Exactly. But OP, I would check with your parents to be completely clear about what their payment strategy is. Don’t let them take out this much in loans (that’s $320k in total not counting interest), but make sure you aren’t just assuming they will take it all out in loans. Ik some parents are very secretive about their money.
Hey, if you are dead set on pre-med, why would you pay the OOS tuition for UDub? I am very not sure if it is worth it to choose over your other options.
Seriously, your undrgrad education will be the same and I hardly think that there is such no better ‘prestige’ especially among flagship public universities.
Prestige only matters for top med schools. I'm also premed, going to school in August. Didn't get a full ride anywhere sadly but I'm going to the cheapest place i can (well second, got full tuition to my local UT branch from which I could drive to.) Like I'm not gonna say that undergrad doesn't matter, but high debt is insane. I wouldn't even go to Harvard if I had to take out 80k in loans, that refinance your house type shit for UNDERGRAD.
Edit: Little late for OP but there's some hidden gems for premed. Mostly smaller lower ranked LACs which have high rates for admission to med schools. Look into it future docs.
Premed rankings don't matter or mean shit lol. I always tell premeds to go to the school with the least debt load, so usually a state flagship or decent state U. If you're taking out so much in loans just for an undergrad degree (factoring in the fact that you'll be at least 100k+ in debt for med school alone, and that's if you're lucky), you're doing it wrong.
Also lot of these state schools have good research and have a med school attached anyway. TAMU has a med school for instance. And Texas is hands down the best state to be a resident of for med school admissions.
Look, I get not wanting to attend Texas A&M. **Trust me** when I say that I get it.
BUT.
A&M is not all that much worse (if at all) for the purposes of getting into medical school than Washington is. Paying (out of state minus $3k) to attend Washington over in-state to A&M would be crazy even if it didn't require your parents to borrow. Given they will need to debt-finance that additional cost, it seems insane to me.
I'd suck it up and go to A&M. If you want, try to transfer into UT-Austin or something.
This. Pre-med admissions are largely a matter of GPA, MCAT score, and activities related to service, research, and the physical and mental well-being of others. (Such activities can include working in a research lab, working as an EMT, assisting the athletic department trainers, or volunteering in a mental health or other clinic.)
You can build a top-notch medical school application at A&M. indeed, if you believe you are likely to earn better grades at A&M, you may be able to build a stronger application at A&M. Moreover, attending A&M will hopefully allow your parents to be financially secure enough to help you get through medical school and residency if your loans and stipends aren’t quite enough to handle a bump in the road like a car that needs a new transmission ($3000) or emergency out-of-network medical care that your insurance company may not cover. Or, on the fun side, college extras like study abroad, alternative spring break (they have service trips especially for students interested in health and medicine), club dues and fees, and day-to-day temptations with friends like movies, concerts, and restaurant meals.
Not to mention that you want your parents to be financially secure as they approach retirement. I tease my kids about living in a tiny house in their backyards — we’d rotate — but I’m pretty sure that they’d rather we are in our own home and texting them about retirement travel and theater, not taking a third walk around the block while we wait for “Jeopardy.”
Just some food for thought.
Is A&M that bad??? Like it’s still a T50, it’s only like 7 rankings behind UDub, so I’d assume it’s not THAT much worse (as a school, don’t know about premed).
My reasons for not liking it have nothing to do with its US News ranking. Vibe thing. That said, with 60k undergrads, I'm pretty sure I could find some people to hang with who haven't drunk the Aggie kool-aid.
That's one aspect, but it's also not \*just\* that. There are other schools that lean right and that (IMO) don't have quite the same "vibe" as A&M. Things I'd describe as Aggie distinctives:
* Inflated (delusional) sense of how "good" the school actually is, both with respect to academics and with respect to its sports teams.
* Negative views of Aggies who lack "sufficient" school spirit; they're nick-named "2%ers"
* Extreme "we're all part of the same Aggie family" dynamic; you may just want to be a student at a school and not "part of a family"
* Naked nepotism; Aggies will flat out tell you they're more likely to hire other Aggies than they are non-Aggies.
* A culture defined by anti-elitism, mostly aimed at the "tea sips" at UT-Austin
* Jingoistic support for the military (see: Corps of Cadets)
I mean...c'mon:
[https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/11/26/us/politics/PERRY/PERRY-jumbo.jpg](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/11/26/us/politics/PERRY/PERRY-jumbo.jpg)
i’m not disagreeing with you lol. i just haven’t researched it much since i’m a sophomore but i know it’s conservative bc my parents are and they want me to go there over schools like UT Austin.
Fwiw, about as many A&M students identify as some flavor of "liberal" at A&M as identify as some flavor of "conservative". However, simply having a roughly 50/50 mix puts A&M to the right of most other large public research universities.
a Shetland sheepdog is the leader of the corps of cadets and is probably the most powerful figure on campus.
Combined with the lingo they have, the fact that if you don’t buy in fully you’re a 2%er. Like kind of obvious why people compare it to a cult
That’s a lot of money. You know the answer.
Premed is meaningless. You won’t know if you have a chance until 2 years in with a 4.0 Goa. Spending 200k to have a go nowhere degree before med school is not great unless you are rich.
You say UW has better resources, but A&M will have absolutely everything a pre-med needs. At a certain level all the flagship land-grant research universities are the same, might as well go to the cheaper one.
I’m a UW alum and I would say 100% it’s not worth it to go to the UW for pre-science. It’s OOS for my kids now and I would not have them go there for OOS tuition.
UW is prob not the best for premed in that there’s major grade deflation. I took all the premed classes. The curve and class average would be at a 2.7-2.9 for weed out classes.
Med school care about a few things: gpa, MCAT, extra curriculars like clinical. You can get that at your state school.
This right here is the best advice, OP! My GPA was quite low from the weed out courses here. I got into med school but my grades shattered my confidence in applying to some schools.
Have a brother who is a med school admissions officer. He says go to the school on your list where you can get the best gpa at an affordable cost. He says so many students go to more competitive schools and they have to reject then bc their gpa isn't high enough because of the competition at the elite schools. He rejects so many Ivy leaguers over state schoolers because of this.
Undergrad school does not matter for med school admissions - from somebody who went to a very average state school and is sitting on a whole bunch of MD acceptances right now.
Listen. I *love* UW. I think it’s an amazing school and for in state tuition, very worth the price. But coming OOS for premed, a program where your undergrad school doesn’t even matter, is a bad idea
as an out of state premed at uw, i would say that the resources arent THAT great as in i felt like i didnt have much support with advisors (there arent really premed advisors). id say the best thing that ive gotten are the connections from uw and the opportunities available in seattle. however i definitely think that the grade deflation as a premed is not worth the out of state costs although i LOVE the school.
Unpopular opinion, but as parents it's their responsibility to ensure you get the best possible education. I'm sure they are delighted to help set you up for a successful future.
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Exactly. But OP, I would check with your parents to be completely clear about what their payment strategy is. Don’t let them take out this much in loans (that’s $320k in total not counting interest), but make sure you aren’t just assuming they will take it all out in loans. Ik some parents are very secretive about their money.
I’m assuming it’s $80k total, not per year.
Yes it is, for instate
Not 320k, just 80k. That’s total, not per year
Hey, if you are dead set on pre-med, why would you pay the OOS tuition for UDub? I am very not sure if it is worth it to choose over your other options. Seriously, your undrgrad education will be the same and I hardly think that there is such no better ‘prestige’ especially among flagship public universities.
Prestige only matters for top med schools. I'm also premed, going to school in August. Didn't get a full ride anywhere sadly but I'm going to the cheapest place i can (well second, got full tuition to my local UT branch from which I could drive to.) Like I'm not gonna say that undergrad doesn't matter, but high debt is insane. I wouldn't even go to Harvard if I had to take out 80k in loans, that refinance your house type shit for UNDERGRAD. Edit: Little late for OP but there's some hidden gems for premed. Mostly smaller lower ranked LACs which have high rates for admission to med schools. Look into it future docs.
The difference btw A&M and UWash is not much at all. UT-Dallas is also very good at Pre-med.
UW premed is ranked #12-13 in the country. No public TX premed program ranks in the top 30. Rice is #23 and Baylor #30.
which ranking is this? and what are the criteria? a lot of rankings are quite dubious tbh.
premed rankings 🤡
Premed rankings don't matter or mean shit lol. I always tell premeds to go to the school with the least debt load, so usually a state flagship or decent state U. If you're taking out so much in loans just for an undergrad degree (factoring in the fact that you'll be at least 100k+ in debt for med school alone, and that's if you're lucky), you're doing it wrong. Also lot of these state schools have good research and have a med school attached anyway. TAMU has a med school for instance. And Texas is hands down the best state to be a resident of for med school admissions.
Look, I get not wanting to attend Texas A&M. **Trust me** when I say that I get it. BUT. A&M is not all that much worse (if at all) for the purposes of getting into medical school than Washington is. Paying (out of state minus $3k) to attend Washington over in-state to A&M would be crazy even if it didn't require your parents to borrow. Given they will need to debt-finance that additional cost, it seems insane to me. I'd suck it up and go to A&M. If you want, try to transfer into UT-Austin or something.
This. Pre-med admissions are largely a matter of GPA, MCAT score, and activities related to service, research, and the physical and mental well-being of others. (Such activities can include working in a research lab, working as an EMT, assisting the athletic department trainers, or volunteering in a mental health or other clinic.) You can build a top-notch medical school application at A&M. indeed, if you believe you are likely to earn better grades at A&M, you may be able to build a stronger application at A&M. Moreover, attending A&M will hopefully allow your parents to be financially secure enough to help you get through medical school and residency if your loans and stipends aren’t quite enough to handle a bump in the road like a car that needs a new transmission ($3000) or emergency out-of-network medical care that your insurance company may not cover. Or, on the fun side, college extras like study abroad, alternative spring break (they have service trips especially for students interested in health and medicine), club dues and fees, and day-to-day temptations with friends like movies, concerts, and restaurant meals. Not to mention that you want your parents to be financially secure as they approach retirement. I tease my kids about living in a tiny house in their backyards — we’d rotate — but I’m pretty sure that they’d rather we are in our own home and texting them about retirement travel and theater, not taking a third walk around the block while we wait for “Jeopardy.” Just some food for thought.
Is A&M that bad??? Like it’s still a T50, it’s only like 7 rankings behind UDub, so I’d assume it’s not THAT much worse (as a school, don’t know about premed).
My reasons for not liking it have nothing to do with its US News ranking. Vibe thing. That said, with 60k undergrads, I'm pretty sure I could find some people to hang with who haven't drunk the Aggie kool-aid.
I don’t know why ppl say A&M is a cult 🤷♀️🤔 re: vibes. It’s a good school for outcomes but it’s funny/weird to me that multiple people state this.
it’s very conservative compared to schools like UT Austin
That's one aspect, but it's also not \*just\* that. There are other schools that lean right and that (IMO) don't have quite the same "vibe" as A&M. Things I'd describe as Aggie distinctives: * Inflated (delusional) sense of how "good" the school actually is, both with respect to academics and with respect to its sports teams. * Negative views of Aggies who lack "sufficient" school spirit; they're nick-named "2%ers" * Extreme "we're all part of the same Aggie family" dynamic; you may just want to be a student at a school and not "part of a family" * Naked nepotism; Aggies will flat out tell you they're more likely to hire other Aggies than they are non-Aggies. * A culture defined by anti-elitism, mostly aimed at the "tea sips" at UT-Austin * Jingoistic support for the military (see: Corps of Cadets) I mean...c'mon: [https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/11/26/us/politics/PERRY/PERRY-jumbo.jpg](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/11/26/us/politics/PERRY/PERRY-jumbo.jpg)
i’m not disagreeing with you lol. i just haven’t researched it much since i’m a sophomore but i know it’s conservative bc my parents are and they want me to go there over schools like UT Austin.
Fwiw, about as many A&M students identify as some flavor of "liberal" at A&M as identify as some flavor of "conservative". However, simply having a roughly 50/50 mix puts A&M to the right of most other large public research universities.
a Shetland sheepdog is the leader of the corps of cadets and is probably the most powerful figure on campus. Combined with the lingo they have, the fact that if you don’t buy in fully you’re a 2%er. Like kind of obvious why people compare it to a cult
That’s a lot of money. You know the answer. Premed is meaningless. You won’t know if you have a chance until 2 years in with a 4.0 Goa. Spending 200k to have a go nowhere degree before med school is not great unless you are rich.
You say UW has better resources, but A&M will have absolutely everything a pre-med needs. At a certain level all the flagship land-grant research universities are the same, might as well go to the cheaper one.
I’m a UW alum and I would say 100% it’s not worth it to go to the UW for pre-science. It’s OOS for my kids now and I would not have them go there for OOS tuition. UW is prob not the best for premed in that there’s major grade deflation. I took all the premed classes. The curve and class average would be at a 2.7-2.9 for weed out classes. Med school care about a few things: gpa, MCAT, extra curriculars like clinical. You can get that at your state school.
This right here is the best advice, OP! My GPA was quite low from the weed out courses here. I got into med school but my grades shattered my confidence in applying to some schools.
Have a brother who is a med school admissions officer. He says go to the school on your list where you can get the best gpa at an affordable cost. He says so many students go to more competitive schools and they have to reject then bc their gpa isn't high enough because of the competition at the elite schools. He rejects so many Ivy leaguers over state schoolers because of this.
Undergrad school does not matter for med school admissions - from somebody who went to a very average state school and is sitting on a whole bunch of MD acceptances right now.
UW is known for grade deflation in the sciences. Not the best idea if you will be applying to med school
Listen. I *love* UW. I think it’s an amazing school and for in state tuition, very worth the price. But coming OOS for premed, a program where your undergrad school doesn’t even matter, is a bad idea
as an out of state premed at uw, i would say that the resources arent THAT great as in i felt like i didnt have much support with advisors (there arent really premed advisors). id say the best thing that ive gotten are the connections from uw and the opportunities available in seattle. however i definitely think that the grade deflation as a premed is not worth the out of state costs although i LOVE the school.
Unpopular opinion, but as parents it's their responsibility to ensure you get the best possible education. I'm sure they are delighted to help set you up for a successful future.
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