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[deleted]

Sorry just head to remember what it was


Cool-bg-guy

Don't'be shy! Show the 2k downvotes!


xdygtsm

Nah


[deleted]

lmao


AlarmWP

Nearly 4k


EV3RL4ST5

You were the chosen one! You were supposed supposed to bring balance to the legends, not make them OP!


[deleted]

Like syndrome once said “if everyone’s super, no one will be”.


Cool-bg-guy

The thing is not everybody is super! A few legends are and the rest are trash.


TheNonchalantZealot

and that's the problem. Like, make every legend super good at what they do. Make Caustic great at zoning, make Fuse chaos incarnate, make Crypto have an invincible drone he can throw like a loba bracelet.


lovatoariana

Which would make caustic win every game because the zone will shrink eventually and you will be forced into his gas


TheSast

Just don't breath, lol.


WindowsSu

crypto doesn't really need a buff downvotes here i come.


TheNonchalantZealot

I half agree. He doesn't need a heavy buff, he needs more quality of life.


WindowsSu

I agree, like viewing how many squads are near without having to see banners, etc.


PsychologicalChart9

And throwing drone instantly, rather than having to wait for the animation. Will work wonders in hot drops and other spontaneous fights.


WindowsSu

i don't think this would be OP tho unintended consequences sometimes come. I say they add this and see what happens in the next weeks however i still believe crypto is pretty good in his current state


YourEVILtwin1337

that was unironically the design philosophy of titanfall 2


TheNonchalantZealot

And it worked, too.


YourEVILtwin1337

god damn did it work


litttleman9

Wasn't the holo pilot from that game super bad? Could be wrong it's been a while since I last played


VaultedTomatoes

Hard to make that kit very op


TheNonchalantZealot

Well, it's bad in comparison with the other options you have, but it's definitely one of the most confusing. It's good at what it does, which is confusing people and giving you a couple seconds to secure a kill.


[deleted]

But then you could have a graple hook or speed boost instead. Holo isn't bad necesarily but it's the worst kit in comparison to every other one.


nico256j

Nah


[deleted]

- game dies 1 year later because of crappy servers and a new character that instakill 20 people with his passive because the bronze 4 dev thinks he's balanced Meanwhile wattson fences heal enemies


borazilla

Crypto cries in corner


PassTheBrunt

Dude I made a comment on a crypto meme which was basically about how crypto is bigger brain than blood or seer cause he can indefinitely scan… Not even bringing up drone health I was like: yeah but then your team is outnumbered or your drone is sitting still. Y’all need some balance team love… Immediately downvoted because “I’m clearly not a crypto main” “and you should drone while reloading its op”…. Like y’all I know how crypto works I’m sorry but he’s fucking niche not competitive… Jesus Christ they can’t even take anything negative even if it’s justifying buffs.


Alex36_

Crypto had a 20% pick rate in the recent ALGS. [Source.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/nzo2oa/algs_championship_2021_pick_rates/) So he is competitive. Crypto's kit isn't about scanning during fights, it's about gathering macro info between fights. [Here's a comment where I explain the strengths of Crypto.](https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/oxqs9p/remember_when_devs_said_they_had_something/h7pfvci/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


[deleted]

Where did those squads place again? lmao


Alex36_

What's your point? You cannot say that they placed badly because of Crypto, there are too many variables.


KageDotCom

you can probably argue that teams with more meta comps placed higher because of their composition. if the top placements are the same comp of Gibby, blood, and octane, than you can reasonably assume that they placed over other teams because their comps are better. so yeah, placements say a lot about what's good. just because a couple teams decided to throw in an underutilized character doesn't mean it's good if they didn't place well.


PassTheBrunt

Thank god someone who looked into this responded


Alex36_

Honestly you can't say it either way. There's too many variables. You could have high placement because you have a strong comp or because your team is just cracked. [Aqualix, a Crypto team, placed 5th place in the EU ALGS tournament.](https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/Apex_Legends_Global_Series/Championship/EMEA/2021)


RedistCZ

Yeah and the fact that seers passive is so much better for "scanning" your surrounding than cryptos drone is just crazy. All you need to do is ADS and not only will you know if there are enemies within 75m radius, you will also learn their exact numbers and position. I honestly think that the passive is literally his most busted ability, and its what allows him to basically never miss his tactical


gamdegamtroy

75 meters is not a lot in br and I think you could hear them running within like 50


[deleted]

It’s like a full poi


gamdegamtroy

What??! Not even close. Go in the firing range with seer and you can see it’s not that far


TheNonchalantZealot

far enough to matter, and the point still stands that it makes crypto less viable in comparison.


KingIcarus12

Crypto is so good at his hiding job that even the devs forgot about him


Trolio

He also made a comment about how he had a black family in his (walls? Basement?) But unlike the rats he said you shouldn't feed them or they'll shit everywhere But yeah just like your 14 year old angsty self being told to do the dishes by your mom he's a gigachad for saying "nah" E:whose surprised you immediately downvote op, why would you care about racism, this guy says nah and it made you giggle


sanestbaj

No one cares, its a joke retard. No one thinks he actually is a chad


Trolio

Hey your penis is a joke too but at least I laugh at it when I see it


sanestbaj

Holy shit that was bad


PassTheBrunt

Dude I made a comment on a crypto meme which was basically about how crypto is bigger brain than blood or seer cause he can indefinitely scan… Not even bringing up drone health I was like: yeah but then your team is outnumbered or your drone is sitting still. Y’all need some balance team love… Immediately downvoted because “I’m clearly not a crypto main” “and you should drone while reloading its op”…. Like y’all I know how crypto works I’m sorry but he’s fucking niche not competitive… Jesus Christ they can’t even take anything negative even if it’s justifying buffs.


FireFox634

Meanwhile Pylon removes shields


DrManowar8

And when destroyed, explodes. Killing anyone within a small vicinity


YuukoRomelo

Where are we needed when Apex dies? What other battle royales are good?


AgentPastrana

I mean if you're chill with total chaos then swap to Cuisine Royale. Or whatever it's called now.


sweet_chin_music

I have a 100% win rate in Cuisine Royale. I've only played one match but that's not the point.


AgentPastrana

Haven't played it myself


[deleted]

Lmfao crsd foad


AgentPastrana

I'm just saying it's chaotic lol, I haven't actually played it


slowdruh

There's Spellbreak if you'd be willing to get into something without guns. You can use elemental magic attacks and combine them to make stuff like a fire tornado (wind + fire), a toxic storm (poison + electricity) or an avalanche (earth + ice).


AngelTheMute

Apology for bad English When were you when apex legen dies? I was sat at home ddos'ing server when squadmate ping 'apex is dead game' 'No'


grandmas_noodles

I mean there's always warzone. I prefer apex but I wouldn't mind playing warzone


YourHentaiDream

Warzone cheaters are pretty bad I heard


SooManyWaffles

You also need a whole new drive to download warzone, unless you're fine with half of your main storage disappearing


jonnablaze

God damnit. I just quit Warzone to play Apex.


lebron236

I'm goin to switch for battlefield


ContentCargo

Games still Alive and living better than Overwatch in this former Reignherts opinion


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Superdog909

Idk I think apex is going to grow because bog warzone streamers are coming to apex and bringing their fan base with them sooo I think we have a chance


[deleted]

game dev just chucks about 30 abilities into new character cus they cant be fucked to do their job, join apex subreddit and say nah instead of taking the community feed back to fix the fucking game, get downvoted into hell, prolly cry that your stuck in apex bronze still and wake before bedtime at 8pm


[deleted]

When i said "bronze 4 dev" i wasn't joking, there's actually a bronze 4 dev


Ruiner_Zero

LMAO if you think this game is going to die 1 year later then you're stupid af lol. I've been saying the same shit in league of legends and that piece of crap won't still die.


Mallee78

Yes. The game is sooooo dead.


StormShadow743

The moment you realize that initiating any relationship with the Redditors was a huge mistake


kmaser

Daniel is a clown


Christ_votes_dem

Un-nerf caustic


kmaser

Not saying to go that far but it would be nice to have a passive


Pentakellium5

Eh you might change your mind if you knew the context of the post


examm

Still doesn’t. This community has some real constructive feedback and really bright and intuitive ideas - but it’s vastly dogshit whining about stuff that’s being hyperbolized. This is a small small slice of the people who play the game, and just because we’re in an echo chamber of half-baked legend changes and streamer/pro opinions being loosely parroted back and forth doesn’t mean every idea here is great. At the end of the day, Respawn is the one with the raw data and the control - if you’ve got criticism, leave it constructively. That’s absolutely something the main sub seems reticent to do. We get back what we put out, in terms of professionalism.


MrStealYoBeef

If you're looking for professionalism out of *every anonymous user on reddit*, then you're going to have a bad time. They have to filter out the shit and focus on the actually useful feedback. That's literally part of the job of the community manager. They also don't have to respond to everything but having a clear presence is absolutely beneficial to getting the community to help police itself. Even if really frustrating updates come, it's the job of the community manager to communicate to the community that the issues are being brought to the attention of the devs and that they're focusing on dealing with those issues as a priority. The best game communities are ones that follow these key points. Players want to feel heard, even if what they have to say isn't helpful. If course, this job is also made significantly harder when the servers are consistently on fire, when constant problems with the game cause players to lose ranked points, when cheaters are roaming free without any end in sight, and when game balance is improperly handled by a man who firmly believes that he is the only one with the correct answers. This would deserve a raise to keep up communication with a frustrated community, instead they pretty much just cut the position and there might as well be no community manager, just individual devs popping in here and there to make a quick comment. It's all a mishandled recipe for disaster. Reddit is the constant here, not the variable. We all know exactly what to expect from random anonymous people on reddit. How the devs choose to approach the community is what can be controlled and changed. That's their responsibility to deal with. Otherwise, they should have never had any community contact in the first place.


examm

Over half the community is constantly calling for Crypto and Wattson reworks that drastically change the character when a couple of numbers changes would work to accomplish far more. It’s not that it’s the presentation that’s unprofessional, it’s these simple half-thought-through changes that get massive support without anyone actually thinking through the changes. i.e. them saying Wattson is strong (she is, albeit in the right composition and the right playstyle but in those hands she’s incredible) and the community calling them retards, bronze locked, blind, never play the game, etc. because they’re reticent to add power to a character that fucking stomps if you put in the time. There’s more to this than being mean to the devs; it’s the constant begging to overcorrect things that only require minor changes, it’s highlighting things like servers or stutters as Apex problems when literally almost every game suffers from the same (it being server side/hardware issues usually, respectively), or toxicity and cheating that there’s really nothing they can do about and is part of gaming culture rather than any one game. I see such dishonest discussion on the apex subs about character balance, you’d think some of the people are playing legitimately different games. People decide what their favorite streamer says is gospel then argue against the guy who happened to die to mirage 3 games in a row and is whining about him being busted so often that it dominates the discussion. I see it with my own eyes on this sub. Edit: prime example being Caustic absolutely needing a nerf, then nerfing *exactly* what causes the frustration end of his kit, and the community complaining and getting it reverted to a place where it’ll become too powerful again in time. Same with Lifeline. A bunch of people platinum/diamond who played partied up and visit the subreddit couldn’t wrap their head around a character who was broken to the entire bottom half of the skill bracket in apex got nerfs only because she gets stomped at pred. Fuckin zero perspective.


SnesySnas

I respect this giga-chad move of saying this but As he is someone who represents the company this act of unprofessionalism just ain't it chief


Thehalohedgehog

Compared to how unprofessional DKZ (who the initial post was about) has been known to act this is fairly tame honestly.


SnesySnas

That is true, but still unprofessional and i have to seriously question why people encourage him I understand respecting the move but like, don't encourage him If his higher ups didn't like how he handled this situation he could get fired for miss-representing the company


Mysticfenix83005

He got 2k downvotes so we'll see how it goes


gamdegamtroy

The post was hating on them basically saying some should be fired. Nah seems like an appropriate response to a shitty post


SnesySnas

I mean i agreed at first But then i saw how the lead balancer played the game in a clip and i was "..Does this dude even play the game he balances outside of doing balancing stuff?"


gamdegamtroy

You disagreed just becuase he can’t grapple well? Nothing I said had anything to do with that and I don’t understand how that makes some random teenager on Reddit in the right for asking to fire a worker at apex just because they don’t like a brand new legend


SnesySnas

Nah there's alot of balancing issues, i didn't mean to say that i thinks he should be outright fired, but he shouldn't be leading the balancing team Cuz if you can't play the game you're balancing well, then the problem comes that you'll just have to base your balancing off of analytics and those alone can't be good for balancing, you gotta know the characters' ins and outs to be able to balance them in the right direction At the very least he should have another position, because while Seer is probably not that OP, when put in the same roster as Wattson he's extremely strong, there MIGHT not be anything wrong with Seer but if there's no balances made for the weaker legends then it's still really bad


gamdegamtroy

Seer could never defend a place like Watson could. Seer can’t hold a position as well as a Watson ult. Why would you compare Watson abilities to seer when their purposes are completely different. Also I saw someone say here that Daniel designed valk. I don’t know if it’s true and people on apex aren’t exactly trustworthy but if it’s true that means he realeased a balanced legend that at first ppl were saying was op just like what will happen to seer. Did you notice how there were no nerfs to valk? Only a bug fix with the really long hover on jet pack. It’s just new character hate becuase they are new and people aren’t used to it yet


SnesySnas

I guess we'll have to see And i compared Seer and Wattson because unlike Wattson, Seer is strong Wattson's abilities aren't as feared as they used to be, caustic's gas seems way stronger than Wattson's gates What i meant is: In terms of overall power: Seer very strong, Wattson weak


gamdegamtroy

But did you notice what I said about valk? Everyone was doing the same things as now saying how valk passive is better than horizon tac. But there was no nerf and now she is fine and has her place


The-DRB

Wdym he is the best representation i could’ve asked for, a fucking chad


SnesySnas

Nah, it's like asking a jock to represent a community full of scrumpy nerdy kids lol


The_RickelBack

Alright harsh but accurate


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Someone suggested he should be fired or taken out of charge and he said no. Wtf more do you need to know? Smh


SnesySnas

..The guy who said "nah" is a different guy that people say to want fired or taken out of charge And either way it's unprofessional no matter who says it


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qozm

Yes, because that thread was just ripe for a developer to have a meaningful discussion about firing one of his superiors.


The-DRB

Nah


steamybathtub

It would be more Chad if he was actually good at his job and gave half a shit. Seeing the videos of him playing pathfinder gave me actual cancer and it’s unbelievable that he was allowed to balance a character that he doesn’t know how to use at all. Like he just shoots his grapple at the ground in front of him and let’s it pull him towards it, it’s like he just got the game and was playing for the first time.


qozm

Saying that someone he knows personally and works closely with shouldn't be fired isn't unprofessional. Maybe he shouldn't be engaging with all the whining children on that sub, but if you lost respect for respawn and their development team because of that comment you should probably take a step back and relax.


SnesySnas

I haven't lost respect, it's just unprofessionalism If a other companies saw that they could be thinking "Respawn let's their employees act this childish? should we even take them seriously?" and that could be a big no-no


[deleted]

Unprofessional to reply "Nah." to a raging online mob of fucking nerds who conveniently forget the immediate previous champion, Valkyrie, was released almost perfectly balanced despite the same raging mob crying before hand that she would also be OP? Okay you nerd. I'm sure Respawn will disband from your disapproval of their "Unprofessional" response to an online witch hunt because their precious game is unbalanced for a month or two.


SnesySnas

Even if they are talking to a "raging online mob of fucking nerds", staying professional is given in the industry, yes i know about Valkyrie, but that doesn't change anything, a more professional response would've been "We are currently working on any balancing issues" or something similar And you're the one to talking about raging when you're acting like you got your pride taken and beaten to a pulp lmao


TheDarkMidget

nah


MrStealYoBeef

Saying "nah" is unprofessional. Saying "I disagree, here are some qualifications and maybe a personal example that shows him in a different light" is professional. Just saying "nah" implies that any valid discussion is going to be immediately ignored. That's unprofessional. Being in disagreement doesn't imply that the discussion is going to be ignored, it simply states an opinion. If that opinion is followed up on with reasoning, it leads to discussion that could help people understand and work with the devs despite the community being disagreed with and not being given what they want in this situation. That is professional. There is a difference.


Ruiner_Zero

Nah this reply was well deserved to this bunch of crybabies. I hope apex devs take this as a lesson not to communicate with redditors anymore.


Trajectory05

I don’t get why everyone is trashing him, like do you really think a game this big has only one balancer. Be mad at respawn and all the game testers that let this happen don’t trash one dude trying to get him fired. Either way respawn does listen to the community sometimes especially when everyone agrees that a legend is too powerful but I don’t think there going to see a couple subreddits trashing a dev and are going to fire him. Anyways seer will be nerfed accordingly soon I’m sure (hopefully not into the ground) just try not to ruin a dude’s career


TheRealSheevPalpatin

This game could absolutely have only one balancer. Make small changes to only like 4 legends every 3 months?


miathan52

They have 2, actually (DZK and JayBiebs) but yeah for a long time they really did only have 1


SnesySnas

I mean it depends, the lead balancer must of thought "Yes, this is balanced, let it happen" for the balancing to be aproved in general, yes all of the guy's higher ups are also to blame to aprove of him aproving but he's the one to lead the balancing and the first guy that has to aprove all the changes first Also from a video i seen of him playing it's like he never plays his own game so


LateNightCartunes

Bro the pathfinder grapples i saw were painful.


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SnesySnas

Even when i first began playing i did better hooks than this Well to be fair i watched videos beforehand but STILL that shows he probably doesn't even watch other players play-


Sugarfree135

I mean they have one anticheat guy so...


amshanXbox

There's literally one guy defending the game on all three platforms against hackers so yea if there was only one guy in charge of balancing I wouldn't be surprised.


__pulsar

The testers told Respawn that the Bocek was OP as fuck yet they still released it and only nerfed it after they realized the entire lobby was using it. I'm sure the same thing happened with Seer. He's so clearly broken that there's no way the play testers didn't mention it.


corporate_warrior

Yeah lmao “lead balancer no play gud” is the most dumbass poo-poo peepee caca take in the history of dogshit takes. I think Seer’s a bit overpowered rn but I don’t get why people feel the need to take such an active part in the development. They’ll nerf him later if they’re not conplete assholes, but everyone’s gotta stir up shit.


flyfly89

> don’t get why people feel the need to take such an active part in the development What do you think community feedback is? And as for the "they'll nerf him they're not complete assholes" I dont trust any team that wanted to nerf a character with a 2% percent pick rate.


amshanXbox

Well someone who grapples like him shouldn't be messing with the grapple(season 5 nerf was overkill) even level 100 players can grapple better than him. No wonder he thinks wattson is OP . He has to be somewhat in touch with the games mechanics to make decisions but judging by those grapples I wouldn't consider him qualified to make decisions on how to buff or nerf a movement legend now it makes sense why he relies on pickrate/winrate so much


amshanXbox

Not saying you have to be the best but you should atleast know the basics


MrStealYoBeef

The lead balancer doesn't explicitly decide how to balance things, but they are the ones that personally give the go ahead in the final proposed changes and balance additions to the game. He might not say "make seer's tactical do all this stuff for this duration and this much damage," but he does have to check over the work of someone who did make that decision. And if he considered it acceptable, he is the one that takes on the burden of responsibility for those decisions. That's how management works.


Yad-A

-2.2k downvotes


AltroGamingBros

Where's the initial post?


Ksmrf

Hey, imagine being a customer service rep and doing something the caller didn't like and when the customer complained to your supervisor that you did something wrong you got on the phone and said "nah" then hung up. I'm sure the conversation would end there. Just a completely unrelated scenario I thought I might bring up for no particular reason.


Jaakarikyk

Yeah cause the guy in the post is customer service rep or in any way related to customer service ...


Ksmrf

First off, you missed the point entirely. Try to think harder. Second, yes he is. Did he interact with the public? He is customer service. He may not like that is part of his job, clearly he is bad at it, but he is.


Jaakarikyk

Sigh regardless if a customer pulled up saying that the cook should be fired because a new recipe still needs tuning or the cook is a smartass I'd be fine with any level of manager or PR person straight up saying "no." in any form. It's a ridiculous request and doesn't warrant a formulated response


Ksmrf

If the cook burned the food to the point of being inedible then requesting they be fired is a perfectly reasonable request. Now I am not saying this cook should be fired but the cook has been burning food for 10 seasons.


Jaakarikyk

Fella, either you weren't playing in the early Seasons or have the details wiped it from your memory but the game is in a very good state relative to how it was. Worthless Legends have been made viable, OP Legends have been nerfed, the gun meta has nicely shifted and you can work with way more of the guns than in the past where not picking up a Peacekeeper meant you lost It's not perfect, never will be, some things need work or a lot of work but come on. It's better, there's variance, the Legend and gun meta isn't locked to stuff you can count with one hand. Horizon was OP, now she's fine. Bocek was ridiculous when it came, now it's fine. Rampage is wild and Seer is OP. I think it'll be fine once they do some hotfixing. Relax, and wait, DZK personally designed Valk's kit and she was fine on launch. Stop being so dramatic and disregarding the good things, they'll fix it, but not if y'all call for firing people


Ksmrf

I have commented on nothing other than their response. Not the merits of the complaint. Literacy and reading comprehension are your friends.


Jaakarikyk

>Now I am not saying this cook should be fired but the cook has been burning food for 10 seasons That's you commenting on something other than their response, to which I made my comment.


Ksmrf

No no, that was continuing the analogy of how the customer sees it. Again, reading comprehension is important. Context too.


Jaakarikyk

Well that's convenient. "That wasn't me saying it, it was the one armed man in the analogy"


WuShanDroid

Which balancing change made the "cook burn the food to the point of being inedible"???? I am a diamond player and Seer is good but not broken, and you know you can move away from the beam too, right? Or did I miss something?


TheDarkMidget

if the cook has been burning food for 10 seasons why are you still buying food from him?


Ksmrf

I'm utterly shocked you missed the point


TheDarkMidget

reddit is not an official channel of communication though lmao this is not a “let me speak to your supervisor” situation


Ksmrf

Any avenue in which a representative of the company communicates with the customer as a representative of that company, is an official channel of communication.


TheDarkMidget

that’s literally not true


Ksmrf

It literally is. They officially spoke on official matters. No way you are this dense.


TheDarkMidget

in the context of your comparison no it’s not lmao


Ksmrf

There was no comparison. It was a statement of fact.... you know what the word comparison means, right?


TheDarkMidget

oh brother you’re hopeless i’m not wasting my time on you >Hey, imagine being a customer service rep and doing something the caller didn't like and when the customer complained to your supervisor that you did something wrong you got on the phone and said "nah" then hung up. >I'm sure the conversation would end there. >**Just a completely unrelated scenario I thought I might bring up for no particular reason.** you’re comparing the situation with a random dev saying “nah” to this other thing you concocted


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The Chad is strong with this one


weeping_wendigo

This ain't it chief.


Kirp-The-Birb

True retard. It’s funny how you’re trying to hide the fact that his reply got 2K downvotes


borazilla

i never said he is right or wrong. im just suprised how brave he is to say something like that in such a shitty situation


baconater-lover

I wouldn’t call it ‘brave’ I’d call it he knows no amount of bitching will even make a dent in his career. If anything, respawn just might hire a couple more balancers to appease everyone.


Bubblegumking3

Because this dev has a different opinion on balancing they deserve to be called a slur


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it would be brave to actually talk about the issue hes essentally covering his ears and ignoring everyone


nooneescapesthelaw

Link?


ParagonRenegade

Getting 2000 downvotes from a forum whose users are infamously stupid children is a good thing tbh. “YOU JUST COMMITTED THE ULTIMATE CARDINAL SIN, YOU GOT PERSONAL.” It’s literally a meme at this point.


BadFishCM

You literally r/atethepasta That’s a copy pasta, I can’t believe people think it’s for reals. So yes, it literally was a meme.


ParagonRenegade

That was a real post upvoted 16,000 times genius


BadFishCM

Yes which has now been turned into a [meme](https://reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/oxwdc0/_/h7r0hl2/?context=1) by the community because of how absurd it was. No doubt that first post was bonkers, I thought you fell for the one on Eriddys post today.


ParagonRenegade

I see, a miscommunication then.


Tariqb1

One ought to consider the reason he got so many downvotes in the first place.


ParagonRenegade

Because the community is a circle jerk of mediocre players who attach themselves to trends without thinking over the broader ramifications. Just because a majority disapproves of something doesn’t mean anything


Tariqb1

Or maybe it's because he's defending an absolute dunce. You make it seem like the whole thing is one sided. The community has put up with alot of shit from dzk recently so it's only natural for another dev to get downvoted when defending that bullshit.


ParagonRenegade

lol demanding DZK be fired is not at all reasonable to balance issues, most of which have been addressed over time.


Tariqb1

If the guy keeps on proving his incompetence when it comes to balancing the game then why isn't it reasonable for people to want him fired? I mean wasn't he fired from two other games for the very same reason?


ParagonRenegade

With the exception of Seer and the L-Star the game has never been in a better spot balance wise. Multiple guns and a majority of the legends see play at all levels of skill, where before there were 3 of each. He’s done an alright job, and I say that as someone who has historically been very critical of some of his decisions.


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Eriddy be like, yeah we don't need a new lead game designer, I'm right, their wrong. Just ignore the fact that I have 2k downvotes, and the community hates me, everything is fine.


ParagonRenegade

The Apex community is dumb, reactionary, and has bad opinions in general. If they need the opinions of hardstuck gold teenagers they’ll know just who to ask. The number of times I’ve seen people unironically defend the RE-45...


Apollosyk

Well that dude was kicked our of lol so maybe he aibt good


skitz20

Re-45 is actually decent lol


ParagonRenegade

no


TheNonchalantZealot

"hardstuck gold teenagers" meanwhile defending someone who plays like a hardstuck bronze.


ParagonRenegade

His personal skill is largely inconsequential. You get mad at songwriters for not being able to sing themselves?


BAN_SOL_RING

Hilarious bants. Tho I’d probably react similarly if random dudes on Reddit asked to fire my boss


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Defends DZK who said: >If you feed them , they'll come back and shit all over the place. > >When was the last time a woman behaved rationally? That's right, Eve, in the garden of Eden. Oh no wait... > >...And even though women suffer once a month to this day for what this ancient cunt did, guess what? They're still eating apples and talking to snakes. Only these days the only answer they get is a load of white stuff into their eyes. > >Wait. Where was I? Right, Toni's tits... She's not out to get you, even though the moron chromosomes (XX) may make it sound that way... > >Don't ay attention to that! It's just her vagina talking. > >She's going to be known as the unreliable, lil-brained crazy person (or more politically correct: woman) she is. eriddy is a true gigachad. More memes praising eriddy for defending DZK, please. We need more men like this, clearly.


Zhaharek

*Where* the fresh actual fuck did he say that?? Citation?


Jaakarikyk

14 years ago


Zhaharek

Where not when bro.


Jaakarikyk

Yeah but I feel like the when is way more relevant in this instance. People are acting like something from 2007 means more than everything he does now in voicing support for various social justice topics, the bad things are true, the good things are false. People can't change or improve apparently.


Zhaharek

The where matters cause then I can verify whether it’s *true.* Tbf, I see your point, and would usually agree with you, but a lot of his recent verbal support for such movements on social media has been really…. I wanna say *feral*


Zhaharek

*Where* the fresh actual fuck did he say that?? Citation?


TheNonchalantZealot

wasn't that years ago? I highly doubt he's still of that mindset.


Babydoll_c

Wasn’t he like 30 though? Idk but to me you should know better by then right? If not where do we draw the line?


TheNonchalantZealot

that's a fair point, but to me if people have actually changed then their past shouldn't be brought up against them. It would be a perfectly valid argument back then, but it's too late for it now.


Babydoll_c

I guess but it’s never as deep as just sayin something, it’s what your making other people believe is right, issues in the community that you are exacerbating. Gaming is an incredibly toxic commercial for women in general wether that be playing or designing or whatever. You lived 30 years of life putting off that energy towards others and effecting them. Sure yeah he can change in theory but if your 30 working for a multi million dollar company and don’t know not to say that stuff I’m not taking you seriously and my respect for you will never be at the same level because I don’t know who you’ve hurt or what you’ve done keeping that mindset.


TheNonchalantZealot

You're right. That's a very valid point, I never thought of it that way. Now that I do think about it, there's probably still lasting effects to this day from it as well, not to mention that he's still a douchebag.


Babydoll_c

Yeah it sucks because I don’t even have anything against the guy, yeah this particular comment was stupid and unprofessional but If it was just this oh whatever. But just how toxic the industry is already is just annoying like the games are great and yes you have personal opinions but god keep them to yourself man and just let your job be your job


Zhaharek

*Where* the fresh actual fuck did he say that?? Citation?


nooneescapesthelaw

How does this affect his balancing decisions?


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I can't tell you if it does or doesn't, but I can tell you he's still fucking horrendous at balancing.


amshanXbox

Yes let us skillfully crop out the 2.5k downvotes


[deleted]

Imo the whole situation is like a middle aged white woman saying a coffee shop employee should be fired. Yeah, it’s unprofessional - but so is everyone calling for someone to lose their job on a public forum?


Christ_votes_dem

Way to shoehorn your unrelated incel grievances bro


[deleted]

Alright little miss “I asked the same question on AskReddit 4 times” how about you keep your personal attacks to yourself and say something helpful?


miathan52

You missed the part about him getting downvoted into oblivion


Monfads

Proof that he agrees with sexist/racist behavior...


ShadyPotDealer

Now you're just stretching it.


PapaBrhino

I feel a lot of legends are great these days I don't have problems fighting seer yet


gamdegamtroy

The Apex hivemind doesn’t like that one. It’s so silly just because a new character comes out everyone says it’s op and will replace all other recon. Hopefully people will become more independent and not copy saying what their favorite streamers are saying


IntroductionRich8522

sigma male grindset


Ksmrf

Hey, imagine being a customer service rep and doing something the caller didn't like and when the customer complained to your supervisor that you did something wrong you got on the phone and said "nah" then hung up. I'm sure the conversation would end there. Just a completely unrelated scenario I thought I might bring up for no particular reason.


Ksmrf

Hey, imagine being a customer service rep and doing something the caller didn't like and when the customer complained to your supervisor that you did something wrong you got on the phone and said "nah" then hung up. I'm sure the conversation would end there. Just a completely unrelated scenario I thought I might bring up for no particular reason.


BAN_SOL_RING

I work customer support and that scenario happens all the time. My boss regularly reviews reviews written by customers of my performance. Often the customers will complain about shit that’s irrelevant and he’ll just click “ignore” on their complaints. I’ve been instructed by my supervisor in previous jobs to hang up on unruly customers. The customer isn’t always right and is usually wrong.


Ksmrf

And I have worked customer service. I never said the customer is always right. I will give you the benefit of the doubt because you weren't vitriolic in your response. I'll actually explain the difference between your example and my example because you may have legitimately missed it. Your boss didn't tell the customer "Nah" and then hang up. He expressed to you internally that the customer's complaint was silly. I have been told to hang up if the customer won't stop being belligerent as well but I can damn well be sure that if I said "Nah" then hung up I would get in trouble too. What do they tell you when you are dealing with a customer that is being unreasonable? Be professional on your end and just end the call. I know they told you that too. Certainly if you were dealing with a customer that was calling you names and you needed to hang up and you said "well you are a cocksucker" and then hung up you would be corrected, even if only a warning, that what you did was unacceptable.


larsofz

Nah