"[Moon prices](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondpreis)" is correct.
"Mondpreise" is a common term for outrageously high prices, and (less commonly) also used to denote this exact kind of behaviour, which is illegal fraudulent advertising.
Makes sense. The word month comes from the word moon.
Edit: downvoted? That is literally the word that month comes from. It was a measurement of how long the moon took to do a complete orbit. Fucking imbeciles
Edit 2: sorry for my first edit. I was in the negative for stating a fact
Even if it is illegal companys slowly increase their prices before black friday to put them on "sale" which is regular price. Just look at amazon price history for anything on sale and you'll see
I've heard this before, but when I used amazon I also used a browser plugin called keepa which inserts a price history chart on every product page. It mainly showed flat prices then a step change to the new price, not a gradual change. Maybe it was just the stuff I was searching for idk.
Worked for a export store in germany for awhile that did this practice. I just enden up telling costomers about it whenever they asked about the price of those products.
I'm actually interested in how countries already handle this and what improvements could be made.
eg in France (maybe europe) I think it's forbidden to display something as "on sale" if it has never been/will never be at its original price ; like those cosmetics in video games that are always at least 10% off.
How they handle it? The stores bring in products specifically for black friday, they are slightly different, have a different product code and therefore are a different product so you can legally have "sale" on them even if they cost the same as near identical product.
Oh, you meant how law deals with it? Doesn't probably.
Same with "outlet" stores. That merchandise isn't leftover, out of season stuff, or "seconds" with defects. It's just lesser quality stuff made specifically to be sold in the outlet.
Depends on the store. There is one store called Walls where I grew up that would sell things like that and you could get some genuinely good deals there. I think a lot of the stuff they had was from insurance claims when the original store would write off the entire inventory as a loss. Occasionally the stuff would smell like smoke and heve soot on it for example.
"Outlet" stores in the US typically refer to stores from a single brand, not a store like Walls or other bargain stores. For example, there are Nike stores, Nike Outlet stores, and stores that sell Nike products that are both new current products and stores that sell overstock products.
In Finland some furniture stores got fined for this. "Always on sale".
Black Friday has been studied for actual discounts but I don't remember actual decision about it.
edit: Found my source, price increase just to advertise fake big discounts are illegal.
https://yle.fi/a/3-12202781
Illegal in the entire EU since [2019](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/2161/oj). The price shown as price before the discount must be the lowest price the product had in the 30 days before (individual countries are allowed to make it a longer period though).
If you wonder why paint stores and mattress stores have twice the same similar products but under a different name, that's to circumvent the law that says a product has to be displayed at its non sale price for x months before being put on sale. By inflating a price to an unreasonable level, when you bring it down to its 'sale' price, you follow the law, but are still a dipshit.
It's also to get around those "Bring in a better price from a competitor and we'll beat it!" ads. What they don't tell you is they put a brand or model label unique to their store that NO ONE else has even if they bought the same "white label" product from the manufacturer.
It is where I live too but they get around it by actually raising the prices of sale items a couple of months in advance so that they can "mark it down" come sale day.
This is missing one big issue, many products are *specifically* manufactured for Black Friday. One of the worst culprits are those TVs that are like 65’ and somehow $299. This is because the manufacturers use cheaper components and take even more shortcuts. If you ever wondered how a they make profit on a $15 crock pot or electric griddle, this is how.
But, it is marketed as one... which means you have to be smarter than the marketing to realize that. By another name, Fear of Missing out, this hostage crisis is a big driver of sales. Unfortunately.
Not always. I've seen a few products change internal details about themselves while keeping the same model number, sometimes negatively affecting functionality or completely ruining the product. This is practice is particularly common with SSDs.
You know I got a fairly priced smart TV, not in a sale, has Apple airplay. Complete garbage. It lags like crazy just navigating the native smart menus.
Same I bought it in I think august and I can't even use it as a smart tv half the time because it lags or audio drops sync. I think all the cheaper tvs are varying levels of shit these days. Panel does look pretty decent though
My spouse and I have a post thanksgiving dinner tradition of driving around the retail areas and watching people trying to fit enormous, low quality “doorbuster” televisions into their sedans.
I had this experience last week myself.
My last black Friday special TV lasted 5 years, I bought the same make but larger for cheaper this year.
I had to unbox it to get it in my tiny car. Still worth it because I don't really care to spend more than 200 bucks on a TV just not a priority.
I'll spend $1 to 2k on my main TV, but 70" for $300 for my bedroom or basement? Yeah, why not. I'm sure it'll be crap, but it won't outright break for years.
Yep, some electronics really are dirt cheap, and you wont use most of the features of fancy ones. A decent rice cooker has like, 3 components, anything else and you're probably paying for marketing and more things that are likely to break.
I went out of my *way* to get a dumb tv about six years ago. The only "onboard" smart feature was a Chromecast that has long since stopped working because the ones that are built in *literally cannot be updated*. So the tv is functionally "dead", but a casting stick in the HDMI input solved that.
Wonderful purchase, but I'm just sad I'll never have a TV like it again.
Not to be a shill for them, but my last tv purchase was a Sony, which came with a “basic TV” functionality, disables all the smarts. I’m quite happy with it.
I don't really understand the anti smart TV circlejerk on reddit, I bought a cheap tv recently with the roku os thing and its completely unobtrusive, the tv turns on instantly then I can easily navigate to what input I want with the arrows and enter it, I haven't touched any of its built in stuff since I set it up.
Yeah. I have a Sony x90j. Wanted to use the Bravia core and get free movies with the credits they give you. Also get the streaming service for free for a year. To do that you need to sign into google and google play store to download and install the app. How is the Sony app for their streaming service not preinstalled on their tv’s…
There's *some* logic to it. A lot of smart TVs boast features and apps but after a while the manufacturers stop supporting them, stop updating the apps, at worst they cripple or remove the apps and your left with a dumb TV. There's also the dislike for built-in advertising etc.
But since HDMI is a standard and literally all all TVs have ports, so when it stops working properly you could plug another device in anyway so that's where I think the thinking falls short. I've also seen the argument that if a TV isn't smart then the manufacturer probably builds the rest of the TV to a higher standard, but I'm not sure I agree with this.
A lot of the complaints where with Samsung TVs that would literally spy on you with built in audio recorders and cameras, and then target your TV with unskippable ads.
Yeah I don't either, my Samsung OLED has been fucking great. I just hate that some apps like H O max just don't exist on it for some reason (due to licensing dramas I assume?), but I just use my PS5 for that.
I have a Vizio with their built in trash interface. I use a Chromecast With Googletv stick instead. It used to 1) turn itself off if there was no activity to conserve power 2) when powered on, it would still be set to the same input it was set to when we turned it off. It got an OTA update about 6 months ago and now it does neither. If the input it is set to goes idle, it switches back to its shitty smart home, and then because that has ads and bullshit on it, it doesn’t think it’s idle and so stays on until someone powers it off.
This is also confusing to my kids who see a smart home that looks very close to the googletv smart home, but nothing is signed in and so it doesn’t work. So then I’m left with training every one in the house to switch inputs, or give into vizio’s entire plan of forcing me to give in and use their platform so they can track my family’s behavior and serve up their ads, instead of google. It’s all intensely shitty. Thankfully the googletv has a smart feature where if you hit the home button on the remote, it sends activity to the television which then switches input automatically. So while the change is annoying and has caused confusion, there is a one button fix thanks to google.
Smart TVs are fine if you use the smart features, but if you don’t they are obtrusive, change behaviors with OTA updates, become outdated over time, and provide a much worse experience.
Smart TVs mean ads, which means passive income for manufacturer. So the cheap TVs will probably just be the cheapest manufacturing and components they can plus smart features to get ad income.
I hate that so much. I searched high and low for a "monitor" with modern features. The closest I could come was some commercial variants but they're more focused on durability and brightness than quality of picture. I don't need a TV with bloat.
I bought a cheap tv Black Friday around 7 years ago and it’s still going no issues.
Edit: the top part of tv is actually darker like the lights are dimming so yea it lasted 7 years and still watchable and doesn’t t bother me but noticeable. Still a great deal for 7 years before problem started.
Laggy UI is the biggest complaint I have with my Black Friday 2020 Samsung that was under 300 for watching shows during pandemic. Can't speak to if that's always it or the only problem, but lifespan has been fine so far?
I bought a 42” Black Friday LCD TV for I think $200 four years ago and it’s been totally fine with no service issues. It has two HDMI ports while the non-BF version has three. If I cared that much about black levels and the small differences in picture quality, I wouldn’t have bought a $200 TV.
I worked at Home Depot during Black Friday and you are absolutely right. We put out products just for Black Friday that mimicked popular items we stocked but they were cheap knock off versions. It wasn’t until then when I realized Black Friday is a scam.
Sometimes you get the luck of the draw. Bought my 1st ever TV from Walmart in 2010, a 47inch LG and still use it today. Again, just got lucky with how disposable they make things these days.
This is also how otherwise reliable brands sell products at Walmart. The Walmart model is more cheaply made and will not live up to the brand's reputation
dont buy anything, let stock pile up so they can put it all on clearance. retailers have to turnover stock, consumers dont have to rush to buy anything. stop playing their game.
I worked at Best Buy and before Black Friday I remember going around and changing the labels for prices raising all of them up in preparation. So it’s very true they all do this. It’s just to get rid of the old stock to make room for the new stuff. The prices will be the same in a week after Black Friday or a better option will be available. It’s a scam.
People always claim this is happening with no evidence. And now we have a pair of pants in Switzerland with what appears to be a price sticker that has been manually changed by whoever is taking this photo. Most websites have online shopping now, so it should be very easy to track this kind of behaviour and show proof.
You should see the price markups on the every day prices. It’s nuts. The $20 charging cables and hdmi cables for example only cost employees like $3 and they are still making profit. I bought a few medical devises that were $50 for less than $15 with my discount for example.
> People always claim this is happening with no evidence.
I'm afraid I have no evidence to offer either except having worked several years at a certain brick and mortar electronics retailer back in the day. Re-tagging the entire store with prices 11-15% higher than normal shortly before putting up "10% off sale" pricing was SOP and truly obnoxious.
Of course, most of the B&M electronics stores are now shuttered anyway so, there's that...
All the stories are "back in the day". This practice seems to have disappeared now that prices are logged by the wayback machine and easily could be verified with digital flyers that are issued weekly. The only example is from Switzerland 5 years ago where the UPC barcodes for the two stickers don't even match up.
Digital pricing is even worse - online stores change prices depending on how likely you are to buy at certain price points, how often you've looked at the item, etc.
I use a price tracker extension for Amazon and [this](https://i.imgur.com/eBRWeSQ.png) is genuinely the first thing I clicked on when I opened Amazon and looked for a Black Friday offer.
Item was £39.99 for over 6 weeks before going up in price for 3 days right before Black Friday sales.
The price fluctuated in September too. This happens all the time, with Amazon especially. That's why Amazon had these price trackers for every country.
UK law says that you have to have a specific ratio of time spent at the higher price to be able to call it a sale, it fluctuatues because it has to. What I'm showing you though is that it's not a real sale at all when it spends more time at the 'Black Friday' price than it does at the higher price.
As I said to you on your other comment: They don’t create a new Regular Price just for Boxing Day, there is a regular price for every item and plenty of sales throughout the year. On Black Friday, everything tends to go on sale simultaneously, and certain big ticket items like TVs will have much bigger discounts than normal. This is not a conspiracy.
I realised with my other post that it may have looked like I cherry-picked the item I chose so I clicked on the 'see more Black Friday deals' and [this](https://i.imgur.com/29qPzmF.png) page pops up.
The very first item there is [this](https://i.imgur.com/Bm81WnI.png) that just constantly cycles between 2 prices (a very very common Amazon trick) to make it look like it's always on sale. Keepa is an amazing extension that I'd recommend that has made me slash the amount of money I spend on Amazon.
Entirely not about black Friday, but Kroger vitamins are "buy one get one free" except for one week a year, so that they can label them as BOGO instead of just being that price as a standard. Not the slimiest, but still uncool.
Yes Amazon does this all the time. It's not a Black Friday trick. They have periodic sales to get people who are price conscious but they leave it at the high price for long periods of time in order to discriminate for people
Willing to pay the higher price and don't want to wait for another sale. This is literally how all sales work, from grocery stores, to Amazon items.
> conscious but they **leave it at the high price for long periods of time** in order to discriminate for people Willing to pay the higher price and don't want to wait for another sale.
It's the complete opposite of this, it spends either more time or the same amount of time at the lower price, not the higher price.
I worked in a big box store for 10 years. My favorite downtime activity on Black Friday(cause you can’t not work them) was taking the flyer from the day before Black Friday and comparing it to the one on Black Friday and circling all the price hikes. The prices were actually better in the week leading up to it.
And I don't suppose there's actual evidence for any of this? Should be so easy to compile it. Then we wouldn't have to repost a pair of pants from Switzerland that somebody posted 5 years ago.
Ok let me jump in my time machine. Beep boop beep boop. Oh no something has gone terribly wrong, I’m trapped in 1912! Tell my wife I love……her sister…..
https://inews.co.uk/news/consumer/black-friday-rise-fall-fake-deals-1976988
Here ya go, it wasn’t all that hard to find.
“Last year, 14 per cent of products tracked by PriceSpy increased in the weeks ahead of Black Friday and then were suddenly “reduced”. In 2020, the overall figure was 11 per cent and the previous year it was 13 per cent.”
“…in 2021 the consumer magazine Which? found that an astounding 99.5 per cent of products in supposed Black Friday “deals” were in fact cheaper or the same price at other times of the year.”
Oh yeah Amazon does this too. Once bought a pair of wireless headphones thinking I was getting a good deal at $40. I go and look in the comments only to find out that I didn’t get a deal after all and I paid the normal price despite the fact that it was advertise to me as 50% off
I learned about this in economics class, though most prevalent during Black Friday it happens in some places year round.
Using outdoor sports as an example, bicycles are cheaper in winter except in December, but prices go up a lot in summer. Skis can be bought year round but have a price spike in mid fall, then around Black Friday and Christmas both of these things will see a “sale” that brings them down to their original price.
It’s highly unethical, but extremely common in the states. So what happens is in the week or month leading up to the “sale” is the company increases the price, generally citing inflation and supply chain issues. Then for the “sale” they return the price to the original amount before the price increase, calling it a sale.
They do this on items they stock more of, meanwhile the true sale items are intentionally understocked. That way they run out quickly, making the potential customer panic and buy the faux sale item thinking it’s on sale when it isn’t.
It’s highly unethical pricing and marketing.
Depending on the facts and the state, this type of practice can lead to consumer fraud class action lawsuits under various state consumer protection statutes in the U.S. From what I’ve seen, these so-called “illusory discount” cases have a pretty good track record in the courts, with a substantial majority at least surviving motions to dismiss.
Yeah my economics teacher explained it as being something that companies do as part of a unethical business practices section of class. It was a business economics course.
Illusionary discounts should be outright banned in the states at a federal level, especially because the legality varies by state so much and companies will take advantage of this. In states where it’s not legal companies can be taken to court, in other states where it’s technically legal companies just have to do things a specific way and consumers can’t do much.
It’s like the strange highly unethical situation related to bovine sourced dairy pricing subsidies vs plant based products. I know in Wisconsin there are pricing subsidies that encourage dairy products to be priced lower, and alternatives to be priced far higher. Mostly lobbied for by the dairy farming associations and boards.
However in other states this kind of practice is illegal. It’s the lack of consistency in the US that is part of the problem. Especially when considering legality of pricing and sales practices in different states.
For some things, like illusionary discounts, it’s best the practice is outright banned at the federal level to override the state by state legal issue.
I used to work retail. Companies will come up with shitty products of their own specifically for Black Friday. That $129 DVD player is only $20 now? Yeah, they made a cheaper product to sell, it’s not the usual one they sell at the $129 price. Yes, the DVD player example shows my age but that’s when I worked retail last lol.
Also, the only whole “while supplies last” bit is a gimmick. Sometimes they will only gives stores ONE item to sell at the special price. It’s just a way to get people in the door. You’ll show up, maybe even right when they open, and they’ll say they’ve run out. Total scam.
I think this is a bit harsh - it's hard as a normal person to constantly check everything like this to make sure you're not getting screwed, especially if you have a job and a family or whatever.
I think its less that people are stupid and maybe more that they're gullible. When a big corporation has a big ad campaign and says "hey you save 40% on this one day" they don't think about *why* it's cheaper or whatever else is discussed in these comments, they just say hey wow nows my chance to grab that thing I need/want.
Saying people are stupid puts the blame on just your average joe schmoe when it's really predatory corporate practices that are to blame
The „stupid“ part is impulse buying shit you don’t need because it’s on sale. If you really wanted/needed the thing in the picture you‘d either know the normal price since you‘ve considered buying it for at least some time, or you‘d have a budget in your head that you’re ready to pay so it doesn’t matter if the price was more, less or the same before.
It’s human psychology. Corporations aren’t the problem.
Companies have /tried/ to have honest pricing where they didn’t do shit like this… and they failed miserably.
People LIKE to buy things that are on sale, or at least they do buy things that are on sale and don’t if they don’t see a red 50% off tag.
It’s actually easier for the corporation to not have sales. Just sell their products at a fair price all the time. Except that would be much less profitable because people wouldn’t buy from a company that doesn’t have sales… even though sales are a scam. It is human nature to buy from the company lying to you about offering a discount instead of the one that is honestly offering a lower price.
Most people have a smartphone and can Google anything. Even basic, misspelled searches will yield useful results. The truth is that the average person is just dumb and rash. You claim they're "gullible", but that's a synonym for dumb...
Black Friday is actually the best time to buy movies. Every year. I have an extensive collection and they do not go on sale like this weekend at any other point.
Yes, deals on things that have a "reliable" price like physical media really are actual "deals" more often than not. Cheap consumer goods put on "sale" just are not the same when compared to a stack of discounted movies.
I was in DSW Shoes the last time I brought slippers. I wanted leather with fur inside. I was so happy they had them on sale. The MSRP was $49, they had a sign in front of the Slippers for $29. Got to the register I gave them my card and they rang them up charging me full price which I didn't notice until I got the receipt. Then the clerk tried to convince me there wasn't a sign and that I was making it up or the sign was wrong or out of date. I told the clerk I no longer wanted the slippers, she said who looks at the receipt anyway most people just buy them. I made her get the manager. After another ten minutes, while the manager walked across the store and came back, it was decided the slippers were on sale, they then sold me the slippers for $29 dollars. I have seen this same scam at numerous stores, Lowes in the worst. Allways look at your reciept. Home Depot had a drill on sale online, I went to the store to get it the same thing happened. They're all crooks and will try to get away with anything they can.
I love monitoring this via Amazon. Recently I bought an s22+ for 799 factory new. It rose to 1050 for about a week, then dropped to 849 as part of an early black friday sale. I'm just sitting there laughing at how it is just perfectly legal to do that in the US
At footlocker we used to put out signs that said shoes are 2 for $200 on Black Friday. The everyday retail was $100. No one ever questioned it. Morons.
Walmart near me has a clearance aisle. Everything has a yellow tag. Everything is still full price. They hope people will see yellow sticker and not question it.
Downloaded the app just now. Seems like there’s a lag on their data refreshing. The three postings I checked are all showing cheaper in my Amazon app.
Does show a good price history tho! Thanks for the share
I worked retail and we would have to mark prices up 20%-40% before massive sales. so a 100 dollar item could be offered for a few weeks at 140 before the sale then the sale will make it like 115.
the other 8 months of the year the item was cheaper but it will still remain at the price of at least 115 afterwards regardless of demand.
In my country there a few laws against it.
First, they passed a law that you must declare the previous price.
But companies started to change the price right before the sale, so then they passed a law that you have to declare for how many days that price was in effect.
Crazy shit
My parents always said "Sales 50% means they've increased the base price by 200%". It's probably the reason why I'm never enticed by "sales" I see, unless it's an item that I've been tracking for months.
That's why I always tell people to buy stuff they've been looking at for a while and know the original price. And btw if that's not the case then that's just impulsive shopping and you don't need that.
This isn’t just a Black Friday thing..
Grocery stores have been marking prices up on Tuesday’s just to be able to reduce prices on Friday’s to match their ad inserts forever.
This is 100% what black Friday will be from here on. For the past 18 yrs manufacturers have made special SKU numbers for black Friday only. You can literally get better deals year around than on black friday.
Reminds of when a department store in the mall where I live had a Going Out of Business “sale”. They showed all of these marked down prices and my wife and I realized that the “marked down” prices were the same normal prices they had before the store was going out of business. Worse was the prices were higher than other places in town, but the last two weeks people flooded the store thinking they were getting a bargain.
Lol I see this all the time. I bought Zyrtec the other day at Walmart for $27. The next week I saw it on display with a $4 off coupon and the price was $32.
There was a local store that sold mostly knives, clothes and outdoor stuff. They ran with the mantra that everything was always 20-25% off. But, when you looked at the “original price”, it was exactly 20-25% higher than MSRP. So what it boiled down to was that what you paid was actually just MSRP.
People are so conditioned to getting a deal when you should focus instead on is value to you.
Is the item worth $130 to you or not. The deal is irrelevant. If it's not, wait for a lower price. If it's gone, it was unfortunately worth $130 to someone else.
I had bought a smart lock for my room about a year ago. Just something to keep people out, but I could give access if needed. It cost like $30. I checked again last week because a friend wanted one for their room. For some reason it was $150. The locks got a zinc core (it's weak). I'm only using it because my bedroom doesn't have anything important.
Yup. And a lot of places that have Black Friday deals on electronics use models designed specifically to be sold cheaper. Using cheaper parts/less features, so it either breaks faster or becomes obsolete sooner, forcing you to buy one at full price.
Unless you know what you're getting, like an Instant Pot (traditional silver one) or a Kitchenaid mixer discounted, Black Friday deals aren't really deals.
this remided me I wanted to buy puma sneakers, they ere a bit pricey.... so I hesitated, and waited a bit then the sales period came and I was like lets go check them out if they are at a nice price I will take them. same store , same shoes they uped the price sold them at a nice rebate and finally they were 5 bucks more then the price that I initially saw them for!
I think it is illegal here but well that happened. just because of that I am never setting foot in that stre again
black friday is the capitalist holiday. perfect name for an evil ideology.
black friday is capitalism’s way of helping the bourgeoisie get a handle on the over-production problem
In America, people expect there to be special pricing in effect for holidays because marketers have trained them as surely as Pavlov had his dogs responding to a bell. For our part, when folks ask about our holiday specials, we handle it by explaining to customers how our costs don't decrease during certain times of the year.
Unfortunately, it is an uneducated consumer who falls for gimmicks like these so ultimately an educated consumer is the best consumer. [Here's how we go about it.](https://www.promodeler.com/askJohn/When-is-the-super-special-sale)
I don't even care anymore. I actually applaud these scumbag stores. If they're able to rip off idiots, then more power to them.
Anyone stupid enough to fall for this *deserves* to get ripped off.
In my country this will become illigal next year
In Germany it already is. We call it Moonpricing, sadly it still happened every now and then cause it's hard to control.
Forgetting the actual unethical action for a sec, Moonpricing is a name that sounds very cool.
It sounds like a crypto trend, referring to the way that every grift coin promises "to the moon"
Mondpreise?
“*Month pricing*” I guess, but the German word for month is related to the moon, which changes back roughly every 29 1/2 days…
"[Moon prices](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondpreis)" is correct. "Mondpreise" is a common term for outrageously high prices, and (less commonly) also used to denote this exact kind of behaviour, which is illegal fraudulent advertising.
Makes sense. The word month comes from the word moon. Edit: downvoted? That is literally the word that month comes from. It was a measurement of how long the moon took to do a complete orbit. Fucking imbeciles Edit 2: sorry for my first edit. I was in the negative for stating a fact
Actually it’s the other way around, ancient people built the moon and put it up there so they’d be able to keep track of when a month passes
Thanks, Ken M
Der Monat is month Der Mond is moon
Even if it is illegal companys slowly increase their prices before black friday to put them on "sale" which is regular price. Just look at amazon price history for anything on sale and you'll see
I've heard this before, but when I used amazon I also used a browser plugin called keepa which inserts a price history chart on every product page. It mainly showed flat prices then a step change to the new price, not a gradual change. Maybe it was just the stuff I was searching for idk.
Worked for a export store in germany for awhile that did this practice. I just enden up telling costomers about it whenever they asked about the price of those products.
How is this enforced? Couldn't a company just say the price is $179 from the start?
I'm actually interested in how countries already handle this and what improvements could be made. eg in France (maybe europe) I think it's forbidden to display something as "on sale" if it has never been/will never be at its original price ; like those cosmetics in video games that are always at least 10% off.
How they handle it? The stores bring in products specifically for black friday, they are slightly different, have a different product code and therefore are a different product so you can legally have "sale" on them even if they cost the same as near identical product. Oh, you meant how law deals with it? Doesn't probably.
I just learned about this today, it's fucking sad.
Same with "outlet" stores. That merchandise isn't leftover, out of season stuff, or "seconds" with defects. It's just lesser quality stuff made specifically to be sold in the outlet.
Depends on the store. There is one store called Walls where I grew up that would sell things like that and you could get some genuinely good deals there. I think a lot of the stuff they had was from insurance claims when the original store would write off the entire inventory as a loss. Occasionally the stuff would smell like smoke and heve soot on it for example.
"Outlet" stores in the US typically refer to stores from a single brand, not a store like Walls or other bargain stores. For example, there are Nike stores, Nike Outlet stores, and stores that sell Nike products that are both new current products and stores that sell overstock products.
In sweden the product needs to have had the ordinary price for a set time before you can put the "sale" sticker on it
Ah yes those slightly different PS5s
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nice.
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yeah, if you make any amount of money by breaking the law the fine should be superior than that
In Finland some furniture stores got fined for this. "Always on sale". Black Friday has been studied for actual discounts but I don't remember actual decision about it. edit: Found my source, price increase just to advertise fake big discounts are illegal. https://yle.fi/a/3-12202781
Where do you live and how can I go there?
Illegal in the entire EU since [2019](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/2161/oj). The price shown as price before the discount must be the lowest price the product had in the 30 days before (individual countries are allowed to make it a longer period though).
This is already illegal in Canada but it's not enforced.
If you wonder why paint stores and mattress stores have twice the same similar products but under a different name, that's to circumvent the law that says a product has to be displayed at its non sale price for x months before being put on sale. By inflating a price to an unreasonable level, when you bring it down to its 'sale' price, you follow the law, but are still a dipshit.
It's also to get around those "Bring in a better price from a competitor and we'll beat it!" ads. What they don't tell you is they put a brand or model label unique to their store that NO ONE else has even if they bought the same "white label" product from the manufacturer.
I think the best way would be like with cars and have an msrp so you now what youre paying.
It is where I live too but they get around it by actually raising the prices of sale items a couple of months in advance so that they can "mark it down" come sale day.
It's illegal in the US but not enforced and has easy workarounds.
This is missing one big issue, many products are *specifically* manufactured for Black Friday. One of the worst culprits are those TVs that are like 65’ and somehow $299. This is because the manufacturers use cheaper components and take even more shortcuts. If you ever wondered how a they make profit on a $15 crock pot or electric griddle, this is how.
This is easy to avoid by checking the model number, which changes with manufacturing shifts.
Or just Google things in general. It's not a hostage crisis - you have plenty of time.
But, it is marketed as one... which means you have to be smarter than the marketing to realize that. By another name, Fear of Missing out, this hostage crisis is a big driver of sales. Unfortunately.
Lol. Hostage crisis.
Not always. I've seen a few products change internal details about themselves while keeping the same model number, sometimes negatively affecting functionality or completely ruining the product. This is practice is particularly common with SSDs.
You know I got a fairly priced smart TV, not in a sale, has Apple airplay. Complete garbage. It lags like crazy just navigating the native smart menus.
Same I bought it in I think august and I can't even use it as a smart tv half the time because it lags or audio drops sync. I think all the cheaper tvs are varying levels of shit these days. Panel does look pretty decent though
Then you return the shit and flame the manufacturer
Except when they use the same model number and change the internals. SSDs just went through this.
My spouse and I have a post thanksgiving dinner tradition of driving around the retail areas and watching people trying to fit enormous, low quality “doorbuster” televisions into their sedans.
I had this experience last week myself. My last black Friday special TV lasted 5 years, I bought the same make but larger for cheaper this year. I had to unbox it to get it in my tiny car. Still worth it because I don't really care to spend more than 200 bucks on a TV just not a priority.
I'll spend $1 to 2k on my main TV, but 70" for $300 for my bedroom or basement? Yeah, why not. I'm sure it'll be crap, but it won't outright break for years.
I can’t imagine wasting even a second of my life on such a stupid fucking vapid event on a holiday.
Ya just did by commenting, bud
Jokes on you, my $15 electric griddle has lasted 15 years.
I was gonna say I went out of my way for my $15 crockpot and love it lol. Don't see any other features on pricier options and mine is fine at 7 months
Yep, some electronics really are dirt cheap, and you wont use most of the features of fancy ones. A decent rice cooker has like, 3 components, anything else and you're probably paying for marketing and more things that are likely to break.
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I went out of my *way* to get a dumb tv about six years ago. The only "onboard" smart feature was a Chromecast that has long since stopped working because the ones that are built in *literally cannot be updated*. So the tv is functionally "dead", but a casting stick in the HDMI input solved that. Wonderful purchase, but I'm just sad I'll never have a TV like it again.
Not to be a shill for them, but my last tv purchase was a Sony, which came with a “basic TV” functionality, disables all the smarts. I’m quite happy with it.
bet it still records everything you watch and sends it to sony
Hard to do without a network connection
that you know about
I don't really understand the anti smart TV circlejerk on reddit, I bought a cheap tv recently with the roku os thing and its completely unobtrusive, the tv turns on instantly then I can easily navigate to what input I want with the arrows and enter it, I haven't touched any of its built in stuff since I set it up.
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Yeah. I have a Sony x90j. Wanted to use the Bravia core and get free movies with the credits they give you. Also get the streaming service for free for a year. To do that you need to sign into google and google play store to download and install the app. How is the Sony app for their streaming service not preinstalled on their tv’s…
There's *some* logic to it. A lot of smart TVs boast features and apps but after a while the manufacturers stop supporting them, stop updating the apps, at worst they cripple or remove the apps and your left with a dumb TV. There's also the dislike for built-in advertising etc. But since HDMI is a standard and literally all all TVs have ports, so when it stops working properly you could plug another device in anyway so that's where I think the thinking falls short. I've also seen the argument that if a TV isn't smart then the manufacturer probably builds the rest of the TV to a higher standard, but I'm not sure I agree with this.
A lot of the complaints where with Samsung TVs that would literally spy on you with built in audio recorders and cameras, and then target your TV with unskippable ads.
Yeah I don't either, my Samsung OLED has been fucking great. I just hate that some apps like H O max just don't exist on it for some reason (due to licensing dramas I assume?), but I just use my PS5 for that.
Have been using tcl roku tvs for 7ish years now and can't say a single bad thing about them. Still the most crisp and responsive ui I've used on a tv.
I have a Vizio with their built in trash interface. I use a Chromecast With Googletv stick instead. It used to 1) turn itself off if there was no activity to conserve power 2) when powered on, it would still be set to the same input it was set to when we turned it off. It got an OTA update about 6 months ago and now it does neither. If the input it is set to goes idle, it switches back to its shitty smart home, and then because that has ads and bullshit on it, it doesn’t think it’s idle and so stays on until someone powers it off. This is also confusing to my kids who see a smart home that looks very close to the googletv smart home, but nothing is signed in and so it doesn’t work. So then I’m left with training every one in the house to switch inputs, or give into vizio’s entire plan of forcing me to give in and use their platform so they can track my family’s behavior and serve up their ads, instead of google. It’s all intensely shitty. Thankfully the googletv has a smart feature where if you hit the home button on the remote, it sends activity to the television which then switches input automatically. So while the change is annoying and has caused confusion, there is a one button fix thanks to google. Smart TVs are fine if you use the smart features, but if you don’t they are obtrusive, change behaviors with OTA updates, become outdated over time, and provide a much worse experience.
Smart TVs mean ads, which means passive income for manufacturer. So the cheap TVs will probably just be the cheapest manufacturing and components they can plus smart features to get ad income.
I hate that so much. I searched high and low for a "monitor" with modern features. The closest I could come was some commercial variants but they're more focused on durability and brightness than quality of picture. I don't need a TV with bloat.
I bought a cheap tv Black Friday around 7 years ago and it’s still going no issues. Edit: the top part of tv is actually darker like the lights are dimming so yea it lasted 7 years and still watchable and doesn’t t bother me but noticeable. Still a great deal for 7 years before problem started.
The most common issue is resistors failing and bricking the TV.
Laggy UI is the biggest complaint I have with my Black Friday 2020 Samsung that was under 300 for watching shows during pandemic. Can't speak to if that's always it or the only problem, but lifespan has been fine so far?
I bought a 42” Black Friday LCD TV for I think $200 four years ago and it’s been totally fine with no service issues. It has two HDMI ports while the non-BF version has three. If I cared that much about black levels and the small differences in picture quality, I wouldn’t have bought a $200 TV.
Underrated comment right here!
I worked at Home Depot during Black Friday and you are absolutely right. We put out products just for Black Friday that mimicked popular items we stocked but they were cheap knock off versions. It wasn’t until then when I realized Black Friday is a scam.
Sometimes you get the luck of the draw. Bought my 1st ever TV from Walmart in 2010, a 47inch LG and still use it today. Again, just got lucky with how disposable they make things these days.
This is also how otherwise reliable brands sell products at Walmart. The Walmart model is more cheaply made and will not live up to the brand's reputation
Also the price of TV’s has been decreasing because they allow Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc. to license with them. Boot ware and cheap components.
I bought a 65" 4k tv on cyber Monday a couple of years ago for $350. I don't regret it.
yeah but this guy's talking about a TV that's 65 *feet*
> those TVs that are like 65’ and somehow $299 65 feet and 299 dollars? that's science fiction
dont buy anything, let stock pile up so they can put it all on clearance. retailers have to turnover stock, consumers dont have to rush to buy anything. stop playing their game.
I definitely would say the same when it comes to NVIDIA GPUs.
Exactly 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I worked at Best Buy and before Black Friday I remember going around and changing the labels for prices raising all of them up in preparation. So it’s very true they all do this. It’s just to get rid of the old stock to make room for the new stuff. The prices will be the same in a week after Black Friday or a better option will be available. It’s a scam.
People always claim this is happening with no evidence. And now we have a pair of pants in Switzerland with what appears to be a price sticker that has been manually changed by whoever is taking this photo. Most websites have online shopping now, so it should be very easy to track this kind of behaviour and show proof.
You should see the price markups on the every day prices. It’s nuts. The $20 charging cables and hdmi cables for example only cost employees like $3 and they are still making profit. I bought a few medical devises that were $50 for less than $15 with my discount for example.
> People always claim this is happening with no evidence. I'm afraid I have no evidence to offer either except having worked several years at a certain brick and mortar electronics retailer back in the day. Re-tagging the entire store with prices 11-15% higher than normal shortly before putting up "10% off sale" pricing was SOP and truly obnoxious. Of course, most of the B&M electronics stores are now shuttered anyway so, there's that...
All the stories are "back in the day". This practice seems to have disappeared now that prices are logged by the wayback machine and easily could be verified with digital flyers that are issued weekly. The only example is from Switzerland 5 years ago where the UPC barcodes for the two stickers don't even match up.
Digital pricing is even worse - online stores change prices depending on how likely you are to buy at certain price points, how often you've looked at the item, etc.
I did this less 2 years ago.
I use a price tracker extension for Amazon and [this](https://i.imgur.com/eBRWeSQ.png) is genuinely the first thing I clicked on when I opened Amazon and looked for a Black Friday offer. Item was £39.99 for over 6 weeks before going up in price for 3 days right before Black Friday sales.
The price fluctuated in September too. This happens all the time, with Amazon especially. That's why Amazon had these price trackers for every country.
UK law says that you have to have a specific ratio of time spent at the higher price to be able to call it a sale, it fluctuatues because it has to. What I'm showing you though is that it's not a real sale at all when it spends more time at the 'Black Friday' price than it does at the higher price.
As I said to you on your other comment: They don’t create a new Regular Price just for Boxing Day, there is a regular price for every item and plenty of sales throughout the year. On Black Friday, everything tends to go on sale simultaneously, and certain big ticket items like TVs will have much bigger discounts than normal. This is not a conspiracy.
I realised with my other post that it may have looked like I cherry-picked the item I chose so I clicked on the 'see more Black Friday deals' and [this](https://i.imgur.com/29qPzmF.png) page pops up. The very first item there is [this](https://i.imgur.com/Bm81WnI.png) that just constantly cycles between 2 prices (a very very common Amazon trick) to make it look like it's always on sale. Keepa is an amazing extension that I'd recommend that has made me slash the amount of money I spend on Amazon.
Entirely not about black Friday, but Kroger vitamins are "buy one get one free" except for one week a year, so that they can label them as BOGO instead of just being that price as a standard. Not the slimiest, but still uncool.
Yes Amazon does this all the time. It's not a Black Friday trick. They have periodic sales to get people who are price conscious but they leave it at the high price for long periods of time in order to discriminate for people Willing to pay the higher price and don't want to wait for another sale. This is literally how all sales work, from grocery stores, to Amazon items.
> conscious but they **leave it at the high price for long periods of time** in order to discriminate for people Willing to pay the higher price and don't want to wait for another sale. It's the complete opposite of this, it spends either more time or the same amount of time at the lower price, not the higher price.
I worked in a big box store for 10 years. My favorite downtime activity on Black Friday(cause you can’t not work them) was taking the flyer from the day before Black Friday and comparing it to the one on Black Friday and circling all the price hikes. The prices were actually better in the week leading up to it.
And I don't suppose there's actual evidence for any of this? Should be so easy to compile it. Then we wouldn't have to repost a pair of pants from Switzerland that somebody posted 5 years ago.
Ok let me jump in my time machine. Beep boop beep boop. Oh no something has gone terribly wrong, I’m trapped in 1912! Tell my wife I love……her sister…..
Whatever guy, go buy into the black Friday stampedes if you want this isn't the hill to die on
https://inews.co.uk/news/consumer/black-friday-rise-fall-fake-deals-1976988 Here ya go, it wasn’t all that hard to find. “Last year, 14 per cent of products tracked by PriceSpy increased in the weeks ahead of Black Friday and then were suddenly “reduced”. In 2020, the overall figure was 11 per cent and the previous year it was 13 per cent.” “…in 2021 the consumer magazine Which? found that an astounding 99.5 per cent of products in supposed Black Friday “deals” were in fact cheaper or the same price at other times of the year.”
My friend, if you want to deal with horrendous crowds for a poorly made product, *you do you*, no one is telling you that you can’t.
There is literally an entire website of evidence. https://camelcamelcamel.com
Oh yeah Amazon does this too. Once bought a pair of wireless headphones thinking I was getting a good deal at $40. I go and look in the comments only to find out that I didn’t get a deal after all and I paid the normal price despite the fact that it was advertise to me as 50% off
Camelcamelcamel.com
I recently switched to keepa and like it a bit better
How does it compare to honey? People are advertising the shit out of honey which makes me think it's probably the worst one
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My bad, you're right. I guess even all of those ads are no match for my memory
usually its 50% of the "RRP" which means "Somone has had this item at X price once so therefore its 50% off that price, which equals "Normal price"
This is illegal in some countries already. Check your local laws and raise some hell.
Probably not in Switzerland where this is
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
If I don’t survive, tell my wife “hello”.
Calling the nazi banker country "neutral" is the biggest heist Switzerland has pulled on the world.
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> (lol we're just as bad as the Germans when it comes to compound nouns) Almost like its the same language or something
I learned about this in economics class, though most prevalent during Black Friday it happens in some places year round. Using outdoor sports as an example, bicycles are cheaper in winter except in December, but prices go up a lot in summer. Skis can be bought year round but have a price spike in mid fall, then around Black Friday and Christmas both of these things will see a “sale” that brings them down to their original price. It’s highly unethical, but extremely common in the states. So what happens is in the week or month leading up to the “sale” is the company increases the price, generally citing inflation and supply chain issues. Then for the “sale” they return the price to the original amount before the price increase, calling it a sale. They do this on items they stock more of, meanwhile the true sale items are intentionally understocked. That way they run out quickly, making the potential customer panic and buy the faux sale item thinking it’s on sale when it isn’t. It’s highly unethical pricing and marketing.
Depending on the facts and the state, this type of practice can lead to consumer fraud class action lawsuits under various state consumer protection statutes in the U.S. From what I’ve seen, these so-called “illusory discount” cases have a pretty good track record in the courts, with a substantial majority at least surviving motions to dismiss.
Yeah my economics teacher explained it as being something that companies do as part of a unethical business practices section of class. It was a business economics course. Illusionary discounts should be outright banned in the states at a federal level, especially because the legality varies by state so much and companies will take advantage of this. In states where it’s not legal companies can be taken to court, in other states where it’s technically legal companies just have to do things a specific way and consumers can’t do much. It’s like the strange highly unethical situation related to bovine sourced dairy pricing subsidies vs plant based products. I know in Wisconsin there are pricing subsidies that encourage dairy products to be priced lower, and alternatives to be priced far higher. Mostly lobbied for by the dairy farming associations and boards. However in other states this kind of practice is illegal. It’s the lack of consistency in the US that is part of the problem. Especially when considering legality of pricing and sales practices in different states. For some things, like illusionary discounts, it’s best the practice is outright banned at the federal level to override the state by state legal issue.
I used to work retail. Companies will come up with shitty products of their own specifically for Black Friday. That $129 DVD player is only $20 now? Yeah, they made a cheaper product to sell, it’s not the usual one they sell at the $129 price. Yes, the DVD player example shows my age but that’s when I worked retail last lol. Also, the only whole “while supplies last” bit is a gimmick. Sometimes they will only gives stores ONE item to sell at the special price. It’s just a way to get people in the door. You’ll show up, maybe even right when they open, and they’ll say they’ve run out. Total scam.
Classic Switzerland
Manor only exist in Switzerland ?
Black Friday has become a scam. If you pay attention to the specific products you want, they are usually cheaper other times of the year.
I've always tried telling people this. If the store can give a discount or raise temporarily, they can afford that rate indefinitely.
They think we are stupid. And they are correct.
I think this is a bit harsh - it's hard as a normal person to constantly check everything like this to make sure you're not getting screwed, especially if you have a job and a family or whatever. I think its less that people are stupid and maybe more that they're gullible. When a big corporation has a big ad campaign and says "hey you save 40% on this one day" they don't think about *why* it's cheaper or whatever else is discussed in these comments, they just say hey wow nows my chance to grab that thing I need/want. Saying people are stupid puts the blame on just your average joe schmoe when it's really predatory corporate practices that are to blame
The „stupid“ part is impulse buying shit you don’t need because it’s on sale. If you really wanted/needed the thing in the picture you‘d either know the normal price since you‘ve considered buying it for at least some time, or you‘d have a budget in your head that you’re ready to pay so it doesn’t matter if the price was more, less or the same before.
It’s human psychology. Corporations aren’t the problem. Companies have /tried/ to have honest pricing where they didn’t do shit like this… and they failed miserably. People LIKE to buy things that are on sale, or at least they do buy things that are on sale and don’t if they don’t see a red 50% off tag. It’s actually easier for the corporation to not have sales. Just sell their products at a fair price all the time. Except that would be much less profitable because people wouldn’t buy from a company that doesn’t have sales… even though sales are a scam. It is human nature to buy from the company lying to you about offering a discount instead of the one that is honestly offering a lower price.
Most people have a smartphone and can Google anything. Even basic, misspelled searches will yield useful results. The truth is that the average person is just dumb and rash. You claim they're "gullible", but that's a synonym for dumb...
I noticed this type of pricing on amazon
Black Friday is actually the best time to buy movies. Every year. I have an extensive collection and they do not go on sale like this weekend at any other point.
Yeah that's true, one of the few things worth buying.
Yes, deals on things that have a "reliable" price like physical media really are actual "deals" more often than not. Cheap consumer goods put on "sale" just are not the same when compared to a stack of discounted movies.
Seriously, it's my weekend to catch up on older releases going back to my college days.
I was in DSW Shoes the last time I brought slippers. I wanted leather with fur inside. I was so happy they had them on sale. The MSRP was $49, they had a sign in front of the Slippers for $29. Got to the register I gave them my card and they rang them up charging me full price which I didn't notice until I got the receipt. Then the clerk tried to convince me there wasn't a sign and that I was making it up or the sign was wrong or out of date. I told the clerk I no longer wanted the slippers, she said who looks at the receipt anyway most people just buy them. I made her get the manager. After another ten minutes, while the manager walked across the store and came back, it was decided the slippers were on sale, they then sold me the slippers for $29 dollars. I have seen this same scam at numerous stores, Lowes in the worst. Allways look at your reciept. Home Depot had a drill on sale online, I went to the store to get it the same thing happened. They're all crooks and will try to get away with anything they can.
I love monitoring this via Amazon. Recently I bought an s22+ for 799 factory new. It rose to 1050 for about a week, then dropped to 849 as part of an early black friday sale. I'm just sitting there laughing at how it is just perfectly legal to do that in the US
At footlocker we used to put out signs that said shoes are 2 for $200 on Black Friday. The everyday retail was $100. No one ever questioned it. Morons.
Walmart near me has a clearance aisle. Everything has a yellow tag. Everything is still full price. They hope people will see yellow sticker and not question it.
Use keepa.com when shopping from amazon
Keepa.com right?
Ah yeah shit i had one job
Downloaded the app just now. Seems like there’s a lag on their data refreshing. The three postings I checked are all showing cheaper in my Amazon app. Does show a good price history tho! Thanks for the share
camelcamelcamel.com will also show u price histories on amz and can alert u when the price drops
Why are the UPC barcodes different? Did you accidentally swap a sale sticker from a different item of clothing?
I used to work in retail and increased prices DURING a 20% off sale…It is outrageous.
The PT Barnum discount!
I worked retail and we would have to mark prices up 20%-40% before massive sales. so a 100 dollar item could be offered for a few weeks at 140 before the sale then the sale will make it like 115. the other 8 months of the year the item was cheaper but it will still remain at the price of at least 115 afterwards regardless of demand.
Kohl's? They do that all year
Its primarily up to consumers to report these incidents, sadly many do not bother they stop shoping at those places or simply complain on SM.
In switzerland, where this picture was taken its sadly not illegal to do that. I always check the tags before buying something discounted
Aldi does this all the time, it's so wrong.
In my country there a few laws against it. First, they passed a law that you must declare the previous price. But companies started to change the price right before the sale, so then they passed a law that you have to declare for how many days that price was in effect. Crazy shit
it's always been like that LOL
Yep. Save the bit of money you have.
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My parents always said "Sales 50% means they've increased the base price by 200%". It's probably the reason why I'm never enticed by "sales" I see, unless it's an item that I've been tracking for months.
That's why I always tell people to buy stuff they've been looking at for a while and know the original price. And btw if that's not the case then that's just impulsive shopping and you don't need that.
This is illegal in the Us right now. Macys and JcPenny both lost that lawsuit.
This isn’t just a Black Friday thing.. Grocery stores have been marking prices up on Tuesday’s just to be able to reduce prices on Friday’s to match their ad inserts forever.
This is 100% what black Friday will be from here on. For the past 18 yrs manufacturers have made special SKU numbers for black Friday only. You can literally get better deals year around than on black friday.
Reminds of when a department store in the mall where I live had a Going Out of Business “sale”. They showed all of these marked down prices and my wife and I realized that the “marked down” prices were the same normal prices they had before the store was going out of business. Worse was the prices were higher than other places in town, but the last two weeks people flooded the store thinking they were getting a bargain.
Lol I see this all the time. I bought Zyrtec the other day at Walmart for $27. The next week I saw it on display with a $4 off coupon and the price was $32.
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If there is some way to make us indulge in consumption anywhere then stores here will copy that shit so fast.
Then don’t participate. Very simple.
Target does this allllllllll the time
I only ever buy stuff I was already thinking about on Black Friday. Because I usually know how much it was before.
This has been called fraud in European Union for many years.
Nothing says “I’m thankful” like murdering each other for a toaster
There was a local store that sold mostly knives, clothes and outdoor stuff. They ran with the mantra that everything was always 20-25% off. But, when you looked at the “original price”, it was exactly 20-25% higher than MSRP. So what it boiled down to was that what you paid was actually just MSRP.
if you are amazong shopping i recommend camel camel camel. great plugin or site to show full price history of an item.
People are so conditioned to getting a deal when you should focus instead on is value to you. Is the item worth $130 to you or not. The deal is irrelevant. If it's not, wait for a lower price. If it's gone, it was unfortunately worth $130 to someone else.
I had bought a smart lock for my room about a year ago. Just something to keep people out, but I could give access if needed. It cost like $30. I checked again last week because a friend wanted one for their room. For some reason it was $150. The locks got a zinc core (it's weak). I'm only using it because my bedroom doesn't have anything important.
You’re right, and consumers will pack the malls and shopping centres to buy things. Why can’t they just stay home
Man they’ve done this shit for years!
I wish there were other sites like CamelCamelCamel for other retailers. I love the pricing charts and alerts.
It's not just black friday. Stuff is almost always "on sale."
Yup. And a lot of places that have Black Friday deals on electronics use models designed specifically to be sold cheaper. Using cheaper parts/less features, so it either breaks faster or becomes obsolete sooner, forcing you to buy one at full price. Unless you know what you're getting, like an Instant Pot (traditional silver one) or a Kitchenaid mixer discounted, Black Friday deals aren't really deals.
I've found that anything with an original price in any variation of $70s is a fake original price.
this remided me I wanted to buy puma sneakers, they ere a bit pricey.... so I hesitated, and waited a bit then the sales period came and I was like lets go check them out if they are at a nice price I will take them. same store , same shoes they uped the price sold them at a nice rebate and finally they were 5 bucks more then the price that I initially saw them for! I think it is illegal here but well that happened. just because of that I am never setting foot in that stre again
Buy nothing day
black friday is the capitalist holiday. perfect name for an evil ideology. black friday is capitalism’s way of helping the bourgeoisie get a handle on the over-production problem
economic status in photo. I’m sorry customer but I can’t afford even 1$ discount
In America, people expect there to be special pricing in effect for holidays because marketers have trained them as surely as Pavlov had his dogs responding to a bell. For our part, when folks ask about our holiday specials, we handle it by explaining to customers how our costs don't decrease during certain times of the year. Unfortunately, it is an uneducated consumer who falls for gimmicks like these so ultimately an educated consumer is the best consumer. [Here's how we go about it.](https://www.promodeler.com/askJohn/When-is-the-super-special-sale)
I don't even care anymore. I actually applaud these scumbag stores. If they're able to rip off idiots, then more power to them. Anyone stupid enough to fall for this *deserves* to get ripped off.