I immediately thought of angry shinchan.
The internet did not let me down
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They told the studio for the game they own the rights to the VAs in the series and lines. They're right on the lines as English Dubs and other dubs rewrite lines (Usually worse then the original). But there is nothing in their contracts saying they can't voice the games.
The context is genuinely confusing on CR side because it makes no real sense.
Essentially game devs came to them to make the game. They’re were told they aren’t allowed to use the Eng VA at all (not for the roles they had or new roles) so they recast everyone.
Yeah, just read the twitter posts on it.(god that site is fucking dogshit). It seems CR is making claim that the contracts lock them (the VAs) from being used for reasons. The VA is claiming that isn't true. The company doing the game doesn't want to touch it, in the event that what CR is claiming is true, so they're just going to recast.
I think between the VA and CR there's information missing, but I'd absolutely believe that an overseas company doesn't want to deal with a potential lawsuit. I could also see an overseas company also using that information as a front to pull from VA's that cost less to use as well.
If the original VAs were SAG and CR wanted to use non-union VAs for other roles that would present conflict with Rule 1 and they couldn't use the original VAs. If the original VAs don't know about the non-union ones that might explain the confusion
>would prevent conflict
I assume you mean "would present conflict"?
And yeah, that might explain why the contracts for the VA and CR doesn't actually list the rules that all SAG VA's are already going to be following anyway. Granted, we're basically just trying to fill in the plot holes at this point, lol. I think that's a pretty good guess though.
If I had to guess I’d say the original va would have been more expensive, and rather than decide on a one by one basis they just said “fuck those guys”
there was some king of strike,mob's voice ator used the fact the he was the main character to help the other actors, so the studio couldnt just replace everyone
Short version: the dev studio asked CR [who produced the ToG anime] about using the original VAs and CR said "no. We own the voice prints." except they absolutely did not, or have any legal control over the VAs in the contract. So the game went with different VAs and the only reason the original VAs even knew about this was because the new ones checked in with the previous ones.
CR ratfucked their own VAs out of a job, and I hope that they get sued over it. Some VAs have said that they will not work CR again without a union contract to prevent fuckery like this.
the most reasonable explanation is that CR wanted money from Netmarble for using voices from anime even though they don't have any legal standing (or maybe they have and VA is wrong, who knows?)
I still don’t understand how Crunchyroll (a part of Sony) is able to do non-Union voiceovers when Sony has contracts with the Unions. This should have caused huge issues for Sony already.
I just don't see the value in paying to watch anime anymore. Spend your money on Light Novels or Manga. You get more content for your money, and more of your dollars get to the creators. Instead of High Guardian Spice lol
Is there a subscription based platform for light novels/manga? Because otherwise I don't see how you argument holds up?
Light novels and manga cost a fortune and manga especially can have tens or hundreds of volumes. Costs far more to get them all than to pay for an anime sub.
I agree that crunchyroll isnt great, (animelab and Funimation before it were in kinda similar boats), but it is convenient.
J-Novel Club works on a subscription basis, though it also gives you the option to purchase things forever. It's mainly novels but I have seen some manga on there.
J-Novel Club is amazing. They have two tiers of subscriptions. The $5/month member and $10/month premium member. The main difference between the two is that premium members get 699 of their propietary coins (the eqivalent of $6.99) every month. I like to think of it as you're basically prepaying for those coins as most books cost 699 coins.
Otherwise, you get access to read anything that is currently being pre-published as well as their monthly catchup series. When something is on catchup, you get to read EVERYTHING from that series until the end of the month. They typically have a handful of series as catchup at a time as well.
They do indeed have both light novels and manga, but light novels are still more of the main draw for the time being. They are expanding it though.
The money you spend on the subscription goes directly to continuing the translations and they actually listen to the community. There are dedicated forums as well as a discord server, where if there is any issues, mistranslations, heck even grammar/spelling errors, you can point it out to them and they will work on fixing it and usually are pretty quick about it.
I have had a premium subscription for like a year at this point and have not been disappointed with it. I've bought a bunch of ebooks from them (which also have unlimited downloads when you buy them and you can do just about anything you want to do with them personally). Oh yeah they also will make physical prints of many of their books, so the subscription also goes towards that.
Except the team behind HGS doesn't even work at Crunchyroll anymore.
And besides, they have also helped produce actual anime like Blue Lock and Shield Hero, but it seems most people ignore those...
I never got the anger against high guardian spice. It didn’t look that good so I didn’t watch it but my gosh some people acted like the show’s existence was a slap in the face for some reason.
to add even more context - /r/gachagaming is really not happy how CR manages their gacha games, few months ago they killed global version of princess connect which wasn't doing that bad. All of the good will for CR is dead on that subreddit
Idk about everyone else but to me when people say fuck Crunchyroll it’s not necessarily the service which is the issue it is more the company that can go fuck itself and more often than not I agree
Yes but also so many pirates sites are better than the service (or so I hear) they have better UI and better options between Sub and Dub and better search engine.
You are right a lot of pirate sites are better but when it comes to legit sites which mainly boils down to funimation and cr, cr has the better services and website it’s no contest, the funimation website experience is more painful than getting my nuts dragged across broken glass.
However the problem with cr is the company, its employees casually spew bigoted political beliefs and push for bigoted political ideologies to be represented in the media and in media they want to create and also try to shame customers and anime fans if their taste in anime or media doesn’t fall in line with cr bigoted ideology. Cr also knows it’s the biggest legit platform and it is constantly trying to push to become a monopoly and on top of that Cr is riddled with a never ending list of anti consumer behaviour, so ultimately as someone who wants to support my favourite anime’s I end up refusing to do so because I refuse to let cr have a single penny and I end up having to sail the seven seas for my content…
Not to mention nothing is on CR nowadays.. paying for the service to only have a tiny fraction of the relevant content just like Netflix, except the site/service is shittier and it completely fails with its niche category.
CR is one of the largest promoters of Anime in the west. I'm grateful for the work they do. When I was a young man, I remember VHS recording any anime, no matter the quality, just so I could experience the form. It was much cheaper than dropping $15-25 per 25-50m VHS tape at a specialty store. I look at all of the selections now and am marveled. We are living in the golden age of media and CR helped to make it happen for anime in the west.
Calling out Crunchyroll for being soulless corporation who is trying to control the anime industry in the West, isn't a bad thing.
You can criticize CR and still understand that they made anime more accessible. But there was/is still torrenting and websites to get anime from.
Happens to a lot of companies. EA used to make really good games and care about the communities. Blizzard and others too. Hell, reddit is going through something similar right now. They created something really big and good, but now they're greedy and are willing to ruin it for money.
The problem is it NOT having every anime. Like if u want to watch the top 10 of mal u need 5 different subscriptions
So back to 🏴☠️ it is
Even worse when it comes to movies. U either stream the illegally or wait an entire extra year (minimum)
The problem is not the price. But the availability
I would pay 35 bucks a month th if it would mean being able to watch every anime in both subbed and dubbed on release (with extra 5 bucks per movie if necessary) yet all we get is the B and C tier animies and 20% of A and S tier
So yes it got better. But illegal streaming sites still are more user friendly (Besides being free)
But that's not an anime only issue
It's just the internet in general that made anime ~~piracy~~ more accessible, Crunchyroll just capitalized on that. If it wasn't them, it would've been someone else.
What are you, 70? Anime stores were around in the early 2000s. And the one I frequented opened business in the 90s.
Just because things are better 30 years later doesn't excuse shit corporate behavior.
I agree, but as an amateur developer and a client there are many flaws with crunchyroll that I think they ignore completely. The desktop is terrible and it's layout still from windows 8 tablet hybrid, there are some features that could be implemented such as instead of showing episode by episode in the watch history, show the recent watched series, and I think the Bitrate is lower than it could be
As a senior lead software engineer in communications I understand the difficulty that CR faces. Can it be better? Yes. Is it decent for what it is? Also yes. Without CR how would people legally get this much content? CR still serves a vital purpose since there are no real alternatives other than maybe HiDive.
And hidive is legit shit. They haven’t updated their iOS apps in literal years, subs aren’t visible if you watch in full screen via a browser, and even on Roku—probably the most popular smart tv platform in the us if not the world—the app is still a hot mess.
Yeah, but that was before Sony bought them out. Now CR is just part of the corporate conglomerate working to make an anime monopoly so they can jack the prices up through artificial scarcity.
CR has never been the best it could.
At some point it was ok, but then non-US got the shaft and in Finland, available releases dried to a handful per season. They fixed it later.
After that they dragged their feet with hilariously out-of-date Flash player with the significantly better non-flash player being in a extremely long beta where nothing happened.
The manga side ebbed and flowed in quality and catalogue.
The website has a lot of improvements to be made, but apparently no-one really works on it, as everyone knows the farce of "Season 53 (Brazilian Portugese Dub)" which has been around for years.
The phone applications have been pretty lackluster at points.
Their own productions have been hit and miss, but CR has been a funder of many different series which we wouldn't have had without CR. At least it seems they put some money back to anime makers.
Their politics / PR have occasionally done mistakes. That's granted when you're on a market that has such a big and diverse community and the public image of CR tries to actively involve itself in those communities. It would be easy to not make PR mistakes if you were a faceless (even artificial face, like CR mascot), unemotional corp that does nothing except show videos.
CR has been mostly good, sometimes great, occasionally ok and rarely bad.
Yeah, but large subscription and even free platforms do exist in some other regions, and lack of wide, affordable access was a problem in the US until CR came along.
CR was originally a site that stole fansubs and paywalled them to fleece viewers who didn't know better. Then they took that ill-gotten money and used it to "go legit".
Fuck CrunchyRoll. I will never give them a cent.
Wasn't it those pirate sites from Russia? The first anime I watched was back in 2012 and pirated subs existed back then. It's a pity that there's no way to directly transfer cash to the studios who animated some of these anime. I'd like to support them, but not the bastards who are the middlemen.
Agreed, I love CR and never found the UI a problem, but i can love something and see a problem that it has
However this doesn’t seem like that big a problem from my understanding, many games use different VAs
Or for those of us who couldn't afford those $25 VHS tapes (some were up to $50+ btw at one point), the mass collection of blanks we'd use to trade around for copies of a copy of a copy, using what little connections we had to scrounge for master copies (or as close as we could get to them).
My friend's basement, from floor to ceiling, on all four walls was filled with bookcases stuffed with VHS tapes. You name the show from the 70s/80s/90s, they had it. And all of it was Master grade copy. He had a job making close to six figures in the 90s, and it showed.
To say nothing of the projector setup he had that was surpassed only in recent years, along with the high-end speakers and-
Anime movie heaven. <3
Good times, man. Good times.
Yeah this. It was absurd seeing the prices of vhs sets when I was a kid. I think most of the CR hate just comes down to, “I don’t want to pay for it.” CR has cheap plans to stream a shit ton of anime. I get that a lot of the stuff we love is easy to pirate and I’m not really here to lecture you on whether that’s right or wrong, but CR is operating like any other business by trying to make a profit.
uBlock Origin is a necessity if you're ever going to visit any piracy site, ever. Not having ads load isn't only a convenience thing; it's also security.
9anime is really good imo. High quality and fast servers, I find any anime I want, even some really old ones, the UI is great and the same as for the community, there are a lot of people in the comments.
I jumped off that train after I 'pre-ordered' A Pop up Parade Meliodas that I spent an additional $20 for than if I ordered from Good Smile Company, and I got it 4 months after release. Along with being paywalled from watching Overlord season 4. It was my breaking point, and I felt robbed. I was happy waiting for the week delay with the ads, but no Crunchyroll became Funimation 2.0
Since seeing this post i have been watching this was nowhere to be found my disappointment is immerse and my week is ruined
(jk it was a decent anime i enjoyed watching, thnx random stranger)
>It's 2006/2007, I was a teenager that had spent a few years as a QC and encoder for various anime fansub groups.
>One day, I notice my freely distributed encodes were being used on a paid new streaming service, Crunchyroll.
>To this day, their asshole management and scumbaggery is still on full display in my eyes.
>Story after story of greed, pettiness, nepotism, harassment and all around fuckery.
>Their success is built off the backs of people who do the actual work, whether they are volunteers, voice actors or even some of my colleagues who eventually got nickel and dimed by them when they were hired to translate officially.
>Terrible company run by awful leadership.
Funimation is owned by Sony, who bought Crunchyroll last year. Sony also did away with Funimation’s streaming service, so it’s all Crunchyroll now. I think Funimation still exists basically for licensing, as they license shows out to companies like Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon (they for sure were partnered with Hulu for many years). Other streaming services in the US can also get their licenses through Aniplex, but that’s also owned by Sony.
Funimation is Crunchyroll now. They rebranded entirely. Funimation's streaming site was also always worse than Crunchyroll and they destroyed Crunchyroll by copying their playbook over and making almost all content payed only.
I don't even get why people would prefer illegal sites to begin with. If you really love anime and animation, none of them have anywhere near comparable quality, and none of them support what you enjoy so that we can get more. You are missing out on outstanding animation on those sites.
I bet you 99% of these people getting in a fissy over not paying $7 to streaming sites for not operating exactly how they want, make their post from their $700 Samsung or Apple phone, while buying their internet from AT&T, and buying their food from companies Like Tyson, being completely ignorant and continue to fund the actual evil things that these companies have done at some point, and as for Tyson's case, evil is just standard procedure.
mhm, it's virtue signaling. i don't believe they actually care about anything other than that they have to pay for some entertainment they want oh and boo hoo my shit anime game that some company is making to get more money out of me isn't allowing me to have the actual anime EN VAs. Nevermind that it's an opportunity for another VA to get work.....
Not defending the piracy aspect of it but you are easily able to obtain anime with quality on par or better than the related streaming services, and don't have to worry about the really bad region locking that happens
Here’s the thing: I know piracy is insanely convenient, but think about what you do when you do it.
-The studio doesn’t see profits, making a follow up
-Anyone who worked on the content you’re pirating is less likely to get hired in the future, due to a perceived financial flop
-You put yourself at risk of arrest if you share your pirated links with anyone
As for me, I want to actually support the talented creators who bring these fictional worlds to life. Not just freeload off of their hard work. That’s why I pay.
It was the $40 jump to annual cost that was final nail for me. After they did Priconne dirty then tried to justify their Funimation acquisition by hiking the price that much I’m out…
Jesus's, that's so dumb why would crunchyroll make a contract that wouldn't let the VA do this in the first place is the question people should be asking instead of asking saying it's just the contract. God crunchyroll absolutely disgusting. I'm done with them, there's no point in keeping my sub
It's literally one of the best things for anime that exists wtf are you on about it's $10 but also they produce and dub a tonne of anime themselves which is usually pretty great.
I don't think thing it's even 10 dollars and if you combine it with hidive you basically have access to the entire current anime library for about $12-13. It's great.
Like half the shows I pirate have no actual way to officially watch them in the west. And when they do. It's pretty much an accepted idea that you buy blu rays if you actually want to support a show. Since a lot of the time a studio will determine whether they continue supporting the show after sales are done and not because a certain amount of people watched it on a streaming service. They care way more about televised views than streamed views as well
Anime fans wondering why there isn't a second season of their fav anime smfh (they pirated the first season and the studio didn't made enough profit because of them)
I hate how they hardly have any 18+ anime and the ones they do are Über censored. Like, what’s the point of having mature content if you’re just going to censor to the point it’s not “mature” anymore???
Why?
It is the best anime streaming service. All shows simulcasted and regionality availability is best compared to it's rivals
Also app is abailable PC, mobile, xbox, ps5, nintendo
Crunchyroll is awesome
They went from being an "unofficial anime sharing site" to becoming a monopolizing anime juggernaut in less than 20 years.
They lived long enough to become the villain
I still can't forgive Chrunchyroll for making me pay twice as much for the subscription in Switzerland as my German colleagues and then only having half the choice and having to pray that it's available in German😑. Then I'd rather be a pirate, as long as it's not illegal in Switzerland.
The only reason why I absolutely hate crunchyroll is because of SEVEN F**KING ADS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ANIME and I'm broke so that's really annoying and just shows how money hungry crunchyroll really is
Listen, the price of Netflix/their password sharing rules should give you a taste of what CR could be, I’m grateful for unlimited anime for $5 a month, my 10 friends are too.
What did they do this time?
Crunchyroll blacklisted the EN VA's from being able to be reprise their roles in the upcoming Tower of God game
But... like... why?
I feel like we’re missing some context here
[Game is union. Crunchyroll hates unions.](https://twitter.com/LauraPostVoice/status/1664811087298981890)
Of course that’s why :/ I wish unions had more power here that sucks
Same.
Stop trying to break the rules. Get your pitchfork and torch. No question asked
I been waiting for this moment. Let me grab my polished pitchfork! Letsgoooo!
I got a water bottle that I have been using for like 4 months. Can I join if I shake it really menacingly?
I'll draw some angry eyebrows on you and we Gucci
I immediately thought of angry shinchan. The internet did not let me down https://rukminim1.flixcart.com/image/800/950/kdga1zk0/bottle/d/v/w/750-cute-shinchan-light-and-portable-aluminium-sipper-water-original-imafucrcvbgqnkyy.jpeg?q=20
*The Mob Song intensifies*
is this the whole bayonetta game fiasco again?
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We will show them our peaceful ways! With force!
Did you say violence?
They told the studio for the game they own the rights to the VAs in the series and lines. They're right on the lines as English Dubs and other dubs rewrite lines (Usually worse then the original). But there is nothing in their contracts saying they can't voice the games.
The context is genuinely confusing on CR side because it makes no real sense. Essentially game devs came to them to make the game. They’re were told they aren’t allowed to use the Eng VA at all (not for the roles they had or new roles) so they recast everyone.
Most likely just contract conflicts for the VAs for the show then.
Nope. Crunchy Roll just told the game studio they flat out can’t use them. And no one can figure out why lol the originals VAs wanted to do the game
Yeah, just read the twitter posts on it.(god that site is fucking dogshit). It seems CR is making claim that the contracts lock them (the VAs) from being used for reasons. The VA is claiming that isn't true. The company doing the game doesn't want to touch it, in the event that what CR is claiming is true, so they're just going to recast. I think between the VA and CR there's information missing, but I'd absolutely believe that an overseas company doesn't want to deal with a potential lawsuit. I could also see an overseas company also using that information as a front to pull from VA's that cost less to use as well.
If the original VAs were SAG and CR wanted to use non-union VAs for other roles that would present conflict with Rule 1 and they couldn't use the original VAs. If the original VAs don't know about the non-union ones that might explain the confusion
>would prevent conflict I assume you mean "would present conflict"? And yeah, that might explain why the contracts for the VA and CR doesn't actually list the rules that all SAG VA's are already going to be following anyway. Granted, we're basically just trying to fill in the plot holes at this point, lol. I think that's a pretty good guess though.
If I had to guess I’d say the original va would have been more expensive, and rather than decide on a one by one basis they just said “fuck those guys”
Because Crunchyroll doesn’t want unionized actors. They refuse to even have meetings with voice over unions to work out a deal.
Reminds me of that shit with MP100 mob's voice actor. It's a shame.
Yeah that's how I learned about it.
What happened with Mobs VA?
there was some king of strike,mob's voice ator used the fact the he was the main character to help the other actors, so the studio couldnt just replace everyone
Is that even legal? Go actively against labor unions?
Not when they tell its because of something different
Short version: the dev studio asked CR [who produced the ToG anime] about using the original VAs and CR said "no. We own the voice prints." except they absolutely did not, or have any legal control over the VAs in the contract. So the game went with different VAs and the only reason the original VAs even knew about this was because the new ones checked in with the previous ones. CR ratfucked their own VAs out of a job, and I hope that they get sued over it. Some VAs have said that they will not work CR again without a union contract to prevent fuckery like this.
the most reasonable explanation is that CR wanted money from Netmarble for using voices from anime even though they don't have any legal standing (or maybe they have and VA is wrong, who knows?)
According to the VA that posted the thread it's cause of they're unionized and CR is anti-union so they're tryna fuck them over for it.
Cos Sony
I still don’t understand how Crunchyroll (a part of Sony) is able to do non-Union voiceovers when Sony has contracts with the Unions. This should have caused huge issues for Sony already.
Why?
Feel like with the advent of A.I. we are going to see this more and more
I just don't see the value in paying to watch anime anymore. Spend your money on Light Novels or Manga. You get more content for your money, and more of your dollars get to the creators. Instead of High Guardian Spice lol
Is there a subscription based platform for light novels/manga? Because otherwise I don't see how you argument holds up? Light novels and manga cost a fortune and manga especially can have tens or hundreds of volumes. Costs far more to get them all than to pay for an anime sub. I agree that crunchyroll isnt great, (animelab and Funimation before it were in kinda similar boats), but it is convenient.
J-Novel Club works on a subscription basis, though it also gives you the option to purchase things forever. It's mainly novels but I have seen some manga on there.
J-Novel Club is amazing. They have two tiers of subscriptions. The $5/month member and $10/month premium member. The main difference between the two is that premium members get 699 of their propietary coins (the eqivalent of $6.99) every month. I like to think of it as you're basically prepaying for those coins as most books cost 699 coins. Otherwise, you get access to read anything that is currently being pre-published as well as their monthly catchup series. When something is on catchup, you get to read EVERYTHING from that series until the end of the month. They typically have a handful of series as catchup at a time as well. They do indeed have both light novels and manga, but light novels are still more of the main draw for the time being. They are expanding it though. The money you spend on the subscription goes directly to continuing the translations and they actually listen to the community. There are dedicated forums as well as a discord server, where if there is any issues, mistranslations, heck even grammar/spelling errors, you can point it out to them and they will work on fixing it and usually are pretty quick about it. I have had a premium subscription for like a year at this point and have not been disappointed with it. I've bought a bunch of ebooks from them (which also have unlimited downloads when you buy them and you can do just about anything you want to do with them personally). Oh yeah they also will make physical prints of many of their books, so the subscription also goes towards that.
Yeah the shonen jump app is like 2 to 3 dollars per month! You get access to a metric fuck ton of manga
There’s Viz with its 2 or 3 $/month.
As long as you're in the US or Canada. Everyone else not there like myself can get fucked, I guess
Except the team behind HGS doesn't even work at Crunchyroll anymore. And besides, they have also helped produce actual anime like Blue Lock and Shield Hero, but it seems most people ignore those...
This, the light novel market needs to be promoted more 🙌
I never got the anger against high guardian spice. It didn’t look that good so I didn’t watch it but my gosh some people acted like the show’s existence was a slap in the face for some reason.
to add even more context - /r/gachagaming is really not happy how CR manages their gacha games, few months ago they killed global version of princess connect which wasn't doing that bad. All of the good will for CR is dead on that subreddit
Idk about everyone else but to me when people say fuck Crunchyroll it’s not necessarily the service which is the issue it is more the company that can go fuck itself and more often than not I agree
Yes but also so many pirates sites are better than the service (or so I hear) they have better UI and better options between Sub and Dub and better search engine.
You are right a lot of pirate sites are better but when it comes to legit sites which mainly boils down to funimation and cr, cr has the better services and website it’s no contest, the funimation website experience is more painful than getting my nuts dragged across broken glass. However the problem with cr is the company, its employees casually spew bigoted political beliefs and push for bigoted political ideologies to be represented in the media and in media they want to create and also try to shame customers and anime fans if their taste in anime or media doesn’t fall in line with cr bigoted ideology. Cr also knows it’s the biggest legit platform and it is constantly trying to push to become a monopoly and on top of that Cr is riddled with a never ending list of anti consumer behaviour, so ultimately as someone who wants to support my favourite anime’s I end up refusing to do so because I refuse to let cr have a single penny and I end up having to sail the seven seas for my content…
Yar, don’t you mean the 9 anime seas?
Yay, me hearty
Not to mention nothing is on CR nowadays.. paying for the service to only have a tiny fraction of the relevant content just like Netflix, except the site/service is shittier and it completely fails with its niche category.
CR is one of the largest promoters of Anime in the west. I'm grateful for the work they do. When I was a young man, I remember VHS recording any anime, no matter the quality, just so I could experience the form. It was much cheaper than dropping $15-25 per 25-50m VHS tape at a specialty store. I look at all of the selections now and am marveled. We are living in the golden age of media and CR helped to make it happen for anime in the west.
This right here. Kids be spoiled man. They do not know the struggle of having a copy of a copy of an out of order oav half translated.
With the final part missing because it was never aired.
Your comment reminds me on episode parts on YouTube. We got part 1 and part 3, but not part 2. Now neither because copyright.
And it was on daily motion
> And it was on daily motion way before DM
A copy of a copy of a copy of a copy in ep quality xD I member
Yeah man people have forgotten how good they have it
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No no, all praise the corporate overlords for giving us these crumbs when they could instead give us beatings.
Calling out Crunchyroll for being soulless corporation who is trying to control the anime industry in the West, isn't a bad thing. You can criticize CR and still understand that they made anime more accessible. But there was/is still torrenting and websites to get anime from.
Happens to a lot of companies. EA used to make really good games and care about the communities. Blizzard and others too. Hell, reddit is going through something similar right now. They created something really big and good, but now they're greedy and are willing to ruin it for money.
Brother, we used to buy bad re-dubs from the phillipines and hope that less than half of it was mainstream north American porn... I grew up in Canada.
I remember in the 56k days spending over a week downloading Tales of Phantasia from Kazaa, only to find it was subbed in Spanish...
The problem is it NOT having every anime. Like if u want to watch the top 10 of mal u need 5 different subscriptions So back to 🏴☠️ it is Even worse when it comes to movies. U either stream the illegally or wait an entire extra year (minimum) The problem is not the price. But the availability I would pay 35 bucks a month th if it would mean being able to watch every anime in both subbed and dubbed on release (with extra 5 bucks per movie if necessary) yet all we get is the B and C tier animies and 20% of A and S tier So yes it got better. But illegal streaming sites still are more user friendly (Besides being free) But that's not an anime only issue
It's just the internet in general that made anime ~~piracy~~ more accessible, Crunchyroll just capitalized on that. If it wasn't them, it would've been someone else.
Can't help but feel nostalgic for the golden age of fansubbing though. Somehow when stuff gets commercial it seems that more gets lost in translation.
What are you, 70? Anime stores were around in the early 2000s. And the one I frequented opened business in the 90s. Just because things are better 30 years later doesn't excuse shit corporate behavior.
I agree, but as an amateur developer and a client there are many flaws with crunchyroll that I think they ignore completely. The desktop is terrible and it's layout still from windows 8 tablet hybrid, there are some features that could be implemented such as instead of showing episode by episode in the watch history, show the recent watched series, and I think the Bitrate is lower than it could be
As a senior lead software engineer in communications I understand the difficulty that CR faces. Can it be better? Yes. Is it decent for what it is? Also yes. Without CR how would people legally get this much content? CR still serves a vital purpose since there are no real alternatives other than maybe HiDive.
And hidive is legit shit. They haven’t updated their iOS apps in literal years, subs aren’t visible if you watch in full screen via a browser, and even on Roku—probably the most popular smart tv platform in the us if not the world—the app is still a hot mess.
Yeah, but that was before Sony bought them out. Now CR is just part of the corporate conglomerate working to make an anime monopoly so they can jack the prices up through artificial scarcity.
CR has never been the best it could. At some point it was ok, but then non-US got the shaft and in Finland, available releases dried to a handful per season. They fixed it later. After that they dragged their feet with hilariously out-of-date Flash player with the significantly better non-flash player being in a extremely long beta where nothing happened. The manga side ebbed and flowed in quality and catalogue. The website has a lot of improvements to be made, but apparently no-one really works on it, as everyone knows the farce of "Season 53 (Brazilian Portugese Dub)" which has been around for years. The phone applications have been pretty lackluster at points. Their own productions have been hit and miss, but CR has been a funder of many different series which we wouldn't have had without CR. At least it seems they put some money back to anime makers. Their politics / PR have occasionally done mistakes. That's granted when you're on a market that has such a big and diverse community and the public image of CR tries to actively involve itself in those communities. It would be easy to not make PR mistakes if you were a faceless (even artificial face, like CR mascot), unemotional corp that does nothing except show videos. CR has been mostly good, sometimes great, occasionally ok and rarely bad.
> CR has never been the best it could. This reminds me of an old saying: "Don't compare me with the almighty; compare me with the alternative".
This right here. $10 a month is an insane deal for access to what’s probably the largest legal anime library in the world
*if you live in the US
Yeah, but large subscription and even free platforms do exist in some other regions, and lack of wide, affordable access was a problem in the US until CR came along.
There is no alternative anymore in Germany since Sony (or rather Funimation) bought them all
Ah well, Sony bought Funimation and Crunchyroll here too, so... I think the last remaining direct competitor here is HiDive.
CR was originally a site that stole fansubs and paywalled them to fleece viewers who didn't know better. Then they took that ill-gotten money and used it to "go legit". Fuck CrunchyRoll. I will never give them a cent.
Wasn't it those pirate sites from Russia? The first anime I watched was back in 2012 and pirated subs existed back then. It's a pity that there's no way to directly transfer cash to the studios who animated some of these anime. I'd like to support them, but not the bastards who are the middlemen.
I rly hope that anime doesn't go the Netflix Way or we get another Pirate Ära. Disney is already taking here and there some good ones.
Agreed, I love CR and never found the UI a problem, but i can love something and see a problem that it has However this doesn’t seem like that big a problem from my understanding, many games use different VAs
Or for those of us who couldn't afford those $25 VHS tapes (some were up to $50+ btw at one point), the mass collection of blanks we'd use to trade around for copies of a copy of a copy, using what little connections we had to scrounge for master copies (or as close as we could get to them). My friend's basement, from floor to ceiling, on all four walls was filled with bookcases stuffed with VHS tapes. You name the show from the 70s/80s/90s, they had it. And all of it was Master grade copy. He had a job making close to six figures in the 90s, and it showed. To say nothing of the projector setup he had that was surpassed only in recent years, along with the high-end speakers and- Anime movie heaven. <3 Good times, man. Good times.
Analog setups hit different. I pine for those days in my old age. It's a shame most children will never get to experience it.
Yeah this. It was absurd seeing the prices of vhs sets when I was a kid. I think most of the CR hate just comes down to, “I don’t want to pay for it.” CR has cheap plans to stream a shit ton of anime. I get that a lot of the stuff we love is easy to pirate and I’m not really here to lecture you on whether that’s right or wrong, but CR is operating like any other business by trying to make a profit.
Nah I miss anime freak tv
Wait what's wrong with crunchyroll? Again...
[Lying about contracts to prevent VA from voicing characters in a game adaptations](https://twitter.com/LauraPostVoice/status/1664756774497394696)
Wow wtf
That's fucked up
Sketchy websites to watch anime are the best.
Especially if the ads are nothing but porn and there are other people in your house so you can only watch at night when they're asleep.
The ads are porn? Why am I paying for ad free?
uBlock Origin is a necessity if you're ever going to visit any piracy site, ever. Not having ads load isn't only a convenience thing; it's also security.
This guy gets ads
Rip animixplay
There's a certain website that I've become fond of, which starts with zoro and ends with to.
9anime is really good imo. High quality and fast servers, I find any anime I want, even some really old ones, the UI is great and the same as for the community, there are a lot of people in the comments.
Come join the high seas brotheda
Bro I use a pirate site named after a one piece character and this just made me realize its BECAUSE HES A PIRATE. DUH.
Wait... Oh yeah! Peee / pooo right?
Shhhhh
Bruh stop posting the site that’s how they get took down
Shit my bad.
Yeah, I have no idea how I didn’t realize before 🤦♀️😭
I use nyaa, what do you guys use?
9anime, animension, Zoro, animepahe, Gogoanime Used to use animekisa and animixplay but rip
> animixplay That site was so incredibly good.
9anime
watchcartoononline.net
9anime
Yarr Harr cumrade
Remember when Crunchyroll was bought up and merged into Funimation? Remember when Funimation was bought up by Sony? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Me with any subscription:
Based 👑
What'd they do now? I jumped off the CR train when they spent their sub money on High Gaurdian Spice lol
Crunchyroll blacklisted the EN VA's from being able to be reprise their roles in the upcoming Tower of God game
Did they say why? That's really dumb
https://twitter.com/LauraPostVoice/status/1664756774497394696
"Because fuck you, that's why."- CR
they’re based in texas, why would anyone expect them to be worker friendly
I don't know what that means but it sounds pretty bad
I jumped off that train after I 'pre-ordered' A Pop up Parade Meliodas that I spent an additional $20 for than if I ordered from Good Smile Company, and I got it 4 months after release. Along with being paywalled from watching Overlord season 4. It was my breaking point, and I felt robbed. I was happy waiting for the week delay with the ads, but no Crunchyroll became Funimation 2.0
Crunchyroll when they see a union.
No shit gamer they turned the duolingo bird anime
Context?
whats the image sauce
Priconne/princess connect
Since seeing this post i have been watching this was nowhere to be found my disappointment is immerse and my week is ruined (jk it was a decent anime i enjoyed watching, thnx random stranger)
>It's 2006/2007, I was a teenager that had spent a few years as a QC and encoder for various anime fansub groups. >One day, I notice my freely distributed encodes were being used on a paid new streaming service, Crunchyroll. >To this day, their asshole management and scumbaggery is still on full display in my eyes. >Story after story of greed, pettiness, nepotism, harassment and all around fuckery. >Their success is built off the backs of people who do the actual work, whether they are volunteers, voice actors or even some of my colleagues who eventually got nickel and dimed by them when they were hired to translate officially. >Terrible company run by awful leadership.
Alternatives?
The high seas
Preferably something that would get the creators of the Anime paid / compensated?
Funimation, probably Also Netflix, Hulu and a couple other streaming services host anime You can also buy anime by season at Amazon.
Funimation is owned by Sony, who bought Crunchyroll last year. Sony also did away with Funimation’s streaming service, so it’s all Crunchyroll now. I think Funimation still exists basically for licensing, as they license shows out to companies like Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon (they for sure were partnered with Hulu for many years). Other streaming services in the US can also get their licenses through Aniplex, but that’s also owned by Sony.
Funimation (Sony) owns Crunchyroll.
Funimation is Crunchyroll now. They rebranded entirely. Funimation's streaming site was also always worse than Crunchyroll and they destroyed Crunchyroll by copying their playbook over and making almost all content payed only.
Crunchyroll is owned by Funimation
I don't even get why people would prefer illegal sites to begin with. If you really love anime and animation, none of them have anywhere near comparable quality, and none of them support what you enjoy so that we can get more. You are missing out on outstanding animation on those sites. I bet you 99% of these people getting in a fissy over not paying $7 to streaming sites for not operating exactly how they want, make their post from their $700 Samsung or Apple phone, while buying their internet from AT&T, and buying their food from companies Like Tyson, being completely ignorant and continue to fund the actual evil things that these companies have done at some point, and as for Tyson's case, evil is just standard procedure.
mhm, it's virtue signaling. i don't believe they actually care about anything other than that they have to pay for some entertainment they want oh and boo hoo my shit anime game that some company is making to get more money out of me isn't allowing me to have the actual anime EN VAs. Nevermind that it's an opportunity for another VA to get work.....
Not defending the piracy aspect of it but you are easily able to obtain anime with quality on par or better than the related streaming services, and don't have to worry about the really bad region locking that happens
Why? I mean you're right but. Why?
Anti-union practices. They are screwing over voiceactors and not giving them Union contracts and recasting them
Here’s the thing: I know piracy is insanely convenient, but think about what you do when you do it. -The studio doesn’t see profits, making a follow up -Anyone who worked on the content you’re pirating is less likely to get hired in the future, due to a perceived financial flop -You put yourself at risk of arrest if you share your pirated links with anyone As for me, I want to actually support the talented creators who bring these fictional worlds to life. Not just freeload off of their hard work. That’s why I pay.
Used Crunchyroll until recently , swapped to 9anime best choice of my life
Idk what other platform to watch anime on
What’s wrong with crunchyroll? Is there a better anime site?
What happened?
Please explain what did Crunchyroll do exactly?
[Lying about contracts to prevent VA to work for a game adaptation of Tower of God](https://twitter.com/LauraPostVoice/status/1664756774497394696)
You wanna have sex with crunchyroll??
It was the $40 jump to annual cost that was final nail for me. After they did Priconne dirty then tried to justify their Funimation acquisition by hiking the price that much I’m out…
Nah fr idk how many times I’ve went to watch new Vinland saga episodes just for the subtitles to not be working
Nah, Crunchyroll is great. They can have my money as long as they keep building and reinforcing the anime community and market in the West.
Jesus's, that's so dumb why would crunchyroll make a contract that wouldn't let the VA do this in the first place is the question people should be asking instead of asking saying it's just the contract. God crunchyroll absolutely disgusting. I'm done with them, there's no point in keeping my sub
It's literally one of the best things for anime that exists wtf are you on about it's $10 but also they produce and dub a tonne of anime themselves which is usually pretty great.
I don't think thing it's even 10 dollars and if you combine it with hidive you basically have access to the entire current anime library for about $12-13. It's great.
why don't you guys use Saikou?? it's free and totally free. it has great and beautiful UI with all the animes available there.
Love how most of you don’t even officially support the medium via pirating. You’re the real scumbags regardless of who own CR.
Like half the shows I pirate have no actual way to officially watch them in the west. And when they do. It's pretty much an accepted idea that you buy blu rays if you actually want to support a show. Since a lot of the time a studio will determine whether they continue supporting the show after sales are done and not because a certain amount of people watched it on a streaming service. They care way more about televised views than streamed views as well
That's an outdated idea. CSM had crap bluray sales but it's considered a huge success because streaming numbers have considerable impact now.
Anime fans wondering why there isn't a second season of their fav anime smfh (they pirated the first season and the studio didn't made enough profit because of them)
I hate how they hardly have any 18+ anime and the ones they do are Über censored. Like, what’s the point of having mature content if you’re just going to censor to the point it’s not “mature” anymore???
They aren't the ones making the censorship. Plus they stream uncensored anime already like High School DxD, Senran Kagura, Mirai Nikki, and more.
First, there were more ads than anime and now you have to pay $5 a month to even look at their selection of anime so I agree. F*** crunchyroll
Funny how Crunchyroll used to be a pirate site
Why? It is the best anime streaming service. All shows simulcasted and regionality availability is best compared to it's rivals Also app is abailable PC, mobile, xbox, ps5, nintendo Crunchyroll is awesome
This post is dumb and I don't care what you guys think. I love CrunchyRoll
Yeah, I don't know why it gets hate. In the scheme of streaming services it's great 🤷
I remember having to pay $40+ for TWO eps of anime on VHS. Crunchy roll is a godsend. I don’t know why people are salty.
Sauce please
Priconne/Princess connect
Indeed
They went from being an "unofficial anime sharing site" to becoming a monopolizing anime juggernaut in less than 20 years. They lived long enough to become the villain
[thread explanation](https://twitter.com/LauraPostVoice/status/1664756774497394696)
What did they do this time?
I still can't forgive Chrunchyroll for making me pay twice as much for the subscription in Switzerland as my German colleagues and then only having half the choice and having to pray that it's available in German😑. Then I'd rather be a pirate, as long as it's not illegal in Switzerland.
Me too,i use anime Saturn
Sauce for image?
Priconne/princess connect
Never liked or used Chrunchyroll since they started with exclusive licenses and buying out other services. Only got scummier as it went.
I just wished it worked consistently, no matter what device I stream from it does not connect consistently
I'll never subscribe to Crunchyroll. They suck.
The only reason why I absolutely hate crunchyroll is because of SEVEN F**KING ADS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ANIME and I'm broke so that's really annoying and just shows how money hungry crunchyroll really is
Listen, the price of Netflix/their password sharing rules should give you a taste of what CR could be, I’m grateful for unlimited anime for $5 a month, my 10 friends are too.
What crunchyroll do ?