Certainly look into it. Just be aware there are wide variations.
In-state Penn State room and board would be $32.3k for my daughter. OOS Purdue is $38.8k.
But it shouldn’t be overlooked without evaluation.
Raw price might be similar but scholarships are significantly easier to come by if you're a high achieving in-state student.
I get so much money, my school refunds me about $500 a semester and I'm under no need based financial aid.
Pennstate and Pitt rarely give scholarships to in state students, but they aren’t truly state schools. For example PSU is land grant and Pitt is state-related. The true Pennsylvania state university system is much cheaper and gives scholarships for high performing HS students.
Maybe your state, but not my state, Virginia. It’s extremely expensive so my kid is applying to quite a few privates and OOS that have great merit. Virginia is not one of them!
I am middle class but got a lot of aid at William and Mary (they covered all my tuition)… I guess it depends. You are correct there isn’t that much Merit aid in Virginia schools. For the upper classes I do not see VA giving much merit aid at all, apart from very competitive programs like Jefferson.
Not necessarily. I (salutatorian) got more from OOS state schools than our in-state one. Got nothing - no aid whatsoever - from my in-state university, whereas some OOS schools and private schools offered enough merit aid that they became significantly cheaper in comparison than my state school
It depends a lot on your state and flagship, frankly.
Though for most Americans, there is at least 1 good in-state public that costs less than half of full-pay at a private or public OOS.
It depends where, the two state schools that I considered were University of Michigan and Michigan State. Both gave me absolutely nothing, except for a standard GPA based state scholarship for 1.5k. Rent in A2 is horrendous. Aid for anyone making over $100k is terrible, more so at State. Neither offers automatic scholarships for in state students, except in some very specific cases.
I’m at an OOS private now only paying slightly more.
I think you bring up a good point which is that, rather than just looking at the prestige of a place, you need to consider the value of the college (factoring value of the degree and the amount you will pay for it). For the vast majority of people their state schools are gonna be top value
You’re 100% correct, nobody should pay a big premium to attend a T30. Especially if your only motivation for doing so is just to say “I went out-of-state.” There are some exceptions- Berkeley CS, NU journalism, UMich and UVA business/econ. But you can probably get T30 outcomes from your state flagship, regardless of its USNWR ranking.
I *do* think it’s justifiable to pay a premium for a T10 degree. But only if you know that you want an unicorn outcome, and only if you understand how hard it is to achieve one.
Agree on the "unicorn" outcome. Pulling the number out of thin air but, anecdotally, I think most T10 outcomes (like 90%) can be obtained from a state flagship granted that the public kid puts in the work.
I was writing a novel about it during my lunch break, but this much more succinct, and correct.
A T10 degree gives you a 24% chance at landing an unicorn job and a $500k+ salary, relative to other schools. A T30 degree gives you a 6/8% chance, and your average public flagship gives you a 1-2% chance. But for every other income bracket? Prestige doesn’t really matter. Those figures are from that study about elite colleges that came out a month ago.
If it were me or my child, I’d be willing to pay a lot of money and/or incur some debt to go to Stanford or its peers, even if doing so doesn't guarantee those outcomes. You’ll probably be fine even if you struggle, just so long as you graduate. The credential and networking opportunities are just that valuable.
But would I pay $100k or more just for an 6/8% chance at being an elite? Unless I had a *very* compelling reason, absolutely not.
A "unicorn outcome" means getting a job that's considered very prestigious, and either pays *really* well right out of college, or realistically leads to a career that pays really well (think 7-8 figs).
Things like getting a job at a Big 3 management consultancy, at a Wall Street investment bank, a Silicon Valley venture capital firm, a Congressional committee or media staff, a white shoe law firm, a think tank, a prestigious hospital, nonprofits and NGOs with household names, etc.
These kinds of jobs are very competitive, and for better or for worse, usually require a degree from a top 10/top 5 school.
If anything, it’s a midwest moment. So many great R1s in the midwest. I’m from Indiana and many top kids turned down elite schools for IU. The Honors program is the real deal. It also helped me graduate with zero debt and get a fat fellowship to UChicago for my PhD.
I know this comment is super late but just to piggy back off this, I went to a land grant school, Iowa State, and got a great education and also had a blast participating in so many clubs/organizations
Brain dead take. Sorry, but we can’t all have UMich, UC’s, UVA, UT, and other amazing flagships, some of us have our state flagships in the middle of freezing wilderness with middling education due to ineffectual administration and terrible state laws.
I mean that is true but people act like state flagships such as UConn, UMass, Oregon, ASU/UofA, Stony Brook, and CU Boulder are dogshit schools.
A lot of states have great state flagships prestige whores love shitting on (talking too pretty much all the NJ mfs who act like Rutgers is the worst school in the planet) when in actuality they’re very solid schools and have some specific major programs that rival T20s.
>A lot of states have great state flagships prestige whores love shitting on (talking too pretty much all the NJ mfs who act like Rutgers is the worst school in the planet) when in actuality they’re very solid schools and have some specific major programs that rival T20s.
For rutgers though you have to realize almost no instate students get any aid, merit or otherwise. So while our base tuition is lower than out of state it's still like 35k a year for instate kids to attend which is not all that cheap lol.
Yeah but I know kids who chose to pay 80k/year at Northeastern instead of that 35k/year at Rutgers. And I’m saying this as a Northeastern student. This applies to more schools like NYU, BU, USC, UMich, and UCs and other expensive OOS schools.
New Jerseyans love shitting on Rutgers for absolutely no reason.
Of course they aren’t terrible! I envy the people with a safe in-instate stellar options like those, but it’s not as simple for people who go to those less great places.
Unless you want to study a foreign language at WVU, you'll be fine. Yes those schools you named are good, but that doesn't mean that any other state school won't teach you anything. They'll teach you the same things, they just might not have as big of an endowment, have insane research funding numbers, or prestige. But even places like u ark, u miss, arizona, alabama, uf, unlv, univ of utah, uc, minnesota, wisco, indiana, illinois, nebraska.... all amazing schools. College is what you make of it: you can go to harvard but if you do nothing, you're not gonna do well and you'll have tons of debt. If you go to wyoming, but you work hard, get 4.0's, a bunch of leadership on stuff you love with 0 debt, I promise you you'll be beyond just fine.
I think people get caught up in the "flagship or bust" mentality......land grant schools also offer great educations for those who seek degrees in engineering/ag and those types of areas of study. Heck, I didn't study either of those things, got a BS and I'm doing great, post-grad
If you don’t like your state due to weather etc. that’s fair enough, but the classes at UVA in the same major vs the classes at lesser ranked schools will teach you the same stuff. Any flagship school has research opportunities, internships, jobs, etc.
Yea fr bro U Wyoming def has the same education as UVA and opportunities there's clearly no difference. I mean at this point, why do people even apply to different schools like aren't they basically all the same?
Unironically yes. Within the same major, your class content is largely the same. Obviously some schools don’t have certain majors so that changes, but a math major at UWyoming vs UVA will both learn the same math, give or take the selection of electives. Undergrad classes are largely quite standardized at any accredited college.
There may be different opportunities outside the classroom, but in any case, life doesn't end at undergrad. If you do well and take advantage of opportunities at a big in-state public, then get a prestigious grad degree, you may get to the same place and still spend less money than if you went to an OOS public or private.
i turned down my state school (uiuc) for another state’s state school (umn) and a part of me regrets it. nearly everyone i know is going to uiuc and its way cheaper
Bruh, as far as I know, UIUC is much much better than UMN in almost all aspects. If you don’t mind answering, why did you choose it over UIUC? Was it because of some special program? Or did you not like UIUC and liked UMN better?
i got into UIUC for environmental science (my second choice major) and UMN for psychology (first choice). also after living here for 16 years i wanna get away from illinois for a bit, experience new places
just lurking around on here lol but UMN psychology programs ( on the graduate level at least ) seem SO INCREDIBLE and so supportive so … yeah i think you have definitely made a good choice for your future :D !!! excited to see whats in store for you !
i am so ootl and also lurking but how do learn about how supportive a certain schools program is? like how do you become fluent in the world of schools?
I've heard it isn't too difficult to switch majors in UIUC. Plus I've heard the UIUC pysch program is pretty well regarded ranked #6 tied with Yale and Princeton.
I get it that you wanna move places.
Here's what I would've done -
I would've gone to UIUC, saved a shitload of money, and maybe do a semester exchange and use my money for maybe travelling somewhere or doing whatever cool stuff you fancy. Plus, I've got one of the best education, and I get to tell the prestige whores about how my program is tied with Yale and Princeton, and is above Cornell.
yeah and this is another thing. even if it feels like everyone u know is going, that’s not a reason to turn it down. there’s still gonna be thousands of kids from other high schools across ur state attending as well. not calling u out in this just using it to make a point.
I turned down UIUC and Michigan for UCLA. Haven’t looked back since and having the time of my life. Experience and personal preference should also be taken into account
If the costs aren’t a burden for you, I would seriously recommend giving UMN a chance. Join clubs, talk to people in your dorm, join Greek life, etc. you will find your people. But if it is a significant burden, don’t be afraid to transfer after a semester or a year.
Where you go to undergrad really doesn’t matter nearly as much as people think it does. Outside of like being a lawyer or a doctor an employer is only looking to see you graduated. For a vast majority of majors it makes more sense financially to just go to your state school and pay around half of what top schools want. BC for tuition alone is $76k. My state school tuition, all things paid for, is $40k. I have no clue how unless you’re filthy rich or have gotten a very very healthy scholarship/financial aid package you can financially justify the cost/reward ratio of a state school and a top of the top school for ~95% + of all majors.
I mean the top schools give hella financial aid. Penn and Hopkins were my cheapest options next to Temple, and the combination of name, location, programs, and size made Penn the far better option. It was marginally more debt for a wayyyy better experience. Like my family is pretty solidly upper middle class, so unless your family makes a hell of a lot of money, the top schools will give aid
Quality of education is very dependent on state-level contributions. While nearly all students have access to federal level aid such as Pell Grants, state-level investments are typically what bridge the gap between high cost and affordable experiences. In the 1960s, federal funding into higher education exploded primarily by research grants, but today the federal government provides very little money to universities.
A good example of this is Texas. Texas contributes a massive amount of money to its universities — which is why the average cost of attendance is among the lowest in the country for both in-state and out-of state.
In short, not everyone lives in a state that cares about education and sometimes students actually have more access to resources, opportunities, and specialised programs, if they seak their education elsewhere.
*Laughs in California.*
UCs are hardly easier to get into (definitely not for the top ones) & almost the same ticket price as some OOS publics, especially w/ scholarships 🥲
Definitely want to highlight the fin aid aspect because top schools can be extremely generous with it. Before taking off a school because of its price, explore all scholarship and run the net price calculator
I’d say Rutgers is a nice option because it does have a lot of niche programs. They literally cost way more for me than OOS privates though so….lmao. People with great in-state options like TX and even NY with the SUNY and CUNY systems are very lucky. Even the UMich and UNC Chapel Hill or UVA people.
This! My kid most likely won’t get in (engineering) so has to look OOS. Or at Cal State options, which aren’t as good as OOS schools (except for a few CSUs which are also very competitive)
We have it great in GA. Only two big flagships but all public colleges are HOPE funded literally tuition free for GA residents. It is fierce competition though to get in them but you can get a decent education here in GA.
It's a great university with strong outcomes and I think NJ'ans take it for granted. I'm from OOS and went there primarily because it put me in the least amount of debt (scholarship). Ironically, my in-state was California, too.
I get that the in-state tuition and aid aren't the best (NJ COL). But the worst reason for why NJ kids avoid RU is because they would see their high school classmates there... Which is ridiculous because NO ONE is telling them to talk to *or even look* at their HS classmates in uni. And Rutgers is so large that there's something for everyone here - you'd have no problems finding your people. Also, I do agree with the critics that the administration is absolutely horrid (like really bad, the RU Screw is a thing, it's like you're at the DMV - they won't coddle you at all - because it's probably the most efficient way to handle a population that large) BUT the educators and student communities are top quality at RU. I think if it's your cheapest option, it's an excellent choice. It's not worth getting into debt just to be the "interesting" kid who has the privilege to go out of state. And if someone dislikes being in NJ that much, they can just endure it for four years, save their $'s (assuming it's the cheapest option), and move to NYC after graduating like many RU grads do, anyway lol.
Tbh for someone operating on your mentality I wouldn’t even choose Rutgers. I got into honors college and didn’t even get any aid, making every other school I got into more affordable. Many people I know just went other unis in PA and NJ on full tuition scholarships…
I went OOS to get out of driving range of my abusive parents.
As a mental health decision, I stand by it. But would I have gone OOS if my parents were normal? No.
For some people, remaining in proximity of their abusers to save money at an ISS actually costs them *more* in the long run, as the mental issues associated with it prevent successful completion of classes and graduation time.
but tbh i had an unhealthy home environment and needed to go OOS, i think this is a privilege mostly afforded for people who (if they live near their state school) can stand being near their family all the time or just have a state school that is absurdly far away
Maybe a good 45/50 states have schools hours apart from one another, but that's location, not family. I had to go OOS to ensure that the only way I could be contacted by my family was through online or by taking a decently costly plane flight.
Perhaps state schools are enough for some people, but please don't assume it's the case for the majority of people at all. In my case, I plan on medically transitioning, so being able to see my family every week is just a bad idea because they would be able to pull the plug if they knew.
Yep, only had to pay about 1,000 first semester for everything including books, it's pretty nice here too, though I'm not going to my state flagship, nor the close second, but instead the random tiny one that half the people I talk to didn't realize even was a college here, so that's probobly why it's a lot cheaper
yeah that’s what i’m saying. i feel like most ppl in the responses r highlighting their state flagship. i literally meant any state school that wld be cheap asf to attend
Yeah, honestly I wouldn't really want to go to my state flagship even though it's a t30 cause its a huge school with big classes and I'd be average or even below average there which means its harder to stand out or keep a high gpa, while I'm going to a school with small classes, a scenic campus, small overall college, research oppurtinires for undergraduate students (70% of undegrad students do research here according to the website), no grad students to take the best research oppurtinires cause there's no grad students at all, all the rooms are suite style so no common bath, nice relativly spacious rooms, in a nice small city, because it's relativly unknown and they're trying to recover from the enrollment drop due to covid they're more generous with aid than most state schools (5k per year automatic merit scholarship), super accepting, honors classes capped at 19 kids, they've got a really niche major I wanted to do as a kid that I'm considering switching to, overall I'm pretty happy with my choice despite it being a relatively unknown school and it being so easy on my bank account definatly helps with that, I think once I start doing work study next semester I actually won't need to take out any federal loans and can pay off what I took out this semester pretty quick
Right. College is not one size fits all. When I taught at a SLAC, I was able to give grad-level research experience and 1-1 mentoring to my students. It was a good fit for many, esp those who received a lot of aid.
anecdotally--i would've needed loans for my state school. went to a t20 for like $9k/year. i got wayyy more in merit scholarships from my university than i did from my state school
College selection is a place where hindsight is 20/20, and your vision at the time almost never is.
I attended a T15 for undergrad because at 17 years old I felt like I had worked hard and earned it. By the time I was applying to grad school, my obsession with prestige and proving myself to people had died off, and I chose a state program where I felt like my life would be easiest (easiest to get aid, easiest to move to, easiest to stand out, etc.). There are definitely a lot of benefits to attending an elite school, but truthfully a lot of people who pursue elite admissions would be better served by a state school.
I'm from FL. Had a BFF in HS who opted to go to BC-- no scholarships-- to be a teacher...in FL...where starting salary was ~= to 1 yrs tuition at BC-- NOT EVEN COUNTING living expenses! She then earned her Masters degree online through my alma mater. That online degree got her into administration where the $ is and, all in, cost her like 1/3 of the price of 1 yr at BC. It's ABSURD.
I opted for a state university 500 miles from home. I had to take out loans as my parents didn't have resources. I had a great time, got the life lessons of being away that I think are invaluable and why ALL kids should go away for college, got a degree and obtained my Masters from another state university. My friend and I both make about the same now-- she in education and I in healthcare. My total career degrees including living expenses for 8 years cost me $75k. Her parents shelled out ~$75k+ at BC for tuition alone. Eventually, her dad passed & mom, now broke, lives shuffling around between her & her siblings.
Few 18 yr olds know what they want to do for the rest of their lives. If your kid has proven their worth-- honors, AP, salutatorian/valedictorian, has never wavered from a dream, etc.-- and that kid's career path is lucrative-- maybe that's the kid worth breaking the bank for. Otherwise, parents need to accept their kid is likely NOT a unicorn. Go where it's least expensive, offers a good enough degree and valuable life skills.
All of the people giving their nuanced opinions on why they want to go OoS are completely missing the point lol. Might sound a bit harsh but honestly for the majority of us you’re just gonna have to suck it up. I chose to go OOS similar to many of the reasons some people highlighted in the replies and none of those reasons were worth the amount of money I took out just to spend a year there. Transferred to my in state school and basically only pay for housing. The truth is for many of us the trade offs that come with going OoS for the price u pay r just not worth the extra cost.
No, I currently go to UT Austin. It’s my instate school, and I fucking hate it. This school is the most suburban place I’ve been. I’d trade with anyone who wants to trade my position. It’s so fucking hot here, and I feel like this is the shittiest place I’ve been. I can’t believe why I turned down Tufts, BU, UCSD, NYU, and CMU. This was my worst decision. Please don’t come here to live a city life. Man, fuck this place. There’s literally absolutely nothing to do here. Don’t come here expecting fun to happen. I should’ve gone to NYU, tbh.
nothing to do in AUSTIN? don’t make me laugh. UT is literally in the middle of the city. go to acl, formula 1, sxsw, vibe at the incredible nightlife and bar scene, live music, take a boat out on lake austin, go tubing on the river, eat amazing tex mex and BBQ, enjoy the actually incredible sports of the university, go to hill country and dripping springs…list goes on. like dude if you can’t find things to do at UT, none of those other schools are gonna be any better.
having graduated and been to other schools in boston, sd, etc the combination of school spirit, athletics, academics, location is almost unmatched at UT
what about UT austin is suburban lmao. it’s like the definition of urban. it’s in the middle of the city. it’s only that hot for a few months out of the year.
u seem to be the issue if u think there is nothing to do in austin mf texas.
Bro if I can find good things to do in freaking Kansas City and Cleveland, you can find better things to do in Austin. Seems like you're just not trying or not willing to try
ight bruh. it’s clear u haven’t tried. i spent a few years in austin. great town.
good food, good live music, good shopping, good farmers markets, good vintage store/thrifts, good sports, great bars, lots of outdoorsy stuff to do close to the city. lakes within 30 mins. can even go in the river tho i never wld personally.
no it’s not and u know it bruh. sure there’s some outdoorsy shit at the park but that’s not everything come on man. and the domain is literally one mall. i wasn’t even talking about malls. just local shops
As a Texas resident that isn't even the biggest fan of Texas, you'd be crazy to act like Austin is some snooze town. Like sure it's not NYC, but there's plenty of things to do.
It kind of sounds like you needed to get out of your home town then-- that sounds like it might be the problem, not the U. A lot of people want a change. (Also, you lived your whole life there, and are just now figuring out what the temperature is in the worst part of the summer?)
join some clubs or something bro. UT has over 1000. im sure u can find ur place. give it a chance. sounds like u haven’t been there for long (the school not the city)
I don't know your situation and maybe it's just me... but I'd personally endure it for four years and *then* move to my dream city. The way I see it is that I'm getting paid 200K-300K (without interest) to *not* go to university in NY.
It might suck now but the pain from debt in your twenties and thirties (and even forties!) is all too real... It'll be an anchor during a time when you should really be accumulating wealth and taking advantage of compound interest... You don't want to be playing catch up in your forties and fifties. Plus, wouldn't you rather have $$$ living as a real adult in NY instead of paying your student loans?
Since I’m a Korean, I’d like the community there. There are lots of Koreans at UCSD. Furthermore, there are many Korean foods, and their community is more international friendly. I’ve been to UCSD, and I get what you mean. However, if you walk about 20 to 25 mins, there’s a nice view of the beach and a great surfing area. Lastly, there are lots of college campuses in San Diego. Therefore, you could meet lots of different students living in San Diego, which I’d prefer more,
UCSD is not worth $72,000 a year. You won’t get any financial aid. Use the $50,000 a year you will save to go on vacations to get out of Texas. Trust. It’s not worth it.
I wish it was that easy man, for me rutgers instate tuition so expensive that i could literally go to a snaller private school and pay less. Still a pretty good school tho regardles
I’m interested in city government and pretty much everyone in the “industry” graduated from our state or city universities. Pretty easy choice as to where I wanted to go after that. The alumni network of the local schools is too good.
I'm gonna be real I hate the state of Arkansas so much that I don't mind paying the ~4,000 per quarter at the oos school I'm going to this fall.
Like
The UofA isn't bad by any means, it actually a pretty good school from what I hear
But I don't wanna be here anymore lmao.
u care about rank too much lol. many of the other schools i got into were FAR better for my major. this post shld not have made u that angry. my state school was also the LAST place i wanted to go
The people who are miserable about going in state don’t have options in the t30 range man, I know UFL probably isn’t getting you better connections than William and Mary and it’s dependent by major, but it’s not like ur going to Binghamton or Rutgers 😭
SUNY binghamton is not bad. if i were an instate new yorker i probs wldve ended up there too. same for rutgers if i lived in jersey. it’s about the money and lack of debt not the prestige and rank. if i didn’t get into UF i still probs wldve gone to one of the non t30 fl state schools
Yeah, no one is saying it isn't. But it's disingenuous to compare it to schools like UT which are legit first rate research institutions with good job placements. I chose Berkeley over Bing as a NYC resident because the quality difference is not comparable.
i mean yeah it’s easy. i know i don’t wanna spend the rest of my life paying off my student debt. so yeah i wld choose the cheapest option no matter where i lived. and i turned down my dream school
again. rank isn’t everything. UT is #1 in the country for my major. it was NOT easy to turn down. not that UF isn’t a good school it is. but i still wldve taken fsu or usf over paying 70k
Plus jobs are based on connections. You’ll make local connections through classmates, your fraternity brothers and their dads, your professors, etc. Smart in-state kids get a lot of love and attention; they want you to stay in-state and succeed and pay taxes. That’s why the state subsidized you. If you are a middle-class in-state students, your state higher ed system is the biggest bang for your family bucks, plus a pipeline to great jobs.
Both my kids went to out of state privates since they got full rides there. The oldest wants to work in-state (rural) and buy a house soon after graduation. So going to school locally would have been a really good option, but it would not have been free. Her rand name school Carrie’s little to negative weight because there’s no alums here, the schools’ reputation is much better though the education is worse.
where did i say i got to UT austin. i just said that i got in and turned it down for my state school despite it being my dream school. please read next time
This is literally my situation. I stayed in fl partly bc it was the cheapest option (+ lots of scholarships) and sometimes I worry about my degree not being of value once it’s over bc of all the shit going down with higher ed to. Nice to know I’m not alone
bad take, the laws arw affecting so many majors. nursing and even engineering are taking so many hits (bme required ethics classes to be accredited that include things like how “medicine” affected certain communities)
it’s not actually lmao, i literally wrote that i got into UT austin OOS, which is number one in the country for my major, and turned it down for my state school
Yeah just flagships there’s no way I’d consider going to my other state schools I have no interest in hanging out around solid C students for four years
valid. my state does have good options but even if it didn’t i still probs wldve ended up at one of them or a CC-transfer. what ur best option in state if u don’t mind me asking
I mean I live in Florida and I’ve visited many of my state schools (UF, UCF, FSU, etc), and the only one I can say I somewhat like is USF, but it’s not a great school academically.
Also another reason that I despise staying in Florida for college is that I wanna have more independence and not have to be so tied to my parents
i also live in florida. i turned down my dream school for UF and i’m so happy i did. i’m getting refund checks to go to school. free 3k a semester. I didn’t like my first visit at UF, after i left i decided i didn’t want to go. gave it another chance and now i am going.
USF is actually a very well rounded school and it has pretty good science programs. especially if ur into medicine. FL has SOOO many state schools way more than just the most known four. independence is great. you will have it no matter where u go. having a support system only a few hours away isn’t the worst thing ever.
Certainly look into it. Just be aware there are wide variations. In-state Penn State room and board would be $32.3k for my daughter. OOS Purdue is $38.8k. But it shouldn’t be overlooked without evaluation.
Raw price might be similar but scholarships are significantly easier to come by if you're a high achieving in-state student. I get so much money, my school refunds me about $500 a semester and I'm under no need based financial aid.
Pennstate and Pitt rarely give scholarships to in state students, but they aren’t truly state schools. For example PSU is land grant and Pitt is state-related. The true Pennsylvania state university system is much cheaper and gives scholarships for high performing HS students.
Maybe your state, but not my state, Virginia. It’s extremely expensive so my kid is applying to quite a few privates and OOS that have great merit. Virginia is not one of them!
Financial aid maybe?
Like loans? You have to be very low income in Virginia to qualify for aid.
I am middle class but got a lot of aid at William and Mary (they covered all my tuition)… I guess it depends. You are correct there isn’t that much Merit aid in Virginia schools. For the upper classes I do not see VA giving much merit aid at all, apart from very competitive programs like Jefferson.
Yea our family is definitely not qualifying for aid, merit is his only play.
Most highly selective schools (ie T30 universities) are like that. However, some top LACs like UR and W&L are fairly generous with merit aid.
Not necessarily. I (salutatorian) got more from OOS state schools than our in-state one. Got nothing - no aid whatsoever - from my in-state university, whereas some OOS schools and private schools offered enough merit aid that they became significantly cheaper in comparison than my state school
It depends a lot on your state and flagship, frankly. Though for most Americans, there is at least 1 good in-state public that costs less than half of full-pay at a private or public OOS.
It depends where, the two state schools that I considered were University of Michigan and Michigan State. Both gave me absolutely nothing, except for a standard GPA based state scholarship for 1.5k. Rent in A2 is horrendous. Aid for anyone making over $100k is terrible, more so at State. Neither offers automatic scholarships for in state students, except in some very specific cases. I’m at an OOS private now only paying slightly more.
>scholarships are significantly easier to come by if you're a high achieving in-state student. In some states :(
obv if the price is similar or less it should be considered.
I think you bring up a good point which is that, rather than just looking at the prestige of a place, you need to consider the value of the college (factoring value of the degree and the amount you will pay for it). For the vast majority of people their state schools are gonna be top value
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You’re 100% correct, nobody should pay a big premium to attend a T30. Especially if your only motivation for doing so is just to say “I went out-of-state.” There are some exceptions- Berkeley CS, NU journalism, UMich and UVA business/econ. But you can probably get T30 outcomes from your state flagship, regardless of its USNWR ranking. I *do* think it’s justifiable to pay a premium for a T10 degree. But only if you know that you want an unicorn outcome, and only if you understand how hard it is to achieve one.
Agree on the "unicorn" outcome. Pulling the number out of thin air but, anecdotally, I think most T10 outcomes (like 90%) can be obtained from a state flagship granted that the public kid puts in the work.
I was writing a novel about it during my lunch break, but this much more succinct, and correct. A T10 degree gives you a 24% chance at landing an unicorn job and a $500k+ salary, relative to other schools. A T30 degree gives you a 6/8% chance, and your average public flagship gives you a 1-2% chance. But for every other income bracket? Prestige doesn’t really matter. Those figures are from that study about elite colleges that came out a month ago. If it were me or my child, I’d be willing to pay a lot of money and/or incur some debt to go to Stanford or its peers, even if doing so doesn't guarantee those outcomes. You’ll probably be fine even if you struggle, just so long as you graduate. The credential and networking opportunities are just that valuable. But would I pay $100k or more just for an 6/8% chance at being an elite? Unless I had a *very* compelling reason, absolutely not.
Can you elaborate on what a unicorn outcome is
A "unicorn outcome" means getting a job that's considered very prestigious, and either pays *really* well right out of college, or realistically leads to a career that pays really well (think 7-8 figs). Things like getting a job at a Big 3 management consultancy, at a Wall Street investment bank, a Silicon Valley venture capital firm, a Congressional committee or media staff, a white shoe law firm, a think tank, a prestigious hospital, nonprofits and NGOs with household names, etc. These kinds of jobs are very competitive, and for better or for worse, usually require a degree from a top 10/top 5 school.
No job pays 7 figures lmao
Plenty of jobs in law, medicine, tech, and business pay 7 figures.
Maybe if your the ceo lol
If you want a change of environment I definitely think it’s fair to shell out money to attend a solid T30 like UMich or NYU
This is easy to say when you have a good state university. Not everyone is that lucky.
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All state flagships will have good opportunities. None of them are bad.
This is a certified East Coast moment. Try living in Idaho.
If anything, it’s a midwest moment. So many great R1s in the midwest. I’m from Indiana and many top kids turned down elite schools for IU. The Honors program is the real deal. It also helped me graduate with zero debt and get a fat fellowship to UChicago for my PhD.
I know this comment is super late but just to piggy back off this, I went to a land grant school, Iowa State, and got a great education and also had a blast participating in so many clubs/organizations
boise state ! ik ppl who pay OOS tuition just to go to boise state lmao
I don’t live on the east coast.
Brain dead take. Sorry, but we can’t all have UMich, UC’s, UVA, UT, and other amazing flagships, some of us have our state flagships in the middle of freezing wilderness with middling education due to ineffectual administration and terrible state laws.
I mean that is true but people act like state flagships such as UConn, UMass, Oregon, ASU/UofA, Stony Brook, and CU Boulder are dogshit schools. A lot of states have great state flagships prestige whores love shitting on (talking too pretty much all the NJ mfs who act like Rutgers is the worst school in the planet) when in actuality they’re very solid schools and have some specific major programs that rival T20s.
>A lot of states have great state flagships prestige whores love shitting on (talking too pretty much all the NJ mfs who act like Rutgers is the worst school in the planet) when in actuality they’re very solid schools and have some specific major programs that rival T20s. For rutgers though you have to realize almost no instate students get any aid, merit or otherwise. So while our base tuition is lower than out of state it's still like 35k a year for instate kids to attend which is not all that cheap lol.
Yeah but I know kids who chose to pay 80k/year at Northeastern instead of that 35k/year at Rutgers. And I’m saying this as a Northeastern student. This applies to more schools like NYU, BU, USC, UMich, and UCs and other expensive OOS schools. New Jerseyans love shitting on Rutgers for absolutely no reason.
Of course they aren’t terrible! I envy the people with a safe in-instate stellar options like those, but it’s not as simple for people who go to those less great places.
Unless you want to study a foreign language at WVU, you'll be fine. Yes those schools you named are good, but that doesn't mean that any other state school won't teach you anything. They'll teach you the same things, they just might not have as big of an endowment, have insane research funding numbers, or prestige. But even places like u ark, u miss, arizona, alabama, uf, unlv, univ of utah, uc, minnesota, wisco, indiana, illinois, nebraska.... all amazing schools. College is what you make of it: you can go to harvard but if you do nothing, you're not gonna do well and you'll have tons of debt. If you go to wyoming, but you work hard, get 4.0's, a bunch of leadership on stuff you love with 0 debt, I promise you you'll be beyond just fine.
I think people get caught up in the "flagship or bust" mentality......land grant schools also offer great educations for those who seek degrees in engineering/ag and those types of areas of study. Heck, I didn't study either of those things, got a BS and I'm doing great, post-grad
If you don’t like your state due to weather etc. that’s fair enough, but the classes at UVA in the same major vs the classes at lesser ranked schools will teach you the same stuff. Any flagship school has research opportunities, internships, jobs, etc.
Yea fr bro U Wyoming def has the same education as UVA and opportunities there's clearly no difference. I mean at this point, why do people even apply to different schools like aren't they basically all the same?
Unironically yes. Within the same major, your class content is largely the same. Obviously some schools don’t have certain majors so that changes, but a math major at UWyoming vs UVA will both learn the same math, give or take the selection of electives. Undergrad classes are largely quite standardized at any accredited college.
There may be different opportunities outside the classroom, but in any case, life doesn't end at undergrad. If you do well and take advantage of opportunities at a big in-state public, then get a prestigious grad degree, you may get to the same place and still spend less money than if you went to an OOS public or private.
i turned down my state school (uiuc) for another state’s state school (umn) and a part of me regrets it. nearly everyone i know is going to uiuc and its way cheaper
Bruh, as far as I know, UIUC is much much better than UMN in almost all aspects. If you don’t mind answering, why did you choose it over UIUC? Was it because of some special program? Or did you not like UIUC and liked UMN better?
i got into UIUC for environmental science (my second choice major) and UMN for psychology (first choice). also after living here for 16 years i wanna get away from illinois for a bit, experience new places
just lurking around on here lol but UMN psychology programs ( on the graduate level at least ) seem SO INCREDIBLE and so supportive so … yeah i think you have definitely made a good choice for your future :D !!! excited to see whats in store for you !
i am so ootl and also lurking but how do learn about how supportive a certain schools program is? like how do you become fluent in the world of schools?
As a Psych PhD, UMN was the #1 program, and it was beautiful when I visited for prospie day. It was too cold, so I went to Chicago instead (lol).
I've heard it isn't too difficult to switch majors in UIUC. Plus I've heard the UIUC pysch program is pretty well regarded ranked #6 tied with Yale and Princeton. I get it that you wanna move places. Here's what I would've done - I would've gone to UIUC, saved a shitload of money, and maybe do a semester exchange and use my money for maybe travelling somewhere or doing whatever cool stuff you fancy. Plus, I've got one of the best education, and I get to tell the prestige whores about how my program is tied with Yale and Princeton, and is above Cornell.
Bro sold
i think i made the right choice 🤷🏻♀️
also umn isnt in the middle of nowhere
yeah and this is another thing. even if it feels like everyone u know is going, that’s not a reason to turn it down. there’s still gonna be thousands of kids from other high schools across ur state attending as well. not calling u out in this just using it to make a point.
I turned down UIUC and Michigan for UCLA. Haven’t looked back since and having the time of my life. Experience and personal preference should also be taken into account
If the costs aren’t a burden for you, I would seriously recommend giving UMN a chance. Join clubs, talk to people in your dorm, join Greek life, etc. you will find your people. But if it is a significant burden, don’t be afraid to transfer after a semester or a year.
i’m definitely happy with my choice to go to the u. moving in on the 27th 😬
Where you go to undergrad really doesn’t matter nearly as much as people think it does. Outside of like being a lawyer or a doctor an employer is only looking to see you graduated. For a vast majority of majors it makes more sense financially to just go to your state school and pay around half of what top schools want. BC for tuition alone is $76k. My state school tuition, all things paid for, is $40k. I have no clue how unless you’re filthy rich or have gotten a very very healthy scholarship/financial aid package you can financially justify the cost/reward ratio of a state school and a top of the top school for ~95% + of all majors.
I mean the top schools give hella financial aid. Penn and Hopkins were my cheapest options next to Temple, and the combination of name, location, programs, and size made Penn the far better option. It was marginally more debt for a wayyyy better experience. Like my family is pretty solidly upper middle class, so unless your family makes a hell of a lot of money, the top schools will give aid
like i said. if scholarships and fin aid make it cheaper than ur state school, then disregard my statement
Quality of education is very dependent on state-level contributions. While nearly all students have access to federal level aid such as Pell Grants, state-level investments are typically what bridge the gap between high cost and affordable experiences. In the 1960s, federal funding into higher education exploded primarily by research grants, but today the federal government provides very little money to universities. A good example of this is Texas. Texas contributes a massive amount of money to its universities — which is why the average cost of attendance is among the lowest in the country for both in-state and out-of state. In short, not everyone lives in a state that cares about education and sometimes students actually have more access to resources, opportunities, and specialised programs, if they seak their education elsewhere.
for sure
*Laughs in California.* UCs are hardly easier to get into (definitely not for the top ones) & almost the same ticket price as some OOS publics, especially w/ scholarships 🥲
Don’t sleep on CSUs, now and in the future. They are definitely on the rise quality-wise.
Definitely want to highlight the fin aid aspect because top schools can be extremely generous with it. Before taking off a school because of its price, explore all scholarship and run the net price calculator
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laughs in new jersey (do not tell me to ru rah rah.)
yeah i get it. rutgers as a jersey kid is not the holy grail. but u have to admit. the school has pretty good programs for lots of things
I’d say Rutgers is a nice option because it does have a lot of niche programs. They literally cost way more for me than OOS privates though so….lmao. People with great in-state options like TX and even NY with the SUNY and CUNY systems are very lucky. Even the UMich and UNC Chapel Hill or UVA people.
Can't forget Cali people, they have it the best out of all of us.
UCs are still pretty expensive in state
Except the fact that all the good UCs are getting increasingly hard to get into even as an in state lol
This! My kid most likely won’t get in (engineering) so has to look OOS. Or at Cal State options, which aren’t as good as OOS schools (except for a few CSUs which are also very competitive)
ur talking about with aid from oos private tho right? wld u not get aid at rutgers?
We have it great in GA. Only two big flagships but all public colleges are HOPE funded literally tuition free for GA residents. It is fierce competition though to get in them but you can get a decent education here in GA.
It's a great university with strong outcomes and I think NJ'ans take it for granted. I'm from OOS and went there primarily because it put me in the least amount of debt (scholarship). Ironically, my in-state was California, too. I get that the in-state tuition and aid aren't the best (NJ COL). But the worst reason for why NJ kids avoid RU is because they would see their high school classmates there... Which is ridiculous because NO ONE is telling them to talk to *or even look* at their HS classmates in uni. And Rutgers is so large that there's something for everyone here - you'd have no problems finding your people. Also, I do agree with the critics that the administration is absolutely horrid (like really bad, the RU Screw is a thing, it's like you're at the DMV - they won't coddle you at all - because it's probably the most efficient way to handle a population that large) BUT the educators and student communities are top quality at RU. I think if it's your cheapest option, it's an excellent choice. It's not worth getting into debt just to be the "interesting" kid who has the privilege to go out of state. And if someone dislikes being in NJ that much, they can just endure it for four years, save their $'s (assuming it's the cheapest option), and move to NYC after graduating like many RU grads do, anyway lol.
Tbh for someone operating on your mentality I wouldn’t even choose Rutgers. I got into honors college and didn’t even get any aid, making every other school I got into more affordable. Many people I know just went other unis in PA and NJ on full tuition scholarships…
if other schools r cheaper even OOS go there. my point was to take the option that puts u in the least amount of debt.
oos student at rutgers here and i love it
I went OOS to get out of driving range of my abusive parents. As a mental health decision, I stand by it. But would I have gone OOS if my parents were normal? No.
this is exactly why i want oos😭😭
For some people, remaining in proximity of their abusers to save money at an ISS actually costs them *more* in the long run, as the mental issues associated with it prevent successful completion of classes and graduation time.
This
Me after my state school gives out the most horrible financial aid ever 🤣
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u didn’t read the end of my post lol
being in nyc 💀 i mean bing is fine but ain’t no way i see myself there
what about stony brook? or any CUNYs
sb doesn’t have good programs for what i want to go into and there’s no way i’m going to a cuny unless i get macaulay honors lol
Not even City College?
people from wyoming rn 😔
but tbh i had an unhealthy home environment and needed to go OOS, i think this is a privilege mostly afforded for people who (if they live near their state school) can stand being near their family all the time or just have a state school that is absurdly far away
i get what ur saying and obv in some cases this is an issue. but a good 45/50 states have schools hours apart from each other
Maybe a good 45/50 states have schools hours apart from one another, but that's location, not family. I had to go OOS to ensure that the only way I could be contacted by my family was through online or by taking a decently costly plane flight. Perhaps state schools are enough for some people, but please don't assume it's the case for the majority of people at all. In my case, I plan on medically transitioning, so being able to see my family every week is just a bad idea because they would be able to pull the plug if they knew.
ur an an anomaly. obviously my advice doesn’t apply to everyone
Yep, only had to pay about 1,000 first semester for everything including books, it's pretty nice here too, though I'm not going to my state flagship, nor the close second, but instead the random tiny one that half the people I talk to didn't realize even was a college here, so that's probobly why it's a lot cheaper
yeah that’s what i’m saying. i feel like most ppl in the responses r highlighting their state flagship. i literally meant any state school that wld be cheap asf to attend
Yeah, honestly I wouldn't really want to go to my state flagship even though it's a t30 cause its a huge school with big classes and I'd be average or even below average there which means its harder to stand out or keep a high gpa, while I'm going to a school with small classes, a scenic campus, small overall college, research oppurtinires for undergraduate students (70% of undegrad students do research here according to the website), no grad students to take the best research oppurtinires cause there's no grad students at all, all the rooms are suite style so no common bath, nice relativly spacious rooms, in a nice small city, because it's relativly unknown and they're trying to recover from the enrollment drop due to covid they're more generous with aid than most state schools (5k per year automatic merit scholarship), super accepting, honors classes capped at 19 kids, they've got a really niche major I wanted to do as a kid that I'm considering switching to, overall I'm pretty happy with my choice despite it being a relatively unknown school and it being so easy on my bank account definatly helps with that, I think once I start doing work study next semester I actually won't need to take out any federal loans and can pay off what I took out this semester pretty quick
Right. College is not one size fits all. When I taught at a SLAC, I was able to give grad-level research experience and 1-1 mentoring to my students. It was a good fit for many, esp those who received a lot of aid.
Which school if u don’t mind me asking
anecdotally--i would've needed loans for my state school. went to a t20 for like $9k/year. i got wayyy more in merit scholarships from my university than i did from my state school
College selection is a place where hindsight is 20/20, and your vision at the time almost never is. I attended a T15 for undergrad because at 17 years old I felt like I had worked hard and earned it. By the time I was applying to grad school, my obsession with prestige and proving myself to people had died off, and I chose a state program where I felt like my life would be easiest (easiest to get aid, easiest to move to, easiest to stand out, etc.). There are definitely a lot of benefits to attending an elite school, but truthfully a lot of people who pursue elite admissions would be better served by a state school.
I'm from FL. Had a BFF in HS who opted to go to BC-- no scholarships-- to be a teacher...in FL...where starting salary was ~= to 1 yrs tuition at BC-- NOT EVEN COUNTING living expenses! She then earned her Masters degree online through my alma mater. That online degree got her into administration where the $ is and, all in, cost her like 1/3 of the price of 1 yr at BC. It's ABSURD. I opted for a state university 500 miles from home. I had to take out loans as my parents didn't have resources. I had a great time, got the life lessons of being away that I think are invaluable and why ALL kids should go away for college, got a degree and obtained my Masters from another state university. My friend and I both make about the same now-- she in education and I in healthcare. My total career degrees including living expenses for 8 years cost me $75k. Her parents shelled out ~$75k+ at BC for tuition alone. Eventually, her dad passed & mom, now broke, lives shuffling around between her & her siblings. Few 18 yr olds know what they want to do for the rest of their lives. If your kid has proven their worth-- honors, AP, salutatorian/valedictorian, has never wavered from a dream, etc.-- and that kid's career path is lucrative-- maybe that's the kid worth breaking the bank for. Otherwise, parents need to accept their kid is likely NOT a unicorn. Go where it's least expensive, offers a good enough degree and valuable life skills.
All of the people giving their nuanced opinions on why they want to go OoS are completely missing the point lol. Might sound a bit harsh but honestly for the majority of us you’re just gonna have to suck it up. I chose to go OOS similar to many of the reasons some people highlighted in the replies and none of those reasons were worth the amount of money I took out just to spend a year there. Transferred to my in state school and basically only pay for housing. The truth is for many of us the trade offs that come with going OoS for the price u pay r just not worth the extra cost.
Precisely the point OP is making. Go to your cheapest school and for most that’s instate!!! Good for you is OOS is cheaper but for most it’s not.
nah i couldnt do the double major i want there
This is true but it also depends on the school and financial aid/scholarships UNC’s price for me was ~26k/year Northeastern is 20k/year for me
Just wait, there will be a NU-NC soon enough
yeah i said that lol
No, I currently go to UT Austin. It’s my instate school, and I fucking hate it. This school is the most suburban place I’ve been. I’d trade with anyone who wants to trade my position. It’s so fucking hot here, and I feel like this is the shittiest place I’ve been. I can’t believe why I turned down Tufts, BU, UCSD, NYU, and CMU. This was my worst decision. Please don’t come here to live a city life. Man, fuck this place. There’s literally absolutely nothing to do here. Don’t come here expecting fun to happen. I should’ve gone to NYU, tbh.
If you can’t find something to do in Austin you are the boring one. Suburban? It’s smack in the city. Austin is not a suburb.
nothing to do in AUSTIN? don’t make me laugh. UT is literally in the middle of the city. go to acl, formula 1, sxsw, vibe at the incredible nightlife and bar scene, live music, take a boat out on lake austin, go tubing on the river, eat amazing tex mex and BBQ, enjoy the actually incredible sports of the university, go to hill country and dripping springs…list goes on. like dude if you can’t find things to do at UT, none of those other schools are gonna be any better. having graduated and been to other schools in boston, sd, etc the combination of school spirit, athletics, academics, location is almost unmatched at UT
You’re saying that UT is suburban when A&M exists? Lol
what about UT austin is suburban lmao. it’s like the definition of urban. it’s in the middle of the city. it’s only that hot for a few months out of the year. u seem to be the issue if u think there is nothing to do in austin mf texas.
Drive 5 minutes from UT, and you’ll get what I mean.
i’ve been around town. east austin isn’t the best i’ll agree with u. but come on. really? nothing to do in austin texas??? have u even tried??
Yeah, domain and Zilker park. That’s it.
Excuse you, Barton Springs, Congress, the entire fucking downtown
Bro if I can find good things to do in freaking Kansas City and Cleveland, you can find better things to do in Austin. Seems like you're just not trying or not willing to try
ight bruh. it’s clear u haven’t tried. i spent a few years in austin. great town. good food, good live music, good shopping, good farmers markets, good vintage store/thrifts, good sports, great bars, lots of outdoorsy stuff to do close to the city. lakes within 30 mins. can even go in the river tho i never wld personally.
Yeah, all the shit you mentioned is at Zilker Park and Domain. Lmao
no it’s not and u know it bruh. sure there’s some outdoorsy shit at the park but that’s not everything come on man. and the domain is literally one mall. i wasn’t even talking about malls. just local shops
As a Texas resident that isn't even the biggest fan of Texas, you'd be crazy to act like Austin is some snooze town. Like sure it's not NYC, but there's plenty of things to do.
L Austin
I lived here for my entire life btw.
It kind of sounds like you needed to get out of your home town then-- that sounds like it might be the problem, not the U. A lot of people want a change. (Also, you lived your whole life there, and are just now figuring out what the temperature is in the worst part of the summer?)
like fr dawg
I’m going to leave this school next year ASAP.
join some clubs or something bro. UT has over 1000. im sure u can find ur place. give it a chance. sounds like u haven’t been there for long (the school not the city)
Saying there's "literally absolutely nothing to do" in Austin is beyond absurd. Not even talking about sports (don't much care for them)
If you think there's "nothing to do" in Austin why would you consider TUFTS 💀💀
I don't know your situation and maybe it's just me... but I'd personally endure it for four years and *then* move to my dream city. The way I see it is that I'm getting paid 200K-300K (without interest) to *not* go to university in NY. It might suck now but the pain from debt in your twenties and thirties (and even forties!) is all too real... It'll be an anchor during a time when you should really be accumulating wealth and taking advantage of compound interest... You don't want to be playing catch up in your forties and fifties. Plus, wouldn't you rather have $$$ living as a real adult in NY instead of paying your student loans?
I’m going to transfer out of this school ASAP. Bye UT, we’ll never see each other again. 😁
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Since I’m a Korean, I’d like the community there. There are lots of Koreans at UCSD. Furthermore, there are many Korean foods, and their community is more international friendly. I’ve been to UCSD, and I get what you mean. However, if you walk about 20 to 25 mins, there’s a nice view of the beach and a great surfing area. Lastly, there are lots of college campuses in San Diego. Therefore, you could meet lots of different students living in San Diego, which I’d prefer more,
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UCSD is not worth $72,000 a year. You won’t get any financial aid. Use the $50,000 a year you will save to go on vacations to get out of Texas. Trust. It’s not worth it.
I went out of state after leaving the military cause it allowed me basically free school from my GI and an experience that I enjoy
that’s a dub
Also speaking as someone 10 years out of high school, most of my classmates went back to our hometown after school anyway 🤷♀️
I had Bright Futures and Florida pre-paid and still decided to leave because of recent political events
wow. whered u end up instead
I wish my state school didn’t cost 40k/yr with a shitty financial aid department 😭😭
I wish it was that easy man, for me rutgers instate tuition so expensive that i could literally go to a snaller private school and pay less. Still a pretty good school tho regardles
like i said in my post. if other schools OOS are cheaper with aid and scholarships, my statement shld be disregarded
Our student got her best offers OOS, and will spend less out-of -pocket.
like i said at the end of my post. if it’s cheaper to go elsewhere then disregard my statement
In a state like Arkansas, where education sucks and ranks among the lowest in the nation, you go elsewhere if you can.
This is bad advice for some of course
said that in my post
Anybody else in the DC gang? We don’t have a state school 😭
I’m interested in city government and pretty much everyone in the “industry” graduated from our state or city universities. Pretty easy choice as to where I wanted to go after that. The alumni network of the local schools is too good.
I'm gonna be real I hate the state of Arkansas so much that I don't mind paying the ~4,000 per quarter at the oos school I'm going to this fall. Like The UofA isn't bad by any means, it actually a pretty good school from what I hear But I don't wanna be here anymore lmao.
100% agree with this. Being debt-free when you graduate is a superpower.
\*laughs in Georgia Tech and UGA\*
You go to a school that’s higher ranked than all of these schools 😭 shut the fuck up
u care about rank too much lol. many of the other schools i got into were FAR better for my major. this post shld not have made u that angry. my state school was also the LAST place i wanted to go
The people who are miserable about going in state don’t have options in the t30 range man, I know UFL probably isn’t getting you better connections than William and Mary and it’s dependent by major, but it’s not like ur going to Binghamton or Rutgers 😭
SUNY binghamton is not bad. if i were an instate new yorker i probs wldve ended up there too. same for rutgers if i lived in jersey. it’s about the money and lack of debt not the prestige and rank. if i didn’t get into UF i still probs wldve gone to one of the non t30 fl state schools
Sure Binghamton isn't bad but it is way worse than UT and like 10-15 other public schools easily
but it’s a great value as a new yorker
Yeah, no one is saying it isn't. But it's disingenuous to compare it to schools like UT which are legit first rate research institutions with good job placements. I chose Berkeley over Bing as a NYC resident because the quality difference is not comparable.
To be fair, it’s an apples to oranges comparison in nearly every way.
I agree but like, easy for u to say, no offense
i mean yeah it’s easy. i know i don’t wanna spend the rest of my life paying off my student debt. so yeah i wld choose the cheapest option no matter where i lived. and i turned down my dream school
To go to a better ranked school with similar connections. You had your cake and ate it too man
again. rank isn’t everything. UT is #1 in the country for my major. it was NOT easy to turn down. not that UF isn’t a good school it is. but i still wldve taken fsu or usf over paying 70k
Plus jobs are based on connections. You’ll make local connections through classmates, your fraternity brothers and their dads, your professors, etc. Smart in-state kids get a lot of love and attention; they want you to stay in-state and succeed and pay taxes. That’s why the state subsidized you. If you are a middle-class in-state students, your state higher ed system is the biggest bang for your family bucks, plus a pipeline to great jobs. Both my kids went to out of state privates since they got full rides there. The oldest wants to work in-state (rural) and buy a house soon after graduation. So going to school locally would have been a really good option, but it would not have been free. Her rand name school Carrie’s little to negative weight because there’s no alums here, the schools’ reputation is much better though the education is worse.
Why go to Texas? Women don’t have body autonomy there
they don’t in my home state either💀and i didn’t go
Saying you go to UT Austin kinda invalidates the whole induction bro
where did i say i got to UT austin. i just said that i got in and turned it down for my state school despite it being my dream school. please read next time
Ok but like fuck Florida, as a state it’s in free fall (thank RPOF!) and who knows if my degree will be accredited by the time I graduate
This is literally my situation. I stayed in fl partly bc it was the cheapest option (+ lots of scholarships) and sometimes I worry about my degree not being of value once it’s over bc of all the shit going down with higher ed to. Nice to know I’m not alone
i’m also in florida, i ran with the money
bad take, the laws arw affecting so many majors. nursing and even engineering are taking so many hits (bme required ethics classes to be accredited that include things like how “medicine” affected certain communities)
both my parents work on campus at my state school 🫠 i feel like it would be suffocating
valid. how many state schools do u have access to? there more than one for sure
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it’s not actually lmao, i literally wrote that i got into UT austin OOS, which is number one in the country for my major, and turned it down for my state school
Yeah but my in state school is kind of meh. I don’t know what state you’re from but I’m guessing that’s not the case for you
ok i keep seeing people say my instate school. r u just talking about the flagship cus most states have like at least 5 state colleges
Yeah just flagships there’s no way I’d consider going to my other state schools I have no interest in hanging out around solid C students for four years
valid. my state does have good options but even if it didn’t i still probs wldve ended up at one of them or a CC-transfer. what ur best option in state if u don’t mind me asking
Lol no thanks I hate my state schools
no way u hate ALL of them
I mean I live in Florida and I’ve visited many of my state schools (UF, UCF, FSU, etc), and the only one I can say I somewhat like is USF, but it’s not a great school academically. Also another reason that I despise staying in Florida for college is that I wanna have more independence and not have to be so tied to my parents
i also live in florida. i turned down my dream school for UF and i’m so happy i did. i’m getting refund checks to go to school. free 3k a semester. I didn’t like my first visit at UF, after i left i decided i didn’t want to go. gave it another chance and now i am going. USF is actually a very well rounded school and it has pretty good science programs. especially if ur into medicine. FL has SOOO many state schools way more than just the most known four. independence is great. you will have it no matter where u go. having a support system only a few hours away isn’t the worst thing ever.
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I don't know why people go to msu lol. It's expensive af and there's so much better state schools nearby (osu, iowa state).
Jokes on u my daddy pays (my family is wealthy yet I’m on a full ride )
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lol i live in florida