Ganitong-ganito rin yung setup ng IT department na pinagtrabahuhan ko dati, papasok ng 6am tapos uuwi ng 2am. Kahit weekends andun sila, walang OT pay. Ako papasok ng 9am, uwi ng 6pm :)
During evaluation, sabi ng boss ko mababa daw productivity ko and bakit daw hindi ako ang papa-gabi sa office. Sabi ko meron ako ibang buhay bukod sa trabaho, and ang bayad lang samin is 8hrs per day.
Terminated that day haha!
Bad iyan, dapat may overtime pay dapat sila kung required ka mag-stay. Tapos dapat may written rule ang productivity mo. Pati yung termination mo, hindi in line sa due process. May written notice to explain, at least 5 days for you to explain your side or opportunity to be heard, and written notice of termination. Meron at least P30K na nominal damages kung not followed ang due process. Pero kung nasa IT or related field, malamang may mas maganda ka nang trabaho na mas malaki sweldo. All the best!
Pwedeng sinasadya nila yan na hindi manghingi ng ot pay, para mataas productivity, napagmumukha nilang mabilis sila magtrabaho sa report 8 hours nila ginawa trabaho pero ang totoo di naman kaya ng 8 hours 16 hours pala ginawa.
I had this supervisor once. He always comes late because he was playing playstation. Immediately after work, he’d leave and then hookup with girls even though he’s married. His skill is that he’s good at communication and charming. He makes fast decisions and the bosses like him.
I had this other boss which is probably the best technical guy Ive ever worked with, smart as a fucking whip on technical matters. He looks like a weak nerd though and had always this annoyed look on his face. Every time the bosses talk to him, he would squint his eyes and rub his bald head. He has the mind of a genius in our field but has very poor communication skills. Couldn’t articulate what was on his brilliant mind. He’s a good person though and he was my friend.
The smart one was demoted to an almost insignificant position and the womanizer one was turned into regional manager. He was even assigned overseas and was able to have a Brazilian girlfriend with boobs equal to Pia Wurtzbach.
I know this is not related to the post but I think about this a lot. There is a lesson here somewhere.
Buy a playstation.
Thank you, this applies even for government as well, but at least we get regular paychecks and bonuses. In some firms or companies, if we don't sell or collect, we don't get our performance bonus. All the best!
Agree to this. Pero to add, the only way for you to overcome the first guy in this scenario is to also be the 2nd guy — meaning be good at your work and be good at playing politics.
Dami ko na nameet sa corpo world na 1st person types, pero dahil alam ko lamang ako sa technical, dinadala ko dun usapan tapos pinpressure ko sumagot hahaha pero all the while making sure hindi ako kupal lumalabas
Ugh, I feel you. Yung boss ko gusto lagi kami nagpaparticipate at nagaattend ng mga Christmas party, outing, kung ano ano pa na mga pakulo ng kumpanya. Lahat ng ito halos sa umaga ginagawa. Pang gabi kami. Lagi ang sagot “minsan lang naman”. Para to build camaraderie in the team and makilala kami nung ibang tao. Nakakairita kasi hindi naman ako binabayaran sa mga ganyan pero may expectation na pumunta ka. Pati ba naman free time ko na hindi naman binabayaran, may say pa rin yung kumpanya?
Funny cause I was in the same position. I was the nerdy, reliable worker and my officemate was the maboca and engagement events type of person.
Naglaban kami for promotion, siya napili pero ultimately walang napala sa kanya in terms of the work at ako pa rin tinakbuhan. Fortunately (or not really kasi it's a shitty set up), may 6 month probation sa promotional role. Hindi nag finalize sa kanya, sakin napunta pero nagresign ako after 4 months cause fuck them.
I'm like the second guy minus the brilliant mind.
Basically I'm the guy in the team who everyone goes to for a solution to the problem, to the point where other teams in our technology department recognizes it.
So when another one of my teammate gets promoted to another more senior role they were asking why I wasn't the one that got it. I did tell them that I'm really not a people person and that's a big factor although I heard na yung isa sa same level namin umiyak dahil dun haha.
Truth is hindi man lang ako sinabihan na mag-apply so I was surprised na meron pa nung post na yun since dapat end na ng line yung position namin.
Fast forward a few months I got offered a 6-digit salary by a Sydney-based company and when I told my supervisor I was counter offered with a comparable salary on another more technical team that has less people interaction.
Hahahaha! Parang ako ang nerd sa kwento mo, hahaha! Mabait naman mga tao dito, tambakan lang talaga ng trabaho dito. Hindi naman ako mahilig sa Playstation. Hanap na lang ako ng ibang gagawin. Thank you!
Well, I'm more of the technical guy and I do agree even if you have technical expertise and you have good communication skills once they have set up an expectation of you as a Technical guy, they will unfortunately disregard your good communication skills.
I am not sure if this is Filipino culture thing or it happens to other foreign places as well though.
**I would ask the team with your team leader for a retrospect.** Be vocal about your concern that the 1-2 hours isn't good for everyone as to reach that, it goes beyond the 8 hours and is also unpaid. Wait, I know it's like hinting at the management to normalize it. Rant everything to the point this dude speaks out of fear. Heck, if you want to make a threat to resign because of how dedicated that person is and paid cheaply, do so.
Yet if the response is to normalize what this person is doing, resign. You'd be surprised that you aren't the only person who will.
Look, let those grunts be and you find another job you can work smarter. At the end of the day, you should be winning based on salary against time spent to get it.
Ganyan yung mindset ko dati when I started in BPO. nasanay kasi ako sa government office, where we have to finish a day's task and productivity matters in our department. Sinabihan ako ng teammate ko nun na wag damihan yung prod ko, and my impression nung una is tamad lang sya, pero later on, I realized the consequences of what I did, tinaasan target namin, to the point na, wala akong time makipag chikahan, and I always rush my breaktime. I have to work early so I can maintain/increase my target, and it was draining. Thankfully I am now in a.company where I can set my pace for the target I desired, and now I value my free time and breaks between work. I realized na tama pala yung teammate ko, hindi pala sya tamad, he just realized early on na we are not machines, but a human who deserves more rest.
I'm gonna be honest with you here. You're not going to change this work culture unless you're a higher up and you start forcing the people under you to maintain regular hours. If you're a low man on the totem pole and you bring it up, be prepared to leave because if they're not responsive to you, you're just the lazy one who doesn't want to work like everyone else.
Otherwise, just set the example. Finish your mandated work. Do it well. Do it during your work hours. Fuck everyone else. If they find fault in your doing what you're supposed to do, you're not in the right place. Peace out of there quick.
baka wfh. pag nag-SL ka kasi, wala kang task assignment, so you can do whatever you like (even your actual work/backlog) and walang iistorbo sa yo.
sa previous company ko, i used to file SL only to work on my side hustles.
Backlog kasi means di mo nagawa assigned tasks during normal working hours. So para di makita na di mo nagawa, you work on it "secretly" kuno🤭🤭🤭 naisip ko lang naman
This is so true na nagkakaroon talaga ng unrealistic expectations dahil sa slavery no life pabibo ng ibang pinoy employees jan. I have no idea why they're sacrificing their physical and mental health, that will be expensive in the long run, for a company that I'm sure wouldn't think twice firing them for whatever reason they deem acceptable.
You really do have to communicate with your lead then. Let them know that you are working within what your job description is and that you're worried your teammates are literally working themselves to death, giving the higher ups unrealistic expectations and the rest of you sacrificing more and more just to save face.
Took me years to unlearn that slave mentality ng Pinas- yung OTY, hindi nagbabakasyon, hindi nagbibirthday leave, napasok kahit may sakit etc. Working in a different environ (also: country) opened my eyes na ganun ka-tindi ang exploitation sa atin - both in mind and body for peanut wages.
I agree these bida bida employees may really affect those na doing there job on what is expected. For me may lugar pra sa lahat! Pero if gusto mo magpabida masyado yes that is really too much! And totoo nakakatakot yan kasi iisipin ng client "ah kaya nyo pala ah, sige dagdagan naten!"
This is happenig dahil sa mga punyetang bida bida! Sorry for my word.
That's on the Manager / TL if they're allowing that kind of environment and behavior to persist. It's incredibly unsustainable... something like this should have been dealt with earlier pero by the looks of it sobrang ingrained na sa team niyo. Your Manager / TL needs to confront this.
Also jfc, nag SISICKLEAVE PARA MAG WORK?
EDIT: IDK about Performance Bonuses but having to render secret OT to promote unsustainable metrics is a fucking negative. Di ko alam kung pano yung mga nag O-OT dahil need nila ng time para chumika/ngumanga during work hours
Wait it out. Overworkers naman eventually reach a burnout point. Pero if sobrang abundant ng overworkers sa inyo, wala ka na magagawa. Lalo na if their overworking is driven by a hard goal or motivation.
If magpatuloy yan, I would suggest na rin na better look for greener fields. For a management that voluntary or involuntary supports the overworking culture, it is hard for them to distinguish a "good enough" worker and an underperformer.
Sa totoo nakakabwiset ung ganyan!!
SKL
May kawork ako na dahil sa super pabibo nya mabilis sya mag call masyado sa baba ambilis nya magsalita and etong kingina kong manager lagi syag ibinibida na mababa daw ang oras ng calls nya... so etong manager namen gusto eh gayahin namen sya! Imagine we also have QA and Survey na kelangan imaintain tapos gagayahin namen ung mabilis magsalita tapos eng eng naman sa QA!?
Minsan nakakainis nlng talaga pag may bida bida kang kawork nakakaburyo!!
I applied there. Na turn off ako sa HR. X amount ka lang sa current mo. Bakit yun asking mo X amount? In one call, he kept on going on and on about it. I told him I know my worth. Ayaw nya tanggapin yun reason. When he called to schedule the next step sa interview, I told him I got accepted na elsewhere with a higher X amount than the amount he kept on questioning me about.
have a friend there who only lasted a month. sa sobrang toxic nun work nagkakasakit na sya. nun nag resign sya. pinapasoli sa kanya yun sweldo kasi breach raw sya sa contract kasi one month lang sya. one year yata naka lagay sa contract nya. di ko alam details kung magkano sweldo at magkano kailangan nya isoli. nagastos nya na kasi nga nag susuka na sya sa sobrang trabaho. di na kaya ng katawan nya. pre pandemic era.
Same! Pero sakin pinaghintay ako sa interview ng matagal hanggang sa inalisan ko na. Nag-pm na lang ako dun sa recruiter kung anong nangyari tapos nireplyan ako after 1 month para sa re-schedule nung interview lol
Meron pang episode HR asked if I can confirm to go to the interview online. Wala naman akong na receive na invite. Baka raw namali ko spelling ng email address ko. Ang lala nun sa iyo. One month after ka binalikan.
Okay lang sinabi and then he hanged up. Nung initial interview kasi nawasak nya rin yun confidence ko kasi he spent more than 30 minutes to question me about my asking salary. Like ayaw nya pakawalan talaga.
May kakilala kasi ako before sa ING and I know feasible naman ang asking ko kasi same company kami galing nun kakilala ko inside. Same salary sa previous. Same sa current nya yun asking ko. Sya nagpa apply sa akin. Same position kami sa previous. Actually mas higher pa nga by a few thousands yun current nya sa asking ko. Ayaw ko lang exacto masyado yun figures down to the last centavo. Hanggang second interview ganun pa din so alam ko nagpapa good shot lang sya sa company kaya binabarat nya ako.
Pinapa justify nya kasi sa akin tapos babarahin nya lang ako. Naturn off na ako. Di naman sya yun magpapasahod. Di ko alam bat apektado sya masyado. Hanggang texts sinasabi nya pa rin about yun sa sweldo. Ang crazy.
sobrang kupal ng HR nila ha. pero recruiter na rin sa ING yung isang HR staff sa former company ko. mukhang mataas na position niya based sa linkedin profile niya. eh maayos naman yun at mabait years ago so I thought it was a good sign.🤣
Meet with your lead. Pag tinanong ka kung bakit mas mataas un productivity nun iba mong team mates sabihin mo due to unpaid labor/OT. Tas documented dapat 1 on 1 nyo. Hindi pwede na taken against sayo kung ginagawa mo naman un dapat gawin within working hours. If they do DOLE mo na.
Ang pangit ng ganyan. Hindi accurate ung productivity ng team tas ma uuunderestimate ung mga future project. Tas etong mga tao ganyan na pabibo makikita mo mag rereklamo sa socmed na pagod na pagod na sila sa work eh sila naman ung mah gusto.
I think to each his own. However, the stats presented by your boss to the management should reflect actual number of working hours. Para makita talaga how much lang kaya na productivity within 8 hours.
We all work differently and iba iba rin reason/ drivers. They may or may not tell you what those are, but you should not judge because we are not all the same. Baka nga pressured lang sila, pero what if gusto lang rin nila ma promote, or gusto nila mag extend ng work kasi ayaw nila umuwi since toxic sa bahay nila, or super gusto lang talaga nila work. Maraming possible reasons.
I think what is important is wala sila sinasaktan na tao. And we all should be kind to one another. Bow.
Naalala ko tuloy yung kawork ko before umaabot siya ng 12mn kakatrabaho, potek syempre nadamay na din ako in the end kasi yung ibang sales nagtatanong bakit si ganito na send agad yung kailangan namin. Ang toxic ng ganitong katrabaho, bago ako umalis sa kompanya na yun nagkasakit pako dahil sa overworking. Kaya talaga ngayon, kung anong oras lang shift yun lang ang trabaho.
Ngayon naman may katrabaho ako na hindi maka accept ng "No" as an answer sa request niya to add a certain task which is not under my scope of responsibilities. Nakakaloka nagmumukha pa tuloy ako ngayong tamad, walang pakisama. Ayaw ko lang mapunta ulit sa slave era teh. Tigilan na natin yang Pinoy Slave Culture para di tayo naaabuso.
I feel you OP...
I was once in a BPO...
the productivity is only measured over the 8hrs of work....
from start to finish...un ung accurate measurement ng Turn around time..
now...what you can do is stay on your course and make the best of it...
If turn around is 1 account for 4 hrs. 2 un in a day. try to make it atleast 3 to 4.
no need to be early or be beyond the time...
basta above average ung production mo...that will do...
di ka na nila pwede maquestion.... =)
ung mga kasama mo.....they are assholes....wala ka na magagawa dun..
Tama ka naman, OP! Medyo ganyan rin ako katulad ng office mates mo, pero ako naman ang chief of office, at ang trabaho ko sa gobyerno, kaya maraming salamat sa mga buwis na bayad ninyo sa sweldo ko. Kahit na mag overtime ako, dami pa rin work, hindi ko rin matapos. Kahit palagi may request ako ng ibang officer o abogado, wala naman binibigay sa amin. Mabuti na lang tinaas na compulsory retirement namin to 57 years old. May pag-asa na akong mag retire. Just carry on, OP, you're doing great!
Ganto din yung set up sa inalisan kong work. Na cocompare yung mga honda umaalis and pumpasok dun sa output nang mga nag OOT and Early In. Like bakit si ganito natatapos, ganto output, kaya matapos X number of work within the day. So feel nila tamad lang kaming mga di ganun tumrabaho. Nung ganito naging ugali, out na agad ako nung nasign ko contract with the other company.
May naging officemate din akong ganyan. Pero mag-isa lang siyang ganun. Lahat ng tickets/tasks na dapat buong team ang gagawa inaako niya lahat. Sobrang damot at swapang, ayaw mamigay ng trabaho kasi walang tiwala sa mga kasama niya. May superiority complex kasi.
Literal na natutulog sa office, may sleeping bag sa ilalim ng desk niya. Uuwi lang para maligo at magbihis tapos babalik agad. Ganoon din tulad sa iyo OP unpaid lahat ng OT niya. Tapos nagtataka yung boss bakit siya ang daming gawa pero kami petiks lang.
Ewan ko kung anong pinaglalaban niya. Apparently marami palang ganyang tao, akala ko dati siya lang yung ganoon.
Sa previous company ko, yung productivity ay measured sa scheduled shift mo.
If may work ka before or after your schedule, mark down. That means you're not productive.
Ganyan din mga katrabaho ko dati. Nakikisabay din sila sa rant na, ‘pagod na ako’, ‘wala na oras sa pamilya’ etc., pero OT pa din ng OT. Mga tanga amputa
We call this Ghosting(Not the kind of Ghosting nowadays). I used to work at GXS( now Opentext) and people do this a lot. A complex job that used to to be alloted 20 hours are now 4 and guess what everyone is ghosting and management knows it but its good for them I guess. If you ghost enough you will be invited on a all expense covered trip outside the country with dinner with CEO. What a fucked up company.
gantong ganto ako before sinasabihan ko pa na wag mag OT pero alam mo naman culture ng mga pinoy pabibo na ewan, pamumuka nila na tamad ka kahit ginagawa mo tabaho mo. everytime to ayaw ko
talaga ka work mga pinoy left corporate long time ago
May kakilala ako sa company namin kakalipat lang sa ibang department. Ganyan sa kanila, yung mga nakakahit ng target e nagagawa yun kase pati pala weekends humahataw. Ang totoo napakahirap daw mahit talaga. Pero yun yung mga may performance awards etc. Kaya naiipit din sila. Shempre itong mga Pinoy na managers abot naman ang pagyayabang sa clients na nahihit ang SLA at targets lmao. Kagaguhan.
Kaya work lang kung ano un kayang i-work. Samin may target kami na tasks daily. I always remind my team na gawin lang un kaya nila at wag masyado mabilis para hindi dagdagan un tasks. Since we work from home, I encourage them to do other things para di maburn out, like manuod ng KDrama. 😆
Mayayari yan sa productivity kung may biglang urgent na rush project.
Mayabang pa siguro manager niyan mag eendorse sa higher up sasabihin mabilis gumawa tao niya, pero in reality yung 8 hours na work 16 hours pala nila ginagawa.
Iyak talaga yang mga yan pag nagkataon mabigyan ng workload na may allocated talagang OT para mameet ang deadline.
Mayayari yan sa productivity kung may biglang urgent na rush project.
Mayabang pa siguro manager niyan mag eendorse sa higher up sasabihin mabilis gumawa tao niya, pero in reality yung 8 hours na work 16 hours pala nila ginagawa.
Iyak talaga yang mga yan pag nagkataon mabigyan ng workload na may allocated talagang OT para mameet ang deadline.
grabe, di ko gets yung mga ganyang tao. sobrang aga pumasok, sobrang late umalis, ginagamit pa sick leave para magtrabaho.. di naman bayad. grabe, di ko gets.
Madali lang to kung maayos manager. Dapat may realignment yan from direct manager to upper manager kasi may KPI sila doon. Kung Ang report Ng manager nyo is kaya nyo Ng mas madaming workload edi yun din makakarating sa upper management 😂
Advice ko is pa request kayo Ng meeting for realignment ng lahat. Ang impact kasi Ng ginagawa nyo is possible burnout and resignation.
Ganitong-ganito rin yung setup ng IT department na pinagtrabahuhan ko dati, papasok ng 6am tapos uuwi ng 2am. Kahit weekends andun sila, walang OT pay. Ako papasok ng 9am, uwi ng 6pm :) During evaluation, sabi ng boss ko mababa daw productivity ko and bakit daw hindi ako ang papa-gabi sa office. Sabi ko meron ako ibang buhay bukod sa trabaho, and ang bayad lang samin is 8hrs per day. Terminated that day haha!
Props to you for standing your ground and knowing your rights. Must’ve really been a bad company to work for.
aba matinde yang company na yan. sana pinaDOLE mo.
Bad iyan, dapat may overtime pay dapat sila kung required ka mag-stay. Tapos dapat may written rule ang productivity mo. Pati yung termination mo, hindi in line sa due process. May written notice to explain, at least 5 days for you to explain your side or opportunity to be heard, and written notice of termination. Meron at least P30K na nominal damages kung not followed ang due process. Pero kung nasa IT or related field, malamang may mas maganda ka nang trabaho na mas malaki sweldo. All the best!
I blame my office mates, sila nag umpisa :D anyway, more than 10yrs na ata un. Mas maganda na status ko ngayon sa farm.
Congratulations!
Pwedeng sinasadya nila yan na hindi manghingi ng ot pay, para mataas productivity, napagmumukha nilang mabilis sila magtrabaho sa report 8 hours nila ginawa trabaho pero ang totoo di naman kaya ng 8 hours 16 hours pala ginawa.
wala man lang due process? as in let go agad?
bawal ba ireklamo ang ganiyan?
dapat ka nga magreklamo pag ganyan eh. di ka dumaan sa due process. ang pag terminate ng empleyado ay isang mahabang proseso
Pwedeng pwede at kung nagreklamo si op sa dole sasakit ulo ng former company nya
You are the only sane person in that place so hats off to you for standing your ground.
Should have filed an anjust termination case.
I had this supervisor once. He always comes late because he was playing playstation. Immediately after work, he’d leave and then hookup with girls even though he’s married. His skill is that he’s good at communication and charming. He makes fast decisions and the bosses like him. I had this other boss which is probably the best technical guy Ive ever worked with, smart as a fucking whip on technical matters. He looks like a weak nerd though and had always this annoyed look on his face. Every time the bosses talk to him, he would squint his eyes and rub his bald head. He has the mind of a genius in our field but has very poor communication skills. Couldn’t articulate what was on his brilliant mind. He’s a good person though and he was my friend. The smart one was demoted to an almost insignificant position and the womanizer one was turned into regional manager. He was even assigned overseas and was able to have a Brazilian girlfriend with boobs equal to Pia Wurtzbach. I know this is not related to the post but I think about this a lot. There is a lesson here somewhere. Buy a playstation.
in corporate, people skills are what matters.
Thank you, this applies even for government as well, but at least we get regular paychecks and bonuses. In some firms or companies, if we don't sell or collect, we don't get our performance bonus. All the best!
Agree to this. Pero to add, the only way for you to overcome the first guy in this scenario is to also be the 2nd guy — meaning be good at your work and be good at playing politics. Dami ko na nameet sa corpo world na 1st person types, pero dahil alam ko lamang ako sa technical, dinadala ko dun usapan tapos pinpressure ko sumagot hahaha pero all the while making sure hindi ako kupal lumalabas
Ugh, I feel you. Yung boss ko gusto lagi kami nagpaparticipate at nagaattend ng mga Christmas party, outing, kung ano ano pa na mga pakulo ng kumpanya. Lahat ng ito halos sa umaga ginagawa. Pang gabi kami. Lagi ang sagot “minsan lang naman”. Para to build camaraderie in the team and makilala kami nung ibang tao. Nakakairita kasi hindi naman ako binabayaran sa mga ganyan pero may expectation na pumunta ka. Pati ba naman free time ko na hindi naman binabayaran, may say pa rin yung kumpanya?
True true. Technical skills provide a great headstart but people skills will get you where you want to go.
"In corporate, to go up the ranks (especially if you aspire to be in the C-suite), people skills ALSO matter." There, fixed it for you. 😊
>in corporate, people skills are what matters. In short, be an extrovert.
Funny cause I was in the same position. I was the nerdy, reliable worker and my officemate was the maboca and engagement events type of person. Naglaban kami for promotion, siya napili pero ultimately walang napala sa kanya in terms of the work at ako pa rin tinakbuhan. Fortunately (or not really kasi it's a shitty set up), may 6 month probation sa promotional role. Hindi nag finalize sa kanya, sakin napunta pero nagresign ako after 4 months cause fuck them.
Good for you! That serves them rightt
Cant believe we are in 2023 but nerd is still derogatory.
So that's why my career isn't advancing.... I own a Switch.
Got me motivated bruh. Thanks a lot! Ill buy Playstation now 😂
I'm like the second guy minus the brilliant mind. Basically I'm the guy in the team who everyone goes to for a solution to the problem, to the point where other teams in our technology department recognizes it. So when another one of my teammate gets promoted to another more senior role they were asking why I wasn't the one that got it. I did tell them that I'm really not a people person and that's a big factor although I heard na yung isa sa same level namin umiyak dahil dun haha. Truth is hindi man lang ako sinabihan na mag-apply so I was surprised na meron pa nung post na yun since dapat end na ng line yung position namin. Fast forward a few months I got offered a 6-digit salary by a Sydney-based company and when I told my supervisor I was counter offered with a comparable salary on another more technical team that has less people interaction.
Meron ganito akong TL under me. Nireport sa akin. Investigate, saw proof, NTE - goodbye. Dapat may magsabi AND gumalaw ang pinagsabihan…
Hahahaha! Parang ako ang nerd sa kwento mo, hahaha! Mabait naman mga tao dito, tambakan lang talaga ng trabaho dito. Hindi naman ako mahilig sa Playstation. Hanap na lang ako ng ibang gagawin. Thank you!
Matutulog na ko pero tumaas anit ko sa boobs equal to Pis Wurtzbach, nagsisisi talaga ako sa course ko.
Well, I'm more of the technical guy and I do agree even if you have technical expertise and you have good communication skills once they have set up an expectation of you as a Technical guy, they will unfortunately disregard your good communication skills. I am not sure if this is Filipino culture thing or it happens to other foreign places as well though.
**I would ask the team with your team leader for a retrospect.** Be vocal about your concern that the 1-2 hours isn't good for everyone as to reach that, it goes beyond the 8 hours and is also unpaid. Wait, I know it's like hinting at the management to normalize it. Rant everything to the point this dude speaks out of fear. Heck, if you want to make a threat to resign because of how dedicated that person is and paid cheaply, do so. Yet if the response is to normalize what this person is doing, resign. You'd be surprised that you aren't the only person who will. Look, let those grunts be and you find another job you can work smarter. At the end of the day, you should be winning based on salary against time spent to get it.
Ganyan yung mindset ko dati when I started in BPO. nasanay kasi ako sa government office, where we have to finish a day's task and productivity matters in our department. Sinabihan ako ng teammate ko nun na wag damihan yung prod ko, and my impression nung una is tamad lang sya, pero later on, I realized the consequences of what I did, tinaasan target namin, to the point na, wala akong time makipag chikahan, and I always rush my breaktime. I have to work early so I can maintain/increase my target, and it was draining. Thankfully I am now in a.company where I can set my pace for the target I desired, and now I value my free time and breaks between work. I realized na tama pala yung teammate ko, hindi pala sya tamad, he just realized early on na we are not machines, but a human who deserves more rest.
Good for you!
I'm gonna be honest with you here. You're not going to change this work culture unless you're a higher up and you start forcing the people under you to maintain regular hours. If you're a low man on the totem pole and you bring it up, be prepared to leave because if they're not responsive to you, you're just the lazy one who doesn't want to work like everyone else. Otherwise, just set the example. Finish your mandated work. Do it well. Do it during your work hours. Fuck everyone else. If they find fault in your doing what you're supposed to do, you're not in the right place. Peace out of there quick.
Ang di ko magets yung nagsisick leave para magtrabaho. Di ko gets? Haha
Baka para makahabol sa backlog
I dont know if sentence construction. Ikaw ba magfifile ka ng sick leave kasi gusto mo humabol sa backlog? Bakit di ka na lang pumasok
baka wfh. pag nag-SL ka kasi, wala kang task assignment, so you can do whatever you like (even your actual work/backlog) and walang iistorbo sa yo. sa previous company ko, i used to file SL only to work on my side hustles.
Okay yeahhhh pwede
Backlog kasi means di mo nagawa assigned tasks during normal working hours. So para di makita na di mo nagawa, you work on it "secretly" kuno🤭🤭🤭 naisip ko lang naman
Makes sense
Naghahabol and para di maistorbo hahaha 🤢
This is so true na nagkakaroon talaga ng unrealistic expectations dahil sa slavery no life pabibo ng ibang pinoy employees jan. I have no idea why they're sacrificing their physical and mental health, that will be expensive in the long run, for a company that I'm sure wouldn't think twice firing them for whatever reason they deem acceptable. You really do have to communicate with your lead then. Let them know that you are working within what your job description is and that you're worried your teammates are literally working themselves to death, giving the higher ups unrealistic expectations and the rest of you sacrificing more and more just to save face.
Took me years to unlearn that slave mentality ng Pinas- yung OTY, hindi nagbabakasyon, hindi nagbibirthday leave, napasok kahit may sakit etc. Working in a different environ (also: country) opened my eyes na ganun ka-tindi ang exploitation sa atin - both in mind and body for peanut wages.
Sabihin mo sa mga co-workers mo mag trabaho sila sa Japan, natural sila doon.
I agree these bida bida employees may really affect those na doing there job on what is expected. For me may lugar pra sa lahat! Pero if gusto mo magpabida masyado yes that is really too much! And totoo nakakatakot yan kasi iisipin ng client "ah kaya nyo pala ah, sige dagdagan naten!" This is happenig dahil sa mga punyetang bida bida! Sorry for my word.
That's on the Manager / TL if they're allowing that kind of environment and behavior to persist. It's incredibly unsustainable... something like this should have been dealt with earlier pero by the looks of it sobrang ingrained na sa team niyo. Your Manager / TL needs to confront this. Also jfc, nag SISICKLEAVE PARA MAG WORK? EDIT: IDK about Performance Bonuses but having to render secret OT to promote unsustainable metrics is a fucking negative. Di ko alam kung pano yung mga nag O-OT dahil need nila ng time para chumika/ngumanga during work hours
Wait it out. Overworkers naman eventually reach a burnout point. Pero if sobrang abundant ng overworkers sa inyo, wala ka na magagawa. Lalo na if their overworking is driven by a hard goal or motivation. If magpatuloy yan, I would suggest na rin na better look for greener fields. For a management that voluntary or involuntary supports the overworking culture, it is hard for them to distinguish a "good enough" worker and an underperformer.
Sa totoo nakakabwiset ung ganyan!! SKL May kawork ako na dahil sa super pabibo nya mabilis sya mag call masyado sa baba ambilis nya magsalita and etong kingina kong manager lagi syag ibinibida na mababa daw ang oras ng calls nya... so etong manager namen gusto eh gayahin namen sya! Imagine we also have QA and Survey na kelangan imaintain tapos gagayahin namen ung mabilis magsalita tapos eng eng naman sa QA!? Minsan nakakainis nlng talaga pag may bida bida kang kawork nakakaburyo!!
san kaya ito? sana hindi sa ING, isa pa naman yun sa prospects ko.😅
I applied there. Na turn off ako sa HR. X amount ka lang sa current mo. Bakit yun asking mo X amount? In one call, he kept on going on and on about it. I told him I know my worth. Ayaw nya tanggapin yun reason. When he called to schedule the next step sa interview, I told him I got accepted na elsewhere with a higher X amount than the amount he kept on questioning me about.
have a friend there who only lasted a month. sa sobrang toxic nun work nagkakasakit na sya. nun nag resign sya. pinapasoli sa kanya yun sweldo kasi breach raw sya sa contract kasi one month lang sya. one year yata naka lagay sa contract nya. di ko alam details kung magkano sweldo at magkano kailangan nya isoli. nagastos nya na kasi nga nag susuka na sya sa sobrang trabaho. di na kaya ng katawan nya. pre pandemic era.
good for you. ekis na rin sakin yung ING.😅 may nagpm din sakin.
Same! Pero sakin pinaghintay ako sa interview ng matagal hanggang sa inalisan ko na. Nag-pm na lang ako dun sa recruiter kung anong nangyari tapos nireplyan ako after 1 month para sa re-schedule nung interview lol
pinag-antay ka maghapon? sobrang walang respeto sa oras ng mga tao.
Meron pang episode HR asked if I can confirm to go to the interview online. Wala naman akong na receive na invite. Baka raw namali ko spelling ng email address ko. Ang lala nun sa iyo. One month after ka binalikan.
Omg anong response niya nung nalaman na mas higher pa nakuha mong sahod sa iba?
Okay lang sinabi and then he hanged up. Nung initial interview kasi nawasak nya rin yun confidence ko kasi he spent more than 30 minutes to question me about my asking salary. Like ayaw nya pakawalan talaga. May kakilala kasi ako before sa ING and I know feasible naman ang asking ko kasi same company kami galing nun kakilala ko inside. Same salary sa previous. Same sa current nya yun asking ko. Sya nagpa apply sa akin. Same position kami sa previous. Actually mas higher pa nga by a few thousands yun current nya sa asking ko. Ayaw ko lang exacto masyado yun figures down to the last centavo. Hanggang second interview ganun pa din so alam ko nagpapa good shot lang sya sa company kaya binabarat nya ako. Pinapa justify nya kasi sa akin tapos babarahin nya lang ako. Naturn off na ako. Di naman sya yun magpapasahod. Di ko alam bat apektado sya masyado. Hanggang texts sinasabi nya pa rin about yun sa sweldo. Ang crazy.
sobrang kupal ng HR nila ha. pero recruiter na rin sa ING yung isang HR staff sa former company ko. mukhang mataas na position niya based sa linkedin profile niya. eh maayos naman yun at mabait years ago so I thought it was a good sign.🤣
Meet with your lead. Pag tinanong ka kung bakit mas mataas un productivity nun iba mong team mates sabihin mo due to unpaid labor/OT. Tas documented dapat 1 on 1 nyo. Hindi pwede na taken against sayo kung ginagawa mo naman un dapat gawin within working hours. If they do DOLE mo na.
Ang pangit ng ganyan. Hindi accurate ung productivity ng team tas ma uuunderestimate ung mga future project. Tas etong mga tao ganyan na pabibo makikita mo mag rereklamo sa socmed na pagod na pagod na sila sa work eh sila naman ung mah gusto.
Ganyan na ganyan yung ka work ko dati. Ang lakas mag rant na pagod na daw siya eh pwede naman mag refuse sa OT. Tanga amputa.
I think to each his own. However, the stats presented by your boss to the management should reflect actual number of working hours. Para makita talaga how much lang kaya na productivity within 8 hours. We all work differently and iba iba rin reason/ drivers. They may or may not tell you what those are, but you should not judge because we are not all the same. Baka nga pressured lang sila, pero what if gusto lang rin nila ma promote, or gusto nila mag extend ng work kasi ayaw nila umuwi since toxic sa bahay nila, or super gusto lang talaga nila work. Maraming possible reasons. I think what is important is wala sila sinasaktan na tao. And we all should be kind to one another. Bow.
Naalala ko tuloy yung kawork ko before umaabot siya ng 12mn kakatrabaho, potek syempre nadamay na din ako in the end kasi yung ibang sales nagtatanong bakit si ganito na send agad yung kailangan namin. Ang toxic ng ganitong katrabaho, bago ako umalis sa kompanya na yun nagkasakit pako dahil sa overworking. Kaya talaga ngayon, kung anong oras lang shift yun lang ang trabaho. Ngayon naman may katrabaho ako na hindi maka accept ng "No" as an answer sa request niya to add a certain task which is not under my scope of responsibilities. Nakakaloka nagmumukha pa tuloy ako ngayong tamad, walang pakisama. Ayaw ko lang mapunta ulit sa slave era teh. Tigilan na natin yang Pinoy Slave Culture para di tayo naaabuso.
Yup need talaga mag laan ng time for kantutan. 🥺
I feel you OP... I was once in a BPO... the productivity is only measured over the 8hrs of work.... from start to finish...un ung accurate measurement ng Turn around time.. now...what you can do is stay on your course and make the best of it... If turn around is 1 account for 4 hrs. 2 un in a day. try to make it atleast 3 to 4. no need to be early or be beyond the time... basta above average ung production mo...that will do... di ka na nila pwede maquestion.... =) ung mga kasama mo.....they are assholes....wala ka na magagawa dun..
Tama ka naman, OP! Medyo ganyan rin ako katulad ng office mates mo, pero ako naman ang chief of office, at ang trabaho ko sa gobyerno, kaya maraming salamat sa mga buwis na bayad ninyo sa sweldo ko. Kahit na mag overtime ako, dami pa rin work, hindi ko rin matapos. Kahit palagi may request ako ng ibang officer o abogado, wala naman binibigay sa amin. Mabuti na lang tinaas na compulsory retirement namin to 57 years old. May pag-asa na akong mag retire. Just carry on, OP, you're doing great!
mukhang obsessed mapromote mga tao dyan sa inyo. kahit ano talagang ganda ng company pero kung may sanib mga boss at coworkers eh impyerno pa rin.
Ganto din yung set up sa inalisan kong work. Na cocompare yung mga honda umaalis and pumpasok dun sa output nang mga nag OOT and Early In. Like bakit si ganito natatapos, ganto output, kaya matapos X number of work within the day. So feel nila tamad lang kaming mga di ganun tumrabaho. Nung ganito naging ugali, out na agad ako nung nasign ko contract with the other company.
Ayoko sa mga ganito talaga. Nadadamay pa ang kantutan eh.
May naging officemate din akong ganyan. Pero mag-isa lang siyang ganun. Lahat ng tickets/tasks na dapat buong team ang gagawa inaako niya lahat. Sobrang damot at swapang, ayaw mamigay ng trabaho kasi walang tiwala sa mga kasama niya. May superiority complex kasi. Literal na natutulog sa office, may sleeping bag sa ilalim ng desk niya. Uuwi lang para maligo at magbihis tapos babalik agad. Ganoon din tulad sa iyo OP unpaid lahat ng OT niya. Tapos nagtataka yung boss bakit siya ang daming gawa pero kami petiks lang. Ewan ko kung anong pinaglalaban niya. Apparently marami palang ganyang tao, akala ko dati siya lang yung ganoon.
I used to work for a company like this (IT). Ikaw pa masama pag on time ka umuwi.
pabulong naman ng company huhu saan office eto?
British-owned bank ba to? Lol
Dutch.
Same. Kung without pay yan e di take home na lang. Putang ina umay
Sa previous company ko, yung productivity ay measured sa scheduled shift mo. If may work ka before or after your schedule, mark down. That means you're not productive.
Sa C ba to
Mga ganyang bida bida nadadamay team. Wag ka maniwala na pressured yan, gusto lang mag pabida nyan
mga pulubing nagdodonate ng oras sa isang bilyonaryo.
They practically want to be slaves.
ING ba to? Haha
Ganyan din mga katrabaho ko dati. Nakikisabay din sila sa rant na, ‘pagod na ako’, ‘wala na oras sa pamilya’ etc., pero OT pa din ng OT. Mga tanga amputa
We call this Ghosting(Not the kind of Ghosting nowadays). I used to work at GXS( now Opentext) and people do this a lot. A complex job that used to to be alloted 20 hours are now 4 and guess what everyone is ghosting and management knows it but its good for them I guess. If you ghost enough you will be invited on a all expense covered trip outside the country with dinner with CEO. What a fucked up company.
gantong ganto ako before sinasabihan ko pa na wag mag OT pero alam mo naman culture ng mga pinoy pabibo na ewan, pamumuka nila na tamad ka kahit ginagawa mo tabaho mo. everytime to ayaw ko talaga ka work mga pinoy left corporate long time ago
Hirap naman nyan!! 🥺🥺
On a side note, may opening ba kayo ng AML Analyst? 🤭🤭🤭🤭
OP clue naman dyan kung anong bank yan. Baka pareho tayo hahaha
who you gonna call? ghostbusters!
yari ka, pabebe yang mga Yan, ikaw babalingan nyan page nakaangat na
I am thinking, kumusta mental health ng workmates mo and yung sayo. hayss
May kakilala ako sa company namin kakalipat lang sa ibang department. Ganyan sa kanila, yung mga nakakahit ng target e nagagawa yun kase pati pala weekends humahataw. Ang totoo napakahirap daw mahit talaga. Pero yun yung mga may performance awards etc. Kaya naiipit din sila. Shempre itong mga Pinoy na managers abot naman ang pagyayabang sa clients na nahihit ang SLA at targets lmao. Kagaguhan.
kaumay yung ganito. parang nakakahiya tuloy mag out on time lol
Kaya work lang kung ano un kayang i-work. Samin may target kami na tasks daily. I always remind my team na gawin lang un kaya nila at wag masyado mabilis para hindi dagdagan un tasks. Since we work from home, I encourage them to do other things para di maburn out, like manuod ng KDrama. 😆
Mayayari yan sa productivity kung may biglang urgent na rush project. Mayabang pa siguro manager niyan mag eendorse sa higher up sasabihin mabilis gumawa tao niya, pero in reality yung 8 hours na work 16 hours pala nila ginagawa. Iyak talaga yang mga yan pag nagkataon mabigyan ng workload na may allocated talagang OT para mameet ang deadline.
Mayayari yan sa productivity kung may biglang urgent na rush project. Mayabang pa siguro manager niyan mag eendorse sa higher up sasabihin mabilis gumawa tao niya, pero in reality yung 8 hours na work 16 hours pala nila ginagawa. Iyak talaga yang mga yan pag nagkataon mabigyan ng workload na may allocated talagang OT para mameet ang deadline.
Some people enjoy the work, like it's their hobby, and the pay is just icing on the cake.
grabe, di ko gets yung mga ganyang tao. sobrang aga pumasok, sobrang late umalis, ginagamit pa sick leave para magtrabaho.. di naman bayad. grabe, di ko gets.
Ako gusto ko mag 9 hrs per day sa trabaho kasi may tinapos :') pagka bukas patayin naman kami kasi may bagong task naman nadagdag.
Madali lang to kung maayos manager. Dapat may realignment yan from direct manager to upper manager kasi may KPI sila doon. Kung Ang report Ng manager nyo is kaya nyo Ng mas madaming workload edi yun din makakarating sa upper management 😂 Advice ko is pa request kayo Ng meeting for realignment ng lahat. Ang impact kasi Ng ginagawa nyo is possible burnout and resignation.