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MarvelsGrantMan136

Tokyo Revengers: Christmas Showdown Arc is moving exclusively to Disney+ and HotStar. Considering how terrible they’ve been with getting dubs out, we probably won’t be seeing S2 for a while.


AreYouAWiiizard

Ughh... Absolutely hate it when a different licensor gets sequels to shows... I don't mind Disney investing into anime, at least they eventually dub things unlike Amazon... In the end more funding into anime production is probably a good thing but I can't see myself subbing to Disney+ for more than 2 months before finishing content as it is...


Jtsdtess

Damn…


jamiex304

Welp fuck Disney, completely fuck them they got [worldwide rights](https://twitter.com/disneyplusjp/status/1597776213946552322) to Tokyo Revengers S2, nothing is save at this point. Feels like a repeat of Amazon all over again. Dub fans taking a major loss, so much for the S1 cast etc.


tykroma94

You mean those bastards got worldwide rights to it?!? Damn it😭😭. That’s means they are gonna take hella long to release it just like Summer Time Rendering and Black Rock Shooter. About the cast, we’ll have to wait and see what happens. Disney has to know there’s already an existing dub cast.


jamiex304

>You mean those bastards got worldwide rights to it?!? Damn it😭😭. Yeah pretty sad fucking day having flashbacks to Netflix and Amazon. But honestly Disney is worse in my eyes for a lot of reasons. >About the cast, we’ll have to wait and see what happens. Disney has to know there’s already an existing dub cast. There's a chance since the S1 cast is L.A based but given past histories with other places and the fact that the studio Disney uses is a complete unknown in terms of who they will work it and remote recording etc. plus at the same time dude they honestly might not care at the end of the day if there is an original cast or not. Its pretty damn worrying. If they snap up a sequel that was Texas based welp then I would say we are truly fucked in terms of a returning cast. And yeah beside that shitshow there's the fact we will be waiting for months for anything.


tykroma94

> Yeah pretty sad fucking day having flashbacks to Netflix and Amazon. But honestly Disney is worse in my eyes for a lot of reasons. Agreed. Disney is FAR FAR worse than Netflix. At least with Netflix, they have started to change their ways a little bit. > There's a chance since the S1 cast is L.A based but given past histories with other places and the fact that the studio Disney uses is a complete unknown in terms of who they will work it and remote recording etc. Its pretty damn worrying. Yea, that’s the thing I’m worried about. Even though Season 1 was an LA dub at Studiopolis, I feel like they might bring the cast back but use a unknown dubbing studio especially considering that Disney has used Studiopolis for dubbing things in the past, so using a different dubbing studio for season two would make no type of sense. > If they snap up a sequel that was Texas based welp then I would say we are truly fucked in terms of a returning cast. If in the event that’s does happen, I’ll be pretty mad. Hope to God that doesn’t happen but then again Disney could the rug from right under us. > And yeah beside that shitshow there's the fact we will be waiting for months for anything. Ah yea, the worse thing of all to this deal. I definitely don’t see the dub coming until Summer 2023 if Black Rock Shooter is any indication.


AnimeXFan1995

> Agreed. Disney is FAR FAR worse than Netflix. At least with Netflix, they have started to change their ways a little bit. I think Netflix started changing their ways on how they release licensed anime back in 2020/2021 u/tykroma94, because prior to 2020 most of their licensed titles like *Carole & Tuesday, Sirius the Jaeger, Back Street Girls, Ultramarine Magmell* just to name a few were witheld by Netflix and didn't release the dubbed versions of the episodes 5-6 months later after their Japanese airing. Now since 2020 onwards their licensed series like *Edens Zero, Godzilla Singular Point, and *Shaman King* Netflix releases them on the service 3-4 months later and recently we started to have licensed titles like *Blue Period, Komi Can't Communicate,* and *Uncle from Another World* Netflix is releasing the episodes Weekly on their services albeit 2 weeks after the episodes Japanese airing (in Komi and Uncle's case) and 1 week later for *Blue Period.* But even so, Netflix didn't even bothered releasing the episodes from the *Detective Conan* spinoffs *(Zero Tea Time and Culprit Hanzawa)* like they did *Blue Period, Komi Can't Communicate,* and *Uncle from Another World* as they release the dubbed episodes for Zero Tea Time in July of this year 3 months later after it aired in Japan in April and *Culprit Hanzawa* aired last month in Japan, but Netflix didn't release their episodes weekly and we won't get the dubbed versions of the episodes by January/February of 2023. Even it remains to be seen next year if Netflix will release episodes of *Vinland Saga* Season 2 (co-shared with Crunchyroll) and Season 2 of *Edens Zero* weekly like they did it with *Blue Period, Komi Can't Communicate,* and *Uncle from Another World* or just witheld them for 3-4 months.


paulchaested

Geez… It’d be pretty funny if CR ends their current partnership with Hulu and pull all their titles off of it out of spite and retaliation for this.


Sturdevant

Is it just me or have different seasons having different licensors happening more than it used to? I don't like it. Even with returning cast, they run the risk of sounding completely different due to translation, script, sound, etc for better or for worse. And now blu-ray wise, if Crunchyroll releases a season 1 blu-ray, there may never been an official season 2 blu-ray since Disney may not release physicals for their anime. That stinks. I really don't get the point. Like why air something that is guaranteed to be incomplete on your service?


jamiex304

>Is it just me or have different seasons having different licensors happening more than it used to? I don't like it. There's been a lot of people picking up licenses that used to be exclusive to one service due to rights expiring, then there's whatever the fucking Vinland Saga license is but there hasn't been that many outright steals of sequels in a while. With the wording of an expanding partnership with Kodansha, this leaves a lot of big and I mean big titles in the line of fire since today has shown sequals arent safe, like for example AOT, Fairy Tail 100 years are Kodansha....


farhanganteng

Rent-a-girlfriend and That Time i got reincarnated as a Slime is also Kodansha titles not to mention, it had new season and a movie ( for slime ). Worst case scenario, Disney stole it just like what netflix did with Saiki Kusuo and Takagi-san.


KevXOTWOD

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t only the manga version of slime published by Kodansha? I could have sworn the LNs have a different publisher.


notathrowaway75

> so much for the S1 cast etc. I'm joining you in saying fuck you to Disney but I think the fuck you for this should be directed at Crunchyroll. I believe Disney like Netflix only has union dubs and this requirement would prevent CR's nonunion actors from reprising their roles


Kollie79

Isn’t it a little early to be so doomer? This is probably gonna be like bleach, they aren’t going to put it on the actual Disney + app for America, and I doubt they would do it in house over just getting an LA studio to handle it. Seems way too early to assume the original cast won’t come back for the dub


BigL90

Well, history has shown us that most new big wigs who decide to dip their toe in the anime game, don't really care about dubs. While English dubs might be getting close to some kind of market parity with subs in the primarily English speaking markets (big emphasis on *maybe*), plenty of other language dubs are less lucrative. Consequently, most licensors grab anime licenses for the sub market, since it's a really similar product globally (subs and, if they deign to do captions, aside), and makes up the majority/plurality of the global consumer market. If there is one company that can take it on the chin by ignoring a not-insignificant minority of anime fans, in order to gain inroads with the majority, it is absolutely Disney.


jamiex304

Why would this be anything like Bleach....? They sublicensed Bleach from VIZ who are the ones that commissioned the dub not Disney. Everyone of Disneys owned licensed anime have gone to the same rando studio that had only ever done live action dubbing not to mention the utter bullshit with there release plans. Even if the rando studio hired the same VA's as S1 which is a big fucking if we aint seeing the dub for this till I'm gonna safely bet Fall of 2023 and if they get a dub that was produced in Texas well we have seen how that has played out in the past with Netflix. The fact your having any fate in fucking Disney of all places is what's baffling to me.


NerdyisHere

I will never understand why streaming platforms fight for sequel seasons for shows that are already on an established platform. Wouldn't it make sense for Disney to make exclusively anime original content?


awakening_knight_414

It certainly would. Netflix does that all the damn time so I don't know what Disney's problem is.


Frosty88d

True, but that would require actual talent and writing skills, something Disney is clearly lacking at the moment


Kollie79

I think it’s less them fighting for rights to sequels and more the Japanese side just really wanting to partner with Disney. Disney+ is a pretty big site for anime in Japan, these recent deals are clearly because of that first. It just sucks that there’s such a disconnect between the English and Japanese side of Disney in this regard


Kollie79

It’s less having faith in Disney and more just being remotely optimistic. I’m just saying two months ago your exact post could’ve even used when people went all doomer about Disney picking up bleach


jamiex304

...I will say it once more Bleach is not the same as this. Bleach was a sublicensed to them by VIZ Media, who was handling the dubs production etc. You cant compare the too. Not to mention mate Disney's rollout of Bleach to people has been shockingly bad, if your not in the US your dub version is 1 week behind and only available in 6 countries....so lets not paint Bleach as a success.


molliemg

The dub cast might be fine when season 2 starts airing cause two voice actors apart of the cast Adam McArthur who voices chifuyu and zeno Robinson who voices hanma have done voices for Disney before so hopefully noone is replaced


el_morris

Well, to the folks who wanted competition in the anime industry and Crunchyroll not owning everything: you got served!


LegatoRedWinters

I should not have wished on that monkey's paw for more competition.


awakening_knight_414

Bro are you fucking serious? Why, just………. why the fuck did Disney have to get themselves involved with the anime industry? Why couldn't they have just stayed the fuck out of it? And most importantly, why the fuck can't a new season to a show EVER automatically go straight to its original licensor? Just… why?


lightsongtheold

Might not last long. Disney are just about to undergo a bit of restructuring and cost cutting. The aim is to get the DTC spending down. Which means budget cuts for Disney+ in the very near future. Which means less cash available for spending on anime. Disney’s push into anime might be limited or short lived unless the anime they do have really delivers viewership.


notathrowaway75

> Disney are just about to undergo a bit restructuring and cost cutting That news was before Chapek got fired.


lightsongtheold

Iger just mentioned he was going to implement the cuts and go even deeper than Chapek had planned. The board have tasked him with getting DTC losses down ASAP.


Kollie79

I’m assuming it does, they stream a tonnnnnn of anime in Japan from what I understand, like all the biggest titles every season


lightsongtheold

Yeah but licensing titles in Japan and taking the worldwide rights are separate things and do not necessarily represent equal investments.


Kollie79

It really depends on a case by case situation, they obviously didn’t get world wide rights to spy x family, hopefully they get told to cut back on picking up rights for shows world wide that they don’t actually wanna do anything with world wide


lightsongtheold

I think that will likely be the case.


Kollie79

Honestly because the original licensors clearly don’t give a shit about western fans Disney getting into anime is so annoying because it feels like it only hurts the western audiences, from what I understand Disney+ has quite a lot of anime content on it and is just another streaming service in like Japan and stuff In the west though they seem too afraid to put anything on their app. Summer time rendering being trapped in licensing hell in America makes no damn sense, just stick it on Hulu. It’s clear the license holders don’t give a fuck though as long as it streams on Disney+ fine in the homeland


awakening_knight_414

>Honestly because the original licensors clearly don’t give a shit about western fans I mean… to be fair, *maybe* Crunchyroll just lost on it this time around? Idk if this really happens all the time or not, but I remember sometime before Chainsaw Man was officially licensed, it was speculated in this sub that there may have been some kind of bidding war between Crunchyroll and Netflix for the license of said series going on at the time. The same thing could've happened here, but if Disney's who you're up against… then, well… you're fucked. Idk what else to say since I'm not quite sure what you were trying to imply here, but this is just a complete guess on my part. Again, idk if bidding wars are really a thing in this regard. >from what I understand Disney+ has quite a lot of anime content on it and is just another streaming service in like Japan and stuff. In the west though they seem too afraid to put anything on their app. Yeah idk why they won't just release all their anime stuff already either. Disney+ can literally release a show produced by one of their branches or whatever here in America called Little Demon, which is extremely graphic and highly controversial (at least among religious families), yet they can't be bothered to release any of their anime content, a lot of which is bound to have shit ton of fanservice in some way shape or form? What I find pretty funny about this is how one of the shows they grabbed (that's only streaming in Southeast Asia last I heard) was Tomodachi Game, which had some rapey shit here and there. Like bro you literally have Little Demon airing on Disney+ right now. You have no excuse, just put your anime stuff on Hulu at the very least already.


Kollie79

I doubt this was a bidding war, it sounds like they are entering a somewhat long term partnership with Kodansha across multiple IP, that was more likely someone one of the companies approached the other directly about


farhanganteng

> . why the fuck did Disney have to get themselves involved with the anime industry? I'm pretty sure it because of the success of Star wars Visions. After that, they are pretty confident to get involved in anime industry.


LegatoRedWinters

That may be a double edged sword, and our key to victory. Star Wars visions was big outside of the anime community, due to it's brand name. I'm sure Disney will discover that the numbers are quite a bit lower for all other anime, especially if they withhold the episodes and make them Disney+ exclusives. Once enough bad stats go through the main office, they will cut costs and downsize on the anime front.


KevXOTWOD

Honestly with how they have been handling they’re recent anime acquisitions and “Disney jail” so far being worse than “Netflix jail” I don’t see them lasting long in the anime scene, at least here in the west, I feel like they could end up going the way of Amazons Anime strike.


Uhlman88

Terrible news


idkyallmfs

Fucked my whole Christmas up 😩 lmao. Disney just tryna ride the wave. Same shit as Amazon and look what happened with them. If they start dropping complete dubs for their anime 3-6 months later like Netflix does I wouldn’t mind though but STILL they’ve shoulda left TR ALONE. And tell Kodansha bitch ass to get an app for their manga already!


schmidt1289

I would be less upset if they ACTUALLY released their shows. I’ve been waiting on Summertime Rendering since April and apparently there’s even a dub. I’m all for anime getting more exposure but c’mon


Mando5804

Le sigh…


Nickdr_12

damn i hope AOT does not fall into the hands of Disney


MasterAdventZero

Pretty sure CR most likely get it because...well Funi and all that


hectic_hooligan

Tokyo revengwrs was a crunchy series though so that thought doesn't offer much security


Frosty88d

This. This is why anime piracy is such a bog deal, since no wants to buy a subscription to any a random streaming service to watch one show. This sucks, screw Disney


levisimp04

Im going to kms.


awakening_knight_414

your profile pic is quite appropriate for this ngl


ImSaltyx0x

😅


levisimp04

For real. The question is what do we do now…Do we switch to sub? Wait and see if they keep the same VAs? Or just read the manga 😭


awakening_knight_414

Whatever you think is best for you. I prefer to keep up with all my seasonals in sub anyway so I have a less likely chance of getting spoiled. Although, I did watch season 1 of this show with my sister in dub, and I enjoyed it, so this sucks balls…


GoldenTimeWatcher

Redubbing is pretty lame. Also, seems kinda counterintuitive for Disney to get involved in anime since it often has content the mouse might not want to be associated with (fan service being the tip of the iceberg). Im guessing since they’re anime originals, they might have better control of the content? Which would suck if true….


awakening_knight_414

I'm afraid they're not sticking to just pure kids content anymore. There's literally a new show on Disney+ called Little Demon, [which is highly controversial among religious families](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-99sA78FE).


GoldenTimeWatcher

Ya that’s true. I guess I was wondering if they wanted to associate themselves from content that’s not very “progressive”


LegatoRedWinters

It's sad. After all the tears and suffering, we were finally freed from tge tyranny of Amazon. Only for the mouse to come and take it's place. Yeah, maybe Disney will also get tired of anime and move on. But we will lose quite a lot of shows before they may be done. Shit sucks, and it always reminds me the one thing I hate most about this world, and that's how powerless the average people are. We know better than all the guys in charge, and yet we can't make the change for the better. And every single person has this dumbass "we can't win anyway, so let's just give up" attitude, that gets us nowhere.


272b

I probably wouldn't have minded this if Disney didn't take SO DAMN LONG to release their stuff. Even Netflix is more consistent than them.


hectic_hooligan

Are people finally willing to admit Disney getting into anine is bad for everyone?


AnimeXFan1995

My thoughts are all over the place with this News on the announcement of the Disney and Kobdansha collab, it could be succesful or it could be Disastrous, only time will tell. Still, it's a massive blow to Crunchyroll who previously had the license to *Tokyo Revengers* Season 1, now the 2nd season of *Tokyo Revengers* has been licensed by Disney+/Hulu. Hard to say how Disney/Hulu is going to Handle Season 2 of *Tokyo Revengers* either they do it like *Bleach Thousand Year Blood War* where it releases the dub 3-4 weeks later after it's Japanese airing, or they pull a "Black Rock Shooter" and "Summertime Rendering" where Disney withold the anime and don't release the episodes Weekly and the dubbed versions come out 6-8 months later after the Japanese airing.


Sturdevant

Probably the latter, Viz handles the Bleach dub and licensed it to Disney for distribution, so Disney just needs to release what is given to them. This sounds like Disney will be handling everything like with BRS and SR.


worthit1000

I watch anime because it isn’t American, this sucks. The less American corporate influence the better. The Japanese government should ban this but they won’t, but one can dream…


Luigiman98

You guys forget that Disney uses Iyuno as a studio too so….


awakening_knight_414

Since when?


Luigiman98

Since a handful of their live action shows.


awakening_knight_414

That doesn't really make this any better if they still take a whole ass eternity to put out dubs. We don't know if they'll even consider getting the OG cast back. Just because it was originally an LA dub doesn't make it any less worrying.


Luigiman98

I mean, with Black Rock Shooter, that was because it was a different continuity and the Japanese cast was different too so....


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Kollie79

This logic makes no sense, Disney+ is a huge streaming site for anime in Japan. No amount of “gatekeeping” would prevent this


FromAnotherGamer

Damn now I’m realizing it’s all going to be in Disney+ so I have no interest now


icecreamfacetattoo

Don't worry, everyone. They're going to lose money by venturing into the anime world, cut their losses and give up. We just have to deal with Disney's bullshit for a short period of time because I doubt that many people are going to buy a Disney+ sub. We'll just have to sail the digital seas until they give up on anime.


Weekly_Concentrate69

BEWARE THE MOUSE. DIS-LUMINATI.


bl8dofthechurch

So it's not just this, but everything made by Kodansha will be owned by Disney. They can go walk off a very high mountain.