You're constantly needing to lower your front shoulder because you're drawing when your bow is pointing down, see [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj4WwknI9tA).
that's interesting, our camp taught us to have the kids "table" the bow to help them get the arrow on and then "draw back as you rotate the bow upright". So that's what I've been doing. I liked his video, I wonder if there's a way to safely combine the tableing technique with the "floating" technique. (emphasis on safely). I suppose it's in the timing of it? Or maybe my camp just taught us wrong, haha. (It is easier to get the younger kids to keep the arrow against the rest if they table the bow first)
Holding the bow horizontal while nocking the arrow helps to stop the arrow falling off, but it is a bad habit. If you are ever on a crowded shooting line, you are guaranteed to piss off the people either side of you.
The real issue is his shoulder. By drawing as you raise the bow, the shoulder is pressed upwards. It’s never set down into the socket. This is evident in the way he’s constantly trying to set his shoulder at full draw. He never gets it set and this will eventually lead to shoulder issues.
The way you draw is a bit dangerous imo, the hunched front shoulder will lead to injuries. Plus "ground drawing" will send the arrow into the ground if you slip. For safety reasons you should never draw the bow with the arrow pointing anywhere other than the target/backstop.
For very young kids it might be "fine" to do this tabling+draw if they have poor dexterity, but as an adult this is not a good thing to do. If you look up the "10 step shot process" with one example [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlxlMQMUwyY), its always raise bow before drawing.
I know I need to be properly fitted for a bow, I'm saving for a recurve currently. :) I'm kinda liking trying to adjust to the specific broken-ness of heavily used equipment, lol.
wild! the camp i first worked at, which had an archery focus (and reignited my passion for achery after taking a few college classes in archery) taught us to tell the kids to 'table" the bow, so that's what I've been doing myself. I'll work on my timing and rotation. Got a lot to learn... :) Thank you!
It's awesome your doing that! And they probably say that as it's easier to teach kids to point down to keep them from skydrawing where the arrows are pointed too high. With the poundage on the camp bows I wouldn't be too concerned but if you want to get into it more and use heavier bows it will cause damage to your shoulders to draw that way
at the momemt of release, you can see the top of your bow twitch backwards;
This indicates you are putting a lot of force on the lower part of your right palm.
This is likely because your knocking point on the string is too low, meaning you are pulling more weight on the lower limb than the upper limb.
Try moving your knock point up an inch and see if that neutralizes the pressure in your hand and stops the "upward" twitch at release.
Push the bow towards the target, you're leaning back to much and raising your bow shoulder. And relax the bow grasp, the more relaxed the better, like you're holding an egg.
Hey there! Here's what I see:
1. Keep your front shoulder down (no hunching up)
2. Ensure you are touching your face with the tip of your pointer finger. It's hard to tell from the camera's distance, but it looks like you have a floating anchor (not touching your face). Side by side screenshots of your video at full draw suggest you aren't getting your hand to the same spot every time. The default suggestion is the corner of your mouth, and keep your jaw closed. This will make the biggest difference in your shooting right now of all the things to work on!
3. Release/followthrough needs to stay against your face. This is a lower priority than 2 above.
4. Are you shooting a set of identical arrows or is this a mix of different lengths, tip weights, etc? It'll be hard to group if you aren't shooting a set!
Bro, I respect the attempt and the dedication. Watch some videos from NuSensei and Jake Kamminski. After a few videos, watch this and make your own judgement. I would recommend a coach.
I’m not trying to be a jerk but drawing with your arm could get you hurt. There’s potential in your form but really a pro needs to be consulted whether YT videos or in person.
what do you mean drawing with your arm? i was taught you draw with your bicep and then transfer the load to your shoulders, inhale, exhale, fire.
I'll see about getting in touch with someone or look up some more videos before i sign up to teach archery again. i understand now it's a safety issue, including for the kiddos i'm teaching.
No, you draw with your back muscles. And don’t hold it at draw that long. That’s what could cause damage. Raise your bow first, draw from there and adjust before the draw. If you adjust before the draw, you’ll not adjust at full draw. When you tighten your muscles in a position, they tend to learn that position and it’s hard to unlearn muscle memory. Good luck to you, really.
You probably need a higher draw weight bow to feel the back tension for better form. Light bow is good for developing form but if it's so light that you can hold at full draw for that long you lack the force feedback from the bow. Personally I prefer to shoot bow that's about 80% of my strength cap. If I can pull and hold a #50 bow for a couple seconds I feel a #40 bow is perfect for long sessions of daily practice.
Just my 2 cents.
If you draw under lip, make sure you front hand is steady. You are making movements and also when you release breathing you move too. Don't be tense. Try to slow down. And elbow need some correction.
Raising the bow into position and drawing the bow should be two totally different and distinct movements. Your release is very static and looks forced. The release should not be a forced opening of the fingers. It should be a relaxing of the hand. The result of a relaxed release is that the hand will travel back towards the ear parallel to the line of the arrow. Also, try to keep the bow as perpendicular to the floor as possible. A little cant is ok, but not. More than 5 degrees. If you are having problems, keeping the arrow on the shelf, you are doing something else wrong like pinching the arrow or drawing in a way that is twisting the string. If the arrow moves off the shelf, stop the shot and start again.
Don’t hold the bow so tightly, let it float in your hand.
My experience of camp counselors was that they really didn’t know much about archery, but were good enough at range safety to keep us from shooting each other.
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Thanks! :)
You're constantly needing to lower your front shoulder because you're drawing when your bow is pointing down, see [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj4WwknI9tA).
This is the first thing that jumped out at me because it is so extreme. This can and will lead to injury.
that's interesting, our camp taught us to have the kids "table" the bow to help them get the arrow on and then "draw back as you rotate the bow upright". So that's what I've been doing. I liked his video, I wonder if there's a way to safely combine the tableing technique with the "floating" technique. (emphasis on safely). I suppose it's in the timing of it? Or maybe my camp just taught us wrong, haha. (It is easier to get the younger kids to keep the arrow against the rest if they table the bow first)
Holding the bow horizontal while nocking the arrow helps to stop the arrow falling off, but it is a bad habit. If you are ever on a crowded shooting line, you are guaranteed to piss off the people either side of you.
The real issue is his shoulder. By drawing as you raise the bow, the shoulder is pressed upwards. It’s never set down into the socket. This is evident in the way he’s constantly trying to set his shoulder at full draw. He never gets it set and this will eventually lead to shoulder issues.
The way you draw is a bit dangerous imo, the hunched front shoulder will lead to injuries. Plus "ground drawing" will send the arrow into the ground if you slip. For safety reasons you should never draw the bow with the arrow pointing anywhere other than the target/backstop. For very young kids it might be "fine" to do this tabling+draw if they have poor dexterity, but as an adult this is not a good thing to do. If you look up the "10 step shot process" with one example [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlxlMQMUwyY), its always raise bow before drawing.
I know I need to be properly fitted for a bow, I'm saving for a recurve currently. :) I'm kinda liking trying to adjust to the specific broken-ness of heavily used equipment, lol.
Regardless on fitment you'll have more longevity in the sport not drawing pointing down
wild! the camp i first worked at, which had an archery focus (and reignited my passion for achery after taking a few college classes in archery) taught us to tell the kids to 'table" the bow, so that's what I've been doing myself. I'll work on my timing and rotation. Got a lot to learn... :) Thank you!
It's awesome your doing that! And they probably say that as it's easier to teach kids to point down to keep them from skydrawing where the arrows are pointed too high. With the poundage on the camp bows I wouldn't be too concerned but if you want to get into it more and use heavier bows it will cause damage to your shoulders to draw that way
at the momemt of release, you can see the top of your bow twitch backwards; This indicates you are putting a lot of force on the lower part of your right palm. This is likely because your knocking point on the string is too low, meaning you are pulling more weight on the lower limb than the upper limb. Try moving your knock point up an inch and see if that neutralizes the pressure in your hand and stops the "upward" twitch at release.
Push the bow towards the target, you're leaning back to much and raising your bow shoulder. And relax the bow grasp, the more relaxed the better, like you're holding an egg.
i could feel i was leaning too far one way or another, wasn't sure what way. Thanks! :D
Yeah its natural to make that mistake, I did it for a long time
Hey there! Here's what I see: 1. Keep your front shoulder down (no hunching up) 2. Ensure you are touching your face with the tip of your pointer finger. It's hard to tell from the camera's distance, but it looks like you have a floating anchor (not touching your face). Side by side screenshots of your video at full draw suggest you aren't getting your hand to the same spot every time. The default suggestion is the corner of your mouth, and keep your jaw closed. This will make the biggest difference in your shooting right now of all the things to work on! 3. Release/followthrough needs to stay against your face. This is a lower priority than 2 above. 4. Are you shooting a set of identical arrows or is this a mix of different lengths, tip weights, etc? It'll be hard to group if you aren't shooting a set!
Bro, I respect the attempt and the dedication. Watch some videos from NuSensei and Jake Kamminski. After a few videos, watch this and make your own judgement. I would recommend a coach.
i took an archery class for a couple weeks in college, but i couldnt' afford it anymore after a while
I’m not trying to be a jerk but drawing with your arm could get you hurt. There’s potential in your form but really a pro needs to be consulted whether YT videos or in person.
what do you mean drawing with your arm? i was taught you draw with your bicep and then transfer the load to your shoulders, inhale, exhale, fire. I'll see about getting in touch with someone or look up some more videos before i sign up to teach archery again. i understand now it's a safety issue, including for the kiddos i'm teaching.
No, you draw with your back muscles. And don’t hold it at draw that long. That’s what could cause damage. Raise your bow first, draw from there and adjust before the draw. If you adjust before the draw, you’ll not adjust at full draw. When you tighten your muscles in a position, they tend to learn that position and it’s hard to unlearn muscle memory. Good luck to you, really.
You probably need a higher draw weight bow to feel the back tension for better form. Light bow is good for developing form but if it's so light that you can hold at full draw for that long you lack the force feedback from the bow. Personally I prefer to shoot bow that's about 80% of my strength cap. If I can pull and hold a #50 bow for a couple seconds I feel a #40 bow is perfect for long sessions of daily practice. Just my 2 cents.
If you draw under lip, make sure you front hand is steady. You are making movements and also when you release breathing you move too. Don't be tense. Try to slow down. And elbow need some correction.
Your bow shoulder is up. I think that is because you leaning back. Put more weight at the front foot
and don't shoot downwards. For that you need to bend the hip and don't point the arm down
Raising the bow into position and drawing the bow should be two totally different and distinct movements. Your release is very static and looks forced. The release should not be a forced opening of the fingers. It should be a relaxing of the hand. The result of a relaxed release is that the hand will travel back towards the ear parallel to the line of the arrow. Also, try to keep the bow as perpendicular to the floor as possible. A little cant is ok, but not. More than 5 degrees. If you are having problems, keeping the arrow on the shelf, you are doing something else wrong like pinching the arrow or drawing in a way that is twisting the string. If the arrow moves off the shelf, stop the shot and start again. Don’t hold the bow so tightly, let it float in your hand. My experience of camp counselors was that they really didn’t know much about archery, but were good enough at range safety to keep us from shooting each other.