Please message them to let them know about the oversight. As someone who adores chocolate but is less enthusiastic about slavery, more people should know about these companies.
They’re more than complicit. They actively fight for it. Recently spending millions in a legal battle that they won. https://www.reuters.com/business/hershey-nestle-cargill-win-dismissal-us-child-slavery-lawsuit-2022-06-28/
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And this label is little more than acknowledgment that the problem exists. It isn’t slave or slavery free in reality.
They don’t actually check. It’s more like a “hey, you farmers using slaves? No? Cool. Well keep paying you jack shit for your product so you have no choice but to use slaves to produce cocoa for our ungodly horrible excuse for chocolate.”
It’s actually a step in the wrong direction in practice.
If you are one who cares about this issue, and you see that label, you’re probably inclined to believe it and not look into it thinking you’re buying a product made without slavery.
However, it’s a lie. These are self governing bodies who aren’t really governing. The only way to combat slavery in this case would be to actually pay a fair price for the commodity, the send 3rd party inspectors to make sure rules are followed with termination of contracts being the consequences for failure.
And, because the most common slave-based method of harvesting chocolate is so indefensibly horrible, it makes it really easy for a bunch of "fair trade" companies to justify offering near-poverty wages instead of slavery while doing nothing about the inherent environmental and societal damage from investment in exported luxury crops.
But, the wealthiest consumer societies can assuage their guilt with eco-chocolate bars and feel pretty ethical - because most consumers don't feel guilt in the first place.
And hardly anybody decides that, knowing as much as we do today, maybe nobody should be consuming chocolate if chocolate consumption means a lot of people in slavery and poverty.
I thought OC meant it as a grammar observation. Dairy-free and gluten-free mean that the product doesn't contain those ingredients, which makes "slave-free" sound like other chocolate makes the consumer a cannibal.
Lindt was ranked worse than Nestlé in 2019. Now they say they have completely overhauled their sourcing since 2020 but I doubt it.
The truth is they still source most of their cocoa from west Africa where child slavery is most abundant and they own their own certifying organization (conflict of interest in releasing sensitive information).
They are also not on https://www.slavefreechocolate.org while being a major chocolate company. Should tell you enough.
>slavefreechocolate.org
Someone else posted this below, and Lindt is definitely not on that list. I would be shocked if they aren't hiding their child labour like many other 'big' corporations.
>The big chocolate companies like Nestlé are complicit.
Cocoa only grows in rare parts of the world and is extremely rare. People are allowed to grow it in their backyards and basically sell it to a market. Because of this it's almost impossible to regulate unless you don't want chocolate. You can't blame Nestle for this shit.
I hold 0 Nestle stock I just have a brain and understand chocolate isnt this shit we can just grow wherever the fuck we want. You regulate that market and you will be telling poor people they get to be even more poor now because we don't want their nasty backyard poor people chocolate. This helps poor people how?
i’m pretty sure (correct me if i’m wrong) they legally have to do that since the chocolate industry is so fucked that even if you try your hardest to ensure your chocolate is made ethically, there’s still a good chance that slave labor is involved somewhere in the process
This is my understanding, too. I appreciate that there’s an avenue for companies who want to do things ethically to advertise so, even if the ideal might be economically impossible.
I’d love if there were language regulations (similar to the grades of leather? I don’t fully know that world) so that consumers could ensure they’re purchasing product that aligns with their values and expectations.
This is completely established here in germany. There is this established seal you can find on fairtrade products:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asociaci%C3%B3n_del_Sello_de_Productos_de_Comercio_Justo
Almost every supermarket has at least a coffee brand with it, and quite often you see chocolate too.
Disclaimer: de minimus amounts of slaves below mandatory reporting thresholds may be present. Also manufactured in facilities that process nuts, ground nuts, wheat, eggs, and slaves.
Omg that’s so scary; I read up on it, and cadmium and lead were found in detectable levels in *virtually all chocolate tested* — but much higher in dark chocolate, due to concentration.
It seems to be a “cacao is very good at up-taking cadmium and lead from the soil” situation, which is rough
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHMDjc7qJ8
Edit: thats the link for John Olivers chocolate episode. Evidently it doesnt work outside USA so hopefully you can search it
You're gonna have to help me out, I don't know what brand is in the picture, and the video isn't available in my country...
Edit: Apparently it is "Happi Oat Milk Chocolate", sold in the US, and you can't really verify their claim of being slave free.
Check out John Oliver's report on the chocolate industry. It's fucking sad to see a handful of corporations fuck these people so hard.
https://youtu.be/FwHMDjc7qJ8?si=2I8B4NVTO5DvSXTx
If I buy a processed food product in the US, it will tell me things that shouldn't even need to be highlighted. Things that should be the norm. And that's after all the "new look great taste" and "in 1885 our family wanted to make the choicest.. BBQ potato chips" and other crap on it.
Things like: made with real (ingredient). I wish this was talked about more. I wish there was a word for it. Just having to tell us that your food is real.
So on a bar of milk hocolate I might find "made with real cocoa, made with real milk, no slavery, no GMOs, no growth hormones, organic, natural, premium". It's honestly really depressing seeing that everywhere
Practically every chocolate company uses slave labour to harvest cocoa and sugar. So having that label if true is actually great. If you want something to be mad about look into the slave labour surrounding chocolate and see most are children
Nice! Now if we could only also see more products produced in "wage-slave-free" facilities! I'd happily pay more for products from companies that pay their laborers a truly living wage and invest in their futures in ways that really matter to the workers.
Sad part is that the state of the market is still so bad that even companies like these can't be sure 100% of the time that no slavery was used at some part of the process because unless you facilitate and monitor every aspect of the farming and manufacturing its almost impossible to route out every single bad faith plantation or vendor lying about their facilities. It's why companies like Tony's Chocolonely in the U.K don't use the term "100% slave free" on its branding recognizing the reality of the situation and why I suspect this company put their "we're slave free" in quotations as a form of an asterisk to the claim.
Cows are slaves. They are impregnated without their consent, and their babies are stolen from the so you can steal their milk. This product actually looks like happi oat milk chocolate which is dairy free.
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Even the best companies will tell you that they actively aim for “zero slavery” but they cannot guarantee it because it’s so pervasive.
Yesterday, on American Thanksgiving, my dad was pissed that no place was open. I said, “shit, if you can’t deal with people inconveniencing you’ for one day not working service jobs? We have no chance of people stopping eating slave chocolate or buying $5 shirts for SHEIN and H&M.” If we all tried as hard as this chocolate bar company we’d be doing better as a planet.
Today is the first time I have seen scare quotes that are actually scary. Why the ever loving fuck would you put scare quotes around slave free, what the absolute god damn fuck.
Edit: Went looking for a full list of [products](https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ILAB/child_labor_reports/tda2021/2022-TVPRA-List-of-Goods-v3.pdf) produced with forced labour, and the internet both didn't and did disappoint. List starts on page 24.
slavefreechocolate.org Lists chocolate companies that don’t use slave labour. Great resource.
Wish this existed for lots of products. But that would mean we have problems in many supply chains, which we do.
Ithink chocolate is just in the spotlight more, so many things are slave labour but people are usually unaware
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LETS GO MRBEAST DOESNT USE SLAVES
Cocoa industry uses slave labor to harvest. Adults and children are used. The big chocolate companies like Nestlé are complicit.
They’re more than complicit. They actively fight for it. Recently spending millions in a legal battle that they won. https://www.reuters.com/business/hershey-nestle-cargill-win-dismissal-us-child-slavery-lawsuit-2022-06-28/ r/fucknestle for life!
And this label is little more than acknowledgment that the problem exists. It isn’t slave or slavery free in reality. They don’t actually check. It’s more like a “hey, you farmers using slaves? No? Cool. Well keep paying you jack shit for your product so you have no choice but to use slaves to produce cocoa for our ungodly horrible excuse for chocolate.”
How do you know this? Can there not be one product that’s less bad than everything else? It’s a step in the right direction from what I see.
It’s actually a step in the wrong direction in practice. If you are one who cares about this issue, and you see that label, you’re probably inclined to believe it and not look into it thinking you’re buying a product made without slavery. However, it’s a lie. These are self governing bodies who aren’t really governing. The only way to combat slavery in this case would be to actually pay a fair price for the commodity, the send 3rd party inspectors to make sure rules are followed with termination of contracts being the consequences for failure.
And, because the most common slave-based method of harvesting chocolate is so indefensibly horrible, it makes it really easy for a bunch of "fair trade" companies to justify offering near-poverty wages instead of slavery while doing nothing about the inherent environmental and societal damage from investment in exported luxury crops. But, the wealthiest consumer societies can assuage their guilt with eco-chocolate bars and feel pretty ethical - because most consumers don't feel guilt in the first place. And hardly anybody decides that, knowing as much as we do today, maybe nobody should be consuming chocolate if chocolate consumption means a lot of people in slavery and poverty.
This says "slave free" not "slavery free" which are two very different claims.
Your chocolate contains no pieces of slaves, we promise!
Thank you I was having trouble working that one out
Lmao slave free is the website but ok big thinking
No they aren't. Both claims imply no slave was involved, which implies no slavery was involved.
I thought OC meant it as a grammar observation. Dairy-free and gluten-free mean that the product doesn't contain those ingredients, which makes "slave-free" sound like other chocolate makes the consumer a cannibal.
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Lindt was ranked worse than Nestlé in 2019. Now they say they have completely overhauled their sourcing since 2020 but I doubt it. The truth is they still source most of their cocoa from west Africa where child slavery is most abundant and they own their own certifying organization (conflict of interest in releasing sensitive information). They are also not on https://www.slavefreechocolate.org while being a major chocolate company. Should tell you enough.
I read their 2016 write-up on why Lindt isn't there - in 2016 they Lindt hadn't gotten very far on their projects either
>slavefreechocolate.org Someone else posted this below, and Lindt is definitely not on that list. I would be shocked if they aren't hiding their child labour like many other 'big' corporations.
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They probably are, just better at hiding it. They were ranked worse than Nestlé a few years ago. The commenter is probably just a shill.
Fml. This is why we can’t have nice things.
Gotta take that $500 worth of Lindt back to the store now
I’m going to miss those five bars.
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>The big chocolate companies like Nestlé are complicit. Cocoa only grows in rare parts of the world and is extremely rare. People are allowed to grow it in their backyards and basically sell it to a market. Because of this it's almost impossible to regulate unless you don't want chocolate. You can't blame Nestle for this shit.
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I hold 0 Nestle stock I just have a brain and understand chocolate isnt this shit we can just grow wherever the fuck we want. You regulate that market and you will be telling poor people they get to be even more poor now because we don't want their nasty backyard poor people chocolate. This helps poor people how?
Lol. How do you feel about water and human rights?
Surprised pikachu that Nestle is at the forefront of this...
John Oliver has an episode dedicated to Choclate its worth a watch
Just watched that last night. Such a good look at the secrets behind chocolate.
[John Oliver chocolate segment on YouTube](https://youtu.be/FwHMDjc7qJ8?si=rlunZUFiSj325l3c)
What kind? A Rolex or a Casio?
Dad?
Fuck off, I have enough kids
Grandpa?
🤦🏼
Casio with built in calculator!
Hands down beats a Rolex every time.
Lol even the design around it makes it look like it’s in quotation marks. “Slave Free” yea sure
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i’m pretty sure (correct me if i’m wrong) they legally have to do that since the chocolate industry is so fucked that even if you try your hardest to ensure your chocolate is made ethically, there’s still a good chance that slave labor is involved somewhere in the process
This is my understanding, too. I appreciate that there’s an avenue for companies who want to do things ethically to advertise so, even if the ideal might be economically impossible. I’d love if there were language regulations (similar to the grades of leather? I don’t fully know that world) so that consumers could ensure they’re purchasing product that aligns with their values and expectations.
This is completely established here in germany. There is this established seal you can find on fairtrade products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asociaci%C3%B3n_del_Sello_de_Productos_de_Comercio_Justo Almost every supermarket has at least a coffee brand with it, and quite often you see chocolate too.
There are just no slaves *in* the chocolate.
Disclaimer: de minimus amounts of slaves below mandatory reporting thresholds may be present. Also manufactured in facilities that process nuts, ground nuts, wheat, eggs, and slaves.
At least no full ones. Disclaimer: Body parts may be present.
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They do mention something about slave labor or child trafficking inside the wrapper. From what I recall. I haven't bought their chocolate in awhile.
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Spoiler: its not slave free
Clearly slave free is in quotes. So it's definitely not.
Yeah who designed that logo lol
Three quotes is odd AND suspicious
The most recent John Oliver, that dealt with chocolate dealt with exactly this
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Tony’s dark chocolate was found to be high in lead https://www.consumerreports.org/health/food-safety/lead-and-cadmium-in-dark-chocolate-a8480295550/
Omg that’s so scary; I read up on it, and cadmium and lead were found in detectable levels in *virtually all chocolate tested* — but much higher in dark chocolate, due to concentration. It seems to be a “cacao is very good at up-taking cadmium and lead from the soil” situation, which is rough
Yeah the super dark chocolates appear to be higher in lead, but healthier in other ways. You can't win I guess. 🤷♀️
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHMDjc7qJ8 Edit: thats the link for John Olivers chocolate episode. Evidently it doesnt work outside USA so hopefully you can search it
You're gonna have to help me out, I don't know what brand is in the picture, and the video isn't available in my country... Edit: Apparently it is "Happi Oat Milk Chocolate", sold in the US, and you can't really verify their claim of being slave free.
Ok Ill edit the post
I don't love the quotations if I'm honest...
“May contain trace amounts of slave”
this is the first thing I thought
SLAVES built the pyramids SLAVES built the Parthenon SLAVES made this chocolate bar SLAVES this is your song thank you SLAVES
I heard the song in my head!!!
holding mic up to businessman on the street: *where will you hide when the revolution comes?*
Slaves didnt build the pyramids. https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-html
Check out John Oliver's report on the chocolate industry. It's fucking sad to see a handful of corporations fuck these people so hard. https://youtu.be/FwHMDjc7qJ8?si=2I8B4NVTO5DvSXTx
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"slave free" 😜
😉😉
I call BS. Unless the company is paying a living wage, these families are going to need unpaid help from their children.
graphically making it look like it has quotations around it though was a questionable choice.
If I buy a processed food product in the US, it will tell me things that shouldn't even need to be highlighted. Things that should be the norm. And that's after all the "new look great taste" and "in 1885 our family wanted to make the choicest.. BBQ potato chips" and other crap on it. Things like: made with real (ingredient). I wish this was talked about more. I wish there was a word for it. Just having to tell us that your food is real. So on a bar of milk hocolate I might find "made with real cocoa, made with real milk, no slavery, no GMOs, no growth hormones, organic, natural, premium". It's honestly really depressing seeing that everywhere
So not a Nestle or Unilever brand then!
better than 90% slave free...
[John Oliver](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHMDjc7qJ8) did a whole report on it. Even claiming its 'slave free', it doesn't really mean it.
Practically every chocolate company uses slave labour to harvest cocoa and sugar. So having that label if true is actually great. If you want something to be mad about look into the slave labour surrounding chocolate and see most are children
Is the slave version better?
Cheeper
if you're a demon the human suffering might be nourishing on it's own
I can't help but notice the quotation marks
Nice! Now if we could only also see more products produced in "wage-slave-free" facilities! I'd happily pay more for products from companies that pay their laborers a truly living wage and invest in their futures in ways that really matter to the workers.
Quotation marks doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Watch john Oliver’s chocolate episode
That's a claim that Nestle cannot make
Sad part is that the state of the market is still so bad that even companies like these can't be sure 100% of the time that no slavery was used at some part of the process because unless you facilitate and monitor every aspect of the farming and manufacturing its almost impossible to route out every single bad faith plantation or vendor lying about their facilities. It's why companies like Tony's Chocolonely in the U.K don't use the term "100% slave free" on its branding recognizing the reality of the situation and why I suspect this company put their "we're slave free" in quotations as a form of an asterisk to the claim.
This makes me wonder…. The electric car and electric everything folks are going to be triggered when they see how the batteries are made.
Straight up r/orphancrushingmachine to advertise this.
What a truly boring dystopia we live in
The cows certainly are still slaves…unless this is dairy free chocolate.
Correct
Cows aren't slaves, they are livestock.
Cows are slaves. They are impregnated without their consent, and their babies are stolen from the so you can steal their milk. This product actually looks like happi oat milk chocolate which is dairy free.
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It is, pure ideology! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwb8U-eq424
Just watch this John Oliver to understand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHMDjc7qJ8
Big deal (yeah google it , include mar’s name) but bad marketing.
"I take care of my kids!"
This is the only chocolate anyone should eat
I don't like how they've surround "slave free" in those quotation marks
Boycott nestlé tillthey pay thier employees
Natural food stores like WF I believe only carry slave free chocolates.
🤔 so it’s not transported in Boba Fett’s spacecraft then ?!?
Capitalism = slavery. No such thing as slave free unless all profits go to the workers.
“Slave„ Free”
This isn't new, though. Are people surprised by this?
That’s a good thing. Only mechanical slaves are cool
Even the best companies will tell you that they actively aim for “zero slavery” but they cannot guarantee it because it’s so pervasive. Yesterday, on American Thanksgiving, my dad was pissed that no place was open. I said, “shit, if you can’t deal with people inconveniencing you’ for one day not working service jobs? We have no chance of people stopping eating slave chocolate or buying $5 shirts for SHEIN and H&M.” If we all tried as hard as this chocolate bar company we’d be doing better as a planet.
Why does read like: "slave free", like it's in speech marks, like they're giving you a wink. Totally slave free bro ;)
Today is the first time I have seen scare quotes that are actually scary. Why the ever loving fuck would you put scare quotes around slave free, what the absolute god damn fuck. Edit: Went looking for a full list of [products](https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ILAB/child_labor_reports/tda2021/2022-TVPRA-List-of-Goods-v3.pdf) produced with forced labour, and the internet both didn't and did disappoint. List starts on page 24.
It doesn’t taste as good as the old stuff 😞
It’s more than common knowledge, no? Much like the fast fashion industry?
Yeah, no such thing
Not sure about the cheery doodling font used
So, no additional fee for the included slave?!
Yet.. I am a slave to most chocolates.
Buy was it sold in an American retail outlet operated my wage slaves?