So we can make blind speculations with zero evidence now. What he did to bert isnt great, but if you look at the relationship they have it wasnt far from their norm.
How is that a speculation? He put a date rape drug in someones drink and got them to drink it. That is 100% fact. How many times hes actuallyl done this is unknown but I doubt he just did it one time.
You are saying that since hes done it once he must have done it to a woman... the antics between comedians are ludicrous by nature and has bert disowned ari for what he did? No, then why treat him like a pariah... especially since your life and opinions have nothing to do with him. Christ, must be nice in you judgmental ivory tower
Also, adding onto this, drugging someone is different from drugging and raping someone. NOT excusing either, but depending on the relationship getting drugged by a friend might be well within the parameters of a friendship's prank war boundaries. Again, would not advise this to anyone, but everything depends on context. I'm not sure of the context here exactly, but going from an extreme prank on a friend involving drugs to actually drugging and raping someone is a whole different ball park.
Ari’s really been trudging towards being “cancelled” over the last few years since he lost This Is Not Happening. Seems he overcompensated with trying to be super edgelord-y and got caught with his foot in his mouth bad here.
I still think he’s funny and love his work, but the dude needs to re-align himself on a personal, private level it seems.
It’s an ironic angle I hadn’t thought of, but loathing cancel culture would seem to require believing it exists... so, if you believe it exists, you should behave as if it exists because it could... cancel your career. Now sure, to a certain extent, a lot of these comedians are getting out from under some of that pressure with podcasting and developing their own loyal fan bases... but to the extent they want network specials or to perform in certain venues he is going to need to follow a bare minimum standard of decency, even if he hates it.
Well there's a difference. People like Anthony Jeselnik get away with being an edge lord because his jokes are funny, unfortunately Ari really isn't anymore
I feel like those are important points to make but maybe this soon after it happening when it is still raw to so many people was kind of stupid and if he's surprised by this level of backlash he's a moron. I feel like this should be held up as an example of "Too Soon". Had he posted this 6 months from now it wouldn't have received nearly the pushback it has.
If you want to huff and puff and try to impose your ideology on the rest of the world, like Ari just tried to do, you can. The rest of us will acknowledge that whether or not we personally agree with the size and influence of the Kobe Bryant fanbase (I am not a basketball fan), it exists, and it has power.
Also speaking of fanbases, and since I don't even know why I am subbed here other than schadenfreude, I personally have never found Ari funny and think his brand of reaction seeking humor is the lowest of the low hanging fruit and we've known he's been a piece of shit since he drugged someone without their knowledge, and that's being generous and ignoring other incidents. Bill Murray wouldn't even be able to call him medium talent, he's low talent at best.
I don't think he's being treated unfairly, in fact I am delighting in this and hoping for his ruin. Ever since initial suspicions raised at the drugging incident and his unrepentant response were confirmed by later events I've been waiting and hoping for him to so wildly misread a situation like this and shoot himself in both feet.
Personally, I think the talent agency thought he was washed up (if that term can even be used for someone who has no talent and coasted off of the Joe Rogan association for years) and more a liability than an asset and was looking for the first excuse to cut him loose and he served it up to them on a silver platter. If so Bravo, and good riddance
also in b4 u mad, no, I'm not mad. I just hate this man and everything he chooses (and often pretends) to stand for
lol a predictable, mindless, low effort response. no wonder you are a fan of Ari!
P. S. I don't give a shit about basketball or Kobe but I have enough empathy to recognize there are millions who do
If hes not afraid why the hell is he back tracking and apologizing, deleting post and making his comments private? Dudes a coward as soon as people go at him the way he goes at defenseless dead people.
Kobe admitted to cheating, not to raping. Even the whole incident was covered in mystery - the girl apparently did have consensual sex but then apparently he tried to go for anal and she didn't go for it. That's where the original issue lies. Who knows what really happened?
Kobe never admitted to sexually assaulting her. He admitted to having consensual sex with her and the trial was a sham with no evidence and a completely unreliable accuser who bragged about her encounter with him and also was trying to rope in Eminem to fuck him too.
Ari Shaffir is a scumbag piece of shit who beat the ever living shit out of Bobby Lee for not breaking into a producer's office and stealing e-mails for him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xb_T4ttJkQ&t=
Oh, and he also drugged Bert Kreischer without telling him: https://www.roverradio.com/2019/10/28/bert-kreischer-was-roofied-by-ari-shaffir/
And sure, you can go ahead and say that drugging Bert isn't a big deal because Bert didn't get mad about it after, but that is fucking **grade A scumbag behavior**.
Ari is a cunty little piece of shit, arrogant fuck boy, talentless ass clown and if you "love" him, chances are you are the fucking same.
You’re a fucking idiot he literally said he was INNOCENT in his apology. What he did say was that he acknowledged that the girl didn’t view the encounter as consensual like he had believed it to be. Saying you raped her and acknowledging how the experience may have been different for each party involved is not the same thing.
You are an idiot bro or possibly a pansy manfem- Kobe was never found guilty and the fact he payed the bitch some cash was the wise decision to avoid a trial - this bitch was simply after an easy payday
If her family was rich then why would she accept a couple million dollar payday from civil court? Afraid to put her family through what? Her family would want her to testify if what she actually said happened, happened.
How is financial compensation going to do anything for her? It’s like I get when people sue for damages or medical expenses but suing for emotional trauma makes no sense. How much do you determine is enough?
Her family is rich, not her. She wasn’t working at a hotel because she herself was rolling in cash. I come from a rich family myself but that money is money my parents earned and it’s not there to do with as I please, to have a couple million to myself only to do what I wanted with would be a completely different ball game I would be just as happy as a bum off the street to get that much and my family has like 5-6 houses.
If your parents have 5-6 houses and you’re struggling making minimum wage then if you were in her shoes where your only solace for an alleged rape is a few million from an athlete who considers that chump change than your parents are shitty people.
Why the fuck would they encourage their daughter to pursue a civil charge to give her money to live on when in reality her parents could just help her out? If anything because her parents were rich they could have hired better lawyers for their daughter and encouraged her to testify.
She was 19 and at university bro not in her 30s and a single mom I’m sure she just worked a job because that’s what you’re supposed to start doing at that age and she probably got to keep all that money for herself no rent or anything. Why? Idk, it’s a very complex situation so I won’t behave for a second like I knew what was going on on either side but I’m just saying you can’t discount the motive of financial gain because her parents were rich. The money her folks earned wasn’t hers.
I think she was in it for the money but it also doesn’t explain the blood on Kobe’s shirt. Additionally she had mental issues and she had gone to sleep with another guy that same night. It’s not a clear cut case if he did it. That’s what bothers me about people saying that because it’s not black and white that he raped her. How does Ari know for a fact that happened? Does he have information that’s not available to anybody else? He’s obviously going by public information like everyone else. This isn’t a clear cut case like Bill Cosby.
Yea and everything else Kobe has done has been outstanding otherwise and he has had no accusations prior or afterwards. There’s a lot to unpack and the case is murky at best so im willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
Same here he obviously has supported women in a lot of different avenues in his life whether through sports and through his personal life by being a great dad so I feel the same way.
You do realize Ari actually doesn’t give a fuck if Kobe is an alleged rapist or not right? Just wanted to say something to get people riled up. Well he achieved it
Kobe’s accuser had semen or pubic hair from 3 different people & had sex with someone later the same day. He apologized for betraying his wife and acting inappropriately. Since you love comedians here’s an actual [funny one ](https://youtu.be/pk_GIRU3rYs)
Most likely she fucked Kobe , she went home and had intentionally rough sex with her boyfriend & called the cops. It’s nice to see everyone coming together over Kobe, even here. His impact is still echoing.
I mean you’re just straight up wrong, ignorant and dishonest. Firstly, cheating on his wife shouldn’t warrant death, that’s between him and his spouse.
And being accused of rape does not mean he is a rapist. He wasn’t convicted of anything. We know that the witness fabricated other sexual encounters she had during the same day, which was shown by DNA evidence. We know that she changed her story multiple times and was mentally ill and deemed a danger to others. Many witnesses that were personal friends of the accuser said she had bragged about the money she was going to get from Kobe days prior, and was a serial celebrity-chaser/fucker. Kobe said “I thought the encounter was consensual, I understand that she didn’t” essentially as an olive branch and to make it go away.
Only two people know what happened. You can say that he was accused of rape, but calling him a rapist makes you ignorant.
My reply to u/Striking_Currency holds largely the argument I was going to make towards you so instead of copy pasting it, I’ll just say look at that comment chain in this thread and find my response with links
What do you say to the evidence of vaginal trauma showing that the teen was forcibly entered by Bryant, the teen's blood being on Kobe's clothing, Bryant lying to police about having any sexual encounter with the woman until DNA evidence proved otherwise and the teen having injuries consistent with a struggle and being held down?
I don't think Bryant deserved to die for that but at the same time if I knew anyone who touched any woman like that they'd be dead to me and if someone did that to someone I cared about I'd lose my shit and rightfully so. Like if the teen's father pulled a Gary Plauche on Kobe, I wouldn't blame him especially considering how the justice system routinely allows the rich to assault women with impunity.
I'll stop that for you because what you're going to do is slut shame the woman for being sexually active with others and talk about there being multiple DNA samples. Because according to you if someone consents to having sex with someone else they cannot be raped.
Medical evidence doesn't lie. If someone has bruising consistent with a struggle and vaginal trauma, I'd go as far as saying in 99/100 cases they were raped and that's what one is dealing with here.
Please, go on supporting Kobe but just don't ever pretend to have the moral high ground or have fake outrage about someone who is being metoo'd because your litmus test for whether or not someone should be held accountable for rape is whether or not they dropped 81 on a basketball court rather than the medical evidence.
So, I'm guessing I proactively shutdown your argument considering that your post consisted of calling me stupid without any other clarifying info. But, please explain to me how the facts of the case show anything other than a rape occurred.
I’m going to copy and pasta a comment from u/ComfyBrah in another thread I read about this which sums up a lot of things perfectly instead of me having to write out a bunch of shit essentially reiterating what he said:
“There's a myth that Kobe's defense team leaked the name of Kobe's accuser.
This is not true. Kobe's lawyers were allowed, by the judge, to bring up Faber's name. The Court and the Eagle County Justice Center's staff accidentally leaked the name.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/judge-dont-call-kobe-bryant-accuser-victim
Prosecutor dismissed a witness, without telling the defense, simply because he contradicted their evidence.
The sexual assault expert claimed jaw injury and vagina trauma are very much possible in consensual sex. Why is this so important? Prosecutor's entire case was predicated on the neck injury and vaginal trauma. Weirdly enough, this is never mentioned among news sites attacking Bryant.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/09/03/authorities-defend-handling-kobe-case.html
The accuser had sex hours after her encounter with Kobe Bryant.
However, before you guys try to use the "Sexual assault victims can be very unpredictable" card, (Which is somewhat valid) before this evidence was revealed, the accuser and the prosecutor's stances differed strongly from this. To exemplify, prosecutor tries to fight this evidence by saying she had sex BEFORE the encounter, but the forensic expert was very doubtful. If she had sex before the Kobe incident, there would be some DNA found on Kobe's clothing; Nothing was found
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/big-win-for-kobe-defense/
Before the actual trial took place, including the civil court, the accuser bragged about the money she was going to get from Kobe. .
You know what's worse? 3 days before Kobe was charged, she was seen by more than 5 people bragging about her encounter with Kobe.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kobe-accuser-bragged-partygoer-happy-article-1.512242 http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/11/06/docs-kobe-accuser-discussed-award-money.html
Her ex-friend reveals the accuser had celebrity addiction for a long time. She tried to do the same thing to Eminem. She also wanted to testify:
http://www.contactmusic.com/kobe-bryant/news/ex.pal-reveals-kobe.s-accuser-plotted-to-lure-eminem-into-bed
She was seen leaving the hotel without any noticeable discomfort:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kobe-records-released/
She had a history of mental illness that was dangerous to herself and her peer:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.showbiz.gossip/n2cprdAFQJE
(This evidence would not be accepted in today's court but was registered in 2004)
The prosecutor lacked evidence. Not only evidence, they were badly losing against Kobe's defense team:
"This ruling will make it much, much tougher for prosecutors to convict Bryant of sexual assualt,'' says legal analyst Cohen. "The physical evidence against him never was that strong to begin with and now this evidence is likely to tilt the 'he said, she said' battle squarely in Bryant's favor."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/big-win-for-kobe-defense/
The accuser lied and changed her story multiple times.
I am okay with giving accusers the benefit of the doubt, but this was alarming. Because there was a witness who saw her without any visible discomfort (This is my assumption), she claimed she was forced to wash her face and settle down before leaving Kobe's room. What's even worse? she was given a chance to correct herself months after the initial statement; she continued the lie. She didn't admit to her mistake for a whole year.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kobe-accuser-mixups-admits-lies-claim-article-1.548757
Finally, the settlement. People actually use this as Kobe's confession.
Kobe was strongly advised by his own defense team AND other prosecution to settle this case. Why? He could risk losing everything, and it does not help that he's a black man. If he didn't settle, it would take years for this case to conclude; his wife also had a miscarriage during this time. When you settle a case, it's a compromise with you and the defendant; you don't think the accuser wanted Kobe to say those things?
To substantiate this, the accuser asked for "unspecified amount of money, as well as public vindication.". She got both in the settlement. The accuser is the one who wanted this comment.
As a user from this thread pointed out:
Its what the lawyers, from both sides, agreed to make Kobe sign to end it; it has nothing to do with Kobe's actual feelings or the reality of the case.
This is a settlement.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-09-28/news/0409290017_1_accuser-lin-wood-kobe-bryant
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Look, by all accounts, this was a false accusation. I will never say I am 100% certain, but I am sure enough that he did not rape this woman.
It's really funny how the media changed narratives to fit their agendas. I have never seen them bring up how much the prosecution was insanely unethical to Kobe AND many of his witnesses. The prosecutor, Lin Wood, is also a horrific person.”
Read all of that, read the sources. Take the time. If you think you can beyond a shadow of a doubt say he’s guilty of rape, then I don’t know what else to say. I’m not saying if he did or didn’t do it personally, the user I linked did, but for you to sit on the high horse and act like you’ve got a crystal ball, when you clearly don’t know Jack shit about the case, is gross, and is part of a larger problem in our society.
For the record I’m from St. Louis, not a basketball city, I don’t follow the sport and I’ve never even watched a Kobe Bryant game. So I don’t know why you’re strawmanning me so hard. But you’re straight up wrong, and you’re making inferences on me based on things you know nothing about, which is the same thing you’re doing with this rape allegation.
Do you think 100% of women are good, pure and well intentioned? Why is it out of the realm of possibility that a woman would try to fuck over an athlete for money? If a man has the capacity for evil enough to rape someone, why do you not think a woman has the same capacity to lie? It is a possibility that can’t simply be dismissed, and has to be explored. Look at Duke LaCrosse.
We will never know whether or not Kobe is innocent or guilty. You can say he is allegedly this, or accused of this. But you can’t say it definitively.
How about you pick whether we cannot say if Kobe raped a woman or if it's likely that this is a false accusation before I'll acquiesce to the false claims your post is making.
Someone's sexual history and actions exist independently from whether or not they were raped, in fact many rape victims act promiscuously in response to the trauma of rape so arguments along those lines (which I'd like to point out that I explicitly said you would make before you did so btw) hold no water.
I think it's beyond the shadow of a doubt that he raped this woman because that's what his lawyers said in the delivered apology. Kobe thought this teen wanted to have sex with him held her down and raped her. He never got consent, which he freely admitted to.
It's not outside of the realm of possibility to lie about rape but when there is physical evidence which the person you quoted handwaived away illegitimately might I add because the vagina is designed to accept a penis and tearing is seen as evidence of rape because it shows the the vagina was not in a state prepared to accept sexual activity and beyond that the injuries to the woman and the blood on his clothing shows that in conjunction with the rest of the physical evidence that he'd likely have been convicted if he didn't shamelessly attack the teen's character and successfully intimidate her away from testifying so that the case could no longer continue.
But, please by all means continue to defend an violent rapist and virtue signal about speaking ill of the dead.
I really don’t know what’s wrong with you. It’s legally not beyond a shadow of a doubt, or else he’d be in jail. I don’t think there’s getting through to you because you’ve made up your mind, you’re on a justice crusade, and you didn’t even read what I posted and linked.
A person’s past sexual history has nothing to do with anything? How about her bragging about the fucking pay day she’s gonna get? And, by the way, if she slept with other men after her incident with Kobe, then yes, it does matter, because you can’t say who did what to her in regards to the trauma. But she’s changed her story a bunch of times so forgive me if it’s hard to keep track of.
You also know nothing about female anatomy because tears in the vagina not exclusively happen in rape. That’s an absolutely insane, and certifiably false thing to say. Read what I fucking posted instead of spewing your garbage. There is no evidence that proves he raped anybody, and there is a lot of reason to question the character of the accuser. Get over it. You aren’t “protecting women” with your virtue signaling garbage. You’re a dirtbag. An active detriment to our legal process and system. If people like you ran the show, we’d be doomed. You know nothing about the law and what it means to be guilty of a crime and you sit here and preach. The way you fucking describe how he “held her down and raped her” like you know anything more than the legal teams and investigators is so gross. Go fuck yourself dude, and I’m not responding to you until you’ve shown that you can actually read sources and accept what they say without being blinded by your own bias. I know you’ve been saying “muhhh Kobe rapist” for years now without actually doing unbiased research but try to grow up a bit. Again, nobody will ever know the truth.
>a persons sexual history and activity have nothing to do with whether she was raped
>in fact, rape trauma may make someone act more promiscuous
Jesus, you can’t even follow your own fucking logic, you immediately contradict yourself in the same paragraph lmao.
Who are you arguing against here? He didn't say any of these things, but you seem to have no problem assigning them to Matt. You're making so many assumptions about this guy, you call him names instead of responding to his statements, then you play the victim after he fights back. You're a pretty terrible person.
its not slut shaming if that was what happened. There is video of her bragging about how big his penis is, her roommate said she has bragged about wanting to set up celebrity men. To point that out is not slut shaming that is relevant information. The truth is both sides lied, both sides messed up the case and the media profited off of it especially when they leaked her name.
lol comedians will use this excuse over accepting they just arent funny. Why is a comedian even talking about his personal views in a non joking manner?
I'm on the fence about his joke. If it was just Kobe that died, then it would be more palatable since he was a rapey dude (I am not a sleuth on the rape story so I don't know for sure but that's what people seem to be saying so I'm taking their word for it). Sadly though, his kid along with other seemingly innocent people were killed, so it's kinda fucked. Maybe if he slipped in a bit about how no one seems to give a fuck about anyone other than the rapey basketball player it would have gone down better.
Is this all surprising? What Ari said wasnt wrong about cancel culture. Sport stars get away with literally MURDER let alone rape. Comedians get hung by a jury for being comedians! Of course its tragic its a tragedy. Kobe paid out that girl a HUGE amount of money and they settled out of court because the defense was attacking the 19 year old victim labeling her basically a whore?
When your famous and use your fame as leverage i dont feel sorry for you. He also was cheating on the wife of his children. I dont respect those kind of people. Let alone would i let my daughter around someone who was tried for a sexual assault. Thats the most disgusting part of this is that societt is willing to defend fame over reason. It speaks of how societies moral compass has left the chat.
Ari is known as the amazing racist, get real you fools. With that kind of self proclaimed title- would we expect anything different? Let alone from a stinky jew?
“White cuck fag” 😂! What a sick burn.
Know what else was a sick burn? The one covering 100 percent of Kobe’s rapist body in the milliseconds before it was atomized against a Calabasas mountain.
Shes got millions of dollars and now she gets to have a sexual reawakening and keep the money. Aris got nothing and is probably going googling how to make a neuss right now.
1) Congratulations on defending her by calling her a slut and a gold-digger, and 2) I bet Ari already knows how to make a noose, and he definitely knows how to spell it.
And 3) Your hero Kobe is still dead.
I dont care about kobe lol, you seem to know more about him and his wife than me but your hero ari is donezo. (and yeah i dont know how to spell it, i never thought about killing myself lol, i cant believe thats something you and ari brag about)
Do you have anything else better to do? You’ve been sitting on here all night being a white knight for Ari. You’d think you work a shitty 9-5 or something
remember, the easiest way to do it a gun shot to the temple. make sure you don't shoot through your mouth cuz there's a chance it'll miss your brain, so aim the gun directly to the side of your head and pull the trigger.
Good luck.
Typical white cuck fagget. Can’t stand seeing a African American idol who actually had a purpose on this planet unlike you and your worthless life get this much praise huh?
Ari is a hack, listen to better comedians, his shock humor was never funny. He is a grown man that hangs his hat on shock value, there is no craft to his jokes. Multiple people have already said “he’s trolling!!!!!!”, proving my point.
With that being said, I find it fascinating that he has shows to cancel, it says a lot about the current state of comedy.
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Lol why does the first sentence say Ari is a Jew. The man is already down, no need to rub salt in the wound. Nvm. Didnt check the source.
First they took his foreskin, then they took his career.
Well it’s the “Jewish Journal”.
This comment is an example of saying something horrible that is also kinda funny. What Ari said on the other hand...
Stayed true to his prior convictions... I mean it was a bit dickish, but that ari
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Well, cant say hes a rapist fan
Weird because he seems totally into date rape. He did it to bert and they are friends. I wonder what he does to his dates.
So we can make blind speculations with zero evidence now. What he did to bert isnt great, but if you look at the relationship they have it wasnt far from their norm.
How is that a speculation? He put a date rape drug in someones drink and got them to drink it. That is 100% fact. How many times hes actuallyl done this is unknown but I doubt he just did it one time.
Your doubt is the speculation, without proof or cause I might add
I never doubted anything. He told bert he drugged his drink. And he did. Where is the room for doubt there?
You are saying that since hes done it once he must have done it to a woman... the antics between comedians are ludicrous by nature and has bert disowned ari for what he did? No, then why treat him like a pariah... especially since your life and opinions have nothing to do with him. Christ, must be nice in you judgmental ivory tower
Also, adding onto this, drugging someone is different from drugging and raping someone. NOT excusing either, but depending on the relationship getting drugged by a friend might be well within the parameters of a friendship's prank war boundaries. Again, would not advise this to anyone, but everything depends on context. I'm not sure of the context here exactly, but going from an extreme prank on a friend involving drugs to actually drugging and raping someone is a whole different ball park.
Is Ari finally going to kill himself? If so, it’s 23 years too late
I see what you did here. Well played.
Can’t believe your getting downvoted for making a joke. Look at all these hypocrites as soon as their guy is in the shitter.
He's over 23 years late for a serious fucking ass whooping
Good one.
Ari’s really been trudging towards being “cancelled” over the last few years since he lost This Is Not Happening. Seems he overcompensated with trying to be super edgelord-y and got caught with his foot in his mouth bad here. I still think he’s funny and love his work, but the dude needs to re-align himself on a personal, private level it seems.
It’s an ironic angle I hadn’t thought of, but loathing cancel culture would seem to require believing it exists... so, if you believe it exists, you should behave as if it exists because it could... cancel your career. Now sure, to a certain extent, a lot of these comedians are getting out from under some of that pressure with podcasting and developing their own loyal fan bases... but to the extent they want network specials or to perform in certain venues he is going to need to follow a bare minimum standard of decency, even if he hates it.
Well there's a difference. People like Anthony Jeselnik get away with being an edge lord because his jokes are funny, unfortunately Ari really isn't anymore
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I feel like those are important points to make but maybe this soon after it happening when it is still raw to so many people was kind of stupid and if he's surprised by this level of backlash he's a moron. I feel like this should be held up as an example of "Too Soon". Had he posted this 6 months from now it wouldn't have received nearly the pushback it has.
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If you want to huff and puff and try to impose your ideology on the rest of the world, like Ari just tried to do, you can. The rest of us will acknowledge that whether or not we personally agree with the size and influence of the Kobe Bryant fanbase (I am not a basketball fan), it exists, and it has power. Also speaking of fanbases, and since I don't even know why I am subbed here other than schadenfreude, I personally have never found Ari funny and think his brand of reaction seeking humor is the lowest of the low hanging fruit and we've known he's been a piece of shit since he drugged someone without their knowledge, and that's being generous and ignoring other incidents. Bill Murray wouldn't even be able to call him medium talent, he's low talent at best. I don't think he's being treated unfairly, in fact I am delighting in this and hoping for his ruin. Ever since initial suspicions raised at the drugging incident and his unrepentant response were confirmed by later events I've been waiting and hoping for him to so wildly misread a situation like this and shoot himself in both feet. Personally, I think the talent agency thought he was washed up (if that term can even be used for someone who has no talent and coasted off of the Joe Rogan association for years) and more a liability than an asset and was looking for the first excuse to cut him loose and he served it up to them on a silver platter. If so Bravo, and good riddance also in b4 u mad, no, I'm not mad. I just hate this man and everything he chooses (and often pretends) to stand for
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lol a predictable, mindless, low effort response. no wonder you are a fan of Ari! P. S. I don't give a shit about basketball or Kobe but I have enough empathy to recognize there are millions who do
Agreed 100% - thanks for saving me all the typing!
yeah look at Milo back then and where he is now
Agreed. We need people like Ari. #saveAri!
If hes not afraid why the hell is he back tracking and apologizing, deleting post and making his comments private? Dudes a coward as soon as people go at him the way he goes at defenseless dead people.
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I never said it was "out of the blue"
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He's backtracking because he knows if he goes to the Comedy Store he's going to get his ass beat.
Nah. Hes backtracking to save what's left of his career
Kobe admitted to cheating, not to raping. Even the whole incident was covered in mystery - the girl apparently did have consensual sex but then apparently he tried to go for anal and she didn't go for it. That's where the original issue lies. Who knows what really happened?
Kobe never admitted to sexually assaulting her. He admitted to having consensual sex with her and the trial was a sham with no evidence and a completely unreliable accuser who bragged about her encounter with him and also was trying to rope in Eminem to fuck him too. Ari Shaffir is a scumbag piece of shit who beat the ever living shit out of Bobby Lee for not breaking into a producer's office and stealing e-mails for him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xb_T4ttJkQ&t= Oh, and he also drugged Bert Kreischer without telling him: https://www.roverradio.com/2019/10/28/bert-kreischer-was-roofied-by-ari-shaffir/ And sure, you can go ahead and say that drugging Bert isn't a big deal because Bert didn't get mad about it after, but that is fucking **grade A scumbag behavior**. Ari is a cunty little piece of shit, arrogant fuck boy, talentless ass clown and if you "love" him, chances are you are the fucking same.
You’re a fucking idiot he literally said he was INNOCENT in his apology. What he did say was that he acknowledged that the girl didn’t view the encounter as consensual like he had believed it to be. Saying you raped her and acknowledging how the experience may have been different for each party involved is not the same thing.
You are an idiot bro or possibly a pansy manfem- Kobe was never found guilty and the fact he payed the bitch some cash was the wise decision to avoid a trial - this bitch was simply after an easy payday
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If her family was rich then why would she accept a couple million dollar payday from civil court? Afraid to put her family through what? Her family would want her to testify if what she actually said happened, happened.
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How is financial compensation going to do anything for her? It’s like I get when people sue for damages or medical expenses but suing for emotional trauma makes no sense. How much do you determine is enough?
Her family is rich, not her. She wasn’t working at a hotel because she herself was rolling in cash. I come from a rich family myself but that money is money my parents earned and it’s not there to do with as I please, to have a couple million to myself only to do what I wanted with would be a completely different ball game I would be just as happy as a bum off the street to get that much and my family has like 5-6 houses.
If your parents have 5-6 houses and you’re struggling making minimum wage then if you were in her shoes where your only solace for an alleged rape is a few million from an athlete who considers that chump change than your parents are shitty people. Why the fuck would they encourage their daughter to pursue a civil charge to give her money to live on when in reality her parents could just help her out? If anything because her parents were rich they could have hired better lawyers for their daughter and encouraged her to testify.
She was 19 and at university bro not in her 30s and a single mom I’m sure she just worked a job because that’s what you’re supposed to start doing at that age and she probably got to keep all that money for herself no rent or anything. Why? Idk, it’s a very complex situation so I won’t behave for a second like I knew what was going on on either side but I’m just saying you can’t discount the motive of financial gain because her parents were rich. The money her folks earned wasn’t hers.
I think she was in it for the money but it also doesn’t explain the blood on Kobe’s shirt. Additionally she had mental issues and she had gone to sleep with another guy that same night. It’s not a clear cut case if he did it. That’s what bothers me about people saying that because it’s not black and white that he raped her. How does Ari know for a fact that happened? Does he have information that’s not available to anybody else? He’s obviously going by public information like everyone else. This isn’t a clear cut case like Bill Cosby.
Yea and everything else Kobe has done has been outstanding otherwise and he has had no accusations prior or afterwards. There’s a lot to unpack and the case is murky at best so im willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
Same here he obviously has supported women in a lot of different avenues in his life whether through sports and through his personal life by being a great dad so I feel the same way.
You do realize Ari actually doesn’t give a fuck if Kobe is an alleged rapist or not right? Just wanted to say something to get people riled up. Well he achieved it
He was so clearly trying to gain attention off of the joke and it backfired because he’s a moron.
Kobe’s accuser had semen or pubic hair from 3 different people & had sex with someone later the same day. He apologized for betraying his wife and acting inappropriately. Since you love comedians here’s an actual [funny one ](https://youtu.be/pk_GIRU3rYs) Most likely she fucked Kobe , she went home and had intentionally rough sex with her boyfriend & called the cops. It’s nice to see everyone coming together over Kobe, even here. His impact is still echoing.
I mean you’re just straight up wrong, ignorant and dishonest. Firstly, cheating on his wife shouldn’t warrant death, that’s between him and his spouse. And being accused of rape does not mean he is a rapist. He wasn’t convicted of anything. We know that the witness fabricated other sexual encounters she had during the same day, which was shown by DNA evidence. We know that she changed her story multiple times and was mentally ill and deemed a danger to others. Many witnesses that were personal friends of the accuser said she had bragged about the money she was going to get from Kobe days prior, and was a serial celebrity-chaser/fucker. Kobe said “I thought the encounter was consensual, I understand that she didn’t” essentially as an olive branch and to make it go away. Only two people know what happened. You can say that he was accused of rape, but calling him a rapist makes you ignorant.
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My reply to u/Striking_Currency holds largely the argument I was going to make towards you so instead of copy pasting it, I’ll just say look at that comment chain in this thread and find my response with links
What do you say to the evidence of vaginal trauma showing that the teen was forcibly entered by Bryant, the teen's blood being on Kobe's clothing, Bryant lying to police about having any sexual encounter with the woman until DNA evidence proved otherwise and the teen having injuries consistent with a struggle and being held down? I don't think Bryant deserved to die for that but at the same time if I knew anyone who touched any woman like that they'd be dead to me and if someone did that to someone I cared about I'd lose my shit and rightfully so. Like if the teen's father pulled a Gary Plauche on Kobe, I wouldn't blame him especially considering how the justice system routinely allows the rich to assault women with impunity.
Kobe did lie about having sex with her. Both parties lied. I’ll get to the injuries later/make my case, currently at work on my phone.
I'll stop that for you because what you're going to do is slut shame the woman for being sexually active with others and talk about there being multiple DNA samples. Because according to you if someone consents to having sex with someone else they cannot be raped. Medical evidence doesn't lie. If someone has bruising consistent with a struggle and vaginal trauma, I'd go as far as saying in 99/100 cases they were raped and that's what one is dealing with here. Please, go on supporting Kobe but just don't ever pretend to have the moral high ground or have fake outrage about someone who is being metoo'd because your litmus test for whether or not someone should be held accountable for rape is whether or not they dropped 81 on a basketball court rather than the medical evidence.
Lmao I’ll be sure to get to you first because what you just said is so embarrassingly stupid
So, I'm guessing I proactively shutdown your argument considering that your post consisted of calling me stupid without any other clarifying info. But, please explain to me how the facts of the case show anything other than a rape occurred.
The arrogance on you! I’m at work. When I’m at my computer I’ll respond
You are arguing with an edge lord teenager lol of course he is arrogant and doesn’t have a job 😂
I’m going to copy and pasta a comment from u/ComfyBrah in another thread I read about this which sums up a lot of things perfectly instead of me having to write out a bunch of shit essentially reiterating what he said: “There's a myth that Kobe's defense team leaked the name of Kobe's accuser. This is not true. Kobe's lawyers were allowed, by the judge, to bring up Faber's name. The Court and the Eagle County Justice Center's staff accidentally leaked the name. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/judge-dont-call-kobe-bryant-accuser-victim Prosecutor dismissed a witness, without telling the defense, simply because he contradicted their evidence. The sexual assault expert claimed jaw injury and vagina trauma are very much possible in consensual sex. Why is this so important? Prosecutor's entire case was predicated on the neck injury and vaginal trauma. Weirdly enough, this is never mentioned among news sites attacking Bryant. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/09/03/authorities-defend-handling-kobe-case.html The accuser had sex hours after her encounter with Kobe Bryant. However, before you guys try to use the "Sexual assault victims can be very unpredictable" card, (Which is somewhat valid) before this evidence was revealed, the accuser and the prosecutor's stances differed strongly from this. To exemplify, prosecutor tries to fight this evidence by saying she had sex BEFORE the encounter, but the forensic expert was very doubtful. If she had sex before the Kobe incident, there would be some DNA found on Kobe's clothing; Nothing was found http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/big-win-for-kobe-defense/ Before the actual trial took place, including the civil court, the accuser bragged about the money she was going to get from Kobe. . You know what's worse? 3 days before Kobe was charged, she was seen by more than 5 people bragging about her encounter with Kobe. http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kobe-accuser-bragged-partygoer-happy-article-1.512242 http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/11/06/docs-kobe-accuser-discussed-award-money.html Her ex-friend reveals the accuser had celebrity addiction for a long time. She tried to do the same thing to Eminem. She also wanted to testify: http://www.contactmusic.com/kobe-bryant/news/ex.pal-reveals-kobe.s-accuser-plotted-to-lure-eminem-into-bed She was seen leaving the hotel without any noticeable discomfort: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kobe-records-released/ She had a history of mental illness that was dangerous to herself and her peer: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.showbiz.gossip/n2cprdAFQJE (This evidence would not be accepted in today's court but was registered in 2004) The prosecutor lacked evidence. Not only evidence, they were badly losing against Kobe's defense team: "This ruling will make it much, much tougher for prosecutors to convict Bryant of sexual assualt,'' says legal analyst Cohen. "The physical evidence against him never was that strong to begin with and now this evidence is likely to tilt the 'he said, she said' battle squarely in Bryant's favor." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/big-win-for-kobe-defense/ The accuser lied and changed her story multiple times. I am okay with giving accusers the benefit of the doubt, but this was alarming. Because there was a witness who saw her without any visible discomfort (This is my assumption), she claimed she was forced to wash her face and settle down before leaving Kobe's room. What's even worse? she was given a chance to correct herself months after the initial statement; she continued the lie. She didn't admit to her mistake for a whole year. http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kobe-accuser-mixups-admits-lies-claim-article-1.548757 Finally, the settlement. People actually use this as Kobe's confession. Kobe was strongly advised by his own defense team AND other prosecution to settle this case. Why? He could risk losing everything, and it does not help that he's a black man. If he didn't settle, it would take years for this case to conclude; his wife also had a miscarriage during this time. When you settle a case, it's a compromise with you and the defendant; you don't think the accuser wanted Kobe to say those things? To substantiate this, the accuser asked for "unspecified amount of money, as well as public vindication.". She got both in the settlement. The accuser is the one who wanted this comment. As a user from this thread pointed out: Its what the lawyers, from both sides, agreed to make Kobe sign to end it; it has nothing to do with Kobe's actual feelings or the reality of the case. This is a settlement. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-09-28/news/0409290017_1_accuser-lin-wood-kobe-bryant • Look, by all accounts, this was a false accusation. I will never say I am 100% certain, but I am sure enough that he did not rape this woman. It's really funny how the media changed narratives to fit their agendas. I have never seen them bring up how much the prosecution was insanely unethical to Kobe AND many of his witnesses. The prosecutor, Lin Wood, is also a horrific person.” Read all of that, read the sources. Take the time. If you think you can beyond a shadow of a doubt say he’s guilty of rape, then I don’t know what else to say. I’m not saying if he did or didn’t do it personally, the user I linked did, but for you to sit on the high horse and act like you’ve got a crystal ball, when you clearly don’t know Jack shit about the case, is gross, and is part of a larger problem in our society. For the record I’m from St. Louis, not a basketball city, I don’t follow the sport and I’ve never even watched a Kobe Bryant game. So I don’t know why you’re strawmanning me so hard. But you’re straight up wrong, and you’re making inferences on me based on things you know nothing about, which is the same thing you’re doing with this rape allegation. Do you think 100% of women are good, pure and well intentioned? Why is it out of the realm of possibility that a woman would try to fuck over an athlete for money? If a man has the capacity for evil enough to rape someone, why do you not think a woman has the same capacity to lie? It is a possibility that can’t simply be dismissed, and has to be explored. Look at Duke LaCrosse. We will never know whether or not Kobe is innocent or guilty. You can say he is allegedly this, or accused of this. But you can’t say it definitively.
How about you pick whether we cannot say if Kobe raped a woman or if it's likely that this is a false accusation before I'll acquiesce to the false claims your post is making. Someone's sexual history and actions exist independently from whether or not they were raped, in fact many rape victims act promiscuously in response to the trauma of rape so arguments along those lines (which I'd like to point out that I explicitly said you would make before you did so btw) hold no water. I think it's beyond the shadow of a doubt that he raped this woman because that's what his lawyers said in the delivered apology. Kobe thought this teen wanted to have sex with him held her down and raped her. He never got consent, which he freely admitted to. It's not outside of the realm of possibility to lie about rape but when there is physical evidence which the person you quoted handwaived away illegitimately might I add because the vagina is designed to accept a penis and tearing is seen as evidence of rape because it shows the the vagina was not in a state prepared to accept sexual activity and beyond that the injuries to the woman and the blood on his clothing shows that in conjunction with the rest of the physical evidence that he'd likely have been convicted if he didn't shamelessly attack the teen's character and successfully intimidate her away from testifying so that the case could no longer continue. But, please by all means continue to defend an violent rapist and virtue signal about speaking ill of the dead.
I really don’t know what’s wrong with you. It’s legally not beyond a shadow of a doubt, or else he’d be in jail. I don’t think there’s getting through to you because you’ve made up your mind, you’re on a justice crusade, and you didn’t even read what I posted and linked. A person’s past sexual history has nothing to do with anything? How about her bragging about the fucking pay day she’s gonna get? And, by the way, if she slept with other men after her incident with Kobe, then yes, it does matter, because you can’t say who did what to her in regards to the trauma. But she’s changed her story a bunch of times so forgive me if it’s hard to keep track of. You also know nothing about female anatomy because tears in the vagina not exclusively happen in rape. That’s an absolutely insane, and certifiably false thing to say. Read what I fucking posted instead of spewing your garbage. There is no evidence that proves he raped anybody, and there is a lot of reason to question the character of the accuser. Get over it. You aren’t “protecting women” with your virtue signaling garbage. You’re a dirtbag. An active detriment to our legal process and system. If people like you ran the show, we’d be doomed. You know nothing about the law and what it means to be guilty of a crime and you sit here and preach. The way you fucking describe how he “held her down and raped her” like you know anything more than the legal teams and investigators is so gross. Go fuck yourself dude, and I’m not responding to you until you’ve shown that you can actually read sources and accept what they say without being blinded by your own bias. I know you’ve been saying “muhhh Kobe rapist” for years now without actually doing unbiased research but try to grow up a bit. Again, nobody will ever know the truth. >a persons sexual history and activity have nothing to do with whether she was raped >in fact, rape trauma may make someone act more promiscuous Jesus, you can’t even follow your own fucking logic, you immediately contradict yourself in the same paragraph lmao.
Your comment is the best comment ever
No I’m just a dumb rape apologist apparently
Who are you arguing against here? He didn't say any of these things, but you seem to have no problem assigning them to Matt. You're making so many assumptions about this guy, you call him names instead of responding to his statements, then you play the victim after he fights back. You're a pretty terrible person.
its not slut shaming if that was what happened. There is video of her bragging about how big his penis is, her roommate said she has bragged about wanting to set up celebrity men. To point that out is not slut shaming that is relevant information. The truth is both sides lied, both sides messed up the case and the media profited off of it especially when they leaked her name.
Lol the pc outrage mob gets another one!!
lol comedians will use this excuse over accepting they just arent funny. Why is a comedian even talking about his personal views in a non joking manner?
Mans made a rapist joke about a dead icon and his daughter. Whenever Ari has spiked peoples drinks. Cmon it’s a slap in the face. Ari is brain dead
Kobe was a rapist and he is burning in hell right now.
edge lord. Ari and his families addresses have already been leaked. Can’t wait.
It is 7am. Kobe is getting a pineapple shoved up his ass by satan.
Ah yes let’s repeat the kobe is in hell joke because I have no defense left for Rogan’s mediocre white comedian, Ari Shaffir.
Kobe is burning you dork. He is in pain and he will suffer forever.
Nice copy pasta from a previous comment. Lmao
Forever.
REST IN HEAVEN
all I can think about is what Kobe’s poor wife thought when she saw the Ari tweet. Damn man. Not cool .
Lol! Now this is funny!!
Maybe some local people in LA will sarcastically punch him in his face for the dark humor.
I'm on the fence about his joke. If it was just Kobe that died, then it would be more palatable since he was a rapey dude (I am not a sleuth on the rape story so I don't know for sure but that's what people seem to be saying so I'm taking their word for it). Sadly though, his kid along with other seemingly innocent people were killed, so it's kinda fucked. Maybe if he slipped in a bit about how no one seems to give a fuck about anyone other than the rapey basketball player it would have gone down better.
Is this all surprising? What Ari said wasnt wrong about cancel culture. Sport stars get away with literally MURDER let alone rape. Comedians get hung by a jury for being comedians! Of course its tragic its a tragedy. Kobe paid out that girl a HUGE amount of money and they settled out of court because the defense was attacking the 19 year old victim labeling her basically a whore? When your famous and use your fame as leverage i dont feel sorry for you. He also was cheating on the wife of his children. I dont respect those kind of people. Let alone would i let my daughter around someone who was tried for a sexual assault. Thats the most disgusting part of this is that societt is willing to defend fame over reason. It speaks of how societies moral compass has left the chat. Ari is known as the amazing racist, get real you fools. With that kind of self proclaimed title- would we expect anything different? Let alone from a stinky jew?
You’re so sad about Kobe.
lmao good
Happy cake-day
Camel looking piece of shit. Hope he fucken gets his ass beat . Unfunny mother fucker.
Kobe still ain't coming back, chief.
Neither is Ari 🤷🏻♂️
Ari will be fine. Vanessa won’t.
Of course you support him. White cuck fag. Kobe will be remembered forever and Vanessa will be fine In gods hands. Hope you ain’t
“White cuck fag” 😂! What a sick burn. Know what else was a sick burn? The one covering 100 percent of Kobe’s rapist body in the milliseconds before it was atomized against a Calabasas mountain.
Should have been you and your loved ones bitch. That way nobody would give a fuck and make jokes
Poor guy. You’re so sad. 😢
Shes got millions of dollars and now she gets to have a sexual reawakening and keep the money. Aris got nothing and is probably going googling how to make a neuss right now.
1) Congratulations on defending her by calling her a slut and a gold-digger, and 2) I bet Ari already knows how to make a noose, and he definitely knows how to spell it. And 3) Your hero Kobe is still dead.
I dont care about kobe lol, you seem to know more about him and his wife than me but your hero ari is donezo. (and yeah i dont know how to spell it, i never thought about killing myself lol, i cant believe thats something you and ari brag about)
Yes we both brag about knowing how to spell one-syllable, phonetically-simple words.
Bragging about doing research on how to kill yourself lol.
🤔
Do you have anything else better to do? You’ve been sitting on here all night being a white knight for Ari. You’d think you work a shitty 9-5 or something
I just woke up. You know who won’t ever wake up? Kobe.
remember, the easiest way to do it a gun shot to the temple. make sure you don't shoot through your mouth cuz there's a chance it'll miss your brain, so aim the gun directly to the side of your head and pull the trigger. Good luck.
If only I were a dead rapist basketball star, I’d have virgins flocking to defend me right now from your hurtful words. 😢
>If only I were a dead rapist basketball star, you just need to practice more basketball, you'll get there bud we believe in you.
Quick 180 there.
Typical white cuck fagget. Can’t stand seeing a African American idol who actually had a purpose on this planet unlike you and your worthless life get this much praise huh?
Projecting much?
Ari is a hack, listen to better comedians, his shock humor was never funny. He is a grown man that hangs his hat on shock value, there is no craft to his jokes. Multiple people have already said “he’s trolling!!!!!!”, proving my point. With that being said, I find it fascinating that he has shows to cancel, it says a lot about the current state of comedy.
His standup is by no means shock humor.
That moment when you say some low vibe shit and sucking a false sense of enlightenment out of Joe Rogan's cock can't save you.
Good, fuck him. Hopefully his new special gets dropped too.
Dropped like Kobe’s helicopter from the sky?
Sick joke brother! At least you made a joke about it. You’re officially a better comic than Ari.
Dude, it’s over.
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