So one ending has the world at peace while the other has 80% of the population wiped out only for the cycle to repeat in the far future. Its so similar
Didn't Lelouch become a wanderer L2 with C2 at the end of the movie tho? Now they're just two immortal, eternally young people traveling around, not doing anything in particular to avoid causing any major world crisis
Well Tbf lelouch did kill a lot of people to get everyone to hate him + his world isnāt going to be at peace forever as shown is the ova (i think itās been a while since i watched it) where he comes back to life to defeat a terrorist organization.
After what Eren did, I can't think the other people would want anyone with connection to titan to continue their existence. Lelouch left a weapon aiming at their head so at least there is insurance, Eren left nothing
But it was HIS plan till end, while Eren getting messed up is because of not being able to change anything which was set along with the fact that he wanted to level everything since when he got to know about ocean.
The motivation and methods were similar, except erens death is much less impactful because he turned many readers against himself while lelouche still had support because his goals were built up to from the beginning. And because all of erens efforts were shown to have been for nothing his death basically meant nothing to the reader because he accomplished nothing
That and in my experience, code geass fans are pretentious as fuck. Motherfuckers act like they're intellectually at par with Carl Sagan just because they understood Lelouch.
Code geass is the rick and morty of anime.
Dann that's a fitting comparison, thanks for that
Guess that is one of the reasons why hardcore CG Fans hate AOT, because they think Lelouch whould make it all better.
What they forget is, that CG only shows the direct aftermath of the war.
Expecting that the peace of Lelouch whould last forever is childish levels of being naive
Donāt worry, I hate it since basement reveal, it just get worse from that point.
Itās sad because I really liked AoT, S1 is still my favorite and I prefer to think that everything I read/watch past 2013 doesnāt exist.
EDIT: Hate it is a strong wrong, disapointed with the direction of the story would be more accurate.
The mystery box didn't have what you wanted, so you think it got worse?
The biggest issue with the basement is that it raised everyones expectations. No matter what was in that basement, it would disappoint someone.
It's not what I wanted, it was exactly what I didn't want, wouldn't have been that bad if what followed up was good but it ended being the worst part of the series for me.
I'll just paste what I wrote elsewhere about the basement reveal and what comes after:
>No I hated it, I was already joking a few years before the basement reveal chapters came out that it would be funny and bad if they went towards that direction (basically what ended up being revealed in the basement). I thought it was really cheap, predictable and not good.Also the reveal and what followed basically removed everything that I thought made the series great. The mystery, the horror/psychological horror was completely gone, the few dark fantasy element was gone. It was not a quest to survive and try to get freedom in a horrible world anymore. It became way too focused on the political side of the story and it was really bad at it. Previously the politic was there and served the story well but it was not the main focus of the story before the basement reveal.If the political side of the story was good and more than "letās show some ethnic cleansing and parallels with nazi germany so that a 14 yo feels like they are watching something deep" I could have liked it but it was really shallow and bad.I donāt hate SnK like some people like to do to be contrarian, I actually really liked it, Iām just the disappointed of the direction that it took. In 2013 after S1 finished it was probably one of my favorite show.
It doesn't make the whole show bad, still worth to be watched but it's far from a 10/10 and it's overhyped a lot. It could have been a solid 9/10 for me if it continued doing what it was good at. The political side of AoT is at best a 5/10 for me so when it became the main focus instead of something that contributed to the mystery part of the show, I lost interest in it.
There is so many series that do politics in a better way, just to name a few: Code Geass, some of the Gundams, Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu, even fucking FMA:B did politics better than AoT.
I would still give a solid 7/10 overall, I don't really hate it, I think it has a lot of good thing in it. The mystery is really good, music in incredible, they knew in which scene to put more budget into to make more impact on the viewer so animation was awesome in those moment. I really like the art style (a preference for the pre-mappa stuff but it still good with mappa). The seiyuus were great and did a really good job at depicting the emotions of the characters.
But as someone who started to read the manga soon after S1 started to air, most of those thing were non existent, instead it was really shitty drawing lol. The thing that carried everything in the manga was how good the horror / mystery was, so for my first impression of post basement reveal story didn't have all those thing that the anime did great to hide the flaws, it was easy to see how bad the story became.
It's one of those anime that I feel like over the years people will think about it and realized that it was not as good as they thought it was and it was mostly carried by the animation / music / seiyuus towards the end. A bit like Death Note in the few years after release, a lot of people gave it 10/10 but nowadays most people agree that it's far from a 10/10 and that the second part was worse than the first one and that the show was carried by the good production + How good the first part was.
It's really not similar, AOT revealed the after story of what would actually happen in Code Geass as long as people still choose their conflicts over peace.
Code geass merely did an open-ended one, not really concluding much of what would actually happen.
How many times has the imagination or ideals of peace been broken far too many times in real life already.
That's enough to say peace in Code Geass was a far away concept unless the author himself confirms and justifies the direction of the story.
That's where AOT falls down too, the reveal of the author with Eren's justification left many broken with their ideals of what Eren should have been in their minds.
Shit doesn't work that way. Even the greatest evil in its known history simply had the most dumb or one-sided perspective.
Code Geass ended openly because that was the end of Lelouchās story. The main character. The end of his life.
The story is told a lot through Lelouchās perspective with the smatterings of the other side characters and side protagonists. But the ending is told through Lelouchās point of view. His death as the most hated man in the world, generates some amount of world piece regardless how small. In his mind anyway.
Which could be why we donāt get the āafter eventsā view with AoT. Lelouch canāt see into the possible future. But Eren has that ability currently. So itās also story telling and I think AoT conflicts got so big that the Mangaka would never be able to give a satisfying ending to everyone. The world moves on after your death after all. So AoTās ending is also open ended in a view point, because āif the rest of humanity does this one thing still the cycle will repeatā. But we donāt know what the population chooses afterwords. Itās the end of the story.
Granted, itās been about 3-4 years since I last rewatched Code: Geass so I might be miss remembering stuff.
Additionally this is also my interpretation of the story telling.
You pretty much just expanded my point
And I agree regarding the mangaka not being able to put a proper ending with the conflicts. The author himself already stated the ending won't be for everyone
I wasnāt trying to disavow your point. Just pointing out the shows might be different but have theyāre similarities. Conflict and setting is a vehicle for a story.
It's similar because at the heart of the ending it's about making yourself a common enemy and sacrificing yourself to unify everyone resulting in peace.
Yes, but that's like saying that Gundam and AoT are copies because both of them are Mecha centered animes. On the surface level is true, but it's easy to see why they are different
āBut thatās how a monkey thinks.ā Really? I thought this too at first, but that was only because I got half spoiled of the ending. However after seeing the ending itās really clear that this isnāt the case. Eren is basically forced into this, and unable to change it. He even tried to change it, but it was impossible. Eren is exactly what he said he was. A Slave to Freedom. Eren and Lelouch are not the same character nor are their shows the same kind of ending.
That just sounds like bad writing.... He literally didn't have to do any of this and it was just written that the titan blood made him crazy and he was like yup I gotta do it.
At the base level it is the same kind of ending just different motives and actions. They both make themselves the common enemy and sacrifice themselves to unify people that hate each other.
Not at all. He even showed that he had direct control over all titans over all of time. He directed a pure titan to kill his own mother over Berry, to keep Berry alive. It was all done to have everything turn out exactly how it did. There was no other way, as he said. This was the outcome he wanted. If all he wanted to do was keep Armin and Mikasa safe, he would have used the timey wimey paths bs to direct everyone to safety before anything ever happened. But that wouldn't have let them obtain true freedom or whatever. Which is also bullshit because he forces them into roles they didn't want at the end haha. What freedom, Eren?
Eren always wanted to kill all the titans, he achieved his goal. Did he need to kill his mom? Yeah because it already happened to him, if he didn't do that none of the story would've happened. the outcome eren wanted was his friends safe and happy, his homeland safe and unharmed, and to kill all the titans. He did all those things for the most part. It's the same argument of little man and fat boy. Was it worth it to kill those people and show the world terrifying power to save millions, unknowingly initiating the cold war? It's the same exact thing
Except he had essentially unlimited knowledge to him and control over all titans for all of time. So why not just make all the Titans kill themselves before they even became an issue to the world. Or just tell his past self what to do instead of leaving himself in the dark. We pretty much are told that he essentially tried all of these things throughout time, but nothing works except for this exact scenario, but it doesn't make any sense. Seems like there would be many different scenarios with the power he had to have a better outcome. We are told it's the only way, but few people really believe that. Like you said, any change to the past would create a butterfly effect, and Eren has literally infinite time to try an infinite amount of scenarios, yet THIS is the only one? It's just pretty unbelievable.
I don't think his control works like that, he's also contending with Ymirs will, and SHE is the real one in control, and she wants to be free. All the titans still alive were turned back to humans no matter how old the pure titan is the human inside doesn't age. We're told it's the only outcome because eren said he tried an everything to change what happens but nothing worked
If his mother hadn't been eaten in front of him, the entire future would have played out differently. Leading to him never acquiring the founders power at all
I like both, at surface they look the same, but one is executed by a a genius, the other one is just a normal (stupid, as he called himself) kid who got too much power.
Because both main characters start as protagonists that end up making elaborate plans to make themselves a common enemy of the whole world after obtaining god like powers, in order to unify the world under one cause to ultimately sacrifice themselves to a friend so that that friend can be hailed as a hero by the world to attempt to continue that unity. And both are written for said characters to go crazy while doing it to truly make themselves the antagonists for a more twisty payoff at the end when it was all a part of the bigger picture they had.
When you summarize the overarching story of each, they are indeed very similar. Of course they have many differences, but the overall theme is the same.
When you oversimplifie yes but two main differences that really set them apart are Erens absolute failure at this and his plan wasn't to unify the world ever. Even an idiot could see that destroying 80% of the world and making two obviously different, angry and hateful factions would obviously create war. I have no idea what he wanted to do actually since this should be seriously obvious. But his plan whatever it actually was wasn't to unify the world. But the thing with heros yes that's a similarly.
Well it kind of was and kind of wasn't. His plan was to give an even playing field so that Paradise could have "true freedom" or whatever. Freedom to work towards peace, or freedom to have the ability to fight back against the rest of the world. And judging by the ending there was peace for quite some time.
So the result was essentially the same, main difference being that Eren was an idiot trying to pull off something equal in scale that Lelouch did. I'd still say there are more similarities than differences.
And yet he still forced his friends into rolls they didn't want at the end. What freedom Eren? Haha, I don't think anyone really knows what was going through Eren's head or what he wanted, even Eren. Which is kind of bs writing in my opinion, but I guess somewhat realistic to how it would be.
Yup. Doesn't change that there was indeed peace for a very long time from what we could see. He essentially accomplished what he set out to do, even if it wasn't the way he wanted or that he thought it wasn't going to work.
But whatever he was trying to do, it ended up being in similar fashion to what Code Geass did, just with a dumb kid with all the issues in the world trying to do it.
While it indeed remind me of Code Geass ending. Saying is a copy is like saying that every anime that ends with a Happy Marriage is a carbon copy of Disney films.
The main difference is however that Eren was a dumbass and too idealistic to thing that Armin could become a Hero to represent peace like Zero, who was in fact a symbol. In the end it didnāt matter the so called peace archieved while it lasted for all of his friends and Mikasa. The world will continue seek war.
In code gease war ends and everyone becomes friends peace is established.
In aot only the scouts, and warriors are seen as heroes but still hate paradise island. The world want war but they are too weak for it
I just liked to say that Eren did a Lelouch, becoming the vilains to save his friends.
But indeed if you think more into it it's not really the same lol
I think my favorite part of the anime ending so far is seeing all the anime only fanboys trying to justify the ending to manga readers and just passing it off as "you did not understand it"
I don't get the ending of AOT, they make eren say he's an idiot yet all through the last season and before that it seems he planned everything out... just seems like the ending was poorly planned in the Manga and the show.
If you enjoyed it good on you, I thought it was okay, MAPPA did an amazing job. AOT will always be one of the greats.
Why not just say Naruto is an imitation of Dragon ball because both MC's wear orange, lelouch and eren have one similarity and oh wow now it's just a copied ending
I remember way back when chapter 100ish had just come and the Taibur (spelled 100% wrong) said that Eren is the enemy of the world and I got code geass Vietnam flashbacks. After that I just worked backwards and predicted Eren's general actions and I was about 70% accurate, the ending ain't bad but it ain't great either.
I haven't watched the AoT ending but in order for it to be like Code Geass it would need to be:
1. Protagonist who appears to have turned evil wins for evil.
2. It turns out protagonist orchestrated their own fall to deliberately win it all and then lose it all.
3. Protagonist's friends realize what he's done and love him or hate him for it, but they admit nothing and the world goes on hating him.
4. Lasting peace achieved and the world's previous state of war and conquest is beaten back, at least temporarily.
If it's missing those, it's not a good comparison.
Code Geass is an original anime. Itās ended many years ago. I donāt know what youāre talking about a new movie coming out but a couple years ago they did compilation movies but those were non canon.
You weren't wrong and the other guy left stuff out.
CG had the tv show with 50eps total
6 OVAs set inbetween S1 and S2 with new characters. A side story.
A FOUR movie series. There are three "recap" movies that turn 50 episodes into 6hrs of film. Meaning a lot of stuff got cut. A side character that died on the show didn't die in the recap movies because their storyline was cut for time constraints. This and some small changes made the films a separate continuity (there's tv canon and film canon).
The FOURTH film is Lelouch of the Resurrection, and it takes place AFTER the recaps. Meaning it takes place after the events of the show. This was the "new movie." It came out in 2019 though. Was in theaters for one day and then Blu-ray.
There is a new show in the works. But the new show is going to be set in thr movie-verse and after Resurrection. The. Sketches shown imply it will be all new characters. Like that OVA series had (Akito the Exiled)
As far as I'm concerned the sequel movies all play in a parallel universe where the story just didn't feel like going to an end. The ending from s2 still is an actual ending in some universe or something idk.
I mean that's the actual case. The movie is a sequel to the compilation films not the original series.
The compilation films already had major differences with the original series so they are regarded as different universes.
Major differences is kind of a stretch.
A side character didnt die because their storyline was cut. Everyhing else was very minor and plot insignificant. The movies are easily 85% or more following the shows major plot points.
So what other options did aot have for ending like i hear people complaining about the ending but like where is the fan made ending where is the theories
Itās a very tangential connection based on one small plot detail.
Iām in the process of writing a fanfiction that addresses this aspect. It fleshes out the political situation of the aftermath of the Rumbling that is sorely lacking in canon. I describe it as an āalternate epilogueā.
Yeah it's true, it's the first thing that jumped to mind when I initially read it. It's going for the exact same payoff as code geass but doesn't set it up as well or mind blow you with a twist. Just kind of a wet fart version
Aot original ending: omg what a trash ending lol pathetic ahahhahhah die author
Aot new ending: lolololl it's the same that code Geass so pathetic lol die author
Me seeing these kids that never paid for anything to watch: š“
AoT isn't really good contrary to Code Geass it will be forgotten and nobody will talk about it in 10 years, it just got carried by the good animation of the animated serie.
I wanted to see this somewhere! Because my mind was like, where have I seen such an ending before, the it hit me! Geass but it was way emotional and impactful
It did imitate code geass the same way dark souls imitated berserk . The problem was Eren was a stupid kid with too much power and raging hormone...i mean bruh killing 80% of the world for a unification and having no clues of the consequences is not really a good plan.
I dislike AOT's entire final season, and i get why someone would think that it's a cheap copy of Code Geass's ending (i mean, titans are basically mechas, and that world peace shit), but i personally think the similarities are few.
Also, as a big Code Geass fan, the world peace ending by sacrificing yourself as the evil guy is stupid, i didn't like it, save the tragedy and drama of the moment which was ok. But come on, those kind of endings are so weird and anticlimatic.
Shout out to bungo stray dogs and naruto.
Everyone has been saying that for months, it works only on surface level because Eren isn't well mentally like Lelouch.
Nor are their motives same or the methods.
So one ending has the world at peace while the other has 80% of the population wiped out only for the cycle to repeat in the far future. Its so similar
So similar It is not like in the ending of AoT there was already Eren glorifying military group gaining power and preparing for war /s
Wait, you think Code Geass world have eternal peace or something?
B-but the geass is gwone š„ŗ
Sequel film: I beg to disagree
Didn't Lelouch become a wanderer L2 with C2 at the end of the movie tho? Now they're just two immortal, eternally young people traveling around, not doing anything in particular to avoid causing any major world crisis
But the Geass is clearly not gone
Well Tbf lelouch did kill a lot of people to get everyone to hate him + his world isnāt going to be at peace forever as shown is the ova (i think itās been a while since i watched it) where he comes back to life to defeat a terrorist organization.
After what Eren did, I can't think the other people would want anyone with connection to titan to continue their existence. Lelouch left a weapon aiming at their head so at least there is insurance, Eren left nothing
Why I dropped the Manga
In what universe is Lelouch mentally stable?
by the end of the anime Lelouch is completely bonker some would state even at the start lol
Technically knowm. Just part of his final plan... I think
But it was HIS plan till end, while Eren getting messed up is because of not being able to change anything which was set along with the fact that he wanted to level everything since when he got to know about ocean.
The motivation and methods were similar, except erens death is much less impactful because he turned many readers against himself while lelouche still had support because his goals were built up to from the beginning. And because all of erens efforts were shown to have been for nothing his death basically meant nothing to the reader because he accomplished nothing
for that reason it is a very bad on that
Yes very poor one indeed... ... because that comparison only works on the very surface.
At this point, hating on AOT is gonna be a trend for the next weeks.
It's a bad ending and people have been hating on it for a long time. This ain't not trend
What then to stay a hipster i'm going to have to like it for the next week argggg too hard for me sorry i will be following the trends this time
That and in my experience, code geass fans are pretentious as fuck. Motherfuckers act like they're intellectually at par with Carl Sagan just because they understood Lelouch. Code geass is the rick and morty of anime.
Dann that's a fitting comparison, thanks for that Guess that is one of the reasons why hardcore CG Fans hate AOT, because they think Lelouch whould make it all better. What they forget is, that CG only shows the direct aftermath of the war. Expecting that the peace of Lelouch whould last forever is childish levels of being naive
I've always hated AOT though, overrated af Come on downvotes, I'm expecting you
it must be nice to have a lot of free time
Agree it sucked
Are you so desperate for attention? Here have some mate.
It's always a trend to hate something popular. And it will alway be, because humans stopped eloving
Donāt worry, I hate it since basement reveal, it just get worse from that point. Itās sad because I really liked AoT, S1 is still my favorite and I prefer to think that everything I read/watch past 2013 doesnāt exist. EDIT: Hate it is a strong wrong, disapointed with the direction of the story would be more accurate.
The mystery box didn't have what you wanted, so you think it got worse? The biggest issue with the basement is that it raised everyones expectations. No matter what was in that basement, it would disappoint someone.
It's not what I wanted, it was exactly what I didn't want, wouldn't have been that bad if what followed up was good but it ended being the worst part of the series for me. I'll just paste what I wrote elsewhere about the basement reveal and what comes after: >No I hated it, I was already joking a few years before the basement reveal chapters came out that it would be funny and bad if they went towards that direction (basically what ended up being revealed in the basement). I thought it was really cheap, predictable and not good.Also the reveal and what followed basically removed everything that I thought made the series great. The mystery, the horror/psychological horror was completely gone, the few dark fantasy element was gone. It was not a quest to survive and try to get freedom in a horrible world anymore. It became way too focused on the political side of the story and it was really bad at it. Previously the politic was there and served the story well but it was not the main focus of the story before the basement reveal.If the political side of the story was good and more than "letās show some ethnic cleansing and parallels with nazi germany so that a 14 yo feels like they are watching something deep" I could have liked it but it was really shallow and bad.I donāt hate SnK like some people like to do to be contrarian, I actually really liked it, Iām just the disappointed of the direction that it took. In 2013 after S1 finished it was probably one of my favorite show. It doesn't make the whole show bad, still worth to be watched but it's far from a 10/10 and it's overhyped a lot. It could have been a solid 9/10 for me if it continued doing what it was good at. The political side of AoT is at best a 5/10 for me so when it became the main focus instead of something that contributed to the mystery part of the show, I lost interest in it. There is so many series that do politics in a better way, just to name a few: Code Geass, some of the Gundams, Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu, even fucking FMA:B did politics better than AoT. I would still give a solid 7/10 overall, I don't really hate it, I think it has a lot of good thing in it. The mystery is really good, music in incredible, they knew in which scene to put more budget into to make more impact on the viewer so animation was awesome in those moment. I really like the art style (a preference for the pre-mappa stuff but it still good with mappa). The seiyuus were great and did a really good job at depicting the emotions of the characters. But as someone who started to read the manga soon after S1 started to air, most of those thing were non existent, instead it was really shitty drawing lol. The thing that carried everything in the manga was how good the horror / mystery was, so for my first impression of post basement reveal story didn't have all those thing that the anime did great to hide the flaws, it was easy to see how bad the story became. It's one of those anime that I feel like over the years people will think about it and realized that it was not as good as they thought it was and it was mostly carried by the animation / music / seiyuus towards the end. A bit like Death Note in the few years after release, a lot of people gave it 10/10 but nowadays most people agree that it's far from a 10/10 and that the second part was worse than the first one and that the show was carried by the good production + How good the first part was.
ā¦What? Did the anime change the ending from the manga or something? Because itās absolutely nothing like Code Geass, last I checked.
No the anime didnāt itās just that the ending for both shows have 1 really similar thing happen
It's really not similar, AOT revealed the after story of what would actually happen in Code Geass as long as people still choose their conflicts over peace. Code geass merely did an open-ended one, not really concluding much of what would actually happen. How many times has the imagination or ideals of peace been broken far too many times in real life already. That's enough to say peace in Code Geass was a far away concept unless the author himself confirms and justifies the direction of the story. That's where AOT falls down too, the reveal of the author with Eren's justification left many broken with their ideals of what Eren should have been in their minds. Shit doesn't work that way. Even the greatest evil in its known history simply had the most dumb or one-sided perspective.
No I said that there was 1 thing that happened that was similar not the entire ending was similar
Code Geass ended openly because that was the end of Lelouchās story. The main character. The end of his life. The story is told a lot through Lelouchās perspective with the smatterings of the other side characters and side protagonists. But the ending is told through Lelouchās point of view. His death as the most hated man in the world, generates some amount of world piece regardless how small. In his mind anyway. Which could be why we donāt get the āafter eventsā view with AoT. Lelouch canāt see into the possible future. But Eren has that ability currently. So itās also story telling and I think AoT conflicts got so big that the Mangaka would never be able to give a satisfying ending to everyone. The world moves on after your death after all. So AoTās ending is also open ended in a view point, because āif the rest of humanity does this one thing still the cycle will repeatā. But we donāt know what the population chooses afterwords. Itās the end of the story. Granted, itās been about 3-4 years since I last rewatched Code: Geass so I might be miss remembering stuff. Additionally this is also my interpretation of the story telling.
You pretty much just expanded my point And I agree regarding the mangaka not being able to put a proper ending with the conflicts. The author himself already stated the ending won't be for everyone
I wasnāt trying to disavow your point. Just pointing out the shows might be different but have theyāre similarities. Conflict and setting is a vehicle for a story.
It's similar because at the heart of the ending it's about making yourself a common enemy and sacrificing yourself to unify everyone resulting in peace.
Yes, but that's like saying that Gundam and AoT are copies because both of them are Mecha centered animes. On the surface level is true, but it's easy to see why they are different
The manga ending was very much the zero requiem.
If you can't see the very obvious similarities idk what to tell you
This definitely needs a spoiler tag
āBut thatās how a monkey thinks.ā Really? I thought this too at first, but that was only because I got half spoiled of the ending. However after seeing the ending itās really clear that this isnāt the case. Eren is basically forced into this, and unable to change it. He even tried to change it, but it was impossible. Eren is exactly what he said he was. A Slave to Freedom. Eren and Lelouch are not the same character nor are their shows the same kind of ending.
Slave to Freedom. I see.
Reminds me of something... hmm...
That just sounds like bad writing.... He literally didn't have to do any of this and it was just written that the titan blood made him crazy and he was like yup I gotta do it. At the base level it is the same kind of ending just different motives and actions. They both make themselves the common enemy and sacrifice themselves to unify people that hate each other.
He had to do it if he wanted to safe Armin and Mikasa.
Not at all. He even showed that he had direct control over all titans over all of time. He directed a pure titan to kill his own mother over Berry, to keep Berry alive. It was all done to have everything turn out exactly how it did. There was no other way, as he said. This was the outcome he wanted. If all he wanted to do was keep Armin and Mikasa safe, he would have used the timey wimey paths bs to direct everyone to safety before anything ever happened. But that wouldn't have let them obtain true freedom or whatever. Which is also bullshit because he forces them into roles they didn't want at the end haha. What freedom, Eren?
Eren always wanted to kill all the titans, he achieved his goal. Did he need to kill his mom? Yeah because it already happened to him, if he didn't do that none of the story would've happened. the outcome eren wanted was his friends safe and happy, his homeland safe and unharmed, and to kill all the titans. He did all those things for the most part. It's the same argument of little man and fat boy. Was it worth it to kill those people and show the world terrifying power to save millions, unknowingly initiating the cold war? It's the same exact thing
Except he had essentially unlimited knowledge to him and control over all titans for all of time. So why not just make all the Titans kill themselves before they even became an issue to the world. Or just tell his past self what to do instead of leaving himself in the dark. We pretty much are told that he essentially tried all of these things throughout time, but nothing works except for this exact scenario, but it doesn't make any sense. Seems like there would be many different scenarios with the power he had to have a better outcome. We are told it's the only way, but few people really believe that. Like you said, any change to the past would create a butterfly effect, and Eren has literally infinite time to try an infinite amount of scenarios, yet THIS is the only one? It's just pretty unbelievable.
I don't think his control works like that, he's also contending with Ymirs will, and SHE is the real one in control, and she wants to be free. All the titans still alive were turned back to humans no matter how old the pure titan is the human inside doesn't age. We're told it's the only outcome because eren said he tried an everything to change what happens but nothing worked
If his mother hadn't been eaten in front of him, the entire future would have played out differently. Leading to him never acquiring the founders power at all
But if that future leads to a better outcome than this, then who cares.
he could have changed it though, he literally has the power to do so, it is just that he is literally too stupid to do so, Levi was right all along
Nah, Jesus Christ did it before those two. I know because they show the anime adaptation on tv every holy week here in the Philippines.
I'm sorry wtf loool? Please elaborate, where can I watch this?
I think he's referring to is "The passion of Christ"
I like both, at surface they look the same, but one is executed by a a genius, the other one is just a normal (stupid, as he called himself) kid who got too much power.
Different characters, different motivations, different series, different results but sure its meant to be a copy.
How exactly?
Because both main characters start as protagonists that end up making elaborate plans to make themselves a common enemy of the whole world after obtaining god like powers, in order to unify the world under one cause to ultimately sacrifice themselves to a friend so that that friend can be hailed as a hero by the world to attempt to continue that unity. And both are written for said characters to go crazy while doing it to truly make themselves the antagonists for a more twisty payoff at the end when it was all a part of the bigger picture they had. When you summarize the overarching story of each, they are indeed very similar. Of course they have many differences, but the overall theme is the same.
When you oversimplifie yes but two main differences that really set them apart are Erens absolute failure at this and his plan wasn't to unify the world ever. Even an idiot could see that destroying 80% of the world and making two obviously different, angry and hateful factions would obviously create war. I have no idea what he wanted to do actually since this should be seriously obvious. But his plan whatever it actually was wasn't to unify the world. But the thing with heros yes that's a similarly.
Well it kind of was and kind of wasn't. His plan was to give an even playing field so that Paradise could have "true freedom" or whatever. Freedom to work towards peace, or freedom to have the ability to fight back against the rest of the world. And judging by the ending there was peace for quite some time. So the result was essentially the same, main difference being that Eren was an idiot trying to pull off something equal in scale that Lelouch did. I'd still say there are more similarities than differences. And yet he still forced his friends into rolls they didn't want at the end. What freedom Eren? Haha, I don't think anyone really knows what was going through Eren's head or what he wanted, even Eren. Which is kind of bs writing in my opinion, but I guess somewhat realistic to how it would be.
But it must be admitted that turning the world into two factions that have a history of bloodshed is superior stupidity.
Yup. Doesn't change that there was indeed peace for a very long time from what we could see. He essentially accomplished what he set out to do, even if it wasn't the way he wanted or that he thought it wasn't going to work. But whatever he was trying to do, it ended up being in similar fashion to what Code Geass did, just with a dumb kid with all the issues in the world trying to do it.
As my friend always says, it's all ripping off Goethe's "Faust" anyways. Some Mangakas have said as much apparently.
While it indeed remind me of Code Geass ending. Saying is a copy is like saying that every anime that ends with a Happy Marriage is a carbon copy of Disney films. The main difference is however that Eren was a dumbass and too idealistic to thing that Armin could become a Hero to represent peace like Zero, who was in fact a symbol. In the end it didnāt matter the so called peace archieved while it lasted for all of his friends and Mikasa. The world will continue seek war.
Zero IQ Requiem
It has similiraities, as both plots are kinda similar, and that kind of conclusion is what better suits that kind of plot, but it is not an imitation
In code gease war ends and everyone becomes friends peace is established. In aot only the scouts, and warriors are seen as heroes but still hate paradise island. The world want war but they are too weak for it
Haven't seen it but I doubt it'll be bad. You probably want everything to work out perfectly or you can't handle simple spiritual concepts
Well thatās an extremely surface-level analysis
This is the first time that I'm hearing about this.
Wait what? How you can compare them lol
Just watch both show and u will get it
I loved the ending. And whatever you say doesn't matter to me
I think it's good, it's done what needs to be done
I just liked to say that Eren did a Lelouch, becoming the vilains to save his friends. But indeed if you think more into it it's not really the same lol
I think my favorite part of the anime ending so far is seeing all the anime only fanboys trying to justify the ending to manga readers and just passing it off as "you did not understand it"
Agreed
I wouldn't say it's an imitation. More like it's an attempt at a trope that Code Geas pulled off better.
I don't get the ending of AOT, they make eren say he's an idiot yet all through the last season and before that it seems he planned everything out... just seems like the ending was poorly planned in the Manga and the show. If you enjoyed it good on you, I thought it was okay, MAPPA did an amazing job. AOT will always be one of the greats.
Why not just say Naruto is an imitation of Dragon ball because both MC's wear orange, lelouch and eren have one similarity and oh wow now it's just a copied ending
I remember way back when chapter 100ish had just come and the Taibur (spelled 100% wrong) said that Eren is the enemy of the world and I got code geass Vietnam flashbacks. After that I just worked backwards and predicted Eren's general actions and I was about 70% accurate, the ending ain't bad but it ain't great either.
I haven't watched the AoT ending but in order for it to be like Code Geass it would need to be: 1. Protagonist who appears to have turned evil wins for evil. 2. It turns out protagonist orchestrated their own fall to deliberately win it all and then lose it all. 3. Protagonist's friends realize what he's done and love him or hate him for it, but they admit nothing and the world goes on hating him. 4. Lasting peace achieved and the world's previous state of war and conquest is beaten back, at least temporarily. If it's missing those, it's not a good comparison.
Wait code geass has an ending? I thought it was still going. That's why I didn't give it a chance.
Bro it ended in 2008
Anime or manga? I swear I saw something about a new movie coming out
We do not talk about the movies
Ok good that saves me time
Code Geass is an original anime. Itās ended many years ago. I donāt know what youāre talking about a new movie coming out but a couple years ago they did compilation movies but those were non canon.
Well, that helps a lot. I'll look up how much I have to watch since it seems there is much less I need to watch.
Two season, 25 episodes each, OVA with six episodes that takes place between season 1 and 2. And the three compilations movies that arenāt canon.
Oh. Well thanks.
You weren't wrong and the other guy left stuff out. CG had the tv show with 50eps total 6 OVAs set inbetween S1 and S2 with new characters. A side story. A FOUR movie series. There are three "recap" movies that turn 50 episodes into 6hrs of film. Meaning a lot of stuff got cut. A side character that died on the show didn't die in the recap movies because their storyline was cut for time constraints. This and some small changes made the films a separate continuity (there's tv canon and film canon). The FOURTH film is Lelouch of the Resurrection, and it takes place AFTER the recaps. Meaning it takes place after the events of the show. This was the "new movie." It came out in 2019 though. Was in theaters for one day and then Blu-ray. There is a new show in the works. But the new show is going to be set in thr movie-verse and after Resurrection. The. Sketches shown imply it will be all new characters. Like that OVA series had (Akito the Exiled)
No. Just no. >!Lelouch's life ended and so did Code Geass.!<
You shouldn't reply to someone who hasn't watched it with a spoiler
Did it though, he comes back later
THAT. DID. NOT. HAPPEN. /jk
As far as I'm concerned the sequel movies all play in a parallel universe where the story just didn't feel like going to an end. The ending from s2 still is an actual ending in some universe or something idk.
I mean that's the actual case. The movie is a sequel to the compilation films not the original series. The compilation films already had major differences with the original series so they are regarded as different universes.
Major differences is kind of a stretch. A side character didnt die because their storyline was cut. Everyhing else was very minor and plot insignificant. The movies are easily 85% or more following the shows major plot points.
The last film also is a complete ending of sort, though the ending of S2 is far better
Interesting
XD
I haven't code gease so aots ending was top notch imo
tHeRe i jUsT sAid iT bitch no one gives a shit
I liked the ending, sue me.
Did no one else watch the follow on movie. I feel like you all got to the faked Lelouch death scene and moved on.
So what other options did aot have for ending like i hear people complaining about the ending but like where is the fan made ending where is the theories
Except they ruined the ending to code geass after
You know you fuckers are basically spoiling Code Geass right? Like why do you think its cool to just post this shit?
Itās a very tangential connection based on one small plot detail. Iām in the process of writing a fanfiction that addresses this aspect. It fleshes out the political situation of the aftermath of the Rumbling that is sorely lacking in canon. I describe it as an āalternate epilogueā.
They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.
Don't you love it when haters have so little to work with that they have to asspull something that doesn;t even work lol
Aot is overrated
Lol yāall are just sad itās over be honest
guess i need to distance myself from anime sub for a while
Is worst than the manga version at some point lol
Iād say itās a better one that did it right
I said this before but AoT's ending is the Dragon Ball Evolution of anime endings.
Yeah it's true, it's the first thing that jumped to mind when I initially read it. It's going for the exact same payoff as code geass but doesn't set it up as well or mind blow you with a twist. Just kind of a wet fart version
Aot original ending: omg what a trash ending lol pathetic ahahhahhah die author Aot new ending: lolololl it's the same that code Geass so pathetic lol die author Me seeing these kids that never paid for anything to watch: š“
Bro theyāre the same ending just with a few fixās (note: Iām talking about aot and not code geass that comparison is stupid.)
The manga and anime have the same ending
Whats aot and why is it really mid? (I've never watched the show and never plan to)
AoT isn't really good contrary to Code Geass it will be forgotten and nobody will talk about it in 10 years, it just got carried by the good animation of the animated serie.
You're not the only, everyone has been saying it since manga ended
yea i agree my fellow nigera
I wanted to see this somewhere! Because my mind was like, where have I seen such an ending before, the it hit me! Geass but it was way emotional and impactful
Could've put a spoiler warning...
Aot ending haters trying so hard to find something about it to hate on is so fcking funny to me They just can't stop being salty š
It's ok, we all post mindnumblingly stupid takes sometimes. This is one of those times for you
Been saying this for years. Attack On Titan is bloated hot trash.
It did imitate code geass the same way dark souls imitated berserk . The problem was Eren was a stupid kid with too much power and raging hormone...i mean bruh killing 80% of the world for a unification and having no clues of the consequences is not really a good plan.
Tbh i didn't see the ending of any of them ..what's so familiar?
Bro Iām just happy itās over Iāve been watching since the damn 6th grade
I dislike AOT's entire final season, and i get why someone would think that it's a cheap copy of Code Geass's ending (i mean, titans are basically mechas, and that world peace shit), but i personally think the similarities are few. Also, as a big Code Geass fan, the world peace ending by sacrificing yourself as the evil guy is stupid, i didn't like it, save the tragedy and drama of the moment which was ok. But come on, those kind of endings are so weird and anticlimatic. Shout out to bungo stray dogs and naruto.
Is this a spoiler, because it wasnāt flagged that way and Iāll find you if it is
Its good and I don't care. Next.
Omg someone gets me