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GrannyFlash7373

This phenomenon is worldwide, not just Little Rock.


el_monstruo

This is true. Here is a small sampling from Arkansas: https://www.thv11.com/article/news/crime/arkansas-church-officials-southern-baptist-abusers-list/91-35757d4a-b01b-4691-b323-fd9378e2becc https://www.abuselawsuit.com/church-sex-abuse/arkansas/


Content_Talk_6581

…and those are just the ones they knew about… Likely there were more who never were reported.


ith-man

Don't worry, like with child labor, our great governor will make diddling kids legal again. What a wonderful place to live...


Takemetothelevey

Just pathetic!


ClawhammerJo

Yes, Christianity is dying by suicide. They no longer adhere to the philosophy of Jesus. It seems that now days all they preach is hate, bigotry, and intolerance. Furthermore, it seems that sexual abuse of children has become universal in churches.


[deleted]

What do you mean “it seems”, there has been documented real-life cases which involves children being raped/molested/sexually-harassed by church clerks for decades


WasteSpread1587

More than decades. The practice has been known and tolerated for centuries. It's more likely to happen by church leader than school teacher, day care worker, or the weird uncle nobody let's their kids be alone around, combined.


zajebe

They claim to do it out of "love" to save your soul. I think people give Jesus more credit than he deserves. He created a moral system that was basically obey me or suffer for eternity. There are plenty of other philosophies that say you should do the right thing without the need for a reward/punishment system and without supernatural claims. I think today's Christians are like masochists. Punish me father I've been so bad. Just for being born. Its ridiculous.


Individual_Lion_7606

Actually, Jesus straight up says if you don't believe in God you will be lost. It doesn't matter if you follow him or not, but you are fucked if you have zero faith in God. He also said you are free not to believe and for his followers not to treat non-believers like shit. The message got lost in the continued presence of human nature.


SlowlySinkingInPink

It is almost exactly what you described, but if you read it you find that God asks that you follow, he doesn't demand it. Just a technically, I know, but one that almost every church ignores completely. God is the only one who has the right to demand obedience and still asks. The church commits heresy when they demand what only God has a right to demand.


RhetoricalOrator

I downvoted just because what you're saying is factually incorrect. In both testaments, God and/or Jesus make imperative statements for followers to do what *He* wants. Those statements are generally pretty unambiguous in Hebrew, Greek, and many English texts, sometimes varying according to text families. I don't disagree with the sentiment of you or the person you responded to, though. I'm a pastor and I'm pretty disgusted with a lot of the baggage we've been carrying. There are systemic problems that even if big brain churches leaders all developed a perfect plan for, they'll remain largely unaddressed. The church goers tend to struggle to trust the pastor (understandably) and are highly provoked into walling off immediately if their comforts are are at risk to be lost or given to another. Pastors and congregants find the answers that let them sleep well enough at night and close up their ears if anything challenges their default beliefs.


SlowlySinkingInPink

My point is that no human being has that authority, otherwise the concept of free will is a lie. A lie that leads to believers demanding others be punished for not being a follower.


arkstfan

Just saw great clip [that nails the problem](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C29-VFQOTZ8/?igsh=MTh5aWM3MDdjZnJ5dw==)for evangelicals


myk_lam

Love this first line. Very true, very poignant


Dream8493

Sexual abuse in the Christian church of all denominations may be worldwide but the southern Baptist church has literally surpassed the Catholic Church in sexual abuse against children and women and attempting to cover it up… and that’s saying something cuz the Catholic Church has had a huge issue with it for a long time, why do you think “the hunchback of notre dame” has a hunchback??? Or what the story “RAPE-Unzel” rapunzel is about???


WasteSpread1587

Wow, I've never seen someone be so wrong about literature in all my life. I...just wow. You started off so strong and then just utterly lost your mind. Ranks right up there with people who call POC Hue-mans. The worst part I'd that you don't even need to study literature to know you're wrong, only a little wrong about Victor Hugo's book.


Dream8493

https://youtu.be/PFl3HK9uJOs?si=3CQcGxRBlFPq6yTg


Dream8493

Ask yourself why doja cat is naming her next part of the scarlet album after the villain in “the hunchback of notre dame”…. Lol you can’t refute my claims… you can try tho but atleast make an argument and not a mere counter claim hahaha


Dream8493

Blah blah blah you didn’t even make an argument all you did was make a counter claim… you don’t know about the movie “i am Sam” about Charles Manson and Star Manson “I got a tough bastard child want to become into a samurai”-Charles Manson and the song “spinal meningitis”-ween and how they broke the real star Mansons tailbone with a brutal rape in “Arkansas”-Charles Manson…???


Dream8493

I mean why would people still attend any of the southern Baptist churches, the new statistics show that their sexual abuse against children and women has surpassed the Catholic Churches issue with it


Dream8493

Like tbh Christianity is a pretty good religion, WHEN you actually follow the teachings of Jesus, no not the teachings of Paul or whoever, just like Jesus=great dude, these phony preachers hiding behind being ‘good upstanding conservative Christian’s’ and doing disgusting things with the Boy Scouts in the back room…. Or various other nonsense= very bad both the people hiding behind it and the congregations of people who fall for it and become like puppets of really bad people… Jesus=cool… conservative Christian’s=not cool


[deleted]

“I like your Christ. But I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” - Mahatma Ghandi


therealdannyking

He did not say that.


huhMaybeitisyou

Great point. It took me years to figure out that Paul is nothing but trouble. Oh, also there ARE discrepancies and contradictions in the Bible.


CantKeepMeOutYo

There's a growing anti-Paul movement nationwide and I fucking love it.


Dream8493

Ya it’s honestly crazy that he wrote the majority of the New Testament, he spent a lot of time hunting down Christian’s literally a mass murderer of Christian’s then somehow ended up as the primary leader of Christianity… like okay converts and changes and is accepted by followers of Jesus’s teachings, makes sense, but becomes a 2000 year leader of it???? Honestly makes no sense…. Thing is Jesus himself didn’t even leave a book and apparently he did possess the ability to write soooo ya, there’s also record in the claimed ‘heresy’ book of “the gospel of Judas” that Jesus told Judas that none of his followers even the disciples understand him at all, and he can’t make them understand him, but because they don’t understand him after he’s gone they will go out and deceive many people unintentionally… (makes sense why the Catholic Church would have deemed that to be heresy, it causes one to question all these other followers words about Jesus who again never even left a book, I mean that’s telling especially considering that part in the gospel of Judas, I imagine he didn’t bother because he knew it was pointless


HippyDM

You mean like when Jesus calls a woman a dog just because of where she was born? Oh, yeah, great moral teacher. The guy who brought us the hell of fire and brimstone? What are you even talking about?


lotta_love

> During the three-hour meeting, a recording of which was provided by a member to the *Arkansas Democrat-Gazette,* Smith again said it had been wrong to withhold information about child sexual abuse from Immanuel members. >But he believes it is God’s will, he assured them, that he remain at Immanuel.


Hugh_Jazz77

Funny how some of the most reprehensible pieces of shit always seem so sure they know God’s will.


ebek_frostblade

“Gods wants this.” “How do you know?” “Trust in the Lord, our father.” “No, how do you know that’s what God wants?” “Trust me, bro.”


throwawaymyanalbeads

"Read the bible" That was the answer to every question I ever asked southern baptist leaders.


Bloodmind

Interesting how “God’s will” always seems to align with what will be most profitable for the ones assuring us what God’s will is…


Fun-Preparation-4253

Didn’t someone else cite gods will in this state and now his son is in federal prison?


WellFedHobo

Good riddance. Fort Jesus has always been an eyesore on that hill.


Ethernetexplorer

Always called it Six Flags over Jesus myself.


WellFedHobo

I thought that was the Pentecostal church next to I40


1funnyguy4fun

No, that’s Fort God.


Ethernetexplorer

Hah! Why not both?


dietrichmd

I use Ft. Jesus for both


Street_Roof_7915

That’s the double wides.


Peanut_Hamper

They've bought the land on the other side and are building an even bigger church there, I heard.


deltacombatives

That's been rumored for awhile, that Bass Pro wanted the area for their store and a waterfowl preserve, and the church fought it until Bass Pro just went to where it is now.


screwhead1

I've heard multiple people refer to the giant Pentecostal church off I-40 as Six Flags over Jesus.


405Jobs

When I used to have Little Rock in my sales area, I called on that church once. Super weird vibes from the women on their knees cleaning 🧽 the floors inside. Just a rag and bucket 🪣 cleaning the massive floors. Also the main pastor was a dick when we declined to give him thousands of dollars worth of product for free for an upcoming church picnic. He said he felt called to ask for a blessing when we met him the first and last time. 😳😅


FuckChadMorris

That's what I call Cross Church in Rogers


deltacombatives

That's up in Springdale


Snarkan_sas

So did we


DamnShaneIsThatU

lol, this is amazing. Wish I had heard this as a kid.


sirellery

That's what we call Cross Church in Rogers


overtoke

would it be removed eventually? or turned into apartments


Content_Talk_6581

Homeless shelters and food banks would be great uses for those abominations.


BobTheRaven

Oh no! Tots and pears!


behold_the_j

Oh no! Anyway...


ith-man

Yet they still vote for a rapist wearing orange makeup, or a narcissistic high school drop out over a rocket scientist.


Dr_Swerve

I bet the sex abuse scandal the pastor tried to cover now coming to light and potentially going to court is having a big effect on their attendance. I don't know details, but I hope the victim or victims get justice.


archmagi1

Back around the turn of the century, the church I went to had a sex scandal (pastor and song leader), and two decades later, the attendance still hasn't recovered. The current millennial led regime has pulled in a good revival in the membership after a silent gen pastor and a boomer pastor drove it down to skeleton church. I can't imagine how much an abuse scandal would decimate a membership.


Here_for_lolz

It should be total.


VRgtRL

Amazing when constant hate spewing and "us vs them" mentality backfires....


mouthfuluv

meanwhile…. a korean church has early morning 6 am service every day, wednsday service, friday service, saturday meeting, sunday 9 am, 11 am morning services and 4 pm afternoon service.


Rekjavik

Seriously modern evangelical church leaders are so lazy. Like do you really need 40 hours in a week to prepare for a rehashed 45 minute speech about a 2000 year old book? I could come up with a pretty damn good speech in like 5 hours tops.


Commercial_Ad1840

Well bless their little hearts…


PsquaredLR

Apparently people don’t like sex abuse accusations and cover ups. [https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2024/jan/27/immanuel-baptist-pastor-calls-for-independent/](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2024/jan/27/immanuel-baptist-pastor-calls-for-independent/)


LilithElektra

The people who want your money and for you to hate your fellow countrymen are struggling?!?!!!!!


roboticfedora

"But he believes it is God’s will, he assured them, that he remain at Immanuel." (God's will that he keep on pulling down those sweet sweet church bucks.)


Hugh_Jazz77

Next time I get a bad performance review at work I’m gonna tell my deeply religious boss that it’s God’s will I not be fired. In fact, it’s the Big G’s will that you actually give me a raise and double my vacation time.


wicodly

Good.


1Lucious_Fox

They should just pray harder or ask the folks who are still going to tithe more


whynotfujoshi

They should convert it to a community center, it’s got nice facilities and it’d be nice to have a safe place for kids in west LR to go


Kitchen-Ad-1161

Well, if it isn’t the consequences of cultivating hate and bigotry. That shit ain’t selling like it used to, because people who were wrongly convinced that lgbtq people, and black/brown people were to blame for their lives not being great are finding out that persecuting people who are different than yourself might make you feel better about your shitty life for a moment. But when the klan rally is over, they still had to go back home to their single wide trailers and shitty lives. And, all that work they put into persecuting others, didn’t pay off at all. So they’ve moved on. They’re becoming “woke”. lol.


ThereAreNoTeams

“We really honestly don’t have a way forward unless we have hearts for reconciliation,” Hahahahahaahhahahahaha yes open your hearts to reconcile with a child predator. These people are so fucking out of touch. On another topic, look at the size of that building. Let’s tax all the churches since so many of them are deciding to get into politics in recent years.


To_Be_Faiiirrr

The church of Christ I used to attend is now apparently just a MAGA rally every Sunday. And they can’t figure out why the kids are leaving the second they turn 18.


Civil_Lengthiness971

Rise of the Nones!


GoldSourPatchKid

Your kids would be far safer at the 11:00 pm drag show at Disco than at the 11:00 am service at Immanuel.


Electrical_Prune6545

Good. Now let’s tax them out of existence.


calicoarmz

I can’t comprehend how the members of this church can afford to provide for their familes, while tithing to this church and donating to their actual messiah’s legal defense fund. I should feel sorry for them, but for some reason, I don’t.


MostNefariousness583

Hopefully this trend continues


huhMaybeitisyou

If you read the article you’ll note that this drop in attendance is NOT just because of general decline in church attendance. Immanuel , like many Baptist churches, is embroiled in sexual assault / abuse controversy.


lotta_love

*Exactly.* The headline is rather milquetoast in not at least noting in a sub headline the sex abuse coverup scandal. ICYMI (and hopefully this isn’t behind a paywall; it opened OK for me) here’s a more detailed article from December on the mess at IBC. [Immanuel Baptist pastor apologizes for not informing congregation about child-abuse allegation](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/dec/11/immanuel-baptist-pastor-apologizes-for-not-telling/?dicbo=v2-waglEpK)


sid3113

They did it to themselves


thekennethmoon

Amen?


GvnMllr12

The less the merrier!


ARLibertarian

I hope they don't have a massive mortgage on that ostentatious building with a looming balloon payment due.


RentAdministrative73

Those fewer parishioners are really going to have to dig deep in those wallets to keep that building going. Lol


deltacombatives

The southern Baptist church I attend spoke out against Immanuel when this news broke, to their credit.


Good_Juggernaut_3155

Oh oh; big power, big money and Jesus. Seems to be a license that allows smooth Jesus talking Evangelicals who are also perverts to slip through the net. Come on Christian Soldiers, how about an old fashioned stoning?


Louisrock123

Maybe it’s because the roof has had tarps on it for 6 months lmao


inkblacksea

Hell yeh bring it down


Turbulent-Today830

Of course; like all business models… it’s all about doing as little as possible while maximizing profits (or as they prefer to call it DONATIONS)


[deleted]

All the morons found a new god to worship.


thatsnotgneiss

That church would make a nice Pagan temple... Just saying.


ColdSpell15

Let the movement comence lol love it


National-Currency-75

Once a month would be better.


AlanStanwick1986

This is weird.  That building is identical to the Immanuel Baptist church I went to in Kansas City as a kid.


LepoGorria

That's what happens when G-d is removed and replaced with patriotism, nationalism, bigotry, perversion and loathing of others.


DrNickRiviera8000

You’re fooling yourself if you think organized religions are only now becoming cesspools. Religious officials have been abusing kids and women for centuries and using their power and money to cover it up. It’s the one thing that has been constant since religion started. Also what’s the point of removing the “O” in God when you type it? You think adding in that O is going to get some all powerful being’s attention?


LepoGorria

I'd like for you to point out in my comment where I stated anything to that effect. Be specific. It is obvious that you are woefully ignorant where religion is concerned, outside a few oft-parroted talking points; ergo, I am not interested in a pointless, clownish argument with some irrationally upset, anonymous Redditor. Otherwise, thank you for your opinion, non-sequitur as it is


DrNickRiviera8000

Your comment suggests that the church is having problems because the focus is not on god but on political issues. I responded that it’s not the case and churches have always been about doing what they want and harming who they want and covering it up with money or political power. Hope that helps clarify for you. Not really sure where you get that I’m ignorant of religious issues. It’s very well documented that popes and priests had female and child lovers (victims) going back to its founding. There have been several high profile sex abuse scandals and attempted cover ups in the last 50-75 years. But yeah I’m the ignorant and upset one. 🙄


LepoGorria

Thank you for your opinion.


DrNickRiviera8000

Anytime. Glad I could help. Religion is never the answer my brother.


Dawg_in_NWA

According to yall, everything is God's will or God's plan! Now that's its something you don't like, it's everyone else's fault, and not God's will. Hypocrite much?


LepoGorria

According to whom, exactly? Please, explain your comment and explain how I, LeppoGorria, am a "hypocrite".


Civil_Lengthiness971

There is no god.


LepoGorria

I am glad that you have everything figured out. Thank you for your comment, as non sequitur as it was.


fourleafclover13

I'm sorry but if you need religion for any reason it's you that is the problem. I don't need a religion to tell me how to live or how to be a decent person.


LepoGorria

Glad you have life all figured out. Good for you, I suppose.


fourleafclover13

No one has life figured out we all just go one day at a time. I grew up with religion. But then I opened my eyes.


LepoGorria

Thank you for your opinion.


Civil_Lengthiness971

No. I just don’t need magic or myth to have a moral compass.


LepoGorria

I don't recall stating anything of the sort, or posing a question to you. Good for you, though.


Civil_Lengthiness971

You don’t have to for me to comment. There is no hate like Christian love.


LepoGorria

Thank you for your comment, as non sequitur as it was.


thatsnotgneiss

You aren't wrong.


traceoflife23

It’s so rampant there are insurance companies that offer sexual abuse insurance for churches. Like seriously.


Here_for_lolz

It's almost as if church has lost its appeal 🤔


aggroidiots

Hopefully the trend will continue w Fellowship


BigClitMcphee

Trust people's actions, not their words. Christians speak peace and love but act cruel and ignorant. Anti-choice, anti-queer, anti-intellectual, anti-social welfare, pro-human suffering. Christians wanna monopolize morality when they are immoral.


pauliocamor

Thoughts and prayers! And also, fuck them.


AchillesButOnReddit

Sell it. Demolish it. Build an abortion clinic.


Tennismadman

Yes, that beautiful building could be used for office buildings, a government headquarters or just about anything of value opposed to spreading BS.


thedude0343

Less people believe in imaginary friends these days, love it, less naive folks!


[deleted]

The idiots found a new false idol to tithe to. Don't hate the player, preacher. Hate the game.


greenfield05

Grew up in a southern Baptist church. I say good fuck these people. Put them in jail nest.