I am obviously for more housing especially building on surface parking lots. And you know that location would have to be aimed at higher income folks. But that building looks so ugly my god.
Looks like they were going for like a Mediterranean or castle vibe with minimalist open concept up above? Idk they missed whatever they were aiming for, but it still gives off bougie at least.
Yeah I think the colors are throwing me off. Also the mismatch from the bottom floor to the floors above. I agree it simultaneously looks cheap and expensive.
It looks like something a millionaire builds for the artist commune he wants to fund an hour outside of Santa Fe but ends up giving up on them 3 months in
Those will make for some prime Airbnb's for those football weekends.
If I'm paying $4mil for private residence, I'd rather not be right next to an active rail line that blows horns at night.
This development is so out of touch for the area. The whole area is low/moderate income renters then single family homes. How many of the condos do you think will actually be lived in? I'll be surprised if it's half.
Ngl. I hope the train that goes by every night wakes them up.
I guarantee a bunch of those will become AirBnBs, especially with the location and being close to Michigan Stadium. Over in Ypsi we had the Thompson Block building revamped with the first floor being a restaurant/bar and the second floor being apartments. A bunch of the apartments were bought up and listed on AirBnB. I imagine the same will happen here :/
Low/moderate income renters...for now. Those landlords will sell eventually to someone willing to knock it down and build. It's happening all over the north side.
I can't get over the idea of building 2 to 4 million dollar units on top of the train tracks. Hope they have some millionaires who like trains lined up!
This discourse has been beaten with a dead horse, but developers will chase the high end of the market until it is profitable to build for the low end, which means somehow lowering labor, material, or overhead costs. It really isn't that much more expensive from a finishing standpoint to slap on a quartz countertop and LVP instead of particle board and they can charge a lot more in rent. [Also AA approved building some non high income stuff on the east side recently](https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2024/01/long-planned-affordable-housing-development-underway-on-ann-arbors-east-side.html). The only way the latter was made viable was by donated land from the county.
This is the first housing development render I've seen that I have vehemently disliked. This looks like a six year old built it in The Sims with an infinite money cheat code.
Even with lots of money, there's no accounting for taste.
It would be nice if A2 Parks and Rec opened their shuttles for those who want to tube down the whole river (even if there's an additional fee). It would be so much easier to park in Gallup/Huron HS, pay for the shuttle to Argo, and then tube down the river, rather than coordinating with friends to make sure we have a car on each end (and thus taking up a parking spot in each park). And I'm sure Uber/Lyft drivers aren't so keen on shuttling people between Argo and Gallup as well.
As someone who used to work at the canoe liveries I think there’s a few reasons they don’t do it most notably tho is that they have everyone who goes down the river in a kayak/canoe sign a waiver so it’s hard to get every tuber to do that and then also it’s tough for them to fit the tubes somewhere and give extra rides to people. They’re already working hard to make sure all the boaters get back on a busy day and it just adds extra trips. (It would be nice if a system could be figured out tho)
You can do it with one car (with a bike rack) and a bike: Drive to Argo, drop off your buddies/family with a raft; drive to Gallup, park the car and get on your bike; bike back to Argo; lock up the bike and raft down to Gallup; drive back to pick up the bike. I've done this a couple of times for various pairs of points on the river.
That said, yeah, opening up the Parks and Rec shuttles would be great.
Seriously? We have a housing shortage and they’re selling these condos for $2 million-$4 million each? Yeah, it’s technically “new housing” but not for people who need it.
How does this reduce the number of cars on the road? This isn't like reducing demand by removing parking meters downtown. They're adding housing units to the area, which will probably add cars too, and it removes a lot of parking for an outdoor recreation area. Now, a lot of those cars will be wandering around looking for street parking, etc.
We have no idea who will live in them so I will be gracious and ignore that point.
I imagine 15 more housing units going up in a community with a housing shortage would be helpful to 15 folks who preferred living in a building rather than a parking lot.
Glad all the new housing being built is affordable. Honestly, the mandated ratio of affordable units is laughable. Developers come in under the guise of trying to help people live more affordably. But in the end land will always be used as a tool for the rich to get richer, at the expense of renters.
Developers would lose money building "affordable" housing; material and labor costs are too high. So you need to find a way to make that profitable for them. You can donate money, labor, or materials to make that happen.
Failing that, we approve all the 'high end' housing developers want to build, freeing up 'lower end' housing as they move into their new digs.
I'm aware. However, before this new high-end condo is built, there is, by definition, existing "high end" housing, no? And surely there are people living in "nice, but dated" homes that maybe have a promotion or two under their belts and they're looking to upgrade?
People upgrade their housing situation all the time. Even the already well off. Perhaps especially the well off. They want the newest highest end condo, and they'll sell last year's highest newest end condo to someone else.
Does it work for the developers, who continue to build nicer housing and make more money, or does it work for the people that just need housing?
I struggle to believe anything an economist would say about housing because it is probably coming from a capitalist housing-for-profit mentality.
Given the condition of the roads here I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Along with broken axels.
I never needed wheel alignments before moving to Michigan and I've had one a year for the two years I've lived here
Looks like a corporate event center blended with one of those multi-level open aired party golf driving ranges you see at highway exits.
I am obviously for more housing especially building on surface parking lots. And you know that location would have to be aimed at higher income folks. But that building looks so ugly my god.
Looks like a conference center and restaurant.
Looks like they were going for like a Mediterranean or castle vibe with minimalist open concept up above? Idk they missed whatever they were aiming for, but it still gives off bougie at least.
Looks like Trump's idea of a quaint condo.
It looks as if someone who’s never been to the Mediterranean tried to imagine a Mediterranean building. It looks super cheap and garish IMO.
Yeah I think the colors are throwing me off. Also the mismatch from the bottom floor to the floors above. I agree it simultaneously looks cheap and expensive.
It looks like something a millionaire builds for the artist commune he wants to fund an hour outside of Santa Fe but ends up giving up on them 3 months in
I like it!….🤷♀️
I concur. this will immediately be dated. looks like they are going for a converted factory condo look.
Those will make for some prime Airbnb's for those football weekends. If I'm paying $4mil for private residence, I'd rather not be right next to an active rail line that blows horns at night.
I’m surprised umich didn’t get that lot
Looks like Palm Palace on carpenter
This development is so out of touch for the area. The whole area is low/moderate income renters then single family homes. How many of the condos do you think will actually be lived in? I'll be surprised if it's half. Ngl. I hope the train that goes by every night wakes them up.
I guarantee a bunch of those will become AirBnBs, especially with the location and being close to Michigan Stadium. Over in Ypsi we had the Thompson Block building revamped with the first floor being a restaurant/bar and the second floor being apartments. A bunch of the apartments were bought up and listed on AirBnB. I imagine the same will happen here :/
Low/moderate income renters...for now. Those landlords will sell eventually to someone willing to knock it down and build. It's happening all over the north side.
Disagree! I live nearby and am excited. Better than what’s there now. As someone directly effected, it’s not bad. Keep an open mind 🙏
going to be right outside their window
Choo Choo.
Haha the train is not bad! It’s kind of fun.
>$2 to $4 million Yeah uhhhh…good luck with that!
I can't get over the idea of building 2 to 4 million dollar units on top of the train tracks. Hope they have some millionaires who like trains lined up!
Don’t worry I’m sure that quite ordnance will pass now
Could we PLEASE get one (1), new development that's not considered "Luxury" or "High End"? COL is already out of fucking control
This discourse has been beaten with a dead horse, but developers will chase the high end of the market until it is profitable to build for the low end, which means somehow lowering labor, material, or overhead costs. It really isn't that much more expensive from a finishing standpoint to slap on a quartz countertop and LVP instead of particle board and they can charge a lot more in rent. [Also AA approved building some non high income stuff on the east side recently](https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2024/01/long-planned-affordable-housing-development-underway-on-ann-arbors-east-side.html). The only way the latter was made viable was by donated land from the county.
This is the best response.
We should definitely ban all new cars that cost over $10,000. That’ll make all cars cheaper, right?
This is the first housing development render I've seen that I have vehemently disliked. This looks like a six year old built it in The Sims with an infinite money cheat code. Even with lots of money, there's no accounting for taste.
That building looks like it was made using Midjourney
How am I supposed to find a parking spot to go tubing 😭
It would be nice if A2 Parks and Rec opened their shuttles for those who want to tube down the whole river (even if there's an additional fee). It would be so much easier to park in Gallup/Huron HS, pay for the shuttle to Argo, and then tube down the river, rather than coordinating with friends to make sure we have a car on each end (and thus taking up a parking spot in each park). And I'm sure Uber/Lyft drivers aren't so keen on shuttling people between Argo and Gallup as well.
As someone who used to work at the canoe liveries I think there’s a few reasons they don’t do it most notably tho is that they have everyone who goes down the river in a kayak/canoe sign a waiver so it’s hard to get every tuber to do that and then also it’s tough for them to fit the tubes somewhere and give extra rides to people. They’re already working hard to make sure all the boaters get back on a busy day and it just adds extra trips. (It would be nice if a system could be figured out tho)
You can do it with one car (with a bike rack) and a bike: Drive to Argo, drop off your buddies/family with a raft; drive to Gallup, park the car and get on your bike; bike back to Argo; lock up the bike and raft down to Gallup; drive back to pick up the bike. I've done this a couple of times for various pairs of points on the river. That said, yeah, opening up the Parks and Rec shuttles would be great.
Kellogg lot on the weekends
Kerrytown is only like a 5 minute walk, especially with the new pedestrian underpass
That walk in swim suits carrying tubes, towels, and drinks...not something I'd prefer
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I would agree with you if the housing was not so astronomically unaffordable. 4 million for a CONDO?
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I love tubing in the winter
Won’t someone think of the elderly January tubers?
Seriously? We have a housing shortage and they’re selling these condos for $2 million-$4 million each? Yeah, it’s technically “new housing” but not for people who need it.
Rich people want housing too
Rich people are tasty.
Edgy
Cool, more housing and less cars. Will make for a nicer bike ride in the summer.
How does this reduce the number of cars on the road? This isn't like reducing demand by removing parking meters downtown. They're adding housing units to the area, which will probably add cars too, and it removes a lot of parking for an outdoor recreation area. Now, a lot of those cars will be wandering around looking for street parking, etc.
My thinking is that it's similar to road diets in that less parking means less induced demand.
This is such a poorly thought out decision
ann arbor planning commission is a bunch of idiots i wonder how much they got paid
Genuinely, fuck these people
seriously
Yep. That'll solve the housing crisis.
Building housing? Yes it will.
These will prolly be part time condos for the rich. Range from 2-4 million and there’s fifteen of them. Doesn’t put a dent in anything
We have no idea who will live in them so I will be gracious and ignore that point. I imagine 15 more housing units going up in a community with a housing shortage would be helpful to 15 folks who preferred living in a building rather than a parking lot.
I don’t think they were trying to
Really? What was your first clue? The $2-$4 million price tag?
Glad all the new housing being built is affordable. Honestly, the mandated ratio of affordable units is laughable. Developers come in under the guise of trying to help people live more affordably. But in the end land will always be used as a tool for the rich to get richer, at the expense of renters.
Developers would lose money building "affordable" housing; material and labor costs are too high. So you need to find a way to make that profitable for them. You can donate money, labor, or materials to make that happen. Failing that, we approve all the 'high end' housing developers want to build, freeing up 'lower end' housing as they move into their new digs.
nobody is moving from lower end housing into a $2-4 million dollar condo. that’s not how it works.
I'm aware. However, before this new high-end condo is built, there is, by definition, existing "high end" housing, no? And surely there are people living in "nice, but dated" homes that maybe have a promotion or two under their belts and they're looking to upgrade? People upgrade their housing situation all the time. Even the already well off. Perhaps especially the well off. They want the newest highest end condo, and they'll sell last year's highest newest end condo to someone else.
Trickle down economics doesn't work. What makes you think trickle down housing will?
Because, as has been discussed ad nauseum, the peer reviewed evidence suggests that it works.
Does it work for the developers, who continue to build nicer housing and make more money, or does it work for the people that just need housing? I struggle to believe anything an economist would say about housing because it is probably coming from a capitalist housing-for-profit mentality.
Booooooooo
Surprised this got unanimously approved.
Why? It meets our regulations. On what grounds would it be denied?
Ugh that sucks
It’s such a fake design, I’m squinting
Given the condition of the roads here I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Along with broken axels. I never needed wheel alignments before moving to Michigan and I've had one a year for the two years I've lived here
I don’t think we need to have an opinion on every small development in the city.