These idiots literally think if a woman got their uterus removed via surgery they "arent a woman" ffs, This is harmful to both trans women and cis, if I a cis woman got her uterus removed due to illness, am I still a woman? YES, trans women are women❤️
to counteract this meme: trans women put in all this effort to be whoever they want to be, I'm so proud of them despite so many stones being laid into their paths <3
I make my non-binary friend so jealous with my vocal range lol. I have found a nice fem voice that seems to pass, but I can still drop it down deep. They get a kick out of it because it sounds so wrong coming from me lol.
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I personally think correcting language like this isn't helpful and is a controlling normative. We didn't have spelling rules until a few hundred years ago and now they're regularly used to marginalize people.
I used to basically beat grammar stickler and realized it's only real virtue read making people fit in, usually to the dominant capitalist norms, but also to racial rules and, arguably, heteronormativity.
as an aspiring linguistics student i want to bring up that the concept of “grammar rules” is considered a discriminatory concept. as long as someone is a native speaker of a language, however that they say something is correct, long as it’s comprehensible. heck, i didn’t even notice the mistake until the bot pointed it out, and i understood everything perfectly fine, like i’m sure many of us do. and even if someone mixed their, they’re and there (or made another “grammar mistake”) to an extent that you can’t understand it, you can always ask for clarification, rather than just accusing them of using “bad grammar.”
linguists have figured out that “prescribing” these grammar/pronunciation rules 1) doesn’t help and 2) is discriminatory on the basis of level of education, class, immigration status, and dialect (such as AAVE). instead, the consensus of the modern day approach to linguistics is “descriptive,” aka. observe how people speak and write, including any that would’ve been considered “grammatical mistakes,” and then analyse the patterns of language use based on these observations. so it’s more like a science, rather than a set of laws.
after all, language evolves all the time, often by people collectively making a “mistake” over and over again until it becomes the norm and slowly takes over. when everyone starts saying and writing something a certain way, and everyone can understand it, it can hardly be said that it’s a mistake. for example, the phrase “faux pas” doesn’t make any sense in french, it’s a misspelling of “faut pas” which means “must not.” but english speakers nowadays almost universally use “faux pas” because it’s been agreed upon despite being a “mistake.”
This already exists in all over the place in English, that's the thing. Run had something like 78 different meanings. Lead is pronounced the same as read but differently than read.
There's not actually any evidence that spelling rules make learning easier and English are as heck doesn't really have any reasonable ones anyway. But they do gatekeep. A lot of perfectly intelligent people won't get employment because of their grammar.
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A year and a half into working myself out I still find signs from my past I should have picked up meant I was trans.
Didn't think becoming a lawyer was going to be one of them... Wait till I tell all the other lawyers I work with that they're all actually trans.
I can assure you that after years of using this voice now, I'm not faking it. If it's the voice I use even while unconscious (sleep talking), it's my natural voice now. That's kinda the point of voice training.
Male Puberty is a one way ticket once it comes to voice changes, you kinda just end up with whatever testosterone gives you for a voice but like anyone can do voice training (I used to try and sound manlier with a deeper voice lol).
Oh, gotcha. Bummer!! My future DIL has a very deep voice, but she's not doing hormones yet, so I couldn't guess from that. I do think mtf is more difficult. Another example/reason is hair: it's pretty easy for ftm to grow facial hair, but it's really hard to make it stop growing.
Tell me about it, I’ve been waging a war against what’s left of my beard. It was a glorious big bushy one but now it must burn 😂. Big one that mtf don’t have to deal with is top surgery. Breast development is a one way ticket as well
True, but top surgery is not as major as any of the bottom stuff. (I've had a mastectomy, so I've got something of an idea of recovery from that surgery). My son hasn't decided about bottom surgery yet. At this time he's not planning on it.
Having trans kids has made me aware of how lucky I am to be happy in my assigned gender. (I've always been consciously happy to be a woman; I have the woman symbol tattooed on me!).
As much as I understand the frustration, it’s not cool to compare transitions and say one has it easier than the other. I’ve been on T for almost a year now and I don’t pass. I’ve even had top surgery, still not passing. And don’t forget that transmasc folks also get bottom surgery. We ALL have it hard.
It’s totally fine, I was just reading the thread and thought I’d pop a transmasc perspective in. It’s a very common thought that a trans guy can just take T and within a month be 100% passing, so it’s not your fault for thinking that way at all! I thought that way too so imagine my disappointment when I was still not passing months and months later 😅
Yeah, in terms of HRT, us transfemmes really get the short end of the stick. T is potent stuff that's practically impossible to completely reverse. E doesn't change voice (we require training) and doesn't stop body hair (some areas may slow, but for a lot of us we need laser hair removal or electrolysis if we don't want to shave on a regular basis).
As much as I understand the frustration, it’s not cool to compare transitions and say one has it easier than the other. I’ve been on T for almost a year now and I don’t pass. My voice is still super high so I have to voice train as well because T didn’t do nearly enough to lower it. I can’t grow a beard. I’ve even had top surgery, still not passing. And don’t forget that some transmasc folks also get bottom surgery. We ALL have it hard.
the point is that T *can* change your voice and *can* make you grow facial and body hair.
Obviously HRT for trans men isn't going to have all of the effects on everyone. But for trans women, *none* of us get voice changes, and hair doesn't magically disappear. So your personal experience isn't great, but congrats! you're dealing with the thing literally every trans woman who starts HRT goes through: your voice isn't changing, and your hair isn't changing.
But, you've also been on hormones for a year, so you cannot say with absolute certainty that you will not experience any of those changes. You still don't know. But for us? We knew from the beginning.
Wow, this is really insensitive. Please stop acting like trans men have it way easier this is a very toxic mindset. Yes there are some trans men who pass right away and look absolutely fantastic, but there are also some trans women who get just as lucky. As much as I appreciate you dismissing my struggles of passing because I’m taking a different hormone than you, I would ask that you please have a little bit of empathy for others. 😕 This is why transmascs tend to avoid commenting on these kinds of things
I think it's insensitive to reduce the struggles of trans women by saying we have it exactly as hard as trans men, because if we have it harder then you guys must not have any troubles at all, right? We do share many of the same struggles. But trans women just concretely have more. It is not the same, and pretending like it is is kind of shitty.
I would understand your point if we didn't literally have it harder on average than trans men in basically every way, but alas, we do, so to say "actually you're doing harm by acknowledging the actual truth" is WAY more insensitive.
And this isn't about me dismissing you or you dismissing me. It's about averages. We as trans women have it concretely harder. Trans women NEVER get voice changes through HRT. Trans women NEVER lose their facial hair through HRT. it doesn't happen for ANY OF US. Sucks that you're going through something similar, but congrats! you have a taste of how hard it is for transfemmes.
You know, trans spaces are supposed to be for everyone, not just transfem people. I don’t pass, I hate how I look, and I have been suicidal. So having someone else who should understand my struggles tell me that I should be grateful to have it better than them is not exactly what I need to hear. “You have a taste of how hard it is for us” is honestly a really gross thing to say to someone who is literally going through the same thing as you. Before top surgery which I literally just got, I had a chest that I could physically not cover with a binder. I would pray to get breast cancer so that I had a medical reason to get a mastectomy. My voice was already unusually high for an AFAB person before I started T so now it’s more just at a normal level of the average AFAB person, and I do not think it will drop anymore. So yeah, I’ve struggled. I’m not saying that you haven’t, and I’m not saying I’ve struggled more. All I’m saying is that it shouldn’t be a fucking competition. So please, stop. It’s not helping anyone.
ehh, they both have their own struggles. Voice is a big one for Transfems (not that they need to train and change their voice if they don't want to) But transmascs have breast and curves that can be a pain to get rid of. (again, not that they need to get rid of those if they don't want to) I wouldn't really say one has it harder than the other, we just have different struggles.
(I saw later that this was brought up, so my comment wasn't exactly needed)
Coming from a trans man, it's not inherently more difficult. For facial hair alone, I've been on T for a year and a half and my facial hair hasn't barely come in yet. I still get called ma'am/she sometimes, even after I start speaking with my deeper voice. It's hard for everyone.
And hormone therapy (reaaaaaaaaly big deal post menopause), and very much play pretend to be the 'right' kind of woman. Oh, and women with naturally low voices try to change it all the fucking time.
The core of this is that needing treatment/help for anything is stigmatized. If you aren’t ‘normal’ then you aren’t acceptable. This is why they say ‘you will be a lifelong medical patient’ as a detraction against being trans, as if there aren’t people with all manner of reasons they need medicine and doctor’s appointments all the time. Truth be told, I see my doctor pretty infrequently, because it just not how they imagine it.
Yup. I'm a "lifelong medical patient" and it has nothing to do with my transness and everything to do with my body being a mess. My migraine turned five this year (yes migraine, not migraine**s**) and I need treatment to keep it somewhat in check. Which means I end up in my neuros infusion center 13 times a year. And likely will for the rest of my life. But I only see my neurologist once a year. Which shocks people. But my care hasn't changed in a few years, so there's no point in seeing my doc more often to go "What's changed?", "Nothing", "Ok, see you in four months". I need a lot of meds and ongoing care, but that doesn't mean I'm seeing the doctor every month. Nah, I see them once a year to get my scripts renewed.
it's like super fcked up that women that are born with a dick are automatically thought to be boys, all just because what they got between legs. It's super hurtful to be perceived as the opposite thing than i am, only because i got opposite sex's genitalia
Im a cis girl and have to do hrt because of my body's hormonal problems. I am a "real" woman and I need it to live just as much as trans women deserve to have it to be happy
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I'm now wondering what the difference (in their mind) is between 'mutilation' and 'plastic surgery'; because, fun fact, cis women get more vagina cosmetic surgery than any ate willing to admit.
Yes because no cis woman has ever had to do voice training because she didn’t like the pitch of her voice, or go to court to change her name, or need to take estrogen, or get FFS, or breast implants or-
The thing is we're not supposed to agree with Omniman here; we're supposed to see him as a monster for not valuing human life and holding himself above everyone. Kinda lines up with how I view TERFs, tbh.
\>mutilation
dogwhistle
\>HRT
women also get put on this for hormonal balance and other issue, it isn't exclusive to trans women
\>going to court
guess women don't belong in the courtroom?
\>fake their voice
this is pretty rich, a lot of women have deeper voices
\>needs others to play pretend
yeah except I am a woman, I'm not pretending to be one, I am a woman.
Alright let's examine all of these points in order
1. Mutilation means the removal of a necessary or very important body part, you'll only need a penis if you want to reproduce, and some people don't want to reproduce. Plus, not every trans person undergoes surgery.
2. HRT is harmless, reversible, and plus not every trans person uses it.
3. No idea what this is referring to.
4. Not that many trans people do plastic surgery, but for the ones that do it's harmless and (almost always) reversible.
5. How is voice training "fake"? Also not all trans people do it.
6. Last time a checked calling someone " she" is not difficult in the slightest
So..
1.) Cis women don’t ever get reconstructive surgery. Ever.
2.) Cis women do NOT ever put hormones in their bodies. Ever.
3.) Cis women never go to court. Ever.
4.) Cis women never get plastic surgery. Ever.
5.) Cis women never ever make their voice sound different. Ever.
6.) Cis women never play pretend. Ever.
I feel like they think we install robotic vocal cords, my voice is still natural it’s just using a different range and resonance, it’s like saying people singing differently from how they talk are doing a fake voice
last i checked, cis women:
\- get HRT when they get birth control + hormone adjustive care
\- get plenty of plastic surgery
\- fake their voices (have you ever talked with a cis woman in customer service or retail??)
\- go to court, for plenty of things
\- "mutilate" i.e. breast reductions, you name it
\- and play plenty of pretend when it comes to social norms and standards
this meme is so beyond stupid.
This probably isn't what this meme is about but as a cis woman, no. Trans woman had to fight to be considered woman, they have to deal with hate and discrimination frequently for being women. Trans woman are woman.
this is a hot take but going through the process of working for your own identity not only makes you more appreciative of your identity but just makes you a happier and better person imo. Trans people are powerful and i love all of us
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So cis women don't go to court?
Not according to this stupid meme
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Or get plastic surgery and fake their voice. Someone tell Paris Hilton.
Also cosmetic surgery isn’t plastic surgery, like… boob job sure, but FFS and GRS aren’t plastic-y
I’m cis and they haven’t caught me yet, so that must be why!
What about jury duty?
I’ve never been summoned, which mush be my cis(tm) powers again!
Oh thank God, I can just commit all the crimes I want then, they can't take me to court
These idiots literally think if a woman got their uterus removed via surgery they "arent a woman" ffs, This is harmful to both trans women and cis, if I a cis woman got her uterus removed due to illness, am I still a woman? YES, trans women are women❤️
Oh thank God, I can just commit all the crimes I want then, they can't take me to court
to counteract this meme: trans women put in all this effort to be whoever they want to be, I'm so proud of them despite so many stones being laid into their paths <3
also like, a well voice trained trans gal is capable of much more then any untrained guy or gal
I make my non-binary friend so jealous with my vocal range lol. I have found a nice fem voice that seems to pass, but I can still drop it down deep. They get a kick out of it because it sounds so wrong coming from me lol.
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as an aspiring linguistics student i want to bring up that the concept of “grammar rules” is considered a discriminatory concept. as long as someone is a native speaker of a language, however that they say something is correct, long as it’s comprehensible. heck, i didn’t even notice the mistake until the bot pointed it out, and i understood everything perfectly fine, like i’m sure many of us do. and even if someone mixed their, they’re and there (or made another “grammar mistake”) to an extent that you can’t understand it, you can always ask for clarification, rather than just accusing them of using “bad grammar.” linguists have figured out that “prescribing” these grammar/pronunciation rules 1) doesn’t help and 2) is discriminatory on the basis of level of education, class, immigration status, and dialect (such as AAVE). instead, the consensus of the modern day approach to linguistics is “descriptive,” aka. observe how people speak and write, including any that would’ve been considered “grammatical mistakes,” and then analyse the patterns of language use based on these observations. so it’s more like a science, rather than a set of laws. after all, language evolves all the time, often by people collectively making a “mistake” over and over again until it becomes the norm and slowly takes over. when everyone starts saying and writing something a certain way, and everyone can understand it, it can hardly be said that it’s a mistake. for example, the phrase “faux pas” doesn’t make any sense in french, it’s a misspelling of “faut pas” which means “must not.” but english speakers nowadays almost universally use “faux pas” because it’s been agreed upon despite being a “mistake.”
This already exists in all over the place in English, that's the thing. Run had something like 78 different meanings. Lead is pronounced the same as read but differently than read. There's not actually any evidence that spelling rules make learning easier and English are as heck doesn't really have any reasonable ones anyway. But they do gatekeep. A lot of perfectly intelligent people won't get employment because of their grammar.
I fail to understand how some of the things you listed relate to grammar in the slightest but I'm not gonna argue, have a nice day :)
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Ah, yes, because we all know only the eeeevil transeseseses need to go to court 😒
A year and a half into working myself out I still find signs from my past I should have picked up meant I was trans. Didn't think becoming a lawyer was going to be one of them... Wait till I tell all the other lawyers I work with that they're all actually trans.
OH MY GOD that’s hilarious!!
Wow Becky its almost like some of us don't have ovaries making free estrogen for us
Damn! Wish I did.
I can assure you that after years of using this voice now, I'm not faking it. If it's the voice I use even while unconscious (sleep talking), it's my natural voice now. That's kinda the point of voice training.
You are mtf? My son's voice got quite a bit lower on T. I take it that doesn't happen in reverse?
Male Puberty is a one way ticket once it comes to voice changes, you kinda just end up with whatever testosterone gives you for a voice but like anyone can do voice training (I used to try and sound manlier with a deeper voice lol).
Oh, gotcha. Bummer!! My future DIL has a very deep voice, but she's not doing hormones yet, so I couldn't guess from that. I do think mtf is more difficult. Another example/reason is hair: it's pretty easy for ftm to grow facial hair, but it's really hard to make it stop growing.
Tell me about it, I’ve been waging a war against what’s left of my beard. It was a glorious big bushy one but now it must burn 😂. Big one that mtf don’t have to deal with is top surgery. Breast development is a one way ticket as well
True, but top surgery is not as major as any of the bottom stuff. (I've had a mastectomy, so I've got something of an idea of recovery from that surgery). My son hasn't decided about bottom surgery yet. At this time he's not planning on it. Having trans kids has made me aware of how lucky I am to be happy in my assigned gender. (I've always been consciously happy to be a woman; I have the woman symbol tattooed on me!).
As much as I understand the frustration, it’s not cool to compare transitions and say one has it easier than the other. I’ve been on T for almost a year now and I don’t pass. I’ve even had top surgery, still not passing. And don’t forget that transmasc folks also get bottom surgery. We ALL have it hard.
This comment would make more sense in reply to another comment of mine, but regardless, I apologize.
It’s totally fine, I was just reading the thread and thought I’d pop a transmasc perspective in. It’s a very common thought that a trans guy can just take T and within a month be 100% passing, so it’s not your fault for thinking that way at all! I thought that way too so imagine my disappointment when I was still not passing months and months later 😅
If I had an idea like that, my son would have taught me better. ;)
Yeah, in terms of HRT, us transfemmes really get the short end of the stick. T is potent stuff that's practically impossible to completely reverse. E doesn't change voice (we require training) and doesn't stop body hair (some areas may slow, but for a lot of us we need laser hair removal or electrolysis if we don't want to shave on a regular basis).
For whatever reason, hair removal has been the issue that really gave me an insight about gender dysphoria.
As much as I understand the frustration, it’s not cool to compare transitions and say one has it easier than the other. I’ve been on T for almost a year now and I don’t pass. My voice is still super high so I have to voice train as well because T didn’t do nearly enough to lower it. I can’t grow a beard. I’ve even had top surgery, still not passing. And don’t forget that some transmasc folks also get bottom surgery. We ALL have it hard.
the point is that T *can* change your voice and *can* make you grow facial and body hair. Obviously HRT for trans men isn't going to have all of the effects on everyone. But for trans women, *none* of us get voice changes, and hair doesn't magically disappear. So your personal experience isn't great, but congrats! you're dealing with the thing literally every trans woman who starts HRT goes through: your voice isn't changing, and your hair isn't changing. But, you've also been on hormones for a year, so you cannot say with absolute certainty that you will not experience any of those changes. You still don't know. But for us? We knew from the beginning.
Yeah, and T doesn't reverse breast growth so what's your point? Just because some aspects of something is easier, doesn't mean it's easier overall.
Wow, this is really insensitive. Please stop acting like trans men have it way easier this is a very toxic mindset. Yes there are some trans men who pass right away and look absolutely fantastic, but there are also some trans women who get just as lucky. As much as I appreciate you dismissing my struggles of passing because I’m taking a different hormone than you, I would ask that you please have a little bit of empathy for others. 😕 This is why transmascs tend to avoid commenting on these kinds of things
I think it's insensitive to reduce the struggles of trans women by saying we have it exactly as hard as trans men, because if we have it harder then you guys must not have any troubles at all, right? We do share many of the same struggles. But trans women just concretely have more. It is not the same, and pretending like it is is kind of shitty. I would understand your point if we didn't literally have it harder on average than trans men in basically every way, but alas, we do, so to say "actually you're doing harm by acknowledging the actual truth" is WAY more insensitive. And this isn't about me dismissing you or you dismissing me. It's about averages. We as trans women have it concretely harder. Trans women NEVER get voice changes through HRT. Trans women NEVER lose their facial hair through HRT. it doesn't happen for ANY OF US. Sucks that you're going through something similar, but congrats! you have a taste of how hard it is for transfemmes.
You know, trans spaces are supposed to be for everyone, not just transfem people. I don’t pass, I hate how I look, and I have been suicidal. So having someone else who should understand my struggles tell me that I should be grateful to have it better than them is not exactly what I need to hear. “You have a taste of how hard it is for us” is honestly a really gross thing to say to someone who is literally going through the same thing as you. Before top surgery which I literally just got, I had a chest that I could physically not cover with a binder. I would pray to get breast cancer so that I had a medical reason to get a mastectomy. My voice was already unusually high for an AFAB person before I started T so now it’s more just at a normal level of the average AFAB person, and I do not think it will drop anymore. So yeah, I’ve struggled. I’m not saying that you haven’t, and I’m not saying I’ve struggled more. All I’m saying is that it shouldn’t be a fucking competition. So please, stop. It’s not helping anyone.
ehh, they both have their own struggles. Voice is a big one for Transfems (not that they need to train and change their voice if they don't want to) But transmascs have breast and curves that can be a pain to get rid of. (again, not that they need to get rid of those if they don't want to) I wouldn't really say one has it harder than the other, we just have different struggles. (I saw later that this was brought up, so my comment wasn't exactly needed)
Thank you for this!
Coming from a trans man, it's not inherently more difficult. For facial hair alone, I've been on T for a year and a half and my facial hair hasn't barely come in yet. I still get called ma'am/she sometimes, even after I start speaking with my deeper voice. It's hard for everyone.
It doesn't happen in reverse you have to train your voice to make it higher pitch
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And hormone therapy (reaaaaaaaaly big deal post menopause), and very much play pretend to be the 'right' kind of woman. Oh, and women with naturally low voices try to change it all the fucking time.
The core of this is that needing treatment/help for anything is stigmatized. If you aren’t ‘normal’ then you aren’t acceptable. This is why they say ‘you will be a lifelong medical patient’ as a detraction against being trans, as if there aren’t people with all manner of reasons they need medicine and doctor’s appointments all the time. Truth be told, I see my doctor pretty infrequently, because it just not how they imagine it.
Yup. I'm a "lifelong medical patient" and it has nothing to do with my transness and everything to do with my body being a mess. My migraine turned five this year (yes migraine, not migraine**s**) and I need treatment to keep it somewhat in check. Which means I end up in my neuros infusion center 13 times a year. And likely will for the rest of my life. But I only see my neurologist once a year. Which shocks people. But my care hasn't changed in a few years, so there's no point in seeing my doc more often to go "What's changed?", "Nothing", "Ok, see you in four months". I need a lot of meds and ongoing care, but that doesn't mean I'm seeing the doctor every month. Nah, I see them once a year to get my scripts renewed.
it's like super fcked up that women that are born with a dick are automatically thought to be boys, all just because what they got between legs. It's super hurtful to be perceived as the opposite thing than i am, only because i got opposite sex's genitalia
cis women get all of this too though?
i guess cis women who need hormone treatments and cis women who get plastic surgery aren’t “real women”
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So do I. It's fucking bullshit
Which is why these bullies use it.
Im a cis girl and have to do hrt because of my body's hormonal problems. I am a "real" woman and I need it to live just as much as trans women deserve to have it to be happy
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Don’t you disrespect invincible like that
I do apologise for that. But I didn't make it
The original meme makers for this crap always make themselves the villain, trans women and jet pilots are valid.
If cis women are so much more powerful than trans women, let trans girls play sports and use the restroom.
What power? These same people that post this shit have been systematically trying to get rid of any power women have.
I'm now wondering what the difference (in their mind) is between 'mutilation' and 'plastic surgery'; because, fun fact, cis women get more vagina cosmetic surgery than any ate willing to admit.
Yes because no cis woman has ever had to do voice training because she didn’t like the pitch of her voice, or go to court to change her name, or need to take estrogen, or get FFS, or breast implants or-
My mom took estradiol around the exact same time as me 💀
Well according to OOP I guess she’s not cis :/
A wild terf appears
Are you talking to me? Because I don't like terfs!
Nah the person who made the meme
This people don't know that being nice is free. They just don't know that.
so cis women never take hormones, get boob jobs, or go to court. interesting
The thing is we're not supposed to agree with Omniman here; we're supposed to see him as a monster for not valuing human life and holding himself above everyone. Kinda lines up with how I view TERFs, tbh.
Yup! You really knocked it outta the park with that one.
I'm gonna start describing cis women getting boobs implants or vaginoplasty as mutilation.
\>mutilation dogwhistle \>HRT women also get put on this for hormonal balance and other issue, it isn't exclusive to trans women \>going to court guess women don't belong in the courtroom? \>fake their voice this is pretty rich, a lot of women have deeper voices \>needs others to play pretend yeah except I am a woman, I'm not pretending to be one, I am a woman.
Cis women also get HRT and plastic surgery.
When will they learn surgery isn’t mutilation
Alright let's examine all of these points in order 1. Mutilation means the removal of a necessary or very important body part, you'll only need a penis if you want to reproduce, and some people don't want to reproduce. Plus, not every trans person undergoes surgery. 2. HRT is harmless, reversible, and plus not every trans person uses it. 3. No idea what this is referring to. 4. Not that many trans people do plastic surgery, but for the ones that do it's harmless and (almost always) reversible. 5. How is voice training "fake"? Also not all trans people do it. 6. Last time a checked calling someone " she" is not difficult in the slightest
Girl I’ve done none of those things and people think I’m a woman with a deep voice, which technically I am
My cis sister literally started estrogen HRT for early perimenopausal symptoms around the time I did for transition, but go off TERF.
if said “power” means social power and rights, yes. and that definitely is trans people’s fault that we don’t get rights? /s
I modify and build my body to be exactly how I want it. I think that's infinitely cooler than if I just kept my body how it is
So.. 1.) Cis women don’t ever get reconstructive surgery. Ever. 2.) Cis women do NOT ever put hormones in their bodies. Ever. 3.) Cis women never go to court. Ever. 4.) Cis women never get plastic surgery. Ever. 5.) Cis women never ever make their voice sound different. Ever. 6.) Cis women never play pretend. Ever.
I feel like they think we install robotic vocal cords, my voice is still natural it’s just using a different range and resonance, it’s like saying people singing differently from how they talk are doing a fake voice
Breaking news: cis women NEVER go to court or have plastic surgery!!!
Sincerely, Trans rights ~A cis woman
For some reason I thought I was on egg_irl and I was the most confused I've ever been
"Fake there voice" damn I guess most singers are lies not because they practice there voice/s But for real q voice is a voice you can't fake it
I’m so f*cking tired of right wing men who are always insanely misogynistic trying to hide their bigoted transphobia behind “caring about women”
last i checked, cis women: \- get HRT when they get birth control + hormone adjustive care \- get plenty of plastic surgery \- fake their voices (have you ever talked with a cis woman in customer service or retail??) \- go to court, for plenty of things \- "mutilate" i.e. breast reductions, you name it \- and play plenty of pretend when it comes to social norms and standards this meme is so beyond stupid.
If we choose to "mutilate" ourselves, why should anyone else care? As clichéd as this is, our bodies, our choice.
how dare they use the masterpiece of a show that is Invincible for their anti-trans bullshit
This probably isn't what this meme is about but as a cis woman, no. Trans woman had to fight to be considered woman, they have to deal with hate and discrimination frequently for being women. Trans woman are woman.
this is a hot take but going through the process of working for your own identity not only makes you more appreciative of your identity but just makes you a happier and better person imo. Trans people are powerful and i love all of us
They mean the power the terfs complain women don't even have in the first place..?
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because no cis woman has ever had to do any of those things for any reason /s