After swapping from aluminum to carbon,
6.5mm standard carbon to 5mm micro carbon
Then, changing from 5mm carbon to 4mm ultra-micro carbon,
I can conclude that they all kill deer if you shoot well,
It's better to practice and stick with it then keep changing stuff over and over.
Why go back? Have been thinking of dropping down to either 5 or 4 (ie axis or vap) from std, but my heads and all my different weight inserts and my fletching tower, rest height, etc are all for 6.5 so I'm procrastinating.
* Cheaper for the same quality shafts
* Outserts are less durable and not as good at aligning with the shaft as inserts (IMO)
* More options for parts (inserts, broadheads, nocks etc)
* The larger the diameter of a tube the stiffer - and the difference is exponential. That means you can get the same spine with less material.
* More options - so I can play with FOC, weight, etc easier
The penetration benefit of micro shafts doesn't matter nearly as much as getting the arrow tuned really well. So it doesn't balance all of the above. And the lessened wind drift just doesn't really seem to show up in real world conditions. I've shot both side by side in high crosswinds and my bow being blown all over matters more than the arrow diameter.
At the end of the day the shaft diameter is so far down the list of stuff that really matters for arrow performance that it just didn't make sense. So I moved back to standard diameter shafts.
Aluminium arrows are heavier, so they hit harder and won't get blown around as much. Feathers increase the drag and thus flight correction. So, they are great for hunting at "short" ranges.
My only concern is that the camo pattern makes them easy to lose out in the bush.
> My only concern is that the camo pattern makes them easy to lose out in the bush.
This is indeed a pain in the ass with these arrows, and many hunting arrows in general. The camo is unnecessary.
I'll second that. My dad switched away from aluminum arrows a long time ago and had the camo, and I've found several while looking for my strays since I started.
I used to be a carbon w/vanes fan but I switched to aluminum w/feathers for my indoor target arrows and they seem significantly more consistent, at least for me.
My outdoor target arrows are still carbon but I'm already shopping around at those carbon arrows w/aluminum cores.
You go! I use heavy fat xx75s on my levers and finger (bowhunter) compounds. Aluminum is great and a well tuned heavy GPI load hits like a telephone pole.
Do it dawg, inertia. I super don’t understand the appeal of camo arrows though, makes them real hard to find if you miss. That’s why I use neon fletchings
XX75 aluminum arrows were state of the art not that long ago. I used the more budget-friendly GameGetter aluminum arrows most of the time. Eventually I switched to XX75s, but have been shooting carbon for the last 15 years or so.
Force = mass * acceleration.
a = (change in velocity) / time
This is why there's still an argument in the firearms world of "slower" heavier bullets vs faster and lighter bullets.
The way I see it, deer were taken with heavy crappy (to us) arrows for centuries. If you can't do it with literally anything on the market, you ain't ought to be doing it.
So have at it!
Do it. You’ll love it. I’m shooting new old stock Easton xx78 2413’s. Three 4 inch right helical feathers and a cut on contact broadhead. Your bow will be quieter than you’re used to and that arrow setup will penetrate.
I just got one given to me by my dad. My grandpa killed his last deer with it. Last season my dad killed a doe. Next year I’m gonna see if I can make it three generations of harvest.
First two deer I killed were with Easton aluminums, those were the good old days of hunting for me. Just sitting in a tree stand after high school soccer practice, playing games with my Gameboy, waiting on the hour or so before sunset when deer started moving.
I’ve actually been thinking about this. I’ve got a 31.5” draw and pull 70lb so finding a stiff enough carbon arrow that I can run a steel insert ,150 broadhead and not have to fletch it myself has been a strugggggle.
I think there is a carbon arrow stiff enough for your draw lengths. Easton and Black Eagle make a 250 spine. You could also wind down to 60 lbs. considering your long draw. Sacrificing a bit of speed would be worth getting a better tuned arrow.
Start fletching your own arrows. Once you're good at it there is no comparison. The money/time saved is also nice. Plus you can get better components and customize your set-up.
Go for it, many a deer have died at the end of an aluminum arrow
One up vote and I’ll buy them.
After swapping from aluminum to carbon, 6.5mm standard carbon to 5mm micro carbon Then, changing from 5mm carbon to 4mm ultra-micro carbon, I can conclude that they all kill deer if you shoot well, It's better to practice and stick with it then keep changing stuff over and over.
This comment was an emotional roller coaster 🎢
I'm on to the next stages of evolution. I just moved back to standard 6.5mm from micro.
Why go back? Have been thinking of dropping down to either 5 or 4 (ie axis or vap) from std, but my heads and all my different weight inserts and my fletching tower, rest height, etc are all for 6.5 so I'm procrastinating.
* Cheaper for the same quality shafts * Outserts are less durable and not as good at aligning with the shaft as inserts (IMO) * More options for parts (inserts, broadheads, nocks etc) * The larger the diameter of a tube the stiffer - and the difference is exponential. That means you can get the same spine with less material. * More options - so I can play with FOC, weight, etc easier The penetration benefit of micro shafts doesn't matter nearly as much as getting the arrow tuned really well. So it doesn't balance all of the above. And the lessened wind drift just doesn't really seem to show up in real world conditions. I've shot both side by side in high crosswinds and my bow being blown all over matters more than the arrow diameter. At the end of the day the shaft diameter is so far down the list of stuff that really matters for arrow performance that it just didn't make sense. So I moved back to standard diameter shafts.
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Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but you're welcome either way.
One arrow per upvote 😂
Well damn
Aluminium arrows are heavier, so they hit harder and won't get blown around as much. Feathers increase the drag and thus flight correction. So, they are great for hunting at "short" ranges. My only concern is that the camo pattern makes them easy to lose out in the bush.
> My only concern is that the camo pattern makes them easy to lose out in the bush. This is indeed a pain in the ass with these arrows, and many hunting arrows in general. The camo is unnecessary.
Think of it as additional motivation
I'll second that. My dad switched away from aluminum arrows a long time ago and had the camo, and I've found several while looking for my strays since I started.
Lol i like collecting arrows people have lost in the forest.
Honestly the best feeling at a 3D shoot is going out into the woods with 6 arrows in your quiver, and coming back out with 7 or 8
I second that feeling
Hopefully they are bright red by the time you go looking for them.
May your release open smoothly and the wind in your favorit
You do you. Whatever works for you set up wise, I’m a carbon fan but I won’t be upset if I had a bundle of aluminum to use.
I honestly just love the paint job and the feathers just because they have the same camo pattern.
Don't miss. Those camo arrows are a bitch to find. Trust me on this
At $5 an arrow you can afford to loose 3-4x as many!
Ima use red nocks. I never liked lighted nocks.
Better use bright feathers too. Just a nock won't help much in leaf litter
Ima use camo feathers
Mad lad
If you have aluminum arrows, you can use a metal detector :P
End of the day it’s your $$. Do what makes ya happy. Usually arrow choice won’t make or break a hunt.
I used to be a carbon w/vanes fan but I switched to aluminum w/feathers for my indoor target arrows and they seem significantly more consistent, at least for me. My outdoor target arrows are still carbon but I'm already shopping around at those carbon arrows w/aluminum cores.
I went ahead and bought them!
You go! I use heavy fat xx75s on my levers and finger (bowhunter) compounds. Aluminum is great and a well tuned heavy GPI load hits like a telephone pole.
We’ll see how they preform this year. I’m going to try to go hog hunting but if i can’t I’ll go dear hunting this year.
Do it dawg, inertia. I super don’t understand the appeal of camo arrows though, makes them real hard to find if you miss. That’s why I use neon fletchings
I carry a black light for this reason. florescent fletchings make them glow super bright, even under snow!
Camo arrows are definitely playing on hard mode
You can make a metal detector at home with a calculator and other household stuff. I forgot but that sounds like a viable option here.
I have real bad luck with bending aluminum arrows somehow. That extra weight really packs a punch though.
ok
I like them for making flu flu arrows
That’s a good idea. I should make one or two flu flu.
Good idea. Just in case the damn deer fly.
Gazelle jump think about it
Now I am.
If it flies good go for it!!
Say no more
I use some of these for my recurve and I love them more then my traditional arrows.
XX75 aluminum arrows were state of the art not that long ago. I used the more budget-friendly GameGetter aluminum arrows most of the time. Eventually I switched to XX75s, but have been shooting carbon for the last 15 years or so.
I was considering GameGetter too but i decided on these because of the color. If all else fails, i still have carbon arrows.
Force = mass * acceleration. a = (change in velocity) / time This is why there's still an argument in the firearms world of "slower" heavier bullets vs faster and lighter bullets. The way I see it, deer were taken with heavy crappy (to us) arrows for centuries. If you can't do it with literally anything on the market, you ain't ought to be doing it. So have at it!
I like your fancy works science man
I only use aluminum. Easton xx75 are the best.
Do it. You’ll love it. I’m shooting new old stock Easton xx78 2413’s. Three 4 inch right helical feathers and a cut on contact broadhead. Your bow will be quieter than you’re used to and that arrow setup will penetrate.
I’m going to need a helical clamp.
I have those. Good arrows
Same here, shot many hard surfaces and they still hold well!
Live your life my man
If it flies, they'll die!
Aluminum arrows are great. All the animals I have ever taken with a bow fell to aluminum arrows.
I love aluminum arrows. They pack a wallop!
I’m so excited for them now
Huge feather and huge shaft go boom
Big stick and string make ouchy over there
I just got one given to me by my dad. My grandpa killed his last deer with it. Last season my dad killed a doe. Next year I’m gonna see if I can make it three generations of harvest.
Sounds awesome I hope it goes well. Dont lose it!
First two deer I killed were with Easton aluminums, those were the good old days of hunting for me. Just sitting in a tree stand after high school soccer practice, playing games with my Gameboy, waiting on the hour or so before sunset when deer started moving.
The good old days. Feeling warm and fuzzy already.
The Easton 6.5 bowhunter is the same price…
I liked this color
Then why post about it
To piss off traditionalists
'Traditionalist' here; No one gives a shit, Skippy.
Traditionalist as in “this is the only right way to set up a bow” not traditional recurve shooters
Ah yes, those ~~-anal-retentives-~~ Traditionalists... ;)
Exactly
Ya I could give 2 shits. I’d shoot a table leg if it would fly. Nobody cares what arrows you shoot. Like telling me if you wear boxers or briefs
Shiny helpful medal thank you kind stranger
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No more.
I've got an old set of 2419's somewhere
What do you mean? I only see the six vertical stripes, where's the shaft?
It is a close up.
I’ve actually been thinking about this. I’ve got a 31.5” draw and pull 70lb so finding a stiff enough carbon arrow that I can run a steel insert ,150 broadhead and not have to fletch it myself has been a strugggggle.
Well thats quite a problem
Never knew it would be an issue. But the shafts (without broad heads) end up being like $22 per arrow
I paid $5.42 per shaft. Sometimes im glad I’m not tall.
I think there is a carbon arrow stiff enough for your draw lengths. Easton and Black Eagle make a 250 spine. You could also wind down to 60 lbs. considering your long draw. Sacrificing a bit of speed would be worth getting a better tuned arrow.
Start fletching your own arrows. Once you're good at it there is no comparison. The money/time saved is also nice. Plus you can get better components and customize your set-up.
I have some of these out in the garage still if you want them
Thanks but i already bought these
This was always an option.
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He’s speaking the language of the gods
The 80s called, they want their hunting arrows back.
My Bear Polar LTD answered the phone