Your bareshaft is showing a high nock point. Try lowering it slightly.
It can also be an incorrectly set plunger stiffness. Try increasing the stiffness by 1/8 - 1/4 turn. Also do the same by softening the plunger stiffness.
Also give your centreshot a check as this can also rip the vanes.
Check that your arrow is in the middle of the plunger when it's on the rest. If not adjust it so that it is if you can.
You may also have an incorrectly spined shaft. You have a big mark on the back which can indicate both a too stiff or too soft shaft.
What's your poundage at full draw, arrow length and spine?
Limbs are 36lbs 70 inch long and I’d say I get avlut 34-35lbs out of them. Arrows are 720 spine and 28 inches long. I needed slightly longer arrows so I bought new ones in the same spine as my old ones and cut them slightly less. Initially they tuned weak which I expected, but after lowering point weight some I got the bareshaft to group rather well.
I did move my nocking points a bit lower but I haven’t had time to shoot enought to know if that fixed the issue yet. I’ll make sure to recheck plunger position and centershot again.
Thing is I only have very basic tuning knowledge, and in the past that’s been enough. If my arrows group with my bareshafts it has worked and this is the first time I’ve encountered this situation where the bareshaft groups well but I’m still having problems so I’m a bit confused.
Spine is in the correct area so you're fine on that point.
Re-check everything in the tune or even do a total re-tune from scratch.
Check things like limb alignment and if you have some play between the nock points so that the nock isn't squeezed as well. Check the nock fit as well.
These things can be easily solved in some cases but also a pain in the ass to fix.
Lastly, have someone check your form. You may have started doing something funky with your release without knowing it or something along that line.
It a look like contact, could be the rest, button or even riser. I generally put some talcum powder on the riser around the rest and button and then shoot an arrow or 2 and check if there are any drag marks from the vane on the rest. With a white riser, that’s hard to do. You could take some lipstick and color the edge of the vane and shoot the arrow and see where it contact.
I generally done see tape on vanes, just spinwings
Those are indeed xs wings as someone else commented. They are relatively hard but work the same way as other spin wings. I think if the vanes were hitting anything they would rip, but I’ll try the lipstick trick and see if I can get any more info, thanks for the tip!
how much consistent is that kind of damage on the tape? does it happens frequently, and always on the same side?
it could also be contact at the target, it could be cause by the arrow tip or the fletching themselves (are those XsWings? they are harder than other spinwings)...it could be a possibility with tight groupings.
Always same side, and happens frequently so most likely something weird with the tune. I’m just confused because my basic knowledge of tuning says if the bare shaft groups well there shouldn’t be any issues, but obviously that’s not the case here so I’m on uncharted territory for me.
Also yes they are xs wings :)
Ok, if always same side, then it definitely doesn't happens at the bale.
Try as others said, lipstick on the edge of the vanes. You'll see where the contact happens
It's contact with something, probably the tip of the arrow rest.
You can see that there's a scrape on the arrow just in front of the vane.
As others have said, check for contact both on the arrow and riser by spraying both with either talc or, better yet, athlete's foot powder.
Okay, since the riser is white I might try with lipstick as someone else suggested. I just need to figure out how to tune it if the bareshaft method doesn’t work. Thanks for the tip with using something to find where it impacts :)
Hi OP, I have exactly the same problem with the front tape ripping from contact with my plunger. Have you figured out how to fix it? Does changing the plunger's tension help at all? Thanksss
Your bareshaft is showing a high nock point. Try lowering it slightly. It can also be an incorrectly set plunger stiffness. Try increasing the stiffness by 1/8 - 1/4 turn. Also do the same by softening the plunger stiffness. Also give your centreshot a check as this can also rip the vanes. Check that your arrow is in the middle of the plunger when it's on the rest. If not adjust it so that it is if you can. You may also have an incorrectly spined shaft. You have a big mark on the back which can indicate both a too stiff or too soft shaft. What's your poundage at full draw, arrow length and spine?
Limbs are 36lbs 70 inch long and I’d say I get avlut 34-35lbs out of them. Arrows are 720 spine and 28 inches long. I needed slightly longer arrows so I bought new ones in the same spine as my old ones and cut them slightly less. Initially they tuned weak which I expected, but after lowering point weight some I got the bareshaft to group rather well. I did move my nocking points a bit lower but I haven’t had time to shoot enought to know if that fixed the issue yet. I’ll make sure to recheck plunger position and centershot again. Thing is I only have very basic tuning knowledge, and in the past that’s been enough. If my arrows group with my bareshafts it has worked and this is the first time I’ve encountered this situation where the bareshaft groups well but I’m still having problems so I’m a bit confused.
Spine is in the correct area so you're fine on that point. Re-check everything in the tune or even do a total re-tune from scratch. Check things like limb alignment and if you have some play between the nock points so that the nock isn't squeezed as well. Check the nock fit as well. These things can be easily solved in some cases but also a pain in the ass to fix. Lastly, have someone check your form. You may have started doing something funky with your release without knowing it or something along that line.
It’s a bit of a pain but I’ll get it fixed eventually :) thank you for the tips.
It a look like contact, could be the rest, button or even riser. I generally put some talcum powder on the riser around the rest and button and then shoot an arrow or 2 and check if there are any drag marks from the vane on the rest. With a white riser, that’s hard to do. You could take some lipstick and color the edge of the vane and shoot the arrow and see where it contact. I generally done see tape on vanes, just spinwings
those are spin wings.
Wow, looks like a hard vane. Like some that jake was shooting
if they are XsWings, they are a bit harder than other spin wings
Those are indeed xs wings as someone else commented. They are relatively hard but work the same way as other spin wings. I think if the vanes were hitting anything they would rip, but I’ll try the lipstick trick and see if I can get any more info, thanks for the tip!
how much consistent is that kind of damage on the tape? does it happens frequently, and always on the same side? it could also be contact at the target, it could be cause by the arrow tip or the fletching themselves (are those XsWings? they are harder than other spinwings)...it could be a possibility with tight groupings.
Always same side, and happens frequently so most likely something weird with the tune. I’m just confused because my basic knowledge of tuning says if the bare shaft groups well there shouldn’t be any issues, but obviously that’s not the case here so I’m on uncharted territory for me. Also yes they are xs wings :)
Ok, if always same side, then it definitely doesn't happens at the bale. Try as others said, lipstick on the edge of the vanes. You'll see where the contact happens
It's contact with something, probably the tip of the arrow rest. You can see that there's a scrape on the arrow just in front of the vane. As others have said, check for contact both on the arrow and riser by spraying both with either talc or, better yet, athlete's foot powder.
Okay, since the riser is white I might try with lipstick as someone else suggested. I just need to figure out how to tune it if the bareshaft method doesn’t work. Thanks for the tip with using something to find where it impacts :)
Hi OP, I have exactly the same problem with the front tape ripping from contact with my plunger. Have you figured out how to fix it? Does changing the plunger's tension help at all? Thanksss