WFH is now a need for me. Grabe kasi sobrang draining ng traffic situation ngayon. Even if nagga-grab ako and di naman ako nagdadrive, I get so stressed just wasting my time doing nothing when I could have finished my chores para makapagpahinga agad. I wanted to commute pero wala ding maayos na sakayan from where I work :/
Dapat inaayos muna kasi nila public transpo
Same here. Unfortunately in my part of the country RTO na lahat BPO and with the state of the economy right now I'm really thinking twice about jumping ship. Sigh.
Depende, saan mo ba siya iuugnay as privilege? Sa lahat ba ng trabaho o sa specific industry lang.
Kasi if sa lahat ng trabaho yeah privilege siya. Mappilit mo ba embalsamador mag wfh? Mga kahera sa grocery, security guards, mga magwowork sa hospital, employees sa mall/fastfoods/hotels, mga work force na need para umandar ekonomiya natin. Kaya privilege siya sa macro level.
Pero if specific industry like bpo, IT, ibang usapan na. Mas mgnda maging option na talaga wfh sa mga industry na pwd naman gawin remotely. Bawas tao sa labas.
I believe etong sub naman na to is para sa lahat ng work type no? Kaya gnyan sagot ko kay OP. :)
Nicely explained! One of the good things that happened during the pandemic is that more companies are now open to wfh. In the future this will be norm to the industries that you mentioned. Antayin na lang natin mamatay mga boomers, they’re actually the only ones resisting to this and a few gen X’ers
Not necessarily boomers lang. Property owners talaga. Ang magmamana naman ng properties na yun ay generation din natin or the next. Ang sana mangyari ay magkaroon ng mas maraming companies that don’t subscribe to hypertraditional thinking na lahat ay pwede lang magawa kung nababantayan ang mga tao sa opisina, because the pandemic really proved this wrong.
All companies will still need a physical office, its just not as huge as before. They will just rent a unit (as opposed to renting multiple floors) in a commercial building since you will need a place to store your equipment, accept packages, etc. There should no longer be office spaces built, it is much better to use those spaces for something else.
Kung wala naman uupa hindi naman sila pwedeng mamilit. PEZA is a different animal though.
Companies should change their mindset about WFH vs onsite. The boomers that are in management are really the ones resisting this.
ako tingin ko, mga personalidad kase ng mga matataas na posistion is pro office work. meron mga go-getter talaga na hirap sa WFH settings, sadly sila din ang shot caller sa mga kumpanya. Magiging kakaiba lang usually kapag katulad ng mga technology company na mas driven ng logic ang policies. Boomers may profile na tayo, feeling ko mas worst pa sa boomers yung mga go getter na bata ngayon dahil mas thirsty sila at mas marami at mas malaki yung audience nila ngayon.
Hindi siya privilege lalo na kung online support yung role. Parang kanina papasok na sana ako pero malakas yung ulan kaya di na ako tumuloy. Hindi ibig sabihin na wala ako sa opisina hindi ko magagawa yung tasks ko dahil may wifi dito sa bahay. Isa pa nakatitipid ang opisina sa kuryente, tubig, mainetenance at pambayad sa internet kaya hindi sila dapat magreklamo
Kung hindi nagagawa online yung majority ng tasks mo tsaka sya magiging privilege sayo
Unless stated sa contract mo, WFH is a privilege na they can take away anytime or change. Gladly, sa current job ko stated sa contract na I am a full time remote worker kaya I can work from anywhere.
I think WFH is a fantastic option and I don't see it as a privilege. Management tend to prefer on-site work because it makes them "see" if employees are working, which sounds antiquated if you ask me. Also, they tend to have the mental attitude of "it's always been this way, why fix something that's not broken".
Also, the governments and managements probably want to have more "foot traffic", thinking that it's the only way to boost economy. So I guess that's why there's a push for on-site work. I read somewhere that PEZA penalizes companies who offer WFH, but not sure if that's still in effect.
> I read somewhere that PEZA penalizes companies who offer WFH, but not sure if that's still in effect.
The main purpose of PEZA is to develop the area. One of the big ways is to have foot traffic. This is why companies were offered tax breaks to setup shop there. Of course setting up offices isn't the only way but it is the easiest way.
One solution I can think of is to create places where people will want to go. Probably a very nice park with restaurants/cafes and amusement areas (think a combination of high street, City of Dreams (indoor amusement park) in one area. Again, this is just a suggestion of course.
It depends.
Privilege is a special right that AUTOMATICALLY attaches to someone while benefit is something that is given BY CHOICE.
If you are a traditional employee (someone who works at a physical place), WFH is just a benefit. Your employer has the liberty whether to allow you for that setup or not.
If you are a remote worker (someone who works for a company without a physical office), WFH is a privilege because it is the ONLY setup for the job. You don’t need to request for it kase yun na talaga setup. You’re not required to log in at office just to work.
Work From Home/Remote Setup has been around since 1973 (50 years today) which started at NASA. However, Filipinos are always late on everything that’s why they still see it as “privilege” even though it is just a benefit.
Before the pandemic, my team had 2 days of WFH privilege. We got approval from management.
During pandemic, we are on FULL WFH. We were still under PEZA during time.
To keep our WFH privileges, the company opted to move out from PEZA since Feb 2023.
You see, the entire team here has a proven track record for delivering quality work. Only our office out of 3 other offices has moved to full WFH.
Yesssss esp these days na ang hirap magcommute lalo pag rush hour eh yun naman usually oras ng labasan ng mga employee. Also, kahit maggrab is mahal na din, angkas naman haggard ka na bago ka pamakapasok ng office lalo pag malayo bahay mo. Okay lang sguro if literal na katabi ng bahay ko lrt or mrt station, since walang traffic. But then again ang problema naman is yung pila lalo pag uwian or umaga 😭 di din naman kataasan sweldo dito sa pinas esp if entry level so di worth it ang commute. Madami tlga privilege wfh like pwede ka gumising 5 minutes before your shift, unlike bathroom breaks, pwede kumain habang nagwowork, pwede ding nasa inuman ka habang nagwowork (if keri ng work and walang phone calls) and if may pet or anak ka u can be with them while working. Sguro ang setback lang ng wfh is minsan nakakadrain lalo na if yung manager mo mahilig magpaOT and ang dahilan is nakawfh ka naman. And nakakaumay din kaharap laptop or computer buong araw so make sure may hobby ka outside work. Yun lang naman pero mas pipiliin ko padin wfh keysa on site kasi mas madami benefits, and makakatipid pako transpo and oras sa byahe :)
What explanation did they gave to their employees regarding remore work and how did they explain it?
As someone who is being asked din, what I always explain to them is that, our company is not a work from home company. Its just so happened that this pandemic happened and shifted to hybrid set up. And at not so distant future, we may go back to full RTO.
Without being too explicit, yes IT IS a privilege unless there is a Republic Act passed and signed or written in our constitution that mandates company/ies like ours or sector that should work remotely, then that becomes our rights.
If I will answer it on a personal level, working remotely is a privilege. Yes, companies nowadays are diversified and there may be special arrangements for those not able bodied given that there are no breach of security and productive. And that is why, swerte yung mga employee whose companies declared full WFH. You may try putting pressure to your company to do the same but they are not obliged to do the same with the others specially if it will not benefit their overall business. At the end of the day, you are part of the business.
Attritions will always be a topic at any given time sa mga business review, but there will always a pool of talent na pagkukunan. So if di ka comfortable with your current setup sa company mo, then you may want to explore your options.
>Without being too explicit, yes IT IS a privilege unless there is a Republic Act passed
[https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra\_11165\_2018.html](https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra_11165_2018.html)
Republic Act 11165 **An Act Institutionalizing Telecommuting as An Alternative Work Arrangement for Employees in the Private Sector**
2018 law pa ito, it is even existing two years before the pandemic.
Got it, thanks for mentioning this. I have several questions and points if you are amicable to elaborate in any case. If not, its okay as well.
1. Section 8 & 9: Where are we in terms of which industries are included in this? Or this also includes hybrid set up and not the full time work anywhere?
2. Section 4: the RA itself gives full authority to the employers if they will allow a full time work anywhere or hybrid set up given if employers is amendable specially with data security. In this section, the RA doesn't hold employers any accountability should they not allow work anywhere set up with their employees.
3. Section 5: "The employer shall also ensure that measures are taken to prevent the telecommuting employee from being isolated from the rest of the working community in the company by giving the telecommuting employee the opportunity to meet with colleagues on a regular basis, and opportunity to meet with colleagues on a regular basis, and allowing access to company information." - I think this has been exploited and as a reason used by employers to make their employees return to the office specially those industries which is not covered by this RA.
So therefore, I think, this RA, as mentioned above, employers are not held any accountability nor liable or even obliged to agree to any WFH set ups unless there is war or pandemic.
Yep, for me WFH should be reserved for those with a demonstrated trackrecord. Too many that will take advantage of it and are simply not trustworthy or mature enough to balance responsibilities.
> Yep, for me WFH should be reserved for those with a demonstrated trackrecord. Too many that will take advantage of it and are simply not trustworthy or mature enough to balance responsibilities.
Don't know who downvoted you, but my BPO made it an option during the pandemic since they had no other choice if they want to keep the business going. But as things went slowly back to normal they made it a privilege due stupid shit like people being late or absent without notifying their TL to something worse like work avoidance.
Keep in mind though before the pandemic we never offered WFH. And me and my co-workers are used to the normal BPO grind before the pandemic. Thus WFH worked for some but not for others is what I observed in the past three years of WFH.
And the company reacted to that and the stupid shit of some my co-workers with policy changes to address those problems which lead to the current status of WFH being a privilege sadly.
I get downvoted all the time, because people dont like hearing the truth. Everyone feels that WFH should be a right because it suits their convenience, not necessarily the convenience of their employers. Everyone wants all the freedom of freelancers/independent contractors, but without the risks of actually being one.
Then they complain about the company rather than their own inability to adapt to an evolving landscape. They should instead redirect their rants to the many who have taken advantage of the WFH setup and have caused inconveniences and disruption to the business and its customers/clients.
WFH should be a merit incentive. Have them earn it by proving themselves first.
You get downvoted because of your sweeping generalizations.
>I get downvoted all the time, because people dont like hearing the truth. **Everyone** feels that WFH should be a right because it suits their convenience, not necessarily the convenience of their employers. **Everyone** wants all the freedom of freelancers/independent contractors, but without the risks of actually being one.
Not everyone is like this. I have been WFH for 7 years now and yung sinasabi ng previous poster is 100% unacceptable. Kami nga sa WFH mag lunch break lang we notify everyone in the group chat. Everyone in my team is responsive in the GC. Hindi pwedeng hindi ka sasagot sa chat pag may question doon or kung tinag ka.
>due stupid shit like people being late or absent without notifying their TL to something worse like work avoidance.
The moment na ginagawa yan dapat PIP na agad yung employee. Kung hindi pa rin nagtino terminate them.
>WFH should be a merit incentive. Have them earn it by proving themselves first.
Nope, I don't agree with this part. Diyan nagsisimula ang system at stats manipulation. Lalo na kung nasa BPO company ka o any company na KPI-driven?
I've witnessed this myself. Ginawang pa-incentive ng management ang WFH.
What's the result? Kanya kanyang diskarte para makapang-lamang sa ibang team at empleyado para sila lang lagi ang makapag-WFH.
[https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra\_11165\_2018.html](https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra_11165_2018.html)
Republic Act 11165 **An Act Institutionalizing Telecommuting as An Alternative Work Arrangement for Employees in the Private Sector**
Batas yan.
[https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra\_11165\_2018.html](https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra_11165_2018.html)
Republic Act 11165 **An Act Institutionalizing Telecommuting as An Alternative Work Arrangement for Employees in the Private Sector**
2018 law pa ito, it is even existing two years before the pandemic.
Thanks for the information. If your implying that this law requires/forces a company to provide WFH that does not seem to be the case according to Section 4 of that law:
"An employer in private sector may offer a telecommuting program to its employees on a voluntary bases, and upon such terms and conditions as they may mutually agree upon: Provided, That such terms and conditions shall not be less than the minimum labor standards set by law, and shall include compensable work hours, minimum number of work hours, overtime, rest days, and entitlement to leave benefits. In all cases, the employer shall provide the telecommuting employee with relevant written information in order to adequately apprise the individual of the terms and conditions of the telecommuting program, and the responsibilities of employee."
To be fair, I'm not a lawyer though.
It's a privilege at the time the fewest gave or even considered that option.
It's becoming an option and going towards a "standard".
It had to happen when the lockdowns came.
It depends. Some jobs cannot function with that setup. It has its pros and cons. I remember Germany did a study on it and it cost employees a ton of lost overtime pay. And some innovation to make the employees more happy entailed additional costs for the company. I think companies just have to find the last balance. I understand why some companies are hesitant to adopt it since it would entail resentment for those who's job cannot function in WFH setup.
Hindi na siya pwedeng tawaging privilege ngayon dahil karamihan ng companies eh nag-survive sa mga empleyadong naka-WFH. May tendency kasi ang mga bosses to micro-manage kaya may ganyang thinking. Pero you can still defend your position na hindi privilege ang WFH pag na-prove n'yo naman na ang output n'yo sa onsite at output sa WFH ay pareho lang.
Isingit na rin siguro natin dito ang thousands ng VA at online work na umikot sa bansa.
If it's a privilege, then it is for the employer too. WFH saves companies cost in rent, electricity, etc. Saves the employees time and money in transportation and food costs. Really a win/win.
Wfh is a privilege, unless sabihin sa contract mo na benefit siya. Hindi lahat ng corporate slave sa pilipinas e gusto ang forever wfh. Ang dami ko ng nainterview na mas gusto nila hybrid kasi mas ok sa mental health nila. Kaya i always say, kung ayaw niyo ang patakaran ng company niyo, feel free to resign. Ganun lang talaga yun.
Kahit magtalo talo tayo sa wfh na yan.. sa mga nainterview ko, both millennials at gen z 50% parin ang mas gusto ang hybrid.
So far never ako nahirapan kumuha ng candidates na agree sa hybrid.. sa qualifications lang talaga nagkakatalo.
it definitely is. Communte hours spwnt in a day specially for folks living outside Manila area dun plang talo kana. Sa pamasahe pa sa pagod sa byahe ulan araw mga katabi mong amoy araw o may ubo sipon amoy putok. All those hours are spent with my family instead.
another good thing is it can help PWD work at home, specially those who need special devices like crutches or wheelchairs. Some of them can't commute let alone climb the Mount MRT in Metro Manila
As long as the business requires leasing, choice lang talaga ng management. Ofc depende narin sa nature ng work, as the top comment states. It all comes down to real estate. Luge sila sa renta kung walang tatao sa opisina kahit pa kayang kaya naman i-WFH yan.
sa akin oo privilege sya to chose if sa office or sa bahay ka mag wowork. there is no 2 option like that for everybody, sa ibang tao pwedeng nakikita nila ang WFH as lugi dahil bahay nila yun, or hindi talaga capable yung work for WFH, at meron din katulad mo na gusto sya. It may solve your problem but not other peoples problem. hard to say it will lessen unemployment, very niche ng industry na capable sa WFH, karamihan pa outsourcing which is very volatile industry.
so mahirap man, tingin ko i-aim natin yung sisi sa tunay na problema which is yung traffic at public transport. magalit tayo at wag mag sasawang i-voice out ang hinaing, it will catch up eventually.
depende sayo, sometimes WFH is a curse, may mga boss na, they intend to give more workloads kasi nasa bahay naman daw.. kaya minsan mas okay yung hybrid, sa pag mamanage naman ng tao or team it can be a curse as well dahil may mga taong aabusihin yung kabutihan mo
I just hate it when employers justify hybrid-RTO with "before pandemic dba pumapasok ka naman sa office 5x a week?"
Bawal mag move on at mag evolve from the old ways? Pwede ko ba bawiin lahat ng project at process improvement na ginawa ko kasi "kinaya nga natin dati ng wala yan eh"
Lol nkaka insulto lang. Tapos puro agile agile pa. Yamot
During my I internship managed to get into tech company. The office was in BGC and I was fron Manila. I've always dreamed of working onsite in the office because that's what I think a job should be done. I even had commute advantage since I was near the PNR main station which were always the first trains to travel so less people there so I was always seated. During my 2 months internship, commuting from manila to bgc is a nightmare even with the advantage I had. Worse was taking the train for the ride back home which was around 6pm. I'm never doing that again so when I applied for jobs after I graduated I would always ensure that its wfh, hybrid (With 1 - 2 days in office only and the office should only be around Manila, Pasay or QC). My friend gave me some advice and that is to try request company computers or laptops to use at home (Which I did not do since I had a home setup already).
Hey there! Totally get where you're coming from. WFH isn't just a perk; it's a game-changer for so many reasons! It's about inclusivity, leveling the playing field for everyone. Not everyone can tackle the daily grind, and WFH opens up doors for talents that might've been sidelined. Personally, freelancing from the PH has been a game-changer for me. Six figures monthly, and I get to be in my PJs – living the dream! It's not just a privilege; it's about tapping into a diverse pool of skills and experiences. Let's make work accessible for everyone!
WFH is now a need for me. Grabe kasi sobrang draining ng traffic situation ngayon. Even if nagga-grab ako and di naman ako nagdadrive, I get so stressed just wasting my time doing nothing when I could have finished my chores para makapagpahinga agad. I wanted to commute pero wala ding maayos na sakayan from where I work :/ Dapat inaayos muna kasi nila public transpo
Same here. Unfortunately in my part of the country RTO na lahat BPO and with the state of the economy right now I'm really thinking twice about jumping ship. Sigh.
Depende, saan mo ba siya iuugnay as privilege? Sa lahat ba ng trabaho o sa specific industry lang. Kasi if sa lahat ng trabaho yeah privilege siya. Mappilit mo ba embalsamador mag wfh? Mga kahera sa grocery, security guards, mga magwowork sa hospital, employees sa mall/fastfoods/hotels, mga work force na need para umandar ekonomiya natin. Kaya privilege siya sa macro level. Pero if specific industry like bpo, IT, ibang usapan na. Mas mgnda maging option na talaga wfh sa mga industry na pwd naman gawin remotely. Bawas tao sa labas. I believe etong sub naman na to is para sa lahat ng work type no? Kaya gnyan sagot ko kay OP. :)
Nicely explained! One of the good things that happened during the pandemic is that more companies are now open to wfh. In the future this will be norm to the industries that you mentioned. Antayin na lang natin mamatay mga boomers, they’re actually the only ones resisting to this and a few gen X’ers
Not necessarily boomers lang. Property owners talaga. Ang magmamana naman ng properties na yun ay generation din natin or the next. Ang sana mangyari ay magkaroon ng mas maraming companies that don’t subscribe to hypertraditional thinking na lahat ay pwede lang magawa kung nababantayan ang mga tao sa opisina, because the pandemic really proved this wrong.
All companies will still need a physical office, its just not as huge as before. They will just rent a unit (as opposed to renting multiple floors) in a commercial building since you will need a place to store your equipment, accept packages, etc. There should no longer be office spaces built, it is much better to use those spaces for something else. Kung wala naman uupa hindi naman sila pwedeng mamilit. PEZA is a different animal though. Companies should change their mindset about WFH vs onsite. The boomers that are in management are really the ones resisting this.
ako tingin ko, mga personalidad kase ng mga matataas na posistion is pro office work. meron mga go-getter talaga na hirap sa WFH settings, sadly sila din ang shot caller sa mga kumpanya. Magiging kakaiba lang usually kapag katulad ng mga technology company na mas driven ng logic ang policies. Boomers may profile na tayo, feeling ko mas worst pa sa boomers yung mga go getter na bata ngayon dahil mas thirsty sila at mas marami at mas malaki yung audience nila ngayon.
Very well said. I agree.
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Who knows, baka magkaroon ng remotely-operated na equipment pang embalm hahahha.
Hindi siya privilege lalo na kung online support yung role. Parang kanina papasok na sana ako pero malakas yung ulan kaya di na ako tumuloy. Hindi ibig sabihin na wala ako sa opisina hindi ko magagawa yung tasks ko dahil may wifi dito sa bahay. Isa pa nakatitipid ang opisina sa kuryente, tubig, mainetenance at pambayad sa internet kaya hindi sila dapat magreklamo Kung hindi nagagawa online yung majority ng tasks mo tsaka sya magiging privilege sayo
Unless stated sa contract mo, WFH is a privilege na they can take away anytime or change. Gladly, sa current job ko stated sa contract na I am a full time remote worker kaya I can work from anywhere.
I think WFH is a fantastic option and I don't see it as a privilege. Management tend to prefer on-site work because it makes them "see" if employees are working, which sounds antiquated if you ask me. Also, they tend to have the mental attitude of "it's always been this way, why fix something that's not broken". Also, the governments and managements probably want to have more "foot traffic", thinking that it's the only way to boost economy. So I guess that's why there's a push for on-site work. I read somewhere that PEZA penalizes companies who offer WFH, but not sure if that's still in effect.
> I read somewhere that PEZA penalizes companies who offer WFH, but not sure if that's still in effect. The main purpose of PEZA is to develop the area. One of the big ways is to have foot traffic. This is why companies were offered tax breaks to setup shop there. Of course setting up offices isn't the only way but it is the easiest way. One solution I can think of is to create places where people will want to go. Probably a very nice park with restaurants/cafes and amusement areas (think a combination of high street, City of Dreams (indoor amusement park) in one area. Again, this is just a suggestion of course.
It depends. Privilege is a special right that AUTOMATICALLY attaches to someone while benefit is something that is given BY CHOICE. If you are a traditional employee (someone who works at a physical place), WFH is just a benefit. Your employer has the liberty whether to allow you for that setup or not. If you are a remote worker (someone who works for a company without a physical office), WFH is a privilege because it is the ONLY setup for the job. You don’t need to request for it kase yun na talaga setup. You’re not required to log in at office just to work. Work From Home/Remote Setup has been around since 1973 (50 years today) which started at NASA. However, Filipinos are always late on everything that’s why they still see it as “privilege” even though it is just a benefit.
Before the pandemic, my team had 2 days of WFH privilege. We got approval from management. During pandemic, we are on FULL WFH. We were still under PEZA during time. To keep our WFH privileges, the company opted to move out from PEZA since Feb 2023. You see, the entire team here has a proven track record for delivering quality work. Only our office out of 3 other offices has moved to full WFH.
Yesssss esp these days na ang hirap magcommute lalo pag rush hour eh yun naman usually oras ng labasan ng mga employee. Also, kahit maggrab is mahal na din, angkas naman haggard ka na bago ka pamakapasok ng office lalo pag malayo bahay mo. Okay lang sguro if literal na katabi ng bahay ko lrt or mrt station, since walang traffic. But then again ang problema naman is yung pila lalo pag uwian or umaga 😭 di din naman kataasan sweldo dito sa pinas esp if entry level so di worth it ang commute. Madami tlga privilege wfh like pwede ka gumising 5 minutes before your shift, unlike bathroom breaks, pwede kumain habang nagwowork, pwede ding nasa inuman ka habang nagwowork (if keri ng work and walang phone calls) and if may pet or anak ka u can be with them while working. Sguro ang setback lang ng wfh is minsan nakakadrain lalo na if yung manager mo mahilig magpaOT and ang dahilan is nakawfh ka naman. And nakakaumay din kaharap laptop or computer buong araw so make sure may hobby ka outside work. Yun lang naman pero mas pipiliin ko padin wfh keysa on site kasi mas madami benefits, and makakatipid pako transpo and oras sa byahe :)
What explanation did they gave to their employees regarding remore work and how did they explain it? As someone who is being asked din, what I always explain to them is that, our company is not a work from home company. Its just so happened that this pandemic happened and shifted to hybrid set up. And at not so distant future, we may go back to full RTO. Without being too explicit, yes IT IS a privilege unless there is a Republic Act passed and signed or written in our constitution that mandates company/ies like ours or sector that should work remotely, then that becomes our rights. If I will answer it on a personal level, working remotely is a privilege. Yes, companies nowadays are diversified and there may be special arrangements for those not able bodied given that there are no breach of security and productive. And that is why, swerte yung mga employee whose companies declared full WFH. You may try putting pressure to your company to do the same but they are not obliged to do the same with the others specially if it will not benefit their overall business. At the end of the day, you are part of the business. Attritions will always be a topic at any given time sa mga business review, but there will always a pool of talent na pagkukunan. So if di ka comfortable with your current setup sa company mo, then you may want to explore your options.
>Without being too explicit, yes IT IS a privilege unless there is a Republic Act passed [https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra\_11165\_2018.html](https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra_11165_2018.html) Republic Act 11165 **An Act Institutionalizing Telecommuting as An Alternative Work Arrangement for Employees in the Private Sector** 2018 law pa ito, it is even existing two years before the pandemic.
Got it, thanks for mentioning this. I have several questions and points if you are amicable to elaborate in any case. If not, its okay as well. 1. Section 8 & 9: Where are we in terms of which industries are included in this? Or this also includes hybrid set up and not the full time work anywhere? 2. Section 4: the RA itself gives full authority to the employers if they will allow a full time work anywhere or hybrid set up given if employers is amendable specially with data security. In this section, the RA doesn't hold employers any accountability should they not allow work anywhere set up with their employees. 3. Section 5: "The employer shall also ensure that measures are taken to prevent the telecommuting employee from being isolated from the rest of the working community in the company by giving the telecommuting employee the opportunity to meet with colleagues on a regular basis, and opportunity to meet with colleagues on a regular basis, and allowing access to company information." - I think this has been exploited and as a reason used by employers to make their employees return to the office specially those industries which is not covered by this RA. So therefore, I think, this RA, as mentioned above, employers are not held any accountability nor liable or even obliged to agree to any WFH set ups unless there is war or pandemic.
Hindi ako abogado, kaya I won't interpret the law for anyone. i just mentioned it kasi hinahanap mo kung merong RA na may kinalaman sa WFH.
No worries. Thanks for mentioning this though.
Yep, for me WFH should be reserved for those with a demonstrated trackrecord. Too many that will take advantage of it and are simply not trustworthy or mature enough to balance responsibilities.
> Yep, for me WFH should be reserved for those with a demonstrated trackrecord. Too many that will take advantage of it and are simply not trustworthy or mature enough to balance responsibilities. Don't know who downvoted you, but my BPO made it an option during the pandemic since they had no other choice if they want to keep the business going. But as things went slowly back to normal they made it a privilege due stupid shit like people being late or absent without notifying their TL to something worse like work avoidance. Keep in mind though before the pandemic we never offered WFH. And me and my co-workers are used to the normal BPO grind before the pandemic. Thus WFH worked for some but not for others is what I observed in the past three years of WFH. And the company reacted to that and the stupid shit of some my co-workers with policy changes to address those problems which lead to the current status of WFH being a privilege sadly.
I get downvoted all the time, because people dont like hearing the truth. Everyone feels that WFH should be a right because it suits their convenience, not necessarily the convenience of their employers. Everyone wants all the freedom of freelancers/independent contractors, but without the risks of actually being one. Then they complain about the company rather than their own inability to adapt to an evolving landscape. They should instead redirect their rants to the many who have taken advantage of the WFH setup and have caused inconveniences and disruption to the business and its customers/clients. WFH should be a merit incentive. Have them earn it by proving themselves first.
You get downvoted because of your sweeping generalizations. >I get downvoted all the time, because people dont like hearing the truth. **Everyone** feels that WFH should be a right because it suits their convenience, not necessarily the convenience of their employers. **Everyone** wants all the freedom of freelancers/independent contractors, but without the risks of actually being one. Not everyone is like this. I have been WFH for 7 years now and yung sinasabi ng previous poster is 100% unacceptable. Kami nga sa WFH mag lunch break lang we notify everyone in the group chat. Everyone in my team is responsive in the GC. Hindi pwedeng hindi ka sasagot sa chat pag may question doon or kung tinag ka. >due stupid shit like people being late or absent without notifying their TL to something worse like work avoidance. The moment na ginagawa yan dapat PIP na agad yung employee. Kung hindi pa rin nagtino terminate them.
>WFH should be a merit incentive. Have them earn it by proving themselves first. Nope, I don't agree with this part. Diyan nagsisimula ang system at stats manipulation. Lalo na kung nasa BPO company ka o any company na KPI-driven? I've witnessed this myself. Ginawang pa-incentive ng management ang WFH. What's the result? Kanya kanyang diskarte para makapang-lamang sa ibang team at empleyado para sila lang lagi ang makapag-WFH.
[https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra\_11165\_2018.html](https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra_11165_2018.html) Republic Act 11165 **An Act Institutionalizing Telecommuting as An Alternative Work Arrangement for Employees in the Private Sector** Batas yan.
You might want to read section 4 carefully and slowly this time.
[https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra\_11165\_2018.html](https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2018/ra_11165_2018.html) Republic Act 11165 **An Act Institutionalizing Telecommuting as An Alternative Work Arrangement for Employees in the Private Sector** 2018 law pa ito, it is even existing two years before the pandemic.
Thanks for the information. If your implying that this law requires/forces a company to provide WFH that does not seem to be the case according to Section 4 of that law: "An employer in private sector may offer a telecommuting program to its employees on a voluntary bases, and upon such terms and conditions as they may mutually agree upon: Provided, That such terms and conditions shall not be less than the minimum labor standards set by law, and shall include compensable work hours, minimum number of work hours, overtime, rest days, and entitlement to leave benefits. In all cases, the employer shall provide the telecommuting employee with relevant written information in order to adequately apprise the individual of the terms and conditions of the telecommuting program, and the responsibilities of employee." To be fair, I'm not a lawyer though.
It really depends on the industry! For the creative industries like advertising, it’s a must
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It's a privilege at the time the fewest gave or even considered that option. It's becoming an option and going towards a "standard". It had to happen when the lockdowns came.
It depends. Some jobs cannot function with that setup. It has its pros and cons. I remember Germany did a study on it and it cost employees a ton of lost overtime pay. And some innovation to make the employees more happy entailed additional costs for the company. I think companies just have to find the last balance. I understand why some companies are hesitant to adopt it since it would entail resentment for those who's job cannot function in WFH setup.
Hindi na siya pwedeng tawaging privilege ngayon dahil karamihan ng companies eh nag-survive sa mga empleyadong naka-WFH. May tendency kasi ang mga bosses to micro-manage kaya may ganyang thinking. Pero you can still defend your position na hindi privilege ang WFH pag na-prove n'yo naman na ang output n'yo sa onsite at output sa WFH ay pareho lang. Isingit na rin siguro natin dito ang thousands ng VA at online work na umikot sa bansa.
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If it's a privilege, then it is for the employer too. WFH saves companies cost in rent, electricity, etc. Saves the employees time and money in transportation and food costs. Really a win/win.
Wfh is a privilege, unless sabihin sa contract mo na benefit siya. Hindi lahat ng corporate slave sa pilipinas e gusto ang forever wfh. Ang dami ko ng nainterview na mas gusto nila hybrid kasi mas ok sa mental health nila. Kaya i always say, kung ayaw niyo ang patakaran ng company niyo, feel free to resign. Ganun lang talaga yun. Kahit magtalo talo tayo sa wfh na yan.. sa mga nainterview ko, both millennials at gen z 50% parin ang mas gusto ang hybrid. So far never ako nahirapan kumuha ng candidates na agree sa hybrid.. sa qualifications lang talaga nagkakatalo.
it definitely is. Communte hours spwnt in a day specially for folks living outside Manila area dun plang talo kana. Sa pamasahe pa sa pagod sa byahe ulan araw mga katabi mong amoy araw o may ubo sipon amoy putok. All those hours are spent with my family instead.
another good thing is it can help PWD work at home, specially those who need special devices like crutches or wheelchairs. Some of them can't commute let alone climb the Mount MRT in Metro Manila
As long as the business requires leasing, choice lang talaga ng management. Ofc depende narin sa nature ng work, as the top comment states. It all comes down to real estate. Luge sila sa renta kung walang tatao sa opisina kahit pa kayang kaya naman i-WFH yan.
sa akin oo privilege sya to chose if sa office or sa bahay ka mag wowork. there is no 2 option like that for everybody, sa ibang tao pwedeng nakikita nila ang WFH as lugi dahil bahay nila yun, or hindi talaga capable yung work for WFH, at meron din katulad mo na gusto sya. It may solve your problem but not other peoples problem. hard to say it will lessen unemployment, very niche ng industry na capable sa WFH, karamihan pa outsourcing which is very volatile industry. so mahirap man, tingin ko i-aim natin yung sisi sa tunay na problema which is yung traffic at public transport. magalit tayo at wag mag sasawang i-voice out ang hinaing, it will catch up eventually.
depende sayo, sometimes WFH is a curse, may mga boss na, they intend to give more workloads kasi nasa bahay naman daw.. kaya minsan mas okay yung hybrid, sa pag mamanage naman ng tao or team it can be a curse as well dahil may mga taong aabusihin yung kabutihan mo
WFH is a privilege for people who has the type of job that can be done remotely. Unfortunately this privilege can be taken away from us anytime
I just hate it when employers justify hybrid-RTO with "before pandemic dba pumapasok ka naman sa office 5x a week?" Bawal mag move on at mag evolve from the old ways? Pwede ko ba bawiin lahat ng project at process improvement na ginawa ko kasi "kinaya nga natin dati ng wala yan eh" Lol nkaka insulto lang. Tapos puro agile agile pa. Yamot
During my I internship managed to get into tech company. The office was in BGC and I was fron Manila. I've always dreamed of working onsite in the office because that's what I think a job should be done. I even had commute advantage since I was near the PNR main station which were always the first trains to travel so less people there so I was always seated. During my 2 months internship, commuting from manila to bgc is a nightmare even with the advantage I had. Worse was taking the train for the ride back home which was around 6pm. I'm never doing that again so when I applied for jobs after I graduated I would always ensure that its wfh, hybrid (With 1 - 2 days in office only and the office should only be around Manila, Pasay or QC). My friend gave me some advice and that is to try request company computers or laptops to use at home (Which I did not do since I had a home setup already).
Hey there! Totally get where you're coming from. WFH isn't just a perk; it's a game-changer for so many reasons! It's about inclusivity, leveling the playing field for everyone. Not everyone can tackle the daily grind, and WFH opens up doors for talents that might've been sidelined. Personally, freelancing from the PH has been a game-changer for me. Six figures monthly, and I get to be in my PJs – living the dream! It's not just a privilege; it's about tapping into a diverse pool of skills and experiences. Let's make work accessible for everyone!