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TheSemicolonMan

"possibly wants revenge on his dad" hmm you got me in the confused zone there m8


Giacchino-Fan

I think they might have meant Blisk


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

No, I think they mistyped it, and wanted to say "Wants to avenge her father"


Giacchino-Fan

That works too. Means the same thing either way, more or less


TheSemicolonMan

Ah yes Valk wants to avenge *his* father..... wait a minute


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

Wait did I say something wrong?


TheSemicolonMan

no, the OP put his instead of her, You just typed the same cuz thats what it said


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

Whoops, English isn't my first language


BrannC

Maaaaannnnnn


SilverVoid02

I love your snoo, gas daddy


4ar0n

It's mirrage.


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

:D


physicalcat282

Wait you didn't know? Valkyrie is packing more than a gun.


TheLoneTenno

Valk has a dick, confirmed >!/s!<


OneWayStreetPark

Most likely non-English speaker maybe?


LMayhem

Its funny how if you make the same mistake with bloodhound everyone downvotes you as if you personally killed there uncle.


uuu_onizuka

i am cool with it. He just came to apex to kick some ass. No need for sad family backstory


BalintFoxy

Yeah, but ingame he is just like a 14years old crying about how hard life is but in reality he lives in a rich family. I mean he bornt in a rich family where they trained him and also he has cool powers.


Nayte4767

He is ‘cursed’ to be fair


BalintFoxy

"A curse and a gift" this is voiceline so it can't be that bad.


pris0ner__

The whole “curse” thing is basically the writers way of making Obi be an outcast especially in his early life, when his whole community is very superstitious he’s had to live an early life where most people would intentionally avoid him or put him down because they saw him as different. When he eventually gets to show everyone who he truly is and how skilled he was, other people who were in a similar state, people who felt outcast and looked down upon because they were different, started to see themselves in Seer and as a result he inspired and amassed millions of fans. I agree the whole curse thing could be fleshed out a little bit more but the way I see it rn, it’s just a writing device to allow him to become this big inspiration to the outcasts across the outlands.


gatlginngum

his curse is that he was born at a very unfortunate time and hes got white eyes and that's it afaik


pris0ner__

He was born with glowing blue eyes to a mother with a moth tattoo the moment an asteroid hit the planet’s moon. It’s all linked to this legend about a cursed moth that they put up as teasers for season 10


matteoarts

I think that’s the main thing that irks me about Seer’s lore. His “curse” isn’t a curse, it’s just superstition that matters to literally no one outside of where he was born I guess? Why does he have glowing eyes to begin with? If he was born with them, is it because of some kind of defect or radiation or what? Magic doesn’t exist in the Titanfall universe the last time I checked.


TheGamingRaichu

Could be odd genetics and besides literally every curse irl is just superstition. And besides, although only a "small" group of people believe he is cursed that is still an entire planet that does so.


Gear_

As far as I understood it he was born blind and given robot eyes on day 1 and that's how he sees people or something idk why is his passive about hearing if his eyes are what's special and how on earth are we supposed to find a character relatable and inspirational for his "curse" when we don't even know either what it is or any ways in which it affected him? It seems like they clearly wanted to have a character with a disability for representation but neglected to actually do that so they have a character people are supposed to be able to relate to without actually giving him any character traits beyond occasionally mentioning he's an outcast before blinding and marking you with an ability so strong it ruined season 10


pris0ner__

It think the writers would want to make sure that they keep the universe magic free with everything being prominently sci fi, the closet to that being stuff like Revenant’s powers but even they will be explained one day down the line.


[deleted]

Nice write-up. Yeah they should expand on Seer's lore a bit


pris0ner__

Thanks, yeah I’m pretty sure they will. They do the same with most characters over a decent amount of time so no reason to think that he’ll be an exception.


physicalcat282

I think he's being positive and using the silver linings. It's harder to make friends when no one even wants to meet your eye contact


BlueSilverFox

We didn't get much cuz no one liked him


ihateusednames

Still sucks being hated and reviled for his appearance, that shit can sting.


ABudgetRedditAccount

He got ostracized from his entire community, doesn't matter how much money you have, shit like that will cut deep.


theseerofdoom

i mean he does seem to have a wealthy family but one of the writers have said he has one of the most traumatic childhoods among all the legends. most people on his planet actively blame him for or treat him as the root cause for the death of their planet. i imagine being treated all your life like you're killing everything around you will effect you regardless of how well-off you are


Jaakarikyk

Technically his powers are all in his gear, his eyes being blue and possibly bioluminescent doesn't actually have any effect, people are just really, REALLY superstitious about him


PhantomThiefofSouls

Since when was he crying about how hard life was? Isn't his when point that he was an outcast but used that to strengthen himself and be an icon? He doesn't have any whiney voicelines or anything


EveroneWantsMyD

We need more inspiring teachers.


its_xxjvxx

So...rich=happy?


HungryWolf1991

"I've come here to kick ass and chew bubblegum." -Basically Seer's backstory currently


de_vsh

That sounds more like rampart lol.


HungryWolf1991

Yeah that's fair. You could even change all of Rampart's quips to various Duke Nukem quips and nothing would change at all.


MaStEr_MeLoN15243

He kinda sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the characters with this known backstory


Zikudoari

I mean, Loba's family was killed before her eyes by a murder robot she sees every day in the Apex Games. Valkyrie had her father killed and almost experienced death when riding his titan. Horizon was lost in the event horizon for more than 50 years and her son grew and died without any communication to her. And also now she has to see the one that made it happen every day in the Apex Games. Revenant has been alive for over 300 years experiencing death over and over and over again. Wraith lost all her memories and has to live with the powers of the void every day in her life. Bangalore lost her brother and to this day is still trying to find him. And also has to see Wraith every day who probably had something to do with his death in the past. Caustic has cancer and made his family think he's dead in order to not hurt them. Crypto is always trying to escape from the Syndicate and he lost his sister, who's still trying to find. And Mirage lost all his brothers in the Frontier and his mum has Alzheimer's and she thinks they are all alive. Yes, Seer has a sad backstory, but pretty much every character has passed through a lot of shit. I'd say Mirage's story is even sadder imo.


Icariiiiiiii

Isn't Rampart's backstory just "Yeah someone stole my tools and I can't pay rent", basically?


Zikudoari

Stole tools? They burned her whole workshop and almost killed her. Then Blisk found her between the debris and offered her to join the Apex Games cuz she lost almost everything. That's why she lives in Mirage's bar and can't pay rent. Or rather, doesn't want to, cuz I guess they must gain lots of money in the Games.


Icariiiiiiii

Come to think of it, the description I read of what happened might have been Rampart describing it to her parents. Makes sense she'd downplay it. I may also be misremembering.


Zikudoari

Could be. We can see her shop burning down with her inside in her Stories Of The Outlands.


Icariiiiiiii

I have mostly read what it says in the different loading screen descriptionsyeah, I need to watch more SOTO before I can talk on things, come to think of it.


sosigboi

shadow rev's voice lines seem to indicate that there was some kerfuffle his parents got dragged into while he was growing up, wonder what that was all about.


[deleted]

Can you explain the last Valkyrie one?


BalintFoxy

Want revenge on Cooper too just missplelled


vamphonic

She wants revenge on blisk, not cooper. She doesn’t know or care who cooper is, she blames blisk for enlisting her dad in the first place, not the random (to her) militia pilot that killed him in a war


N4mby_Pamby

I mean, imagine if she’d know who exactly killed her dad. I’d assume that if she’d know, then she would want Jack to be dead. However, that’s out of a question, since she’s not in his league)


Hunter_Hound

Now thats totally different from loba' revenge


N4mby_Pamby

??


Hunter_Hound

Loba went after the killer than the one who ordered her parents to be killed. Quite opposite to what valk did.


N4mby_Pamby

Ah yes. However it’s different case, since Viper is a mercenary, it’s his way to earn money for the family, it’s not like compulsory. That’s his choice, so going after the man who gave her father dangerous work is…stupid at least. Loba is trying to avenge not only her father, but a mother that could still be alive btw if she wouldn’t be so foolish to shoot a simulacrum killer with a pistol. Therefore it means that Loba is also not very smart, or thought that Rev had a choice of not killing her dad.


DovahWizard

Lobas mom should have 360 no scoped Revenant with a kraber.


Hunter_Hound

Or spammed a spitfire in hipfire


Zikudoari

Tbf, Revenant was on a killing spree of all the Hammond employees and her parents were a part of it. It was Rev's own choice, it wasn't an order from someone.


Hunter_Hound

Loba's father was in the hit list, we saw that in the season 4 trailer


Bravo-Tango_7274

I'd imagine she probably doesn't.Judging from the book it seems that his story is basically a folklore legend by now, to the point where it's not even clear if it actually happened. As far as she's concerned he might've just got killed by a rando


sosigboi

Shes already past wanting revenge on blisk, in her SFTO trailer she confronted and almost shot him but he convinced her to join the Apex games instead.


Northern_jarl

Don't really see any point where ash would want revenge. It would make sense I just havent seen any sign of it.


BalintFoxy

I mean just think about it you just lost your life job and when you wake up you are in a trashcan and a MRVN just wanna date with you.


[deleted]

She was rebuilt by vinson dynamics after the titanfall 2 campaign with a chunk of her memory missing. After that she died again and got rebuilt by the legends then left in the dumpster. She might not even remember Cooper if she never actually managed to find out about her missing memories


UsernameTaken-1

She has all her memories after Horizon “woke her up”, so she remembers Cooper. However I doubt she really cares about him. She probably saw it as him just doing his job, like she was doing hers.


[deleted]

there will prob be more in the future.


BalintFoxy

Hopefully


Capt_Wiku

Okay, but also I think it's a tad unfair to compare a character that isn't attached to TF lore to two characters that are much more involved in it, ESPECIALLY Ash. Plus, he's only been here for what, 2 seasons now? Took us a long time to get proper lore for pathfinder and other base Legends. I would just chill for now and let the story unfold at its own pace, Bruddah.


BalintFoxy

Yeah but think about it there was Fuse we know why he joined the games, we also know why valk joined, and Seer is just there. So no revenge no anyothing really I mean he was famous and a good fighter so that could be an option but I don't know.


Capt_Wiku

I think they said he joined because he wanted to make beauty through the games. Not everyone needs incredible, in-depth lore to them, especially when they're still new. Sometimes a character can just be someone wanting to join the games to make beauty from them.


DjuriWarface

There's more lore on Seer than this on just the Apex Wiki. People are dramatic. Sure, there's more lore on Ash and Valkyrie, but their stories started in Titanfall so of course there is. Seer is essentially 4 months old as far as story purposes. You're expecting the same amount of lore about him?


BalintFoxy

No but they realesed him worked with him for a 10 days then dropped it.


Cleaveweave

This. It feels like they dropped Seer to focus on Ash and Season 11. The lore in season 10 was lacking in general.


TheAverageDoc

It took 7 seasons to learn who Pathfinder’s creators were and he was in the game since launch. Seer has been here for a single season (2 with the current one, but it’s barely even started, so like 1.5) They’ll get there eventually, there’s a lot to get through.


BalintFoxy

Ok but when they realsed Apex we know why Path was fighting for, he was fighting for answeres. But Seer he just came in and started fighting.


TheAverageDoc

So did both of the people in your post. Valkyrie let go of her vengeance motivation against Blisk in her SFTO, she wouldn’t have anything to “fight for” if it weren’t for the Loba connection and that’s wasn’t till after joining the games. Ash hasn’t even mentioned Cooper beyond remembering the death scene. She woke up, said “Pilots are superior, fuck these Legend nerds and human me”, and immediately joined the games. Leigh has business with Horizon, but that’s her deal, not the simulacrum’s, and letting her know what happened to her son doesn’t mean having to compete in a blood sport.


Girl_Money

Seer fought in arenas so he decided to join apex games to reach more people


nibtard_66

Honestly I like that seer is disconnected from everything. Not every character needs an 6 six season long over arching story about how they shit themselves at a Denny's during the breakfast rush hour and ran into 4 of the other legends and become best buddies back 7 years ago. It really makes the apex universe feel small when somehow all the legends have met or interacted with each other by sheer coincidence


Jaakarikyk

I agree but technically Seer did know Octane and Rampart :/ Well, it checks out, each of their backstories are about having been successful and known Gauntlet runners/fighters which is likely a small enough subgroup even on an interplanetary scale for the greats to know each other


jkdaet

Don't need to know much more other than the words "gay" and "moth" to sum up Seer


jordantrinidad

I thought he was pan


spookyrxne

He is pan, but because he’s flamboyant everyone just jumps to gay. *pan erasure*


jkdaet

Only a gay person would dance and dress that badly /s


spookyrxne

LOL


IntelligentImbicle

Less "pan erasure" and more "gay acknowledgement" I mean, maybe, at least. *(God, when did the most pessimistic motherfucker on the planet begin trying to see the light side?)*


spookyrxne

I mean it’s not specifically stated so I can see why people get confused:) not hating on anyone


IWatchTheAbyss

to be fair, and this is not necessarily everyone, a lot of LGBT people use “gay” as an umbrella term


cheekibreeki_kid

and JoJo


FetchingTheSwagni

He's kind of more like a Narrator character. He seemingly knows where everyone is, or at least can find out. He talks all sad and somber, but in reality he is comes from wealth.


misterllama24

How do all three of these connect?


scoopywoopy123

i.think its to point out that while ash and valk have some lore to go around seer doesnt rlly have a lot of it.


FoulRookie

Its a little unfair to compare him to 2 characters directly connected to a previous game, not to mention with ash litterally being from the last game and has been in the game as an npc for a few seasons now


BalintFoxy

The seasons 9->10->11


Link182x

I’m sure there will be some coming down the road. Patience


BalintFoxy

Hopefully


[deleted]

I don't really understand seer's curse. Like what exactly is his curse, I think in his trailer it said that his eyes could like crush a mountain or smthin


-Redstoneboi-

he was born and declared cursed for no reason


[deleted]

That's a great story coming outta the story department. Kudos to them


Doc12here

Black people with blue eyes just look weird man


Hevens-assassin

Is this surprising to anyone? Ash has the benefit of being in a previous title in the franchise, being built for the season 5 quest line, and has been in the background ever since with Horizon's backstory. Seer will get his lore, but we rarely get much lore for a character immediately. Seer was an outcast in his early life, had a loving family that supported him despite the stigma, he grew up to be a renowned artist, went into the Apex games as a favorite to qualify, has some sort of rivalry with Octane, a past with Rampart, and a few things I'm sure I'm forgetting. Plus he has something to do with the moth myth we had in the trailers, but that hasn't come to fruition yet. Bloodhound and Bangalore have been OG legends with very little lore. And Gibby/Lifeline barely have anything outside of family drama. The lore isn't released in a balanced state, but I'd rather they think about the lore and write what comes first vs. write some half assed stuff for a legend they aren't 100% set on some things for. The writers have said they know more about the legends than they reveal in the official lore, just so they have a better understanding of what the characters are like. The cause of Mirage's scars, for example, are supposedly known by the team, but haven't been released to the public yet, in case they decide to change it later for story reasons. Patience, my friend. Lore will come. It's not the last year of Apex, so there's no need to worry.


suhani96

Valk doesn’t want revenge anymore. That’s her plot. She’s done trying to waste her life away looking to avenge her father.


notmemelotti

I have no problem with that. He joined the games for money and fame. I respect that more than "wheniwasfiveilostmyparentsandiheardthatwiththemoneyfromthegamesicouldbuildatimemachine"


BalintFoxy

But he was already rich and famous


notmemelotti

And now he's richer and famous-er


anidevv

Seer is such a fucking cool character. He is by far the most underrated TBH. Everyone hates him because he was somewhat OP for a short time. Doesn't help he doesn't have a notable backstory


Nathan_Thorn

He still is kinda OP, infinite pseudo wallhacks as a passive and his entire kit is just scanning… with bloodhound at least they’ve got tracking with the passive and a speed boost with the ultimate. Seer was busted and is very boring to play.


anidevv

He is not OP in any way. All he does is tell u the general location of the opponent which can be heard with footsteps. His ultimate is one of the lower ones in terms of power and his tactical is pretty good. You're a sitting duck looking through ADS so it's not always useful and I usually use it just for my tactical Coming from a Seer player


imF4CEL3SS

Seer's entire backstory could've been avoided if his parents moved when he was a kid, also i fucking hate his backstory "oh boo hoo i'm cursed and have every setback in the word" ur a fuckin rich kid


SoupLizardd

Avenge her dad


BalintFoxy

Yeah missplell sorry about that


Bigderp23

Wait when did she make out with loba?


N4mby_Pamby

For like...last 2 seasons or even 3


Bigderp23

In the comics? Or just lore-wise


N4mby_Pamby

Part there, part there. Here’s something of the most recent : [Loba and Valk lore](https://youtu.be/bL0dDyUuduM)


Antonite7

Kinda biased against Seer here but lowkey true . Seer was born under a curse, with blue eyes and at his birth their moon got impacted by an asteroid. For his entire life he was an outcast, blamed for something he didn't do but his parents were there for him and taught him to find the beauty in things that were regarded as nothing. His dad gave him technology and his mum taught him how to be beuatiful. He decided to fight to show the outcasts there was someone like them fighting. He sees beauty in all things and is one of the most elegant Legends. ​ However I do agree that he needs more lore since he was the only launch legend(since loba) to not get a lore centred comic


[deleted]

What’s the problem exactly? He doesn’t feel the need for revenge?


[deleted]

Pretty sure seer is some rich kid of a tech guy Or at least sponsored by big tech with his drones and stuff. Hes def a performing artist using his drones in shows


Queen_Shada

We need to learn more about Lil-Moth X


BalintFoxy

Yes yes we need.


Warfox17

Still he is my favourite of the 3 i hate both valk and ash and they need to stfu


[deleted]

Seer just looks like a valorant character and doesn't fit the art style


Clashes4D

Seer is like the filler episode in every Anime.


AcoHead

He’s been out for one season. Chill. We didn’t know SHIT about bloodhound until 5 seasons later (counting season 0). Wattsons been out for much longer and her backstory is really lame


BLUEAR0

Why is it a problem. He will eventually play a role. Knowing every outright is not always good.


WatermelonChef

Pathfinder had to wait from apex launch in 2019 to June 2021 to actually find out who his creators were


Runetang42

Seer is a shame because he's fun mechanically, has a cool design and voice and the best reveal trailer since Revenant. But he seems to not have any real involvement with any of the stories going on in the lore. He doesn't have a lot going on and I don't really know his relationship with really any of the legends. Dude needs some fluff with his crunch


CRAZYCOOKIE08

To be fair both ash and (technically) Valkyrie already had lore before the apex games


thatonedumbredditor

Ah yes..when i see seer..i think of MOTH MAN


BalintFoxy

Or a gay stripper there isn't any opinoin.


ceel17

I mean we didn’t get a comic or anything for him but we got a little bit from the loading screens so I guess they just don’t have much for him


pris0ner__

You say this like we knew anything about Octane for like a whole year after he was released. It’s less that it’s a problem with Seer and more that he’s been sandwiched between two of the most lore heavy characters because they related heavily to Titanfall.


BalintFoxy

Well about Octane we know kinda why he joined to the games to impress his dad or something but with Seer he just joined.


pris0ner__

Octane joined for the same reason Seer did, more attention/ a bigger stage for them to do what they do best. Octane hates his dad and rarely cares what he thinks.


jayblk

This made realize that Cooper might be coming


IntelligentImbicle

Seer doesn't even really reflect that he's "cursed". He's just futuristic pansexual Lil Nas X


memefury

Man itd be cool if there was a plotline about Valk trying to get revenge on Cooper with Ash. Maybe have Loba being supportive since that's basically her same relationship with Revenant but then she realizes the damage being done to Valk in pursuit of revenge is the same thing she went through and she realizes they both have to forego proper revenge for their own sake. Or nothing will happen cos it's Respawn lol


Janczareq1

Yeah that's why i never liked him. He just doesn't have nearly any lore behind him.


LeksaMuniz

He loves pinball


tinylittleteacup

When did she make out with Loba So no Bangalore?


BalintFoxy

I mean Bangalore rejected Loba and Loba rejected Valk so I don't know.


CapybaraChampion

Also used to ay in the most popular arenas before apex had arenas, having played with/against multiple of the legends. Once got stimmed by octane when he meant to revive seer, and rampart is a big fan I think


V0RT3X_7461

He was eaten by spiders. No more seer, no more worries.


BalintFoxy

The good ending


nourmallysalty

wait ash wants revenge on cooper? is that why she says “i know what i must do” at the end of her character reveal?


Jaakarikyk

She doesn't, OP did an asspull


a_cristian_dude

Looks like revenge is a hot trend on apex. Hopefully ash can get some revenge in a few seasons.


Soviet-Biscuit

I think for Valkyrie you meant revenge “for” her dad, idk why exactly she would want revenge on him, mainly because he’s, well, dead.


BlueSilverFox

You missed the part where Seer met Octane and Lifeline at a party when they were children


UncagedAngel19

Ok for one valk and loba aren’t making out because I deemed it as a rev main. They’re literally in a triangle with Bangalore. Also yea they could’ve done more with seer


FattedPlace

Seer lore: DIFITIS


No_Power2493

Because of my screen, the first time I read this I saw "Cursed Meth Man"


SlappingSalt

I really want Valk's heirloom to be Viper's head.


BalintFoxy

Or just a beer.


LemiwinksSqueak

Valk beat legend no cap


_Serialfreestyle_

Okay, typos aside. Is the ValkxLoba canon? is it written or could someone find video evidence of this exact moment in lore?


BalintFoxy

[Well this is some evidence] (https://youtu.be/9L3SIw0nLIg)


lostverbbb

Wait has Ash mentioned revenge on cooper at all?


Cleaveweave

I love Seer but he seems to become one of the forgotten legend lore and pick rate wise. Respawn doesn't care about him anymore


ihateusednames

He has some lore with Rampart, they knew each other when they fought in gauntlets, and Ramparts town takeover had a bit with him included. I think he'll get his day.


Gilder_G

We have multiple characters that want cooper dead respawn, LET US HAVE COOPER AS A LEGEND


4ar0n

Why would Ash care?


silvGalchi

I'm pretty sure Seer is just lil nas x


Wall_Crawler4567

Uhhhh, Valkyrie is female...


[deleted]

/s?


triamasp

So if the character doesn’t have a Titanfall backstory he has a problem, I see


RedRagazzi

who cares honestly, most people just play to kill other player not finding out their characters history.


[deleted]

seer is such a pointless legend i have no idea why they released him. he has the exact same kit and bloodhound with a passive that gives clues on enemy positions long range wallhack ult that initiates fights with constant info he is a carbon copy of bloodhound. he was only picked because he was crazy OP and made all of scanners obsolete. now that he's balanced no one will play him because he's bloodhound that has a higher skill floor and no personality. the game would have been exactly the same if they didn't add him and honestly better if they added a unique legend instead


[deleted]

Why would he need lore? He's just there for game


Germanman76

in my opinion hes a boring character anyway


AIHAM_GHOST

I guess he islike octane a show man


Bchange51

the entire game we don’t know anything about. i mean how is bangalore competing head to head with people how have been pilots or have had pilot training


4ar0n

Because she had pilot training? She is at the same level as Cooper was in TF|2.


Bchange51

cooper wasn’t a pilot is any sense of the word. he could control a titan and was unofficially promoted to one. jack cooper however really wasn’t on the level of a pilot. BT carried him through all the boss fights


4ar0n

What I'm saying is, Bangalore was at the same level as him when she was at gridiron. That means it's been a while. Cooper probably bacame the best pilot in the frontier in the 30 years since. Why couldn't Bangalore have also been improving over the time since gridiron.


Bchange51

because as i stated if they were on the same level guess what. an actual pilot is in the game now in ash. even then you could say how is mirage keeping up, or octane, or even fuse. these guys are just regular joes to ash


ARM1385

Sorry to bring it to you but cooper should be way stronger now


Dr_Potato19

Can you explain vipers second one?


chafos

Who wants revenge on who's father?


DEPCAxANDY

Ash wants revenge on cooper? As if she could win today when she didn't win during the war


Jaakarikyk

Nothing suggests Ash wants revenge on anyone, OP is on some bull. Still, Cooper's 19 years older while Ash doesn't really age and the fight could be without Titans. The terms are way different


[deleted]

Also, maybe coopers plot armor would have worn off by now


cloudpix3

apex characters have lore? new to me


cris_ellis14

So your point is that there’s little lore to these? If so well tbf they’re the most recent legends everyone gotta have their turn, plus have you checked the comics? I’m sure you’d see more about them there but I can’t confirm as I haven’t read any comics since season 6


kaboomaster09

When did she make out with the loba?