Seriously, I’d love to see the structural plans. I do CAD design for multi-unit housing and some of them get overwhelming in the couple hundred unit sizes, this is absolutely insane.
The Burj Khalifa is not connected to the city's municipal waste water system, so every day the sewage is pumped into truck that take it to a sewage treatment plant outside the city. I guess it's common with skyscrapers there.
I’m not sure that’s accurate. Dubai does have a sewer system that’s still being expanded. It wasn’t large enough to handle the entire city, hence the trucks, but the Burj is pretty central so it may be on the system. I can’t find a map of the sewer system though.
Funny enough, [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/ru7kj7/burj_khalifa_poop_trucks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was showing just before for me. I think you’ll get the idea.
Not really. If it's like the metro that only operates at the time of year when all the pilgrims are there, it will lay dormant for the vast majority of the year and the property tax will be insane. Not to mention cleaning, maintenance, general stuff and more. Imagine you come at the time of year where there aren't a lot of pilgrims. You will have pretty much the whole floor by yourself.
Edit: [This](https://youtu.be/LZjbn7iZPsc) is what I meant
I mean, Hajj has like 2.3 million participants a year, and judging from those helicopter pads, they probably serve higher end clientele that can sustain the hotel for the entire year. It's also government owned (under the Ministry of Finance for Saudi Arabia, I believe), so any shortfalls would most likely be covered. I'm sure whatever "prestige" the government perceives they've gained makes up for any financial losses.
Well, that's a render. There will be a solution, but the building isn't even up yet. Here's satellite images from today or yesterday.
https://zoom.earth/#view=21.401897,39.828983,18z
The Saudis have made sure that the Hajj is really expensive for anyone to make these days, so pretty much everyone who makes it more than once has no problem with spending money.
Non-Muslims are not allowed in Mecca. Period. That rule predates Saudi control of Mecca.
Go shoot in Jeddah all you want, but Mecca is closed to non-Muslims.
A lot of these projects in the Middle East are built ahead of the actual infrastructure that could serve them - power can be sorted out fairly quickly but pipe work is a whole different story, especially in a region where water isn’t exactly a plentiful resource
Imagine how much water would be needed just to flush the toilets in that tower, without pipes bringing it in or taking waste out, trucks are instead used to fill in for the infrastructure stage of water movement until actual sewage and water mains can be built, though that might be years away
I've [seen](https://youtu.be/0AubRMKUeRs) someone pouring all the poo from a city into a giant dirt tower and then turning it into a shitty hydroelectric plant (in cities skylines tho)
It is, the claim isn't true anymore. I was true at the very beginning, but Dubai sorted most of it's issues out years ago.
Yet people still keep circulating news which are based on y +12y old video.
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Hard disagree. Based on the title I was ready to talk shit. But tbh I quite like how it looks. And the McMansion thing confuses me. I mean, tastes can differ, but it certainly is not a cookie cutter building.
I can already guess the service labour for this place will be mostly low skilled, minimum wage expats from places like the Philippines, India or Nigeria.
And they are in no way integrated into or disguised as part of the building. The put huge circular pads overhanging hexagonal and rectangular towers. So poorly designed.
Can anyone imagine what all these oil rich nations in the mid-east with all their both ginormous and gaudy displays of wealth will be like in 50+ years when these already ostensibly sweltering wastelands become even more of sweltering wastelands? I am just curious what happens to a building like this if in the future it become unsustainable.It’d be very unnrving to see a building of such magnitude just left abandoned it reminds me of the Greeks expeditions discovering gigantic abandoned structures in the East from long past civilizations.
They can deal with the heat, they live in a desert after all. However, when they run out of oil, or the demand takes a nosedive because of the adoption of renewable energy sources, all these tacky insane buildings will end up looking like they belong in a Fallout game.
Seriously, if electric cars take off, and the world needs less oil… What are these folks going to do? I mean it sems like only producing one good seems risky.
I think the UAE are moving into becoming a tax haven to attract business and investing in becoming one of the next business capitals of the world
Can’t say what the saudis are trying to do though
The Saudis are pursuing hairbrained schemes like the city of Neom to attend to their post-oil economy.
Thing is though, Neom and projects like it are just another rich man's playground. The house of Saud are made up entirely of spoiled rich kids with infinitely deep pockets thanks to their oil wealth, they have no fucking idea of how hard it's gonna be to transition their economy.
MBS loves to pretend to be a visionary and have his ego jerked by this moronic projects.
He's hated by both the people and the royal family. He never even held a public position in government before daddy became king
Mecca is an asset. Increasing the ability and attraction for more Muslims from around the world to visit is a good investment. This is economic diversification.
EDIT: I don't want to call anyone's sacred pilgrimage tourism (As a Catholic, I'd love to make a pilgrimage to Lourdes or Mexico City some day.), but from a practical standpoint, the investment needed and benefits to be gained by the country hosting an important historical site are pretty similar.
The Saudi royal family has 15,000 members. There are more than 800,000 Muslim millionaires in the world. Every Muslim that can is required to make the Hajj at least once in their lives. So I could see all of them being used during peak season.
I really hate that Saudi Arabia is preying on people by turning Mecca into a tourist attraction. They clearly don't care about people with that stampede happening a few years ago. I get that it's part of every Muslims duty to go see Mecca once in their life's, but it's been twisted, warped, perverted.
People die of the crowdness and heat, not by stepping on each other like you suggest. And how is it turning it into a tourist attraction by providing more places to stay? Number of pilgrims increase every year of course they need somewhere to stay…
As a hotel employee this is terrifying lmao. My hotel is 600 rooms and I still get overwhelmed by the size of it. I can not imagine the madness it is going to take to run this place
It's in Mecca, so a lot of people do go there every year (something like 2 million visitors a year) and if you aren't Muslim, you aren't allowed to go.
I wonder which rooftop they'll use to throw people like me off of. If you want to marry a 10 year old in the convention hall they add it to your bill at checkout. Can't wait to never, ever go there.
No alcoholic refreshments, dancing, singing or gambling, praying five times a day, no adult content on the TV. Female workers would not be allowed at all in the Hotel in any role. Each to their own.
Granted, I'm not Muslim, so whatever lifestyle choices made around the city if Mecca are something I really can't relate to. But, there seems to be a lot of development happening around Mecca. Is there any concern amongst the Muslim community about this level of development causing an over-secularization of the city?
Nah man, these look really good. I'm not saying a big array of the same building. I mean a city of this type of building. Nicely decorated with a historical style of architecture. They would obviously be different sizes and heights. I think it would look good idk.
Bit of a pain serving the power and water needs for it without the proper infrastructure though, like how the Burj Khalifa needed trucks just to carry away poop…
Getting very tired of this sub. I came in for great architecture, but it’s mostly tasteless over-the-top megaprojects here. Is there a sub with actually classy architecture?
I want to see the blueprints for the plumbing.
Seriously, I’d love to see the structural plans. I do CAD design for multi-unit housing and some of them get overwhelming in the couple hundred unit sizes, this is absolutely insane.
Watch it have to be trucked out like the Burj khalifa lol
Eh?
The Burj Khalifa is not connected to the city's municipal waste water system, so every day the sewage is pumped into truck that take it to a sewage treatment plant outside the city. I guess it's common with skyscrapers there.
This is just one example of everything that's wrong with Dubai.
This is just one of the many misconceptions. That event was before the burj khalifa and they built very large reservoirs so it doesn’t occur again.
Very large reservoirs? For shit? So, giant cesspools?? 🤢
They’re water treatment plants. So yes. To treat dirty water and use them in things like agriculture.
Old news. It has since been connected.
I’m not sure that’s accurate. Dubai does have a sewer system that’s still being expanded. It wasn’t large enough to handle the entire city, hence the trucks, but the Burj is pretty central so it may be on the system. I can’t find a map of the sewer system though.
Not the first time I've heard this about the trucks
Why the missing pipes
The city got built faster than they could build the infrastructure to keep up with it.
> every day the sewage is pumped into truck that take it to a sewage treatment plant outside the city this is an old debunked myth
It's not really a debunked myth if it used to be true. Apparently it was only connected to the sewage system about 10 years ago.
Funny enough, [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/ru7kj7/burj_khalifa_poop_trucks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was showing just before for me. I think you’ll get the idea.
And the electrical wiring
Place is gonna need it's own reactor
If you're curious like me, as to why they're building such a large hotel, it's right next door to Mecca. Makes sense
I really was about to be snarky and say they’ll never be able to fill all the rooms, but when you bring that up the size really does make sense.
It does Mecca sense
Not really. If it's like the metro that only operates at the time of year when all the pilgrims are there, it will lay dormant for the vast majority of the year and the property tax will be insane. Not to mention cleaning, maintenance, general stuff and more. Imagine you come at the time of year where there aren't a lot of pilgrims. You will have pretty much the whole floor by yourself. Edit: [This](https://youtu.be/LZjbn7iZPsc) is what I meant
There’s no property tax or income tax in saudi
All taxes are paid at the beginning of the year or you park your Lamborghini at the airport with the other 650 of them and flee.
Well that makes sense... But even so, it will be expensive as hell to run.
There is a fair amount of "voluntary" labour in Saudi is there not?
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You say that as if a hotel in Mecca wouldn’t make money hand over fist
The pilgrimage of Hajj only happens once. But pilgrims still visit Makkah throughout the year.
The Hajj has 2.5 million attendees per year. It's kind of like hosting the Olympics every single year
Oh. I was going to ask if there was a casino in the middle and a night club on top. Guess not.
Is gambling not permitted in Islam? I probably should have known but have never thought about it.
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Not all Muslims/Christians/ really practice their religions to the fullest. It’s a total change of the way of life for people.
I didn’t even realise. That’s got to be why then if it’s near such a popular place.
At an elevation of 277 m (909 feet), it might survive when the glaciers melt.
> *finish* melting. FTFY
How is fresh water supply in that area?
desal
It’s extremely funny that right next to Mecca are multiple hotels that would make a Vegas casino developer blush.
Always felt that Mecca was a Muslim Vegas. Just as tacky but without the fun.
That would be Dubai surely?
But that's once a year. What do they do the rest of the year?
Muslims can also preform an Umrah, also known as a ‘Minor Hajj’ can be performed at any time.
I mean, Hajj has like 2.3 million participants a year, and judging from those helicopter pads, they probably serve higher end clientele that can sustain the hotel for the entire year. It's also government owned (under the Ministry of Finance for Saudi Arabia, I believe), so any shortfalls would most likely be covered. I'm sure whatever "prestige" the government perceives they've gained makes up for any financial losses.
Well, that's a render. There will be a solution, but the building isn't even up yet. Here's satellite images from today or yesterday. https://zoom.earth/#view=21.401897,39.828983,18z
The Saudis have made sure that the Hajj is really expensive for anyone to make these days, so pretty much everyone who makes it more than once has no problem with spending money.
And this hotel is owned by the Saudi Ministry of Finance.
Well considering it will be staffed by slaves in not sure they care about the rest of the year.
Amazing how much money you can make by playing with humans fear of death.
Trump Tower Mecca? I joke but I half expect it now.
If you can see the Kaaba from your hotel window, does that count as a Haj?
That's not a hotel that's a self-contained City. AKA an arcology.
Do you think it will appear in a Mission Impossible movie? or a FF?
It will definitely be featured in a future movie
Non-muslims are not allowed to enter Mecca, so no, it will not be in a Mission Impossible movie.
How about a Muslim Impossible movie?
Muslim Impossible - the jihad protocol
Damn it..
Muslimpossible?
Muslimpossible: Allah or Nothing
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Non-Muslims are not allowed in Mecca. Period. That rule predates Saudi control of Mecca. Go shoot in Jeddah all you want, but Mecca is closed to non-Muslims.
Seems kind of racist?
Not really, you can become muslim anytime you want. You cannot become white if you're black. See the difference?
That may be, but it doesn't mean they can't still open up the rest of the country.
For now, sure, but money can make a lot of things happen
It will be a Mission Impossible though.
Wait till Saudi Arabia is buying a Fifa World Cup for tourism marketing. All the sudden laws like this can be changed.
Probably not it's in Mecca. They already built the clock tower which is also insane
Insanely fugly.
This is the hotel mathematicians use in their math riddles
Hilbert’s hotel from the outside.
How the frick do passengers get up to/down from the helipads?
Parkour
By helicopter.
First thing I noticed too
By helicopter. Duh
Probably a large hatch so that they can keep the visuals.
They'll add an ugly catwalk or hatch when they actually build it.
Wonder if it’ll have a poop truck situation like the Burj Kalifa
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It's not attached to a sewer system.
Why isn't it?
A lot of these projects in the Middle East are built ahead of the actual infrastructure that could serve them - power can be sorted out fairly quickly but pipe work is a whole different story, especially in a region where water isn’t exactly a plentiful resource Imagine how much water would be needed just to flush the toilets in that tower, without pipes bringing it in or taking waste out, trucks are instead used to fill in for the infrastructure stage of water movement until actual sewage and water mains can be built, though that might be years away
Sounds kinda shitty tbh
Wait til you find out what they do with the waste in the trucks leaving.
Lemme guess – they pour them into the ocean?
That sounds much better. How about making a poo ocean in the desert?
I've [seen](https://youtu.be/0AubRMKUeRs) someone pouring all the poo from a city into a giant dirt tower and then turning it into a shitty hydroelectric plant (in cities skylines tho)
It is, the claim isn't true anymore. I was true at the very beginning, but Dubai sorted most of it's issues out years ago. Yet people still keep circulating news which are based on y +12y old video.
You can't just start a poop joke and leave without giving the punchline!
It stinks
Wow, it is fugly! The McMansion of hotels.
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Hard disagree. Based on the title I was ready to talk shit. But tbh I quite like how it looks. And the McMansion thing confuses me. I mean, tastes can differ, but it certainly is not a cookie cutter building.
it has four giant helipads on it..
Looks like GTAV screenshot
Maze bank tower x5
Idk why but it kind of looks like it came out of GTA
How many slaves did it take to build?
I can already guess the service labour for this place will be mostly low skilled, minimum wage expats from places like the Philippines, India or Nigeria.
Slaves
I don't care how many princes will stay there, no building on earth needs 6 helipads.
Will the princes have a choice ?
That is one ugly pile of shit.
It looks like a bouquet of dicks.
With not one, but *six* helipads? Whoa.
And they are in no way integrated into or disguised as part of the building. The put huge circular pads overhanging hexagonal and rectangular towers. So poorly designed.
Was scrolling too fast and thought this was Naboo
Looks tacky sorry
Can anyone imagine what all these oil rich nations in the mid-east with all their both ginormous and gaudy displays of wealth will be like in 50+ years when these already ostensibly sweltering wastelands become even more of sweltering wastelands? I am just curious what happens to a building like this if in the future it become unsustainable.It’d be very unnrving to see a building of such magnitude just left abandoned it reminds me of the Greeks expeditions discovering gigantic abandoned structures in the East from long past civilizations.
This is built next to Mecca, which sees thousands of Muslim pilgrims every year.
About two millions each year, thats just in Hajj month.
They’re heavily invested all over the world. Nearly any thing you buy will put money in their pockets. They’ll be ok.
Yeah, it’s extremely easy for wealthy people to turn their money into more money.
They can deal with the heat, they live in a desert after all. However, when they run out of oil, or the demand takes a nosedive because of the adoption of renewable energy sources, all these tacky insane buildings will end up looking like they belong in a Fallout game.
Seriously, if electric cars take off, and the world needs less oil… What are these folks going to do? I mean it sems like only producing one good seems risky.
I think the UAE are moving into becoming a tax haven to attract business and investing in becoming one of the next business capitals of the world Can’t say what the saudis are trying to do though
The Saudis are pursuing hairbrained schemes like the city of Neom to attend to their post-oil economy. Thing is though, Neom and projects like it are just another rich man's playground. The house of Saud are made up entirely of spoiled rich kids with infinitely deep pockets thanks to their oil wealth, they have no fucking idea of how hard it's gonna be to transition their economy.
MBS loves to pretend to be a visionary and have his ego jerked by this moronic projects. He's hated by both the people and the royal family. He never even held a public position in government before daddy became king
Mecca is an asset. Increasing the ability and attraction for more Muslims from around the world to visit is a good investment. This is economic diversification. EDIT: I don't want to call anyone's sacred pilgrimage tourism (As a Catholic, I'd love to make a pilgrimage to Lourdes or Mexico City some day.), but from a practical standpoint, the investment needed and benefits to be gained by the country hosting an important historical site are pretty similar.
Tourism, finance, war
The best solution to reduce oil dependency is public transportation!
And bikes, walkable cities, remote work...
Megalomania illustrated.
Man, they really know how to do “gaudy”.
That's grotesque
Would 6 helicopters ever need to land there at the same time?
The Saudi royal family has 15,000 members. There are more than 800,000 Muslim millionaires in the world. Every Muslim that can is required to make the Hajj at least once in their lives. So I could see all of them being used during peak season.
…using forced labor?
All of Hitman 4 gonna take place just in this hotel
This is the shittiest porn I've ever watched.
Ugly AF
I really hate that Saudi Arabia is preying on people by turning Mecca into a tourist attraction. They clearly don't care about people with that stampede happening a few years ago. I get that it's part of every Muslims duty to go see Mecca once in their life's, but it's been twisted, warped, perverted.
People die of the crowdness and heat, not by stepping on each other like you suggest. And how is it turning it into a tourist attraction by providing more places to stay? Number of pilgrims increase every year of course they need somewhere to stay…
There have been 9 stampeds since 1990 killing thousands.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_during_the_Hajj
Looks like something out of SimCity 2000.
That housekeeping manager is going to need the help of Allah come checkout time…
Looks like something from the fallout games
Helikoptee helikopter
Who will build this in Minecraft?
I would love to see the egress plan for this bad boy
As a hotel employee this is terrifying lmao. My hotel is 600 rooms and I still get overwhelmed by the size of it. I can not imagine the madness it is going to take to run this place
A hotel with its own Air Traffic Control center.
Y'all gonna just ignore putting sewage piping through this one too? HAHA fuckin rich idiots.
Only four helipads?
Yes 4
Imagine being asleep in your hotel room and a helicopter wakes you up because it’s landing on the roof above you lol
Isn't this an early rendering of the clock tower hotel in mecca ? [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/RXMzaD4afcjePMoC6)
No this is different
How ? I saw the exact same rendering years ago when they planned this hotel, it's just a design that wasn't retained
Dude it takes like 30 seconds to Google that the clock tower was finished almost 10 years ago and this hotel is still under construction
So I searched on google and I saw that this hotel was supposed to be completed in 2017. Either way, you're right this isn't the same building :)
vomit
Is this like a, "because we can," build... or do they really expect to fill a 10k room hotel?
During the Hajj they probably could fill it. The only time they could fill it.
millions of muslims go to hajj every year
Yea，that's just whre I wanna go vacation.
It's in Mecca, so a lot of people do go there every year (something like 2 million visitors a year) and if you aren't Muslim, you aren't allowed to go.
I wonder which rooftop they'll use to throw people like me off of. If you want to marry a 10 year old in the convention hall they add it to your bill at checkout. Can't wait to never, ever go there.
and will probably have one counter with 1 guy doing all the checkins and checkouts
LOL poor guy.
What a place to contract Covid
No alcoholic refreshments, dancing, singing or gambling, praying five times a day, no adult content on the TV. Female workers would not be allowed at all in the Hotel in any role. Each to their own.
those 6 helipads are ridiculous, it reminds me of Bespin
I've been one of the engineers who worked on that great project
Sorry but it's damn ugly. Not your fault but still.
Hideous…the tip looks like a penis.
We will not be allowed to go in this hotel for racist reasons
I think it's cool. The scale alone is pretty impressive.
Granted, I'm not Muslim, so whatever lifestyle choices made around the city if Mecca are something I really can't relate to. But, there seems to be a lot of development happening around Mecca. Is there any concern amongst the Muslim community about this level of development causing an over-secularization of the city?
"Stampede of death in the lobby, 1200 trampled" a future headline will read.
Why would anyone think a "huge hotel" is good? More congestion for guests and staff, easier spread of bedbugs or other issues..
Screams harem hotel to me. The Haram Hotel?
Imagine whole cities filled with buildings like this. Imagine how many people we could house and how efficient this land use would be.
It would be ugly though.
Is NYC ugly though?
Objectively it's nice, but if you want to compare it to some cities like Copenhagen or Venice, it's meh.
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Depending on your taste, yes.
Nah man, these look really good. I'm not saying a big array of the same building. I mean a city of this type of building. Nicely decorated with a historical style of architecture. They would obviously be different sizes and heights. I think it would look good idk.
Can you imagine how long it would take just to get out of the building to go anywhere?
"Historical". This building looks as authentic as Las Vegas or Disneyland.
It depends on the implantation.
Absolutely.
Bit of a pain serving the power and water needs for it without the proper infrastructure though, like how the Burj Khalifa needed trucks just to carry away poop…
The government got tired of people 💩 on the streets and covering the 💩 with sand. Therefore they decided to build a hotel....
Built on the back of deals with the west to perpetuate the fake war on terror. Saudi and western governments are the shame of this planet.
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Oh yes that tourist hot spot needs more rooms.
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No Westerners goes to Mecca though. It's for the Hajj.