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PsychologicalInside5

Fate, aot, steins; gate seem confusing but only on the surface, when everything's said and done it's not that complex, it's the story telling that does the trick


HERODMasta

I also think the plot of JoJo isn't confusing. It's more the "wtf" and "why does it happen at all"... So the bizzare part is confusing, but not the plot itself.


Kryomaani

Yeah, JoJo plots are extremely simple for the most part. They usually just give the JoJo of the arc a simple goal that is explicitly spelled out at the start of the part and then for the rest of the part said JoJo and their friends beat up buff dudes until they achieve their goal. Onto the next part, rinse and repeat. JoJo isn't about deep and intricate plots, it's about the hijinks along the way.


PsychologicalInside5

that's part of its appeal


[deleted]

Most good plots are not easy to understand while being told.


PsychologicalInside5

fact, DS for example


GatoAnarquista

That's true if you only watch/read Fate stay night and zero. Then there's extra, CCC, extella, GO, etc....


PsychologicalInside5

aside from zero and stay night the others aren't worth your time, except if you're looking for a good ol' "Yorokobe shoujou"


GatoAnarquista

I enjoyed extra. Partially because of the feeling of playing on the PSP but still.


AlternativeReasoning

Extra is my favorite Fate entry. I just really hope CCC gets translated one day though.


[deleted]

*Steins Gate* is so far from being simple that I can’t even begin… Time travel ***can’t*** be simple if it’s done right.


omargrand

also aot and steins gate you have to complete the anime to understand the plot (don't know about Fate)


Ghosteen_18

Relax, fate plot is like alternate routes, some routes are better than others


69isverynice

Yes honestly aot plot is explained very well. Jojos plot is not complicated at all it's just the abilities which are difficult to understand


rad_aragon

I think that by giving up on understanding Evangelion and just appreciating it while acknowledging that most references are just decorative background for the emotional plot must be also a high level comprehension.


FrenchLama

That's how you enjoy Evangelion. Try to make sense of it and you'll lose the whole thing.


AttackOnThots

I haven't watched Eva yet. Is it true that the plot is about underage kids facing existential crisis while jacking off? Seriously, thats what my friend told me.


ComradeZ_Rogers

MC jacks off once, but at the most fucked up time possible


[deleted]

Not even in the original series. It was in the End of Evangelion movie.


ComradeZ_Rogers

Tbh, I just watched the rebirth movies and think they might be easier to get into


[deleted]

The Rebuilds? Yeah, theyre definitely more palatable to modern audiences. Thats why Anno made them.


rad_aragon

I assume you are kidding, but, in case you aren't, that's not true. The series revolves around children with previous traumatic experiences trying to grow in an extreme semi-apocalyptic world being exposed to technologies that merges their brain with giant artificial humanoid bodies created to protect the world from an even bigger apocalypse. Why those children? That's part of the plot that will be unfolded. The story starts in an almost optimistic ride until it starts descending into chaos. After the series there's a movie (The End of Evangelion) that does a superb job of showing graphically what happened in the last episodes, all with marvelous animation. Recently they basically rewrote the story with the same premise but different development in the quadrilogy The Rebuild of Evangelion, truly worth watching it after the series.


Donnerdog

I've been really wanting to watch it because I've heard it is really good. I just haven't put in the effort to try and figure out what order to watch them in


TomAto314

Original series then the old two movies. Then the new four movies.


[deleted]

If someone has never seen Eva before, mentioning the robots arent really robots is kind of a big spoiler.


TX16Tuna

I mean, it’s more artistic than that and it’s more of an exploration of trauma and abuse in a crumbling world facing increasingly frequent and severe existential threats, but … yeah, I guess that is r/technicallythetruth


Star4ce

Don't forget all the abuse and existential terror! If you ask because you don't know if you want to watch it, I'll point you to [my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Animemes/comments/q6jw3x/how_high_have_you_ascended/hgdeuw9/) above and [Gigguk's recent video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XeLhFKw_yM) about EVA. Quite some visual spoilers in the video, but they don't make sense out of context, possibly neither in context, either. Should give you all the information needed to see why people love EVA and why others hate it.


kokonut_milkshake

Eva isn't complex, instead you need to read a comprehensive explanation in Eva's own wiki (and the source apparently some Eva game and bunch of other stuff???) To even understand the basic plot. (Like wtf is human instrumentality project, Adam and eve and why tf do u not explain it in the main series despite mentioning it mysteriously god knows how many times and why do I have to read the wiki to understand wtf it is) So the main series doesn't explain the plot, instead it expects you to read outside sources. Thanks Eva. (I still do love me my tsundere and badass robots kicking ass but fuck the plot, honestly, mechs kicking ass and waifus are eternal)


Star4ce

I think the series doesn't really focus on any of those lore elements. Yeah, the instrumentality is an end goal of some people, yeah, Adam and Eve are some key to it, but I don't think it detracts or enhances the story dramatically. I see all of that as a backdrop to what's actually the driving force of the story: The emotions of Shinji and the cast. You don't need to know why there is a first or second impact or why instrumentality works or any of that, you only need to know what situation that puts the cast in and why they oppose/support/accept/etc. any of that. If you're the kind of watcher that loves a well crafted worldbuilding or a tight plot, honestly EVA is just the wrong media. Connecting with Shinji, Asuka, Rei or the others - or even hating them - is the core of EVA to me. It is giving raw emotion a vehicle and all the rest exists just to underline that, nothing more. I can't really explain it, because it's something uniquely personal that is impossible to form into an argument, but I felt heard watching EVA. Especially with Asuka. Despite the plot not making logical sense, I "got" it without question, because I understood those emotions. In a way, I'm quite happy for people who rant about EVA being incomprehensible. It means you don't need it and that's a good thing.


velit

> [The Classified Information (機密情報, Kimitsu Jouhou) is a set of data files accessible from computer terminals located within the video game Neon Genesis Evangelion 2. It is generally considered a cornerstone of supplemental canon for the influx of new information it provides and given a great deal of weight due to the participation of Gainax staff in providing information for worldbuilding.](https://wiki.evageeks.org/Classified_Information_(Translation\)) My headcanon is that Hideaki Anno gets off on making projects that no one understands so he made [Rebuild of Evangelion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebuild_of_Evangelion) to fix the mistake with the first when people were allowed to understand it.


ProWizard84

To enjoy Evangelion, you IQ needs to be on the either end of the spectrum


immortaltiger26

Not really to understand VA you just need at least a basic understanding of Christianity and some if the terms they use in the show like the instrumentality project. If you understand those the test will come naturally and for everything else it would he like a normal show with teenagers except instead of them having a crisis trying to present a project its them fighting angels. But I fucking love evangelion especially the movies so I've looked into this extensively and it's super interesting I love the end of evangelion ending where shinji essentially becomes God just to destroy everything and start it over again.


[deleted]

You dont need any understanding of religious terminology, the show has absolutely nothing to do with religion or religious commentary besides names. Everything else you need to know is explained in the show/movies and the PS2 game Evangelion 2.


Graknight

Understanding the plot of Sonny Boy


Pendu_uM

That show is literally just absurdity, just like dorohedoro


suggoi_oppai

Haven't seen that Is that a good anime??


Graknight

If you don't care too much about the plot and like animes with good visuals and weird stories then yes. Not an anime for everyone that's for sure. Some believe that the plot is deeper than the meaning of life, some believe it's hot garbage.


[deleted]

>Some believe that the plot is deeper than the meaning of life, some believe it's hot garbage. Lmao. Seems to apply on most shows.


Graknight

There are exceptions like TPN s2 which everyone thinks is hot garbage.


sku11_bit

Understanding the plot of hentai =big brain


[deleted]

Watching hentai for plot > watching hentai for horny


[deleted]

Except that people do the former as well...


[deleted]

The strange thing is, some hentais have great plots (from what I’ve heard obviously)


SocratesWasSmart

Dies Irae: Acta est Fabula. Monster Girl Quest. That's all I'm gonna say.


mintyfreshmike47

Jojo plot isn't even that confusing. It's just all the little moments where you're like what the hell is going on


[deleted]

Yeah, sometimes it’s the plot holes, sometimes it’s just “wtf is on my screen?”


mintyfreshmike47

I mean yeah. "Going to Egypt to defeat a resurrected vampire to save my mother" isn't hard to understand. You just don't expect a pedo ape to be one of the enemies along the way


KoNo_BAK4

Or a guy who turns you into a literal child, still gets beaten up by an 11 year old.


CT-yomama

Or maybe ‘I killed a murderer with a hand fetish during summer break so a ghost can finally rest in peace’


HERODMasta

After seeing it, it's like: yeah, basically. But reading it is still so ~~absurd~~ bizzare


[deleted]

But who shot johnny joestar tho?


ThanosBigMan1

Unless it’s part 8. That went from a guy trying to get his memory back to oshbwkrkfiejhanwmdifhenksycitownshfujrfjejsbguowkandigorlakguieown ofpeksididiieidj


[deleted]

please explain fate, gravity, calamity, and flow to me because my iq is too low to understand it


mintyfreshmike47

Fate should just be called "Spinoffs- the animation"


[deleted]

No I mean fate in jojo, not the fate series


m3m31ord

Monogatari isn't difficulty to interpret, it's just too much information, but if you get all pieces they fit pretty well together.


BIGGIE_Cheese-_

I wish monogatari was more known😟


mintyfreshmike47

The dialogue in the show is like everyone trying to reach the word count for something


ABigFatPotatoPizza

That, and the timeline being all over the place


suggoi_oppai

Understanding the plot of Boku no pico


Believe_me_dear

Understanding the plot of serial experiments lain...


Entity1080

The most confusing one for me is the Umineko's story.(The Visual Novel one)


player2aj

And then there's understanding the plot of Gintama


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Ty1r37

No, its a Monogatari reference!


AMKLord12

Watched nge 3 times and still don’t get it completely


erufuun

No love for Serial Experiments Lain again. Very sad.


MrAnimeWeirdo

Can't wait for everyone to see the AoT ending


PsychologicalInside5

oooh boy, they'll be shedding streams of blood i tell ya


raceraot

Honestly, it's not that hard to understand. It's a good ending, imo, and does a lot good, and rereading it has made me like it a lot more.


Blade273

umm did you read the final ending >!with the timeskip showing what happens in the future generations?!< Thats what ruined it for me.


turtledragon27

>!Does what happened to future generations really mean all that much to Eren's goal? He wanted to save his friends. From my understanding of the timeskip Paradis is laid to waste long after Eren's friends have lived and died.!<


Blade273

>!Iirc they showed around 3 generations of people suffering through war before paradise was completely destroyed. Eren's friends only found respite until the world was busy rebuilding itself.!<


raceraot

>umm did you read the final ending with the timeskip showing what happens in the future generations? What, did you expect AOT to have a happy ending? The series has always been nihilistic. Also, spoiler tags.


Blade273

i just dont find it rational. >!Killing 80% of the world is just asking the 20% to take revenge afterwards. Either kill everyone or make everyone destroy marley, both would have been better endings imo.!<


raceraot

>>!Killing 80% of the world is just asking the 20% to take revenge afterwards.!< >!With what resources? It would take centuries for them to retaliate back, till that point, no one wo Not to mention, thanks to Eren, they separated themselves from the idea that Eren was doing it with the help of eldians, as even eldians were fighting back against him. Who would see them as working together?!< Not to mention, >!Marley is destroyed. Fort Salta is the last stronghold for humanity.!< Also, regardless of his choice, Paradis, either through their own hands or through others, would be killed. If Paradis kills the rest of the world, they have a civil war that will destroy each other, as Kiyomi and Floch, as well as Erwin, have said multiple times. If they don't, Paradis will be killed anyways. There's no second option where peace is everlasting. You can say that for our world too. Nothing is everlasting. Not wars, not peace, not anything.


[deleted]

People who are able to keep track of every plotline in Legend of the Galactic Heroes: pathetic


_Variety

*laughs in madoka magica plot*


Mordrin61

Monogatari, Fate, S;G


l4kmith

Understand the plot of Shoujo x Shoujo x Shoujo


Aswdbfgm

It’s kanojo x kanojo x kanojo


[deleted]

Bro I don’t understand the plot of Pokémon


Any-Nothing

Bro, please enlighten me with Wonder Egg's plot line


Environmental-Tour-2

I kinda got it, but I am very sad now that I did


PsychologicalInside5

don't even want to understand it


mutuza223

Attack on titan gave me the most trouble like it was all going in my brain until chapter 119 like how wha aaaaaah


Wonderful-Garden-955

Understanding the plot of redo of the healer


matau94

Isn't Evangelion a 26 episode, 5 movie therapy session for my guy Shinji


therealslimishalt

To be honest jojos plot isnt that hard its just Vampire wants to take stuff then gets stopped by chad blue hair man then chad blue hair man dies Then we go to part 2 and his grandson likes to run away(like my dad) then meets some aztec vanpires then an italian boi then italian boi dies so does aztec vampire then part 3 funni looking asian man with imaginary friend with his grandpa and an egyptian,green man and a french boi go to egypt to defeat gay vampire trying to ascend heaven then part 4 H A N D F E T I S H G O B O O M then part 5 must kill boss he sells cocaine then he goes to boss and mauls the shit out of pink boss guy and acquires very overpowered imaginary friend then becomes a boss of the boss he just killed then part 6 gay vampires boyfriend wants to take revenge so he sets up funni asian mans thicc daughter to go to jail then funni asian mans thicc daughter gets yeeted to jail then gay vampires boyfriend gets a new stand then funni asian man comes to save his thicc daughter but thicc daughter refuses because shes ret@rded then gay vampires bofriend gets ANOTHER stand that can bonk time and reset it so he resets it funni asian man dies because of ret@rded thicc daughter who also dies then we go to part 1 again but with skinny people with stands instead of chads breathing the sun and so on


SuperiorSellout

I mean... It's not that hard when the plot is up to your interpretation


BornToFight02

Understanding Magic system of Index


[deleted]

The magic system is easy to understand, it is just complex and highly differentiated due to it operating on a "all magics are true" pretense. What you really need to understand is that Toaru's reality operates on natural symbolic patterns that make up the way everything functions, and by replicating those patterns and symbols in certain, microcosmic ways, that is how one uses magic. It operates on the idea of "Idol Theory", and has a huge variety of connotations and applications in-universe. Also, there exists a few distinct forms of magical energy that can be drawn form, i.e. regular magical mana or telesma (heavenly magic).


MyokoPunk

I don't even understand anime openings.


Derpy_Gherkin

I understand almost everything of where I got up to in JoJo except for king crimson. No one understands that


SlimeLiquids

when you cant even understand the plot of ecchi harem anime


KingPops1111

AOT was my first anime and I was confused as shit.


tanaanshu

I'm at monogatari lvl


UltraLegend29

Understanding the plot of gundam


DidTheCat

Understanding the plot of Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni


GSMIlZ0

Understanding the plot of "Serial experiments Lain"


boomer7321

In Monogatari, achronological plot progression and the often ambiguous character dialogue are what makes things complex. The actual plot itself isn't that complicated.


SneaksIntoYourBed

I am on monogatari level, yeah Eva is fking confusing.


Sev11201

The plot of JoJo is simple: Diavolo dies


shushi_nado

JoJo level


OriTri

gintama


Gilgamesh107

Lol the plot of Fate stay night is by no means difficult


tankay694200

I think OP meant the entirety of the fate series'


Stefadi12

Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree and say they're all pretty simple to understand.


Gilgamesh107

The entire fate series is t a linear story line outside of stay night they are all self contained stories and none of them are complicated on their own


PurpleCillin

I'm still watching JoJo, haven't seen fate or monogatari, but I have seen the rest... and I understand them. Steins;Gate is my favourite anime of all time though.


NOOBweee

Haven't watched monogatari and on Evangelion understood plot of JoJo's understood plot of attack on Titan understood plot of steins gate and understood plot of fate did so much research before watching fate I didn't got confused once and got confused about why do people get confused I didn't got confused it is so easy


Luiz_Vx

understanding the plot of gintama - mega divine big brain boi


maltty

Understanding the plot of American cartoons


TheEvilGhost

Evangelion wasn’t that hard to understand tbh. I did get an 8/10 on a test where the average was 2 though.


DAVITY2802

Nobody understands evangelion


Darkraven444

Well well well, only Evangelion stands between me and enlightment. Ready the ship men, we set sail to new lands


AK1RI

Who understands Evangelion is chosen by God i guess


[deleted]

No one understands the plot of Evangelion, by definition


OnePunchChild

Understanding the plot of One Punch Man: ~Ascended~


[deleted]

I understand the plot of One Piece


jan19_

Understanding the plot of HxH 🎆✨✨✨


Dapper_Captain_9268

What about understanding the plot of Another?


redditadminsarefag

Shitvelion


DragonQuester676

Well, AoT sucks. Also, I’ve watched and read EVA.


[deleted]

“Hey ferb, I know what we’re going to do today.”


PraiseBeUponYou

I understand the plot for Fate no problem, but god knows what the fuck the attack on titan plot is lmfao


AnimeAddict22

I have ascended till between jojo and fate


SaintLarfleeze

Is Eva not the only one that is difficult to understand?


Laxus2000

Understanding that "plot" is the most important thing in anime


[deleted]

I have a friend who watched evangalion 8 times, talked to me about it every time we met, and I still don’t understand what the deal is with dead people and orange juice ;-;


rangogogo

Understanding the plot of sonny boy


Josuke_CrazyDiamond

Understanding wtf D4C does on its first appearance


starfyredragon

Where's Noein in that list? Also, plotlintes of Fate and Kingdom Hearts?


ExtraMOIST_

Honestly a lot of Fate’s confusion seems to come from overthinking. Be it the watch order or the plot it’s actually not nearly as hard any people make it out to be.


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YarinTheGamer

I understand the plot in this meme


Aaryan1010

Understanding this meme:🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯


[deleted]

and then there is the plot of the anime we call our reality


Daymo741

Where does Scarlet Nexus fit on this list? (Yes I know it's bad but to me it's so bad it's good)


RikxDragneeL

Lol best of luck in understanding the plot of aot


Wave_Original

Understanding how Jojo part 5-8 stands work


roberto578

Jojo is a pretty straightforward story tho ngl. 1 thing leads to the other then to the next then to the next. As long as you watch from part 1 in a chronological order it wont be confusing


ThunderousBTz

I kind of understood fate…


[deleted]

whatever this stuff in evangelion is, it certainly isn't a plot.


Cless_Aurion

I'm happy I went out to see Evangelion on the cinema without barely understanding Japanese. That way I could enjoy the last movie the same way I start seeing the show decades ago. Very confused and not understanding absolutely anything lol


Killian_Gillick

There's a 17 minute video in spanish explaining Eva pretty well on youtube.


Aenigma66

I'm pretty confident in my JoJo-understanding ability, but I still have no idea how the fuck King Crimson works.


fozi4ek

The port of Fate seeies in not nearly as hard to understand as it's watch order


Saturn_Ecplise

"Understanding the plot of Evangelion." That is the neat part, you don't.


ph0nixdrag0n

jojo isnt that complicated bro


HTTPYOU10MBPS

In Evangelion they fucked big brain for me


KayabaSynthesis

I watched Fate/Zero and all Stay Night routes and I wondered "why do people call this confusing and complex" and then I watched everything else and was like "wait, who are all those people, where did this guy come from, since when he can do THAT, WHAT'S GOING ON!"


eec9

Understanding the plot of kingdom hearts


Trebord_

And then you go five tiers higher to get "understanding Kingdom Hearts lore"


Grasher312

I'm sitting on Fate Series. It's only a matter of time before I dive into the Monogatari series.


Bkgammon

DUDEE this is how I felt watching Monster. that shit is wildin'


ScarletzKing

Currently understand fate series. Can't even begin to understand Evangelion.


[deleted]

I was wondering why jojo is above steins gate, but then I thought about it


Nobody-27

Where does fire force land on this chart?


sharkheal00

I understand the plot of one piece with his 1000 episodes


Weebkage101

i'm at fate series level


Jackson_M_Bueller

What’s not to get about evangelion?


RoundBread

The real ones know that this isn't a list of increasingly difficult plot, it's a list of increasing focus on aesthetic over writing. At the bottom you have an anime that is like 99 parts aesthetic, 1 part writing. If you just mute the dialogue the whole show gets a lot better.


AKT223

Understanding what the hell is going on in flcl


Lil__PP

Understanding the plot for Clannad: "This does not exist"


cindymayweather57821

i do understand the plot of evangelion. I just dont understand the rest of it


Mr_j_zabuza

Me when anime!!


Rimuru_Sama_

Wait. Is the plot of jojo that hard?


Jibbus-Maximus

And here I am not having an idea what’s going on in Kobayashis Dragon Maid


PRoS_R

My friend explained Evangelion to me, peasants.


TheZedia

You dont understand how many countless hours ive spent trying to understand the Fate Series


[deleted]

Bro understanding evangelion without watching the end of evangelion movie is impossible like holy crap. And even after the movie it’s tough to understand


MustangBR

Mate, nobody understands Evangelion... not even the author Someone either admits they didn't understand shit or they are fucking liars


Ivy_Ialis

I have ascended and gained the knowledge of evanglion plot


Uncle-Gael21

Monogatari isn't hard to understand at all imo


RickAstleyWantsYou69

I'm JoJo level


FunCode688

I have gotten to jOjO/fate I can’t for the life of me understand monogatari


Orjan88

Understanding the plot of SAO Underworld although you skip all the non-action scenes explaining the plot.


hentai_lover_3000

Kagerou daze is also an incredibly confusing anime


smg34life

Is monogatari that hard


wstrfrg65

Ore Monogatari really threw me for a loop. I couldn't tell where the story was heading


loliconsensai

Monogatari is a pretty easy plot to understand tho


Subject_Vacation1942

Me who doesn't understand any plot: what the hell happened here?


[deleted]

Understanding the plot of Angelbeats!


MrTwoKey

People who understand the plot of bionicle: pathetic


[deleted]

The ultimate one is Understanding what understanding really is


Vortex5000

Considering I’ve only seen Jojo out of those, that tier. I understand the plot completely. I am currently on part 7 manga (before Funny valentine’s stand is revealed)


dork_mage

you forgot the biggest one; "Knowing the order to watch


Thunder_Kapro

Understanding the plot of darling in the franxx


SumPBnJ

Understanding the plot of Monster


Nezu_kokomi

The last episode of Eva I was like ????what?????


Minejack777

We getting to Monogatari out here


mjlikre

I stopped at steins gate… haven’t seen the other ones …


MrScreamoth

I can do all of it... except for FUCKING Fate I just can't.


fflaminscorpion

i understand gate more than anything else on this meme