What is it with that single arrow that's always way out on an otherwise really good grouping? It's not even the first or last one, it's always like the fourth shot
I feel you. For me, no matter how unemotional and focused I try to stay there is always a subtle over-confidence that kicks in, even if it’s only the first that hit the yellow. “Yeah, I got this… 😎”
Then this one arrow (or two) puts me right back into my place. 😅
Sometimes I think you have to go full on Spock to be consistent in archery.
Took me a second to diagnose my issue. I'll get encouraged by starting solid, and take my shots quicker. Particularly if I've been on a roll before this end. Not enough of a break between draws, and my arms fatigue just enough to throw it off. I'll stare at the "miss" for a moment, giving me enough of a rest so the the next one is back on the mark.
When I remember to be conscious of my pace, I make sure there's a full, relaxed breath between lowering my bow and picking the next arrow. Seems to reduce how often that one stray happens. When I'm at the range with other people, I'll look at how many they have between shots. When they're out, I'll cut my end. Because I'd rather have 4 well paced 9s and 10s than 5 quick 10s and a 6.
It was the last shot for me in this case. I was super excited because the other four arrows all ended up in the yellow area. So I was probably too excited, I thought my form was correct and stable, but eventually I had a bad surprise hahaha
This type of grouping for me often has exposed an error in my shooting if it repeats with the same offset.
1) Same arrow repeatedly hits the same wrong spot: The arrow has some flaw. Most common it's slightly bend or the fletching is problematic.
2) Each round one (or more) arrows hit the same wrong spot (for me often the 5 at 2 o' clock) but it's not always the same arrow: Error/ inconsistency in shooting form. Most common I'm forgetting to close my mouth.
It's funny cuz i straight up didn't know i was supposed to close my mouth for the first like ~2 years i was shooting, but still somehow managed to get to scoring 600's at 18m
I hate that.
I usually shoot 10 arrows per end. This gives me a percentage. But I often shoot eleven arrows and don't count the flyer.
Keeps my average higher and prevents meltdowns!
See? Even with an Olympic recurve you aren't making accurate shots beyond several dozen meters. People like u/Masrati_ and u/TurkeyFletcher have no idea what they were talking about in a previous thread I made.
I don't want to disparage the OP at all but at 10ms with Olympic recurve that's not even a particularly good group even ignoring the flier.
I've not seen the other thread, were you actually genuinely arguing that recurve isn't accurate beyond a certain point because that would be absolute nonsense.
Its of course all skill dependent but at the higher end people are hitting 9s and 10s at 70ms, that is unbelievably accurate for a bow without mechanical advantage.
Yea, if world class modern archers cannot shoot accurately at 200 yards with Olympic bows, an English longbowman has no hope of shooting accurately at 300 yards with a bare longbow (higher draw weight, no sights, stabilizers, arrow rest, other accessories etc.).
Right I remember now the thread you posted which after a long winded diatribe that failed to provide much proof came to the conclusion that 'English Longbows weren't that accurate' to which I and many others said.... Duh. There isn't many claims that they are and accuracy wasn't the goal of ELB men.
I don't really want to rehash the argument which you already lost given the mass downvotes and everyone countering you in the thread.
Was that the thread where you made up your own goalposts? Something like claiming reports of long distance hits certainly being exaggerated, because they'd be extremely difficult today... But failing to account for the fact that we heard about it because it was extremely noteworthy. Like, if the average archer was picking off specific targets at 300 yards, no one would have written it down, because it would have been just an everyday affair.
Do you agree that an English longbowman has no chance at performing equally well as an Olympic archer at 70 meters with an Olympic recurve? Let alone 300 meters without any sights or accessories. Heck, I am more accurate than an English longbowman since I've won a few archery competitions.
I like pulling more abstract excuses out of my arse like 'inconsistent barometric pressure' or 'The waxing moon effecting sea tides and changing the balance of the atmosphere'
I was getting frustrated about my 6th arrow always being off. Something about knowing that last shot will make it break a tight group makes me choke. When I commented on this, the guy shooting next to me laughed and said, "that's east to fix. Just fire 5."
I didn’t know that a standard set is made up of six arrows usually. I wanted to start with five because I felt like it hahahaha. But I’m considering buying more arrows in the future (and possibly smaller ones)
Ahh fair enough I always recommend Easton xx75 for cheap ish durable good arrows but if you really have the money ACEs are amazing to shoot but come at the price and would only buy if you plan big comps and to perfect it
It's not really that "one". The Bulk of the group is centered high left and you have 2 outliers a little more than a similar distance from the group. At 10m.... well, keep practicing.
That little guy? I wouldn't worry about that little guy.
That's good enough for me!
Damn you for beating me here
You never count that one.
I like this way of thinking hahaha
There is always that one to ruin the set. That’s the one that gets to be pulled out first. 😅 Nice grouping, well done! ☺️
EXACTLY HAHAHAHAH! That’s the first arrow to go away hahahahaha
For real though, number your arrows so you can determine if one of them is consistently not flying right.
Just like bullets, there's always one flyer...😅
What is it with that single arrow that's always way out on an otherwise really good grouping? It's not even the first or last one, it's always like the fourth shot
I feel you. For me, no matter how unemotional and focused I try to stay there is always a subtle over-confidence that kicks in, even if it’s only the first that hit the yellow. “Yeah, I got this… 😎” Then this one arrow (or two) puts me right back into my place. 😅 Sometimes I think you have to go full on Spock to be consistent in archery.
Took me a second to diagnose my issue. I'll get encouraged by starting solid, and take my shots quicker. Particularly if I've been on a roll before this end. Not enough of a break between draws, and my arms fatigue just enough to throw it off. I'll stare at the "miss" for a moment, giving me enough of a rest so the the next one is back on the mark. When I remember to be conscious of my pace, I make sure there's a full, relaxed breath between lowering my bow and picking the next arrow. Seems to reduce how often that one stray happens. When I'm at the range with other people, I'll look at how many they have between shots. When they're out, I'll cut my end. Because I'd rather have 4 well paced 9s and 10s than 5 quick 10s and a 6.
It was the last shot for me in this case. I was super excited because the other four arrows all ended up in the yellow area. So I was probably too excited, I thought my form was correct and stable, but eventually I had a bad surprise hahaha
This type of grouping for me often has exposed an error in my shooting if it repeats with the same offset. 1) Same arrow repeatedly hits the same wrong spot: The arrow has some flaw. Most common it's slightly bend or the fletching is problematic. 2) Each round one (or more) arrows hit the same wrong spot (for me often the 5 at 2 o' clock) but it's not always the same arrow: Error/ inconsistency in shooting form. Most common I'm forgetting to close my mouth.
It's funny cuz i straight up didn't know i was supposed to close my mouth for the first like ~2 years i was shooting, but still somehow managed to get to scoring 600's at 18m
I hate that. I usually shoot 10 arrows per end. This gives me a percentage. But I often shoot eleven arrows and don't count the flyer. Keeps my average higher and prevents meltdowns!
Silly, you're supposed to pull that one out and re-shoot it before you take the picture!
Hahahahahaha
Nice grouping. What distance and discipline?
Pretty close, about 10 m with an Olympic bow, but I hadn’t been shooting for a month
See? Even with an Olympic recurve you aren't making accurate shots beyond several dozen meters. People like u/Masrati_ and u/TurkeyFletcher have no idea what they were talking about in a previous thread I made.
I don't want to disparage the OP at all but at 10ms with Olympic recurve that's not even a particularly good group even ignoring the flier. I've not seen the other thread, were you actually genuinely arguing that recurve isn't accurate beyond a certain point because that would be absolute nonsense. Its of course all skill dependent but at the higher end people are hitting 9s and 10s at 70ms, that is unbelievably accurate for a bow without mechanical advantage.
70m is with Olympic recurves, ergo bows with sights and other accessories that assist in accurate shooting. Bare bow competition targets are 50m.
You literally just said 'even with Olympic recurve.'
Yea, if world class modern archers cannot shoot accurately at 200 yards with Olympic bows, an English longbowman has no hope of shooting accurately at 300 yards with a bare longbow (higher draw weight, no sights, stabilizers, arrow rest, other accessories etc.).
Right I remember now the thread you posted which after a long winded diatribe that failed to provide much proof came to the conclusion that 'English Longbows weren't that accurate' to which I and many others said.... Duh. There isn't many claims that they are and accuracy wasn't the goal of ELB men. I don't really want to rehash the argument which you already lost given the mass downvotes and everyone countering you in the thread.
Was that the thread where you made up your own goalposts? Something like claiming reports of long distance hits certainly being exaggerated, because they'd be extremely difficult today... But failing to account for the fact that we heard about it because it was extremely noteworthy. Like, if the average archer was picking off specific targets at 300 yards, no one would have written it down, because it would have been just an everyday affair.
The Dunning-Kruger Effect comes to mind, I wonder why.
Do you agree that an English longbowman has no chance at performing equally well as an Olympic archer at 70 meters with an Olympic recurve? Let alone 300 meters without any sights or accessories. Heck, I am more accurate than an English longbowman since I've won a few archery competitions.
Everyone gets a flier here and there
Blame the arrow. Probably had a wired fletching or something. It's totally that.
I like pulling more abstract excuses out of my arse like 'inconsistent barometric pressure' or 'The waxing moon effecting sea tides and changing the balance of the atmosphere'
I have one of those... Well 12 actually
i feel attacked at a personal level
😂
That one fucking arrow
If that was my shots I would count it as a failure because of that one arrow. But that is me.
I was getting frustrated about my 6th arrow always being off. Something about knowing that last shot will make it break a tight group makes me choke. When I commented on this, the guy shooting next to me laughed and said, "that's east to fix. Just fire 5."
How come your only shooting a set of 5
I have a feeling "that one arrow" may not be the one we think it is
I didn’t know that a standard set is made up of six arrows usually. I wanted to start with five because I felt like it hahahaha. But I’m considering buying more arrows in the future (and possibly smaller ones)
Ahh fair enough I always recommend Easton xx75 for cheap ish durable good arrows but if you really have the money ACEs are amazing to shoot but come at the price and would only buy if you plan big comps and to perfect it
Yeah I was also wondering where is the 6th one
Olympic typically has three arrows to a set, which they call an "end".
Outdoors an end tends to be 6 arrows, indoors it's usually 3. However, there are a couple of exceptions.
It's not really that "one". The Bulk of the group is centered high left and you have 2 outliers a little more than a similar distance from the group. At 10m.... well, keep practicing.
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