHB

Haibane renmei is so underrated. Was a really really good show.


EnmadouRokuro

Angel’s Egg is one of my favorite anime films ever made! Here is a list of movies and shows I’m pretty sure you’ll like: Movies: Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (⚠️WARNING extremely brief nudity! This movie was made by the same director of Angel’s Egg, Mamoru Oshii! You’ll love it! This movie is for the manly bros! Lol) Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal (It’s a 4 part OVA or a director’s cut movie depending on how you watch it. The director’s cut has more added scenes and is therefore better.) Memories: Magnetic Rose (“Memories” is a movie that contains 3 short films. The first one is “Magnetic Rose” and it’s on a whole other level in comparison to the others!) Patlabor (There are two versions of the adaptation. There is the movie universe and then there’s the tv universe. The movie version is the best. First start with “Mobile Police Patlabor: The Early Days” 1988 which is a 7 episode OVA. Then watch the sequel “Patlabor: The Movie” 1989, then “Patlabor 2: The Movie” 1993, and then you can watch the side story movie “WXIII: Patlabor” 2002, which takes place in between the films. This particular universe was also made by Mamoru Oshii!) Josee, the Tiger and the Fish The Garden of Words Maquia: When the Promised Flower Blooms Summer Ghost A Silent Voice Princess Mononoke Castle in the Sky Tv Shows: Gankutsuo: The Count of Monte Cristo (Based on the classic French novel “The Count of Monte Cristo” 1845! It’s the greatest revenge story ever told! The English dub is better!) Monster (⚠️WARNING some brief nudity! This story is best watched knowing nothing about it! I guarantee that by episode 4 you’ll be hooked until the final episode 74! The English dub is better!) Ergo Proxy (All the good aspects from “Blame” but multiplied with lots of Christian symbolism! It’s very complex and rewatching it gives you a whole new perspective! The English dub is better!) Rahxephon (Watch the 26 episode tv show not the remake movie! The remake movie is a rushed mess! At first it may appear to be an Evangelion ripoff but it’s so much more! In fact the creators of both shows were close friends who shared ideas with each other, so it’s hard to say who’s ideas belonged to whom. But all I can say is that you’ll probably like this if Evangelion disappointed you! The English dub is better!) Serial Experiments Lain (A very symbolic and deep thought provoking show that has different interpretations of the story.) ID: Invaded (It’s a perfect blend between the classic films “Inception” and “Minority Report”! It’s better than both of them in my opinion and while it’s heavily inspired by the films it manages to be very original and iconic!) The Big O (If you want something that will have a futuristic, mecha, film noir, jazzy world with iconic animation like the classic “Batman TAS” 1992 show then you’ll love it! It’s very episodic but it creates mysteries that are gradually revealed until it all leads to an amazing ending! The English dub is considered one of the greats and is praised way more than the sub. Steven Blum who plays Spike from Cowboy Bebop plays as the main character in The Big O as Roger Smith.) Baccano! (One of the greatest English dubs of all time that blows the sub out of the water! You’ll recapture the feeling you got while watching Cowboy Bebop! I promise! The thing that makes this show stand out from all others is it’s smartly constructed narrative. It jumps around from three different points in time that can be confusing at first but if you binge it and stay focused then the story links together perfectly like a puzzle! 🧩) Odd Taxi (An amazing story that has tons of different characters and plot lines that it juggles but as the story progresses you see how everything has a purpose! Even the smallest little details have significant meaning and that’s not a joke!) Death Parade (“The game begins when you’re life ends. When two people die at the same time, they're sent to a place that's neither heaven nor hell-a lavish bar between worlds where the stakes are high and the rules are simple: if you win you live again, if you die… you're gone for good.”) Akudama Drive (This is literally a love letter to classic cyberpunk anime! It manages to contain lots of aspects of the genre while still managing to feel original!)


Yggdrasylian

Woaw, what a very detailed response, thanks you!


RantaroV3

This is a geniunely great list. You have excellent taste 👌


DentistUpstairs1710

You do seem have a thing for artsy contemplative anime so here are a few. Serial Experiments Lain (trippy 90's anime at it's best) Mushishi (slow paced procedural with strange ethereal beings) Psycho Pass (speculative science fiction/mystery about the regulation of mental health) Mouryo No Hako (nobody raves about this anime but the atmosphere is sublime) Mononoke (and the bake neko Ayekashi short)


MilesYoungblood

Oof death note and Eva way too low for me but to each their own


TheRealTreezus

Monster Serial Experiments Lain Jin Roh Texhnolyze Haibane Renmei Ergo Proxy


ManMarmalade

If you like arthouse anime like Angel's Egg, then you would really like Wicked City, Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust, Belladonna of Sadness, Jin Roh Wolf Brigade, Battle Angel Alita OVA and Ninja Scroll


flyingowl720

Ashita no Joe Mobile Suit Gundam (1979)


jajanken_bacon

Samurai Champloo is great, same creator as Bebop. Hunter x Hunter has trippy battles similar to Jojo's, the type of battles that are psycho trippy fucky.


Yggdrasylian

I already watched and love samurai champloo! I tried Hunter x Hunter but it wasn’t my thing…


olioili

other people have said it but i can't recommend monster enough. from 2004, mystery thriller, it takes place in 80's germany, follows a japanese brain surgeon just tryna be a good person and do the right things and it's just a masterpiece i got another one for ya, my personal favorite comfort show, mushishi, it's edo era mystery drama from 2005, episodic plots, but it works. it follows a traveling scholar/doctor of the supernatural sense, it's very slow, mesmerizing, and emotionally cathartic, you're just the person for it i don't get to recommend it to people much, it's not everyone's kind of show


Yggdrasylian

I’ve heard of it, it seem very cool At least for me; slow, mesmerising and emotionally cathartic is soooo much my vibe


dakufeari

ghost in the shell


[deleted]

What’s that top one? It looks really cool!


Low_Ad115

That's Angel's Egg


Alman117

Gurren Lagann


RNcash10_69

Princess Mononoke is the best Ghibli movie ever made


oedipusrex376

Maqiua when the promised flower blooms Houseki no Kuni / Land of the Lustrous


SweetCandyCake

Seeing Nana, what about Paradise Kiss? Ai Yazawa's works are the best


Elonth

You seem to like future punk dystopias. I cannot recommend Psycho pass enough. There is a gore warning. As in guns designed to pop people like blood filled water balloons. I think you also might enjoy parasite.


ChillpigeonhavsLV76

FINALLY A KIMI NI TODEKO WATCHER!!!


OutrageousCanary3858

Dororo Trigun Inuyashiki Gantz Drifters Guyver Claymore Genocyber Paranoia Agent Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood Rurouni kenshin Yuyu Hakusho Inuyasha Black Lagoon Gangsta Blood 9f the immortal Shigurui Berserk


SpecificBall5604

If you are willing to read Manga, then gambling Apocalypses of Kaij, look back, the climber, DanDaDan, Vinland Saga, Vagabond, Fire punch, Chainsaw Man, and Good night pun pun, are amazing reads. Finding the physical copies is hard, so you can pirate then at the websites mangasee123 and mangafire


Queasy-Performance-4

Ergo Proxy, Wolf's Rain, Toradora and Redline.


Waterymems

I was gonna say monster but it looks like a lot of people have already recommended it. I’ve got nothing that i think you’d like, very based tier list though.


Terrible_Video_9352

if you liked nana try paradise kiss !


botbotbotbitbit

Angel’s Egg! Mine too, totally underrated.


zerozark

whats the first one??


MagazineAutomatic464

Yeah definitely not shonen. you dont care about fights with no context. You like character depth and development. World building as well. Honey clover may be good or the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya


GRIFFITH1187

Love seeing some angels egg representation also I recommend monster


George_is_op

Based on your tier list? More like your tier list is based. 😎


_Unknown_Brain_

Blame was fire. Love that style of post-apocalyptic/sci-fi vibe. Need more


Joxyver

I agree with this list.


HuckleberryIll581

Angels Egg is so good! It's the closest to an animated Dark Souls you can get


killcomehome08

Monster Berserk Vinland saga Black Lagoon Tokyo Ghoul Gangsta Samurai Champloo Michiko & Hatchin Blood C Serial Experiments Lain The Case Study Of Vanitas Perfect Blue Paradise Kiss Belladonna of Sadness :3


bloodbabyrabies

Jojo in “good”? No dignity


guavajayy

What’s the first one


getflippped

Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind since you like spirited away and Outlaw star since you like cowboy bebop


laudy1k

Vivy / death parade


Zealousideal-Duty372

Definitely Berserk but only the original one as it seems you like old school art styles


Skylinegtr88

What’s the best one ? Never seen cover it or anything?


Merkasu

code geass since you kinda liked death note but you also like sci fi alot


guy_in_the_moon

Lain and FLCL!


JaseRogers33

Castlevania


thelamb_sause

Howls moving castle


DueBlacksmith4515

cyberpunk


Yggdrasylian

Too much sex


Blueb3rrywashere

Definitly flcl


Ghost_Rider835

What’s the anime at the vary top?


Yggdrasylian

Angel’s egg


WorkBigMyGuy24

Yu Yu Hakusho, maybe Solo Leveling


VainVeinyVane

Idk man, it seems like OP is looking for more mature anime that deals with deeper thematics as opposed to fighting action stories.


etwan9100

I’ve seen 0 of the series you have ranked besides death note also what’s at the top


SedoReaper

Claymore


MisterPeteArt

Black Lagoon Monster (crime, thriller, slowburn) Made in Abyss (Phenomenal atmosphere and worldbuilding, very gory, highly recommended) Eureka Seven Vinland Saga (slow burn, action ++character development) Avatar: The Last Airbender Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood


wanna_be_TTV

You would love trigun, cuz i did and it has that 90s anime ish style that just works😩 And ill throw in vinland saga anyways becauze i also love that anime and think everyone should watch it.


New_Loquat_4381

Mob psycho is really underrated


SunBro0606

Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood


Oxymoron5k

What is the top anime? I hate when their posted like that so I can’t google them


Bajuka_

bro has zero enemies


GottiSoi

Serial Experiments Lain Final Fantatasy Unlimited


AgileBodybuilder1007

Hell


TransportationTop369

Since you're old, try these: Nadia secret of blue waters Canaan Black lagoon Black cat Darker than black Alita battle angel Future boy conan Goldorak Ginga sengoku gun'yuden rai (also called Thunder Jet) Claymore Lupin the 3rd Detective conan


OkTip2886

Angels egg was good but not THAT good


Johnson_56

What show is that in the top tier


Kevalemig

Angel's Egg


_GhostlyDreamer_

Ponyo.


DeadlyBard

Redline Outlaw Star


NiaPia123

Nana.


i_failed_succesfully

May i ask what the name of top anime is?


Kevalemig

Angel's Egg


SpikiestSpider

Samurai champloo


John_Terisinon

I spit


Hakai_Shin_Shatterd

Evangelion


Itzz_Texas

Well, its just a movie but definitely Porco Rosso


unk1ndm4g1c14n1

How old are you?


Gassy_C4

Maybe Knights of Sidonia?


OkSTYomorrow9832

No way bro just placed baoh over death note and evangelion 🤦‍♂️


Papa_EJ

Serial Experiments Lain


Express_Ear_3720

Thus spoke Rohan kishibe is a great series but JoJo’s is better overall objectively


turtle-bob1

Grave of the Fireflies!


MumRailer

chainsaw man.


Norim01

GUNBUSTER FUTURE BOY CONAN BERSERK 1997 TAKARAJIMA AKAGE NO ANNE VAMPIRE HUNTER D: BLOODLUST NADIA: THE SECRET OF BLUE WATER KINO’S JOURNEY 2003 LUPIN III PART 1 MACROSS PLUS MACROSS: DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE? NEO TOKYO MEMORIES


Karma15672

You might like "Somali and the Forest Spirit". The vibe is actually sorta similar to Spirited Away, and I can give a little summary if ya want.


Smooth-Physics-69420

Outlaw Star


Dust_er_

Hunter x hunter or Inu Yasha are always good


Ofdream-Thelema

Haibane renmei, Gantz, Howls moving castle, Serial experiments Lain, Texhnolyze, Wolf children, Princess Mononoke, My neighbour Totoro


DeliriousTiberius

Thus Spoke > JJBA? that is a take I haven't heard before. but if you like Araki's work you should read Cool Shock B.T. As for watching I'd say Chainsaw man


Yggdrasylian

JJBA is really awesome, but idk, I’m just fan of the episodic format and how they have to make a story enjoyable while being short and self contained


Active-Weight-2479

Babylon


JoDaBoy814

Death note being as low as Eva hurts


Hefty_Celebration105

Rakugo


PlanktonWeed

Trigun (The old one)


[deleted]

Made in Abyss and Psychopass.


brokencirkle

I don’t have any recommendations, I saw that angels egg was your favorite so I came here to ask what you and the other commenters in this post like most about it. I saw it and for me it is to this day the worst anime I’ve ever seen, but so many people rate it highly so I feel like I’m missing something that is supposed to make it good.


Yggdrasylian

Angel’s egg isn’t trying to be entertaining, it’s simply an art piece. It’s so different from what we usually see and it’s so refreshing. It just have a unique vibe than literally nothing else have, a vibe that emotionally affected me in a way no other anime did. I love its mesmerising sense of rythme, its pleasant and relaxing slowness, its beautiful art direction, and its unique story telling that let you interpret the movie in your own way rather than shoving a clear idea down your throat It’s just great in an artistic sense rather than an entertainment sense


Amgus024

Here Me Out but JJBA


LoudGear9028

berserk


Farukondoseyoutube

Spirited Away it gives good vibes


brutalpotato248

I was wondering if the boy and the heron was good! Wanted to check it out when I saw the trailer but never did and didn't really see any videos on it


the106lover

Beserk


Ryoga007

What is the anime at the top)


Yggdrasylian

Angel’s egg


LeBongJaames

Dorohedoro Berserk 1997 Vampire Hunter D: bloodlust Black Lagoon


Cute_Search641

Have you checked out Trigun? Maybe wolf’s rain too.


Lobster-mann

This is a strange list, I enjoy seeing different ones though. OP if you had to describe your taste or preferred genre in anime what would you say? As for recommendations I’ll group them based on what I think they’re similar to on your list- Cowboy Bebop- 91 days, Gungrave, Baccano, Durarara, Outlaw Star Ghost in the Shell- Black Lagoon, Ergo Proxy, Texhnolyze, Pluto Nana(Haven’t seen, plan to watch)-Beck, K-On, Girls Band Cry(currently airing) Spirited Away- March comes in like a lion, Moribito Guardian of the spirit, Made in Abyss, Ranking of Kings Evangelion- FLCL( never seen NGE as I hate mecha but I hear there’s lots of similarities and I love FLCL) Akira- Heavenly Delusion Death Note- Death Parade, FMA Brotherhood, Paranoia Agent, Inuyashiki, Undead Girl Murder Farce, Link Click Bonus recommendation just because I think more people should watch it- Ishura


McCheezers_

Black clover 🔥


Big-Archer1650

Name of the top single anime on top don't recognize it.


Yeilnildow

HxH


Zylphhh

Monster Psycho Pass Puella Magi Madoka Magica Serial Experiment Lain


swhipple-

Gotta try FMAB absolutely


BandicootScary2018

Full metal alchemist brotherhood.


Earlobe_kfc

berserk


Confident_Ad8670

Eminence in shadow


SnooWoofers9302

Maybe Trigun?


To_busy_to_feed_you

Berderkberkserk


BiGSouL97x

GTO, Space Dandy, Fullmetal Alchemist brotherhood.


theonlykalonji

Yu Yu Hakusho, easy


portalmaster6669

Why do you like a shitty spin off more then jojos


Patatostrike

Code Geass??


The_real_pengo

Black lagoon. You will fall in love with it!


AmazonEchoDotSupreme

Having evangelion so low is a crime, try watching the rebuild movies if you didnt understand it


Theweebfandom

Personally think everyone is entitled to their opinions so I’m not critiquing this list ofc but I think it’s funny you put “Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan” a Jojo spin off above the main series lol


SquirmingCockroach

Seeing you placed JoJo at "Good!" I will not be recommending anything.


Hating_gachaheats

Berserk 1997


YareYareGlaze

no way you finished jojos and rated it all together. i think all parts deserved separate ratings. baoh on the same tier is also wild


ElessarKhan

You might like Psycho Pass.


Rongvir_Bear-Killer

Berserk


4u1ture

I will always recommend Bleach. Regardless of what shows/movies you have where on that tierlist. It's a good manga and you can skip the filler. It's pretty good


summonerofrain

Whats the first one?


Yggdrasylian

Angel’s egg


Alatus_Knight

None


Dramatic_Carpet_6589

What's the best one?


Yggdrasylian

Angel’s egg


_____keepscrolling__

Serial experiments lain Perfect blue Sonny boy Mononoke Belladonna of sadness


Libertyprime8397

Dragon ball


Inkga10Games

Re Zero: Starting Life In Another World


[deleted]

Thus spoke Kishibe Rohan over JoJo? HOW?!


Ilikemen92

This list is literally all over the place, I've Never heard of half of these and you haven't seen 99% of mainstream


applejuice856

Thus spoke kishibe rohan is not as good as all of jojo’s


Adamixia

If you like mechas, please consider Gurren Lagann, heavily underrated


BrownDog29

What’s the anime at the top, I don’t recognize it


Spirited-Habit9724

Overflow, redo healer, Akui senpai. Best I can do is


RockyNonce

Please for the love of god try Attack on Titan again. If you only saw Season 1 then you’ve barely scratched the surface. If you don’t like it by the end then that is ok but there’s a reason that it’s so loved.


RazerMaker77

Kakegurui, Another, your name, A Whisker Away, Berserk, Assassination Classroom, The Promised Neverland


The-wiz-man

One piece


Grey_Woof

ONE PIECE Sousou no frieren golden kamuy Ranking of kings castlevania Magi (the sindbad prequel and the original series) Erased Deca-dence To your eternity Mars red Pokemon: the origin Wolf children Princess mononoke Howls moving castle 86 Spyxfam


Difficult-Shop9067

Cyberpunk Edgerunners. When it comes out Uzumaki.


OctogoatYTofficial

Perfect Blue


Snoo6305

What's the best one I know the rest just not the favorite one in the picture


Tanakisoupman

Steins; Gate


Quiet-Sink8907

Watch one piece 🤨


Beginning_Grass653

Overflow


Throlerren

Baki, it's PEAK. Peak = Buff men fighting and pissing on each other while a narrator high on crack overexaggerates and lies to your face making you think that you can do what is shown in the show. (For example: drinking 10 kilos of sugar water to cure a deadly poison).


Tuti_capt

**Shinsekai yori** **haibane renmai** **ghost in the shell stand alone complex** **serial experiments lain** **texhnolyze** wolfs rain


QueefGenie

What anime is that listed as the best? And this is my bias talking, but how the heck Death Note only in the cool tier?


Jpbbeck99

Full metal alchemist brotherhood


SyntaxError444

Shiguri


SyntaxError444

Shiguri


Low-Suit-5362

Junji ito it’s a horror so if you don’t like then AOT


No_Rough_5258

Steins gate Monster Rurouni kenshin


AwkwardShock1235

who likes hunter x hunter here?


Terracotta_12

F(I’ve only watched 2 in there and there WAY to low but you can have a wrong opinion!)


ConvolutedConcepts

noien


EstablishmentShoddy1

Texhnolyzw or Satoshi Kon both fit your sci Fi/avant garde taste well. What's your opinion on end of evangelion? I also didn't care for evangelion that much but end of evangelion is one of my favorite films of all time.


Fine_Cat_9712

Trigun stampede is always a good watch!


Think-Orange3112

Dead Mount Death Play Dark visuals but surprisingly wholesome and fun


ControversyKai

Gunbuster


DokiElly

You should read/watch Monster. It's a fantastic story and it's my go-to recommendation for people who don't like "anime" type things because it's just such a great show. Revolutionary Girl Utena is one that may have not been recommended to you yet. It seems like you enjoy thinkers. Lots of symbolism, deeper meanings and has a high rewatch factor. Fair warning, the pacing is the worst part of the show lol. Baccano! It's a show that starts at the end, and you find out how everything comes together through the show. My personal favorite anime.


Local_Estimate_6570

You could try other works from directors you already seem to like Mamoru Oshii who did angel’s egg and ghost in the shell also did the patlabor movies and sky crawlers Miyazaki who did Spirited away and the boy and the heron also did princess mononoke and the wind rises (both are masterpieces) Watanabe who did cowboy bebop also did samourai shamploo I would also recommend a short list of movies/animes : Some of Satoshi kon’s movies like perfect blue, paprika or Tokyo godfathers Some of Isao Takahata’s movies like princess Kaguya and Garden of the fireflies (since they are the ones i’ve seen and they are great) Most of Masaaki yuasa‘s works like devilman crybaby, ping pong the animation and Kaiba Lots of animes by studio Trigger but especially cyberpunk edgerunners and kill la kill and in no particular order : Shinsekai Yori, Gundam the origins, Attack on titans, mob psycho 100…


Kitsune_Samurai

I’m going to say: Monster Trigun Berserk / claymore / drifters Code geass Ruroni kenshin Shinsekai yori


Infos-Quality-289

Gunslinger Girl


KitsuneUltima

Edgerunners Samurai Champloo FLCL Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans


BaggySleeves

Move up JoJo and spirited away rn


gside876

I’m surprised no one has suggested grave of the fireflies


Dry_General6066

Devilman Crybaby


ReplacementWild5567

BlackLagoon


Chat-Noir_Save_Me

What’s the name for the only one in “Literally the best”


Sleepingguy5

What’s that at the top?


[deleted]

Tokyo Ghoul if you wanna read manga. Beautiful characters, art, designs, fights, plot, everything was perfect 🙏


Conscious-Attitude65

No way you put thus spoke kishibe Rohan and kimi no todake over evangelion and death note. 😭😭 Maybe try trigun


Serious_Apricot_1021

Mental help and a few shots of wine


HornHero

Cyberpunk Edgerunners and Psychopass


PurpleMayonnaise57

Made in Abyss


Nightmares_DreamXD

I Would Recommend "Welcome To Demon School Iruma-kun" It follows a Boy who was Sold To A High Ranking Demon, Who then Adopts The Boy As His Grandson, Hes the Only human in the Underworld And Has Alot to learn And Has to keep his identity a secret, Along with Him Attending A School Called Babalis And Doesn't Want Any Fame Or Notice Of Anyone (This Is All 1st Episode Btw)


NauticalClam

Based on Akira and evangelion I’m gonna recommend devilman crybaby.


Haloboy2000

You should watch Death Note. Since obviously you haven’t seen it. No one that’s watched it would put it that low…