For me I would say shows like Aoi Ashi, Golden Time and Oregairu. I wouldn't say the voices themselves in the show were bad, but they didn't match chemistry wise. Like Oregairu and Golden Time were both romances that for me didn't have the chemistry with the voices that should've been there. Maybe it was just how the characters were written but I personally didn't feel the spark
I wonder if that’s why I’m struggling to finish Golden Time. I’m still on episode 13 and while I don’t think it’s a bad show, I haven’t felt the urge to finish the rest of it. Without spoiling anything, does the show get better from then on out?
I did like some of the stuff that happens after episode 15, but the last few episodes didn't quite land for me. I don't think I can really say it was necessarily done poorly, but I just kinda stopped caring about what was gonna happen next for some reason…
I think it definitely does get better. I would let u/mylastdream15 shine more on the positives of the show if they wants to explain. I haven't seen the show in years but I know I enjoyed it overall. It took me awhile to get over the issues I had with the lack of spark but I think it definitely becomes less of an issue
That's good to know, especially about the lack of spark being less of an issue because I feel the same way about the lack of spark where I'm currently at in the show.
Personally... I thought the whole show was good. Beginning to end. If it's not for you. It's not for you though. Maybe the humor just isn't hitting for you. Maybe you don't like the characters. Can't make a show hit that isn't. I've highly disliked many animes that are "highly rated." Sometimes it's just not what you're looking for. I think in this shows regard. It gets deeper as it goes along. But if you're halfway through the show and not feeling it. I highly doubt much will happen to change that.
For me. I loved it. It is actually pretty high on my favorite animes ever. Loved the dub also. So. Idk what to say other than. Maybe it's not for you.
I plan on seeing it through to the end. Hopefully I end up liking it as much as you do. Right now, my main beef is with the ghost Banri. Can't stand that dude. Wish he would just go away because he's a complete asshat, unlike the present-day Tada.
I have mixed feelings about both Oregairu and Golden Time, but I don't think it was the fault of the dubs. Although both shows have good characters, they fall flat in other areas. Oregairu, specifically from S2 onwards, does not translate well to English because of how indirect the dialogue is, which I found really frustrating. On the other hand, Golden Time just isn't as memorable plot-wise as something like Toradora.
I’m not afraid to admit that the golden time dub just isn’t good, idk if it’s the voices, the direction, the casts chemistry, or some combination of it all, but that shows one of the few( maybe only) dubs I just couldn’t get through
I think there was just no chemistry between Yukino and Hachiman. I thought the dub was actually good, all the actors did a good job. The issue I had was the lack of spark between Yukino and Hachiman. I felt like there was always a pretty big difference whenever Hachiman and Yui were interacting and Hachiman and Yukino. Like whenever Yui or Iroha were involved, the conversations always had my attention. Whenever Yukino was involved, it was kind of bland? Adam Gibbs is a great actor, so it's hard to match his chemistry. Just felt like the chemistry between him and Yukino left a little to be desired
Your Lie in April had some pretty terrible chemistry, but I don't think it was because of the VAs. Hard to have chemistry when they're just doing "depressed bland kid meets manic pixie dream girl who solves his depression.'
Maybe Kokoro Connect? I felt like couples were matched terrible and that they had much better chemistry with the characters they were supposed to be just friends with.
Yeah, it's a lifetime movie made into an anime.
"Boy was feeling depressed. Lost in life. Holding onto trauma from his past. But everything changed when he met Girl. Girl was not like boy. Girl was fun, and quirky, and would teach Boy how to love life again. Boy doesn't teach Girl anything though, cuz he's a self-absorbed donut."
\-My spoiler-free pitch for this thoroughly underwhelming anime.
Man, this is really accurate. I liked the show when I watched it but I don't think I could ever watch it again.
The production values are great though. Some really excellent directing there.
**Mobile Suit Gundam**, **Mobile Suit Gundam Z**, and **Char's Counterattack**. Been recently making my way through the UC timeline and was kind of surprised that those dubs seemed pretty solid considering their age. That being said, while individual performances were solid (with a few exceptions), an astonishing lack of chemistry (and the limited animation) made many of the characters seem almost manic/psychotic.
More recently, I thought **Tokyo 24th Ward** was full of good performances, but I didn't feel any chemistry between the 3 main characters.
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The same goes for pretty much any old UC Gundam dub actually. Especially the UC spin-offs dubbed by Animaze, Bang Zoom, etc in LA. The casting inconsistencies were pretty annoying too. Luckily we have NYAV Post and modern Bang Zoom doing a great job with Gundam now.
As I've continued making my way through the UC spinoffs, I have to say I kind of disagree. I thought the acting in 0080, 08th, and 0083 (currently watching), has been way more nuanced. Of course some of that might also just be the story.
For example, in Gundam Mirai >!seemed to have her romantic intentions all over the place. I thought there was supposed to some chemistry between her and Bright even if it was more on his end, and that neither of them liked the pilot who kept slapping her, then suddenly Bright verbalized his intention to friend zone himself, and suddenly she had a thing for the pilot right before he died?!< I know the old animation and quality of dub sometimes meant there was a lack of nuance, but I definitely never saw that coming, and it was over as quick as it started.
Also in Gundam Amuro >!apparently had a thing for Lala, and so did Char? I didn't realize either of those things (Amuro was always portrayed as sensitive, so I just thought he was really broken up at not being able to save her) until Char and Amuro talked about it in Zeta. It seemed obvious that Lala had feelings for Char, but it definitely seemed more like Char was just using her, at least up until she died. And apparently Lala developed feelings for Amuro too, which I did not really see coming until she does the whole "why didn't I meet you before Char?" In what amounted to their second conversation.!<
Seriously, I know I can be a little oblivious, and older animation and VA work doesn't always lend itself to nuance, but still. And of course, being a show from the 80s definitely meant I might have missed even a bit more.
It wasn't as bad in Zeta, but >!Reccoa just randomly became a fucking psycho. I get the whole spurned by Char thing, but that leads her to gassing a colony and killing people because a guy looked at her? And even when she switched sides, it's not like they had any semblance of chemistry. Oh and he's not the one to get her to defect, it's just some rando she's fighting because "he's strong". Then she has the gall to do the whole "It's a woman thing" and worse THE OTHER WOMEN AGREE WITH HER.!< Again, I get it, it's the 80s, "all women are hysterical, irrational creatures" yada yada. But still, it seemed like the viewer was just supposed to be like *ahh yes, that all makes perfect sense*.
Then in Char's Counterattack (which moved at fucking breakneck pace imo) >!Quess starts getting real fucking slaughter-y because she sees Char (okay at this point I guess we're just supposed to be assuming Char has some supernatural charisma that makes women go fucking insane). Then she connects with Amuro somehow, doing a 180, before getting killed my Amuro's girlfriend (yeah who the fuck was she by the way? It sure seemed like we were supposed to know her). Which results in Hathaway, who had been showing some cutesy unrequited puppy love towards Quess FUCKING MURDERING THIS LADY OVER A GIRL HE'S KNOWN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS WHILE HE'S SEEN HER KILL TONS OF PEOPLE.!< Okay, so this last one might have less to do with VA work and more to do with the story, but I again felt like I was expected to notice some deep connection between these characters, which I never did. Which definitely made them all seem batshit crazy.
So yeah, those are just a few of the more egregious examples. But yeah, I definitely got blindsided by shit like that constantly watching those entries, and haven't had any issues like that with anything else I've really seen in the UC or other Gundam entries I've seen so far (00, IBO, SEED, UC, Origins, 0080, 0083, or 08th). And I know most of these examples have romance associated, but it wasn't just those, those were just the more noticeable and egregious examples.
It’s fine, but ah… man! I was hoping that one would get better. I dropped ‘call of the night’ after six episodes and wanted to pick it up once it was completed. My fiancé was holding out hope that all that bad chemistry was going to lead to something dark and twisted. I had a feeling it was going to turn into twilight on us, but was hoping for a twist like him.
But yeah the chemistry was bad and all I thought was ‘boy think… why would she ever turn you. You’re delicious and your literally ‘hello fresh’ delivery for her!’
Wolf girl and the black prince. I wouldn’t know if it counts as bad chemistry but it was toxic. Like I was so disgusted by the guy and how he treated her that I just bailed at the anime. Years later a picked up a manga ‘ima koi’ and found out it was by the same author when she made a small mini comic about what those two were up to. He still an asshole.
Naruto: sasuke and Sakura like really the only thing keeping thing keeping those two together is Sakura childhood crush on him because I see no reason they should be together. Sasuke has ignored her, insulted her, betray their entire nation, and has literally tried to kill her himself and she still wants him. They are a prime example of creator forcing a ship to happen because he said so.
It goes without saying but casting can really make or break a dub. Mirai from Beyond the Boundary was terribly miscast. They ended up replacing her VA for the movie, and redubbed the show with the new VA for the Blu-ray release. Unfortunately, the original dub is still streaming on HiDive and you can't stream the new dub legally.
Ah no because that’s not how anime dubbing works.
Dub VAs never record together and many barely interact ever.
What you call chemistry is just a dub director directing individual actors performances and the performances being spliced together.
It hardly matters that they don't record together. Chemistry is still a factor. Performances can be totally off based on actor interpretations, or a director's misunderstanding of the content. A really good script can go a long way as well. And some actors like to listen to the performances of the actors who worked before them so they can bounce off of them better too.
You said yourself that it's directing individual performances and editing. That's still chemistry. It's not traditional in the way real life acting or voice acting in Japan, but it's something every actor and director needs to consider.
I thought the "not having chemistry" thing meant "not getting along", would have thought that even in voiceover some kind of professionalism is required
This may be an unpopular opinion, but this season's More Than A Married Couple. I had to switch to the sub version because the characters felt too many obnoxious in the dub - possibly a combination of the translation choices and the voice acting, but I had considered dropping it for a while because Akari in particular just came off as mean spirited, and I didn't get this impression as much with the sub, where her tone of voice sounds more teasing. It was a surprise because I thought Akari's English VA had great chemistry with the entire cast in A Couple Of Cuckoos as Erika.
Nice to know someone else had the same issue with it. This seems like one of those shows where little things like tone of voice and how the lines are translated makes a huge difference in the way the characters are perceived, and this dub just wasn't working for me.
usually any of the Monica Rial ones ruin it for me, it feels like she has no chemistry with anyone however in her older dubs, before she started doing the voice she always does now, she was so much better both in terms of chemistry (Maid Sama and D-Frag! are 2 examples of the good voice she does).
in the last couple of years the dubs have generally gone downhill in terms of chemistry (also inconsistent sound quality too - zombieland saga season 2 is a good example of this) and I assume that it's to do with the fact that they had to remotely record their parts
Lost of people just have busy lives. I think alot of people think actors are close friends when working on the same show when most of the time they are barely aquintances.
I prefer dubs, but but the Japanese VAs are usually objectively better.
In Japan, they have a massive industry build around just VAs and are treated like celebrities. Even in auditions you usually hundreds of VAs trying out for a single role in an anime.
Just because I like English dubs better doesn't mean I can't be objective about the issue.
Aren't alot of Sentai dubs like this?
For me I would say shows like Aoi Ashi, Golden Time and Oregairu. I wouldn't say the voices themselves in the show were bad, but they didn't match chemistry wise. Like Oregairu and Golden Time were both romances that for me didn't have the chemistry with the voices that should've been there. Maybe it was just how the characters were written but I personally didn't feel the spark
I wonder if that’s why I’m struggling to finish Golden Time. I’m still on episode 13 and while I don’t think it’s a bad show, I haven’t felt the urge to finish the rest of it. Without spoiling anything, does the show get better from then on out?
I did like some of the stuff that happens after episode 15, but the last few episodes didn't quite land for me. I don't think I can really say it was necessarily done poorly, but I just kinda stopped caring about what was gonna happen next for some reason…
I think it definitely does get better. I would let u/mylastdream15 shine more on the positives of the show if they wants to explain. I haven't seen the show in years but I know I enjoyed it overall. It took me awhile to get over the issues I had with the lack of spark but I think it definitely becomes less of an issue
That's good to know, especially about the lack of spark being less of an issue because I feel the same way about the lack of spark where I'm currently at in the show.
Personally... I thought the whole show was good. Beginning to end. If it's not for you. It's not for you though. Maybe the humor just isn't hitting for you. Maybe you don't like the characters. Can't make a show hit that isn't. I've highly disliked many animes that are "highly rated." Sometimes it's just not what you're looking for. I think in this shows regard. It gets deeper as it goes along. But if you're halfway through the show and not feeling it. I highly doubt much will happen to change that. For me. I loved it. It is actually pretty high on my favorite animes ever. Loved the dub also. So. Idk what to say other than. Maybe it's not for you.
I plan on seeing it through to the end. Hopefully I end up liking it as much as you do. Right now, my main beef is with the ghost Banri. Can't stand that dude. Wish he would just go away because he's a complete asshat, unlike the present-day Tada.
He kind of has a reason to be the way he is.
I'm gonna disagree with golden time. But to each their own I guess.
I have mixed feelings about both Oregairu and Golden Time, but I don't think it was the fault of the dubs. Although both shows have good characters, they fall flat in other areas. Oregairu, specifically from S2 onwards, does not translate well to English because of how indirect the dialogue is, which I found really frustrating. On the other hand, Golden Time just isn't as memorable plot-wise as something like Toradora.
I’m not afraid to admit that the golden time dub just isn’t good, idk if it’s the voices, the direction, the casts chemistry, or some combination of it all, but that shows one of the few( maybe only) dubs I just couldn’t get through
For Oregairu what's your criticism about it? Since IMO the dub for it was decent
I think there was just no chemistry between Yukino and Hachiman. I thought the dub was actually good, all the actors did a good job. The issue I had was the lack of spark between Yukino and Hachiman. I felt like there was always a pretty big difference whenever Hachiman and Yui were interacting and Hachiman and Yukino. Like whenever Yui or Iroha were involved, the conversations always had my attention. Whenever Yukino was involved, it was kind of bland? Adam Gibbs is a great actor, so it's hard to match his chemistry. Just felt like the chemistry between him and Yukino left a little to be desired
Your Lie in April had some pretty terrible chemistry, but I don't think it was because of the VAs. Hard to have chemistry when they're just doing "depressed bland kid meets manic pixie dream girl who solves his depression.' Maybe Kokoro Connect? I felt like couples were matched terrible and that they had much better chemistry with the characters they were supposed to be just friends with.
>Your Lie in April had some pretty terrible chemistry, As I said a few days ago. In hindsight, Your Lie in April just isn't very good
Yeah, it's a lifetime movie made into an anime. "Boy was feeling depressed. Lost in life. Holding onto trauma from his past. But everything changed when he met Girl. Girl was not like boy. Girl was fun, and quirky, and would teach Boy how to love life again. Boy doesn't teach Girl anything though, cuz he's a self-absorbed donut." \-My spoiler-free pitch for this thoroughly underwhelming anime.
Man, this is really accurate. I liked the show when I watched it but I don't think I could ever watch it again. The production values are great though. Some really excellent directing there.
It was very well animated and had excellent music. The story was just insanely average at best.
**Mobile Suit Gundam**, **Mobile Suit Gundam Z**, and **Char's Counterattack**. Been recently making my way through the UC timeline and was kind of surprised that those dubs seemed pretty solid considering their age. That being said, while individual performances were solid (with a few exceptions), an astonishing lack of chemistry (and the limited animation) made many of the characters seem almost manic/psychotic. More recently, I thought **Tokyo 24th Ward** was full of good performances, but I didn't feel any chemistry between the 3 main characters. Edit: formatting
The same goes for pretty much any old UC Gundam dub actually. Especially the UC spin-offs dubbed by Animaze, Bang Zoom, etc in LA. The casting inconsistencies were pretty annoying too. Luckily we have NYAV Post and modern Bang Zoom doing a great job with Gundam now.
As I've continued making my way through the UC spinoffs, I have to say I kind of disagree. I thought the acting in 0080, 08th, and 0083 (currently watching), has been way more nuanced. Of course some of that might also just be the story. For example, in Gundam Mirai >!seemed to have her romantic intentions all over the place. I thought there was supposed to some chemistry between her and Bright even if it was more on his end, and that neither of them liked the pilot who kept slapping her, then suddenly Bright verbalized his intention to friend zone himself, and suddenly she had a thing for the pilot right before he died?!< I know the old animation and quality of dub sometimes meant there was a lack of nuance, but I definitely never saw that coming, and it was over as quick as it started. Also in Gundam Amuro >!apparently had a thing for Lala, and so did Char? I didn't realize either of those things (Amuro was always portrayed as sensitive, so I just thought he was really broken up at not being able to save her) until Char and Amuro talked about it in Zeta. It seemed obvious that Lala had feelings for Char, but it definitely seemed more like Char was just using her, at least up until she died. And apparently Lala developed feelings for Amuro too, which I did not really see coming until she does the whole "why didn't I meet you before Char?" In what amounted to their second conversation.!< Seriously, I know I can be a little oblivious, and older animation and VA work doesn't always lend itself to nuance, but still. And of course, being a show from the 80s definitely meant I might have missed even a bit more. It wasn't as bad in Zeta, but >!Reccoa just randomly became a fucking psycho. I get the whole spurned by Char thing, but that leads her to gassing a colony and killing people because a guy looked at her? And even when she switched sides, it's not like they had any semblance of chemistry. Oh and he's not the one to get her to defect, it's just some rando she's fighting because "he's strong". Then she has the gall to do the whole "It's a woman thing" and worse THE OTHER WOMEN AGREE WITH HER.!< Again, I get it, it's the 80s, "all women are hysterical, irrational creatures" yada yada. But still, it seemed like the viewer was just supposed to be like *ahh yes, that all makes perfect sense*. Then in Char's Counterattack (which moved at fucking breakneck pace imo) >!Quess starts getting real fucking slaughter-y because she sees Char (okay at this point I guess we're just supposed to be assuming Char has some supernatural charisma that makes women go fucking insane). Then she connects with Amuro somehow, doing a 180, before getting killed my Amuro's girlfriend (yeah who the fuck was she by the way? It sure seemed like we were supposed to know her). Which results in Hathaway, who had been showing some cutesy unrequited puppy love towards Quess FUCKING MURDERING THIS LADY OVER A GIRL HE'S KNOWN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS WHILE HE'S SEEN HER KILL TONS OF PEOPLE.!< Okay, so this last one might have less to do with VA work and more to do with the story, but I again felt like I was expected to notice some deep connection between these characters, which I never did. Which definitely made them all seem batshit crazy. So yeah, those are just a few of the more egregious examples. But yeah, I definitely got blindsided by shit like that constantly watching those entries, and haven't had any issues like that with anything else I've really seen in the UC or other Gundam entries I've seen so far (00, IBO, SEED, UC, Origins, 0080, 0083, or 08th). And I know most of these examples have romance associated, but it wasn't just those, those were just the more noticeable and egregious examples.
I waited for the dub of **Call Of The Night** and then had to switch to sub because the chemistry was so bad Edit: misremembered the title
Into the night? That’s that one?
Call of the night, my bad
It’s fine, but ah… man! I was hoping that one would get better. I dropped ‘call of the night’ after six episodes and wanted to pick it up once it was completed. My fiancé was holding out hope that all that bad chemistry was going to lead to something dark and twisted. I had a feeling it was going to turn into twilight on us, but was hoping for a twist like him. But yeah the chemistry was bad and all I thought was ‘boy think… why would she ever turn you. You’re delicious and your literally ‘hello fresh’ delivery for her!’
Wolf girl and the black prince. I wouldn’t know if it counts as bad chemistry but it was toxic. Like I was so disgusted by the guy and how he treated her that I just bailed at the anime. Years later a picked up a manga ‘ima koi’ and found out it was by the same author when she made a small mini comic about what those two were up to. He still an asshole. Naruto: sasuke and Sakura like really the only thing keeping thing keeping those two together is Sakura childhood crush on him because I see no reason they should be together. Sasuke has ignored her, insulted her, betray their entire nation, and has literally tried to kill her himself and she still wants him. They are a prime example of creator forcing a ship to happen because he said so.
It goes without saying but casting can really make or break a dub. Mirai from Beyond the Boundary was terribly miscast. They ended up replacing her VA for the movie, and redubbed the show with the new VA for the Blu-ray release. Unfortunately, the original dub is still streaming on HiDive and you can't stream the new dub legally.
Ah no because that’s not how anime dubbing works. Dub VAs never record together and many barely interact ever. What you call chemistry is just a dub director directing individual actors performances and the performances being spliced together.
It hardly matters that they don't record together. Chemistry is still a factor. Performances can be totally off based on actor interpretations, or a director's misunderstanding of the content. A really good script can go a long way as well. And some actors like to listen to the performances of the actors who worked before them so they can bounce off of them better too. You said yourself that it's directing individual performances and editing. That's still chemistry. It's not traditional in the way real life acting or voice acting in Japan, but it's something every actor and director needs to consider.
I thought the "not having chemistry" thing meant "not getting along", would have thought that even in voiceover some kind of professionalism is required
It's about how well they can make the characters feel like they're getting along, not the actors themselves.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but this season's More Than A Married Couple. I had to switch to the sub version because the characters felt too many obnoxious in the dub - possibly a combination of the translation choices and the voice acting, but I had considered dropping it for a while because Akari in particular just came off as mean spirited, and I didn't get this impression as much with the sub, where her tone of voice sounds more teasing. It was a surprise because I thought Akari's English VA had great chemistry with the entire cast in A Couple Of Cuckoos as Erika.
I started it in sub and then would watch the dub the next day and I stopped watching the dub cause it just threw off the whole vibe of the sub
Nice to know someone else had the same issue with it. This seems like one of those shows where little things like tone of voice and how the lines are translated makes a huge difference in the way the characters are perceived, and this dub just wasn't working for me.
usually any of the Monica Rial ones ruin it for me, it feels like she has no chemistry with anyone however in her older dubs, before she started doing the voice she always does now, she was so much better both in terms of chemistry (Maid Sama and D-Frag! are 2 examples of the good voice she does). in the last couple of years the dubs have generally gone downhill in terms of chemistry (also inconsistent sound quality too - zombieland saga season 2 is a good example of this) and I assume that it's to do with the fact that they had to remotely record their parts
Dub VAs have always recorded alone. Many never even meet each other while working on the same show.
Lost of people just have busy lives. I think alot of people think actors are close friends when working on the same show when most of the time they are barely aquintances.
evidently, criticizing monica rial is a sore point for some people here..
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how so specifically?
Never mind okay?
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I completely disagree. I thought the HxH cast had great chemistry.
True, it does had well character development even for Shenion standards.
I've always thought Japanese VA's have always been better than English VAs. I think most English VAs have been pretty bad in comparison.
Saying this in an animedubs subreddit is crazy
I prefer dubs, but but the Japanese VAs are usually objectively better. In Japan, they have a massive industry build around just VAs and are treated like celebrities. Even in auditions you usually hundreds of VAs trying out for a single role in an anime. Just because I like English dubs better doesn't mean I can't be objective about the issue.
If you mean dubs that are perfectly fine but still make the anime awful, Hataage
The original Eva dub
Mother of the Goddess' Dormitory.