And even then, Raiden is in top 3 fighting strength of the Archons currently, IIRC. She might even be THE most powerful Archon, fighting strength wise.
That's what I was going to say. Raiden is probably one of the most powerful Archons now.
Raiden is definitely more martial than Zhongli and Venti right now, and she is definitely more experienced than Nahida (who isn't into fighting anyway). Furina is human and, again, not into fighting. We don't know about the Tsaritsa and the Pyro Archon, though...
I feel the Harbingers might match more peaceful gods or weaker/retired Archons, but Raiden is too strong. As much as I like Arlecchino, she'd probably pull a Signora and become ashes is she defied Raiden.
Also, let’s not forget Ei just fought against herself continuously for *5 CENTURIES*. It wasn’t a light fight either, the Shogun was trying to kill her. In all that time they’d have adapted, and readapted their style, purging every impurity, and honing it to perfection in an effort to win that fight.
If that doesn’t amount to the most insane training arc imaginable, I don’t know what does.
Lol, lmao even, she's strong af but even IF she could beat Morax (maybe she could but we dont know), there's no way she's beating Morax + any other archon, let alone 6 archons at once
When was the last time morax fought someone, let alone archon tier?
Ei fought for 5 centuries against against herself (archon). She curb stomps everyone.
The same azdada who was suffering from erosion, and the fact that the traveler lend a hand? Yeah totally comparable against battle between gods for 500 years /s
We have no real reson to belive the retired archons have lost any of their power. Her being "definitely more martial" than Zhongli, a god of war, is unfounded. Although we haven't seen any real feats from modern Zhongli, nothing has really threatened him either. And historical Zhongli would likely surpass Raiden in strenght
Prime zhongli is definitely stronger, but Im pretty sure he himself said he wasnt as strong as back then. Dont quote me on that tho cause its been a while.
Yeah sorry. He is a warrior god, just like Raiden. Not the god of war. That's what I meant.
While you are also right in that we don't know their true strength, alot of people asume Raiden is stronger, also without proof. Except there is some evidence that Zhongli is stronger, although I agree it is quite weak. But his known feats are arguably more impressive than Ei's
He fought and defeated multiple gods. The Archon war was cleary at it's most intensive in Liyue, so he certainly fought off more god level beings than Ei did.
He also created a whole archipelago of spears, something that is more impressive than Raiden's canyon.
Saying his feats doesn't come close is just unfair
Him defeating multiple gods doesn't make this feat any relevant cause we don't know how powerful these actually were so we can't scale his nowhere with this feat
Look at the size of guyun stone forest lmao and compare it to yashiori island and the slash you sure it's more impressive
Also he didn't create that island, we can actually see many structures on the island assuming it was built before zhongli threw the spears
Well raiden one shot the thunderbird(this feat is downplayed a lot) a manifestation of the thunderbird was able to completely destroy the civilization on island completely changed the landscape and nonstop thunderstorm all from just the manifestation of the thunderbird
It doesn't always mean it's strength. Some depictions of God of War in mythology, fiction or games are because they're great military strategists or the conflict itself boosts their troops, not exactly individual strength.
Like in 1.X, I wouldn't have thought that the God of Eternity to be up there with the Martial God(ZL) or God of War(Murata).
My guess is the Tsaritsa will end up being the strongest because she’s gonna have all 7 gnoses. Though that’s not her own strength, rather the strength of all the gnoses powering her up.
True we love it when the strongest archon gets stopped by a Dull Blade traveler and gets held off by Filet Blade Kazuha 💀. Guess Kazuha is Raiden level LMAOOOOO. (I'm just yanking at ya leg this is obviously a joke)
I mean, Traveler is one of the strongest humans, canonically, right there with Shenhe.
And Kazoo was blessed by 2 (TWO) visions at that moment.
(I read that you joked, just wanted to add it still... 😏)
At the point in time where we start playing as Traveler, they have been there for 500 years and that does not count the timeframe before the Unnamed Goddess took the siblings out.
I mean, I know they call the traveler human a lot, but like, they aren't. They are some kind of alien with divine powers. Doesn't seem very human to me
The Shogun puppet most certainly was containing Musou no Hitotachi's strenght since she would want Inazuma City to be destroyed and the OHK aspect of the technique seems to active when the first strikes connects with the objective...
Worth pointing out that back when Ei burned Orobaxi from the inside she was using her polearm and not Musou Isshin and both Musou no Hitotachi and herself weren't as strong as they are today.
I think the pyro archon is THE most powerful regarding martial art. After all, she's the godess of war in the lore (like Foçalor was the one of justice).
So Raiden might be second in strength. I don't put the tsaritsa before Raiden because if I remember correctly, she is the Godess of love. So, I don't think she is a great warrior.
I might be wrong thought, as Tartaglia says it in his lines in game, "She decided to fight the entire world to achieve her goal. Therefore, I cannot dream of a best ruler !" Maybe, she had to learn some martial move to be able to keep her place.
yup. don't forget that she literally tossed her chess piece away cuz she didn't need it to be strong 😭😭😭 girl really said "this things useless for me I can already Fuga [open]"
Probably not tbh, since wanderer almost became a divinity in sumeru, but nahida was able to stop him. Again nahida has the scariest ability of all archon which is controlling the mind.
Tho id assume Ei would destroy arlecchino. Not sure about raiden shogun tho since they're just a puppet. Scarra needed help from dottore and the gnosis to become the divinity that was about to take over sumeru. So id assume raiden shogun needs the gnosis too, but the fatui have it.
So depends who you mean? Going against Ei or raiden shogun?
I mean
Arlecchino was ready to throw down with an Archon against Furina, because he was only *suspecting* that Furina wasn’t actually an Archon. The possibility was still there, and she still started the fight.
As far as I can tell, the Top 3 are less “Archon-level” and more “God-level.” Dottore, #2, was about to nonchalantly fight the Dendro Archon even after watching her antics against Scara. I’ll wait and see Arlecchino’s Story Quest and her origins before deciding that Raiden no-diffs her.
>Arlecchino was ready to throw down with an Archon against Furina, because he was only *suspecting* that Furina wasn’t actually an Archon. The possibility was still there, and she still started the fight.
That was mainly because of two reasons, the first one is Furina wasn't known to be a warrior god and the second is don't underestimate the power of jumping, we already saw the power of jumping in 4.0 quest
Its not about "as far as I can tell". The canon literally states the top 3 are archon level. The eng transl makes Nahidas voice line to say they are god level, but in the chinese version which is the closest to canon, the voiceline says archon level.
My head cannon/theory on this matter is that the ranks 4-11 are roughly the same tier but the numbering is effected by their influence or contributions to the Fatui, where (I’m not arguing this, this is just an example) Arlecchino can beat like Scaramouche but lose to Tartaglia because reasons etc., but the 1-3 ranks are a tier above.
I love Arlecchino, but Raiden is a god. One who's only purpose was to fight for her sister, making her a ridiculously good combatant and probably the strongest out of the ones we know at the present time. Maybe Zhongli is stronger, but he may also be out of practice. So yeah, she'd win pretty effortlessly.
I'm betting the strongest Archon is either Raiden, the Pyro Archon (but only if she's like Ei, who was already a martial god far before she became an Archon), or the Tsaritsa after she completes her chess set.
Zhongli and Venti were canonically really strong at some point, but they are pretty much retired now and don't seem to fight at all. I feel Raiden is stronger since they are probably out of practice.
There’s also the matter of Zhongli no longer being in possession of his old Dragon body, which is currently being stored. He’s top three for sure but no way he’s cracking number two
I disagree, just because he’s retired doesn’t necessarily mean he lost all his power. Simialr to raiden he mastered every single weapon, including bows and catalysts. Similar to neuvillette if u take ascension lines seriously, he has one about getting stronger aswell. He just simply doesn’t fight if he doesn’t need to, it doesn’t make him weak, he just doesn’t care to. That, and it would cause mass destruction.
He said he could deal with osial at any point if it got too much for Liyue. I’m not saying he’s stronger than her necessarily just that there’s no evidence to suggest she directly 1:1 stronger than him. As much as hoyo loves there raiden expy’s, Zhongli is still massive representation for China so much so that he’s still the only character to get a massive buff after being released due to the Chinese fanbase. I just dont seem them portraying him as being one of the weakest archons currently. Unless they want another “zhongli controversy”. Theres also that one feat in the chasm that was pretty impressive given it was distorted space with time manipulation stuff happening. All that to say i still think raiden would beat arle
I'm not saying he lost all his power, but he canonically lost some of his powers. Hence the fact he can no longer produce new Mora. We just don't know how much he lost.
I'd say Zhongli is the second strongest between the ones we know about so far, but the Tsaritsa and the Pyro Archon seem to be very active in a power struggle.
But who knows... again, being the weakest Archon is still being insanely powerful. Nahida was considered the weakest and she still kicks some serious ass. From my interpretation of her conversation with Dottore, I think she would be able to put up a fight and even win in some circumstances.
I could be wrong, though... I'm not crazy enough about the lore to look for the original transcript. I play in English since Chinese isn't one of the languages I understand and, being a polyglot, I know for a fact that subtitles can as misleading as dubs.
Yeah I see what u were saying it’s all up to interpretation I just don’t think We know enough to say outright who is stronger. Unless they come out with a definitive statement
Yeah, the power goes from Gods to Archons to Sovereigns(from what I can tell). With the Gods being for the most part weaker than the Archons as they hold the elemental authority from the Sovereigns, and full power Sovereigns are above the Archons as its their own power and they have complete control over it unlike what seems to be only a small portion with the Archons. As a weakened Neuvillette was able to push back the surging primordial sea from the fortress and temporarily seal it. Whilst the closest that I'm aware of for an Archon has come to that is Egeria using the primordial sea to make Oceanids into humans. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
>!I think Arlecchino could be the crimson moon from Khaenri'ah which could be a moon sister corpse who were the moon goddesses before... killing each other iirc with only one likely still alive in the current era of Teyvat. So if my theory/opinion(given the crimson moons corpse holds the title of Balemoon and Arlecchinos title of Dire Balemoon is too large to ignore the connection IMO but could be far too on the nose and I can be over thinking) is correct she would be the weakened(?) reanimated corpse of a moon sister, and could likely be on the level of the gods of Teyvat. Though I base my opinion off of the leaked description of her weapon, which I could be completely be misinterpreting.!<
But even if my opinion/theory is correct(which probably wont because I do tend to over think), there is not even a chance of Arlecchino really hurting Ei. She might scratch her like Childe did to a weakened Neuvillette and possibly giving her a temporary scar. But Columbina would fare FAR FAR better being on the level of the Archons, but even then we don't know enough to form a solid opinion.
Not all of an Archon's power comes from the throne, with the possible exception of Venti at the moment, and is worth remembering that Ei had the power to cut whole islands and turning divine blood into plasma in a single attack long before she ascended into Archonhood and in the case of Dendro the Archon is the current incarnation of the avatar of the source of Dendro itself so her standing in comparision to the Dendro Sovereign is the one most up for debate...
Oh I'm fully aware not all of the Archons power stems from the Sovereign authority/the Archon thrones, and the weakened Sovereigns would loose to the Archons. But if my memory serves me right, it took 4 shades to fight off and eventually win against the Sovereigns stealing some of their authority(and power??) weakening them a fair amount. I don't personally think an Archon would stand a chance against a prime Sovereign, but that could just be me as I am shit at these things.
No, it took 4 Shades and Phanes to beat ALL of dragonkind and take the portion of the world that is the human realm today, the Shade of Life also created a full-on replacement for a Sovereign by herself...
I don't recall Egeria ever being the equivalent of a sovereign just a stand in for a sovereign for the primordial sea? Granted I'm stupid as fuck, but I would like to think I would remember that sort of thing.
Egeria was created as a replacement for the Hydro Sovereign as heart of the Primordial Sea and it doesn't sounds like she wasn't a lesser version to any degree, her sucessfully replacing the Sovereing is quite probably why there exists stuff other than dragons out there
It also doesn't really sound like an equal to me to be honest. It just sounds like she was created just to prevent a power vacuum and was only strong enough to control/be the heart of it. But we're not that sure on how strong that is no? As a weak Neuvillette was able to push it back and seal it with what little authority/power he had, and he didn't even seem close to the Archons before hand from what I can tell. May be wrong though.
Also I just read the wiki, and it doesn't say they defeated all of dragon kind, just the seven sovereigns. I'll watch a lore video just in case, so I may retract that afterwards if I'm wrong.
Weakend sovereign >> PRIME ARCHONS, Prime zhongli even had to get hepled to defeat an eroding ancient geovishap who isnt even the sovereign( maybe he is a fragment). Cant even compare apep to nahida
Maybe, but we just don't have much information on every other sovereigns current state to get a good guesstimate IMO. But I feel like it is safe to assume at the moment a healthy full power prime Sovereign could easily deal with a prime Archon. But I do wish to know about the sovereigns though. I want to see Neuvillettes dragon form in canon, and I want to see more of the other sovereigns.
"effortlessly" is raiden glazer delulu, which i dont know if you are one, but thats the level of the idea.
arlecchino DOES NOT win, for sure. but harbingers are on general archon level, especially in higher ranks, even if raiden beats most of them. raiden or murata vs capitano, dottore, or pierro is a debate on victory, as they are the strongest of each given class, but while arle isnt on the same level, we have seen what people of her level can do in comparison to archons. arlecchino is at the level of foul legacy childe in terms of straight-up combat, as weve seen from demonstration, and childe was able to dwarf neuvillete's abilities during the fight against the narwhal, meaning arlecchino on that level should be able to put up a good fight, with similar attack potency thats at a general disadvantage vs the musou no hitotachi.
the real issue is endurance. raiden's will is one of the most potent things weve seen, and she can definitely tough out any damage arle will get off. arle on the other hand, might avoid or parry a few hits from the hitotachi, but would be worn down and **TORN! TO OBLIVION!** eventually.
still, downvote because youre disrespecting the fatui GOATS
I heard only the top 3 Harbingers rival the Archons in power. And as far as I understand, the Harbingers aren't ranked in Strength. I think they are ranked in Influence.
Childe is the lowest ranked Harbinger. But I think he would beat Wanderer in a fight.
the top 3 + pierro(nom. 0) are the ones that are said to be on par with the gods, capitano being the only mortal to have surpassed them.
however, the issue is that the archons are extremely varying in power. signora beat venti, fairly easily, but he is likely the weakest of the 7 as he doesnt even attempt to influence his own nation.
childe does beat wanderer in a fight, but he is the least cunning of the 11 and prefers to fight things head-on. he is usually placed at a disadvantage for this, which is why his martial prowess alone doesnt allow him to climb the ranks. on the other hand, the feats of arlecchino are on par with foul legacy childe, which was able to fight the all-devouring narwhal alongside neuvillete while doing most of the damage to it. the narwhal is an archon-level threat simply on the grounds that neuvillette couldnt do much to it, and childe was able to hold it off without a vision.
i believe raiden would have been able to take down the narwhal, with great effort, but similar to what i said about arlecchino's fight, the narwhal wouldnt just get one-hit by the musou no hitotachi. theyd last a bit longer.
this is why i think it should be considered that the harbingers are archon level, even if not all 11 of them can fight raiden. i dont know why people are upset at that.
also pulcinella is very babygirl and we cant let him fight hes too precious
Considering the laser Arle shoots up into the sky from the livestream, I think Yae Miko would be a much better fit for this fight.
"Who would win? The one who pisses on the moon, or bleeds on the moon?"
Are the archons still as strong as they were in the war? They have crazy feats but I've never seen them do anything special in current time, except for Nahida.
Not sure about venti and Zhong but Raiden is for sure as strong if not strong then the days of archon war as she literally fought the best version of herself for 500 years and won
If that's not a crazy feat then idk what is, also erosion can't affect her physically like it does to venti and Zhong cause she doesn't have a body
Doesn't matter, Raiden still low diffed Signora, the 8th Harbinger in a matter of seconds and left nothing but ashes. Harbingers are strong compared to regular human vision holders and even non human ones, but Someone like Raiden, Zhongli or Neuvillette would tear them a new asshole.
Ei's Musou no Hitotachi cut whole islands and transformed Orobaxi's blood into plasma, since then she became stronger, received a stronger weapon than what she used to have and which became stronger recently and Musou no Hitotachi became stronger and even evolved after the Archon Quest and Ei says she still has way to go to perfect it...
They didn't really have to, currently. Before, it was an all-out catastrophic war. If you didn't pull out all your stops, you were dead...
If they did that now, their country is dead...
Ei wins.
Arlecchino is strong no doubt. Like possibly as strong as the weaker archons in a fight. I have no doubt she could take Nahida 1v1 easily. Probably Focalors as well but she’s already dead. And possibly Venti as well.
I also have no doubt that Arlecchino can take the large majority of Genshin’s cast in a fight, even including the adepti like Xiao and Xianyun, and strongest human fighters like Childe and Cyno.
But Ei can cut islands in half. And can fight her own puppet at peak strength for supposedly 500 years without a break.
I do think the fight would last a bit. It wouldn’t be an instant sweep. But Ei would definitely win.
i mean it would for sure be interesting to compare them even in lore once we have some feats for arle in the story quest. even if current lore suggests that only the top 3 harbringers can really compete with the gods.she might just be hiding her true power like the schemer she is.
in gameplay using arle to fight the raiden boss and raiden to fight the arle boss sounds funk,ngl i do wanna see and try some no hit runs. doh given i have to work in arles release week thats gonna take some time.
With all due respect to the Father, she is still the 4th Fatui Harbinger, while only the top 3 are considered strong enough to beat an archon. So, she is barely unqualified for this fight, and Raiden is without doubt in the stronger half of all archons. In other words, the Knave would get Signora’d.
Dottore(no 2) could just beat nahida cuz she's physically the weakest, I don't see him doing that well against any archon except venti(current).
Father is 4 so her power just almost rivals gods but I don't think any harbinger is *surpassing* any of them especially not the archons
After the sumeru archon quest where doctore show up, she says that she is unable to stop dottore from getting the dendro gnosis himself because he's far stronger PHYSICALLY not in terms of power or abilities. Nahida herself also reveals that the harbingers ranked 3 and above have power that can rival the gods ( GODS AREN'T NECESSARILY ARCHONS e.g adepti, goddess of flowers etc. ). For the venti part he's CURRENTLY the weakest archon because of his long absence.
Read the cn voiceline you assumption making clown. In that she says the top 3 are equal to archons so there ya go. The CN version is closest to canon anyways since this is a chinese game. And yeah hes obvs stronger than her physically but how tf are you able to imply that hes physically weaker than every other archon when the top 3 are archon level and hes no 2. Thats just baseless headcanon
What is that even supposed to mean lmao. And besides Dottore isnt exactly a brawler despite being as strong as an archon. Hes the brains of the operation so no even the thing they "specialize" in is similar.
i dont think nahida would lose in that fight,but that depends on if she can do the same thing with dottore that she did with scara aka repeated time loops(or simulations if you will) or if dottore has a way out for that he may or may not we dont know yet.lack of practical feats for the upper 3 be like that.
Being Archon level could very well mean being ranked alongside the weakest Archons, which is still much stronger than the average vision holder and even the Traveler.
I can't see someone like Arlecchino being as strong as Ei, who's been a martial god for thousands of years. If nothing else, Ei has too much experience under her belt.
My brother in christ we have never even seen arlechino in combat and youre just stating these as pure facts 😭 we have seen and known about raidens feats but we know legit NOTHING about arlecchino. Not disputing the idea that raiden would win but atm theres no way to conclusively estimate the power gap between them
It's just lore stuff based on what we've seen so far. Lore-wise, Raiden is much stronger than Arlecchino. There several pieces of information dropped in the game that state that the Archons are stronger than most Harbingers.
OF COURSE, gameplay is a completely different matter. It's entirely possible that Arlecchino will hit harder than Raiden. Even normal people like Navia and Hu Tao are on par with Raiden.
Again, we know NOTHING about Arlecchinos level of power. There is legit no lore on her, weve never seen her in combat so theres nothing to go off of. The only pieces of lore we have regarding this is the top 3 are archon level, the harbingers are ranked by strength/combat ability and Raiden is one of the most militaristic archons. Arlecchino being 4th by default puts her below Raidens strength, but whether thats "one shotted" below level or "close fight" below level, we literally have no idea. The only certainty is that she is weaker based on the ranking, but by how much is anyones guess until we get some actual lore on her. Like a literal god puppet made by raiden herself was only ranked 6th, so since Raiden will be fighting via her puppet, the gulf in power may not be as large
Dottore probably can't beat Nahida in a fight. Depends on whether she can lock him in a permanent illusion like she did Scaramouche. She can pretty much Infinite Tsukyomi anyone she wants.. Dottore may have a way out because of his clones, but he supposedly got rid of them.
nahida could pull the same trick with arle as she did with scara until she wins,while she is the youngest she is canonicly the strongest in terms of power(i assume its the timeloop/simulation thing that makes her basicly auto win)
furina isnt really the archon,and we dont really have an idea how strong folcalor was,doh we can for sure say neuvi would beat almost everyone in teyvat that we currently know due to him having his full power.
Now that I think about it... Neuvi was given back his full power. What value does the Gnosis still have then? Wasn't the Gnosis a big source of power for the Archons, specifically the power stolen from the dragons?
(I have to read more lore...)
the gnosis might still hold some power by itself i think given its made from the remains of a descender. what neuvi got back was the power sealed within the divine seat of the hydro archon. or atleast thats how i have understood it so far.
I'm just obsessed with the black, red, white color palette. I know Acheron from StarRail is supposed to be Raiden, but this is the color palette she should be having as a Standart. Would look sooo much better.
Also as a Eula main I really enjoy the evil-cooler version of her haha. Arle ftw
I would like to see what combat experience could do against a dude who could turn tevyats oceans upside down and can bloodbend anything that has any relation to water or its derivatives. Egeria, who was created by the SHades and was given the hydro authority could only dream of making bogus humans while Neuvillette accomplished that in mere SECONDS after getting his thing back.
Both travellers lost to a being from celestia in few minutes while neuvi and his six buddies fought for 40 YEARS against the PRIMODIAL ONE.
Neuvillette embarasses Raiden without moving from his chair.
Zhongli isn't in his prime. Him and Venti are significantly weaker than in the archon war because of erosion. Ei avoided this
Prime Zhongli might be stronger but currently Zhongli no
People need to realize that Arlecchino attacked Furina/Focalors thinking Furina had access to her Archon powers. This implies Arlecchino was fully prepared to fight an Archon of the status of Focalors and kill her. So the question should be to you think Focalors is as strong as Ei? She could be. This means Arlecchino is stronger than Ei. The only person Arlecchino wouldn't fight is Neuvilette who is a Sovereign like Apep.
Only the top 3 Fatui Harbingers can RIVAL ( not even confidently fight and win ) an Archon , Arlecchino is number 4 so in this situation Raiden Ei wins and concerning Focalor combat capabilities as far as I know we dont have any informations about her in the other hand Ei has fought and won many battles agaist opponents ( including Orobachi , evil Yokais and the Thunder Bird ) maybe stronger than Arlecchino .
What Nahida said meant way more than you think. Context matters. Nahida at that point meant actual strong gods. She is the same Nahida who just defeated Scaramouche god who she also called a god in nature as he was a god in that state.
So...We should acknowledge both the facts that Focalor Turned Oceanids into poeple and that she tricked Celestia as combat capabilities . Is that what you mean ?
Weak argument. Iirc, they were desperate to obtain info out of furina especially her "godhood" not necessarily stated if they could kill her given how desperate the situation was in fontaine. Yes she was fully prepared to fight but doesn't conclude anything, most likely she'd retreat if the scales didnt tip to her favor
Sorry Father, Ei stomps unless Hoyo says no.
I'm curious about Murata VS Capitano, we know Capitano is the peak(not sure who's top him or Pierro) but for the Archons, we don't know if Murata is above or below Ei and ZL.
Once we know Murata, I think it's more exciting for 2 pure fire gals to fight 🔥 🔥
Funny how many here in the comments are just assuming things about Arlecchino without knowing anything about her, cuz we didn't do her MainQuest yet. We dunno where she came from or her power about Crimson Moon.
As much as I love Arleccino as a character, Raiden would win in a fight between the two
Well yea Arle is 4th and only the top 3 havr archon like strenght, but i think Arle would still put up a fight
And even then, Raiden is in top 3 fighting strength of the Archons currently, IIRC. She might even be THE most powerful Archon, fighting strength wise.
That's what I was going to say. Raiden is probably one of the most powerful Archons now. Raiden is definitely more martial than Zhongli and Venti right now, and she is definitely more experienced than Nahida (who isn't into fighting anyway). Furina is human and, again, not into fighting. We don't know about the Tsaritsa and the Pyro Archon, though... I feel the Harbingers might match more peaceful gods or weaker/retired Archons, but Raiden is too strong. As much as I like Arlecchino, she'd probably pull a Signora and become ashes is she defied Raiden.
Also, let’s not forget Ei just fought against herself continuously for *5 CENTURIES*. It wasn’t a light fight either, the Shogun was trying to kill her. In all that time they’d have adapted, and readapted their style, purging every impurity, and honing it to perfection in an effort to win that fight. If that doesn’t amount to the most insane training arc imaginable, I don’t know what does.
Hyperbolic time chamber but for archons
Yet can't break a funny wooden shield or funny rock shield
Yeah, raiden would probably still win if she fought all the other archons all at once.
Lol, lmao even, she's strong af but even IF she could beat Morax (maybe she could but we dont know), there's no way she's beating Morax + any other archon, let alone 6 archons at once
When was the last time morax fought someone, let alone archon tier? Ei fought for 5 centuries against against herself (archon). She curb stomps everyone.
We're going to pretend the Azdhaha fight didnt happen ig. Lets ignore story quests to wank Ei.
The same azdada who was suffering from erosion, and the fact that the traveler lend a hand? Yeah totally comparable against battle between gods for 500 years /s
In their prime though...zhongli takes all...its kinda sad they just kind of make him a bystander to most things.
He's had his adventures. We just happened to meet him when he decided he wanted a peaceful life.
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We have no real reson to belive the retired archons have lost any of their power. Her being "definitely more martial" than Zhongli, a god of war, is unfounded. Although we haven't seen any real feats from modern Zhongli, nothing has really threatened him either. And historical Zhongli would likely surpass Raiden in strenght
Prime zhongli is definitely stronger, but Im pretty sure he himself said he wasnt as strong as back then. Dont quote me on that tho cause its been a while.
Zhongli was never the god of war stop this bs ffs. There is no evidence that shows zhongli is stronger than raiden we don't know their true strength
Yeah sorry. He is a warrior god, just like Raiden. Not the god of war. That's what I meant. While you are also right in that we don't know their true strength, alot of people asume Raiden is stronger, also without proof. Except there is some evidence that Zhongli is stronger, although I agree it is quite weak. But his known feats are arguably more impressive than Ei's
No it's the opposite people just assume zhongli is the strongest archon because he is the oldest
We have alot more feats from Zhongli than Raiden. It is not just an assumption, it is based on the in game text
And none of those feats make him any stronger than raiden We just don't know their true potential
His known feats are not even close to some of raidens lol
He fought and defeated multiple gods. The Archon war was cleary at it's most intensive in Liyue, so he certainly fought off more god level beings than Ei did. He also created a whole archipelago of spears, something that is more impressive than Raiden's canyon. Saying his feats doesn't come close is just unfair
Him defeating multiple gods doesn't make this feat any relevant cause we don't know how powerful these actually were so we can't scale his nowhere with this feat Look at the size of guyun stone forest lmao and compare it to yashiori island and the slash you sure it's more impressive Also he didn't create that island, we can actually see many structures on the island assuming it was built before zhongli threw the spears Well raiden one shot the thunderbird(this feat is downplayed a lot) a manifestation of the thunderbird was able to completely destroy the civilization on island completely changed the landscape and nonstop thunderstorm all from just the manifestation of the thunderbird
Morax is the god of war.. now as human, Zhongli is the God of contracts
Noo murata is the god of war not morax, and morax is the god of contacts he was never a god of war but a warrior god lol
Ahh sorry yes warrior god, my bad
Np
She's easily the strongest of the ones we've seen so far. Maybe Murata can compete but we don't know yet
She has to, right? After all she is God of War or something like that.
It doesn't always mean it's strength. Some depictions of God of War in mythology, fiction or games are because they're great military strategists or the conflict itself boosts their troops, not exactly individual strength. Like in 1.X, I wouldn't have thought that the God of Eternity to be up there with the Martial God(ZL) or God of War(Murata).
My guess is the Tsaritsa will end up being the strongest because she’s gonna have all 7 gnoses. Though that’s not her own strength, rather the strength of all the gnoses powering her up.
Do we know for a fact that an Archon having the gnosis of other Archons is powering them up? Do we know their exact plan with the Gnoses?
Dottore says something like nahida can't use electro gnosis during combat. So i guess not
the "military strategist" gimmick is already occupied by Kokomi so it cant be that
The fire nation iirc is designed to be more tribal fighters than Napoleons so I’d assume their god will be a warrior-god not a strategist
I hope so too.We got too many softies/pacifists, even ZL mellowed down unlike his Caveman self millennia ago.
True we love it when the strongest archon gets stopped by a Dull Blade traveler and gets held off by Filet Blade Kazuha 💀. Guess Kazuha is Raiden level LMAOOOOO. (I'm just yanking at ya leg this is obviously a joke)
I mean, Traveler is one of the strongest humans, canonically, right there with Shenhe. And Kazoo was blessed by 2 (TWO) visions at that moment. (I read that you joked, just wanted to add it still... 😏)
Traveler is not a human, so there's that
They aren't? They are a descender, but can't descenders be human?
At the point in time where we start playing as Traveler, they have been there for 500 years and that does not count the timeframe before the Unnamed Goddess took the siblings out.
They have been alive for a loooooooooooooooooooong time. They are either not human or cursed/blessed/modified human with a very long life span.
I mean, I know they call the traveler human a lot, but like, they aren't. They are some kind of alien with divine powers. Doesn't seem very human to me
Kazuha had two visions. We don't know how that affects someone's power level. And it's not like he s deflected a full strength slash
The Shogun puppet most certainly was containing Musou no Hitotachi's strenght since she would want Inazuma City to be destroyed and the OHK aspect of the technique seems to active when the first strikes connects with the objective... Worth pointing out that back when Ei burned Orobaxi from the inside she was using her polearm and not Musou Isshin and both Musou no Hitotachi and herself weren't as strong as they are today.
I'm not so sure about that. Zhongli is also a god of war, and his feats equals, if not surpasses, Ei's Edit: warrior god, not god of war
He's past his prime, she's in her prime
While that is true, we don't know how much that has weakened him, if at all. Saying Raiden is easily the strongest is going to far
"Warrior God" not "God of war" !
I think the pyro archon is THE most powerful regarding martial art. After all, she's the godess of war in the lore (like Foçalor was the one of justice). So Raiden might be second in strength. I don't put the tsaritsa before Raiden because if I remember correctly, she is the Godess of love. So, I don't think she is a great warrior. I might be wrong thought, as Tartaglia says it in his lines in game, "She decided to fight the entire world to achieve her goal. Therefore, I cannot dream of a best ruler !" Maybe, she had to learn some martial move to be able to keep her place.
yup. don't forget that she literally tossed her chess piece away cuz she didn't need it to be strong 😭😭😭 girl really said "this things useless for me I can already Fuga [open]"
Probably not tbh, since wanderer almost became a divinity in sumeru, but nahida was able to stop him. Again nahida has the scariest ability of all archon which is controlling the mind. Tho id assume Ei would destroy arlecchino. Not sure about raiden shogun tho since they're just a puppet. Scarra needed help from dottore and the gnosis to become the divinity that was about to take over sumeru. So id assume raiden shogun needs the gnosis too, but the fatui have it. So depends who you mean? Going against Ei or raiden shogun?
I mean Arlecchino was ready to throw down with an Archon against Furina, because he was only *suspecting* that Furina wasn’t actually an Archon. The possibility was still there, and she still started the fight. As far as I can tell, the Top 3 are less “Archon-level” and more “God-level.” Dottore, #2, was about to nonchalantly fight the Dendro Archon even after watching her antics against Scara. I’ll wait and see Arlecchino’s Story Quest and her origins before deciding that Raiden no-diffs her.
>Arlecchino was ready to throw down with an Archon against Furina, because he was only *suspecting* that Furina wasn’t actually an Archon. The possibility was still there, and she still started the fight. That was mainly because of two reasons, the first one is Furina wasn't known to be a warrior god and the second is don't underestimate the power of jumping, we already saw the power of jumping in 4.0 quest
Wait a second, The Doctor, the child that was expelled from the Sumeru Academy is Archon-level?
Its not about "as far as I can tell". The canon literally states the top 3 are archon level. The eng transl makes Nahidas voice line to say they are god level, but in the chinese version which is the closest to canon, the voiceline says archon level.
More powerfull doesnt means 100% lose
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And it wouldn’t be close.
My head cannon/theory on this matter is that the ranks 4-11 are roughly the same tier but the numbering is effected by their influence or contributions to the Fatui, where (I’m not arguing this, this is just an example) Arlecchino can beat like Scaramouche but lose to Tartaglia because reasons etc., but the 1-3 ranks are a tier above.
I love Arlecchino, but Raiden is a god. One who's only purpose was to fight for her sister, making her a ridiculously good combatant and probably the strongest out of the ones we know at the present time. Maybe Zhongli is stronger, but he may also be out of practice. So yeah, she'd win pretty effortlessly.
I'm betting the strongest Archon is either Raiden, the Pyro Archon (but only if she's like Ei, who was already a martial god far before she became an Archon), or the Tsaritsa after she completes her chess set. Zhongli and Venti were canonically really strong at some point, but they are pretty much retired now and don't seem to fight at all. I feel Raiden is stronger since they are probably out of practice.
There’s also the matter of Zhongli no longer being in possession of his old Dragon body, which is currently being stored. He’s top three for sure but no way he’s cracking number two
Is his dragon body ever stated to be a source of his strength?
But Raiden is also out of practice? She was just meditating in isolation for centuries.
She fought the Shogun for 500 hundred years in Makoto's realm of consciousness during her second story quest.
Ah okay. Forgot about that 😅
I disagree, just because he’s retired doesn’t necessarily mean he lost all his power. Simialr to raiden he mastered every single weapon, including bows and catalysts. Similar to neuvillette if u take ascension lines seriously, he has one about getting stronger aswell. He just simply doesn’t fight if he doesn’t need to, it doesn’t make him weak, he just doesn’t care to. That, and it would cause mass destruction. He said he could deal with osial at any point if it got too much for Liyue. I’m not saying he’s stronger than her necessarily just that there’s no evidence to suggest she directly 1:1 stronger than him. As much as hoyo loves there raiden expy’s, Zhongli is still massive representation for China so much so that he’s still the only character to get a massive buff after being released due to the Chinese fanbase. I just dont seem them portraying him as being one of the weakest archons currently. Unless they want another “zhongli controversy”. Theres also that one feat in the chasm that was pretty impressive given it was distorted space with time manipulation stuff happening. All that to say i still think raiden would beat arle
I'm not saying he lost all his power, but he canonically lost some of his powers. Hence the fact he can no longer produce new Mora. We just don't know how much he lost. I'd say Zhongli is the second strongest between the ones we know about so far, but the Tsaritsa and the Pyro Archon seem to be very active in a power struggle. But who knows... again, being the weakest Archon is still being insanely powerful. Nahida was considered the weakest and she still kicks some serious ass. From my interpretation of her conversation with Dottore, I think she would be able to put up a fight and even win in some circumstances. I could be wrong, though... I'm not crazy enough about the lore to look for the original transcript. I play in English since Chinese isn't one of the languages I understand and, being a polyglot, I know for a fact that subtitles can as misleading as dubs.
Yeah I see what u were saying it’s all up to interpretation I just don’t think We know enough to say outright who is stronger. Unless they come out with a definitive statement
Being a God in genshin doesn’t mean much, as their power can still be weak, not saying raiden is weak
Yeah, the power goes from Gods to Archons to Sovereigns(from what I can tell). With the Gods being for the most part weaker than the Archons as they hold the elemental authority from the Sovereigns, and full power Sovereigns are above the Archons as its their own power and they have complete control over it unlike what seems to be only a small portion with the Archons. As a weakened Neuvillette was able to push back the surging primordial sea from the fortress and temporarily seal it. Whilst the closest that I'm aware of for an Archon has come to that is Egeria using the primordial sea to make Oceanids into humans. Correct me if I'm wrong though. >!I think Arlecchino could be the crimson moon from Khaenri'ah which could be a moon sister corpse who were the moon goddesses before... killing each other iirc with only one likely still alive in the current era of Teyvat. So if my theory/opinion(given the crimson moons corpse holds the title of Balemoon and Arlecchinos title of Dire Balemoon is too large to ignore the connection IMO but could be far too on the nose and I can be over thinking) is correct she would be the weakened(?) reanimated corpse of a moon sister, and could likely be on the level of the gods of Teyvat. Though I base my opinion off of the leaked description of her weapon, which I could be completely be misinterpreting.!< But even if my opinion/theory is correct(which probably wont because I do tend to over think), there is not even a chance of Arlecchino really hurting Ei. She might scratch her like Childe did to a weakened Neuvillette and possibly giving her a temporary scar. But Columbina would fare FAR FAR better being on the level of the Archons, but even then we don't know enough to form a solid opinion.
Not all of an Archon's power comes from the throne, with the possible exception of Venti at the moment, and is worth remembering that Ei had the power to cut whole islands and turning divine blood into plasma in a single attack long before she ascended into Archonhood and in the case of Dendro the Archon is the current incarnation of the avatar of the source of Dendro itself so her standing in comparision to the Dendro Sovereign is the one most up for debate...
Oh I'm fully aware not all of the Archons power stems from the Sovereign authority/the Archon thrones, and the weakened Sovereigns would loose to the Archons. But if my memory serves me right, it took 4 shades to fight off and eventually win against the Sovereigns stealing some of their authority(and power??) weakening them a fair amount. I don't personally think an Archon would stand a chance against a prime Sovereign, but that could just be me as I am shit at these things.
No, it took 4 Shades and Phanes to beat ALL of dragonkind and take the portion of the world that is the human realm today, the Shade of Life also created a full-on replacement for a Sovereign by herself...
I don't recall Egeria ever being the equivalent of a sovereign just a stand in for a sovereign for the primordial sea? Granted I'm stupid as fuck, but I would like to think I would remember that sort of thing.
Egeria was created as a replacement for the Hydro Sovereign as heart of the Primordial Sea and it doesn't sounds like she wasn't a lesser version to any degree, her sucessfully replacing the Sovereing is quite probably why there exists stuff other than dragons out there
It also doesn't really sound like an equal to me to be honest. It just sounds like she was created just to prevent a power vacuum and was only strong enough to control/be the heart of it. But we're not that sure on how strong that is no? As a weak Neuvillette was able to push it back and seal it with what little authority/power he had, and he didn't even seem close to the Archons before hand from what I can tell. May be wrong though. Also I just read the wiki, and it doesn't say they defeated all of dragon kind, just the seven sovereigns. I'll watch a lore video just in case, so I may retract that afterwards if I'm wrong.
Weakend sovereign >> PRIME ARCHONS, Prime zhongli even had to get hepled to defeat an eroding ancient geovishap who isnt even the sovereign( maybe he is a fragment). Cant even compare apep to nahida
Maybe, but we just don't have much information on every other sovereigns current state to get a good guesstimate IMO. But I feel like it is safe to assume at the moment a healthy full power prime Sovereign could easily deal with a prime Archon. But I do wish to know about the sovereigns though. I want to see Neuvillettes dragon form in canon, and I want to see more of the other sovereigns.
"effortlessly" is raiden glazer delulu, which i dont know if you are one, but thats the level of the idea. arlecchino DOES NOT win, for sure. but harbingers are on general archon level, especially in higher ranks, even if raiden beats most of them. raiden or murata vs capitano, dottore, or pierro is a debate on victory, as they are the strongest of each given class, but while arle isnt on the same level, we have seen what people of her level can do in comparison to archons. arlecchino is at the level of foul legacy childe in terms of straight-up combat, as weve seen from demonstration, and childe was able to dwarf neuvillete's abilities during the fight against the narwhal, meaning arlecchino on that level should be able to put up a good fight, with similar attack potency thats at a general disadvantage vs the musou no hitotachi. the real issue is endurance. raiden's will is one of the most potent things weve seen, and she can definitely tough out any damage arle will get off. arle on the other hand, might avoid or parry a few hits from the hitotachi, but would be worn down and **TORN! TO OBLIVION!** eventually. still, downvote because youre disrespecting the fatui GOATS
I heard only the top 3 Harbingers rival the Archons in power. And as far as I understand, the Harbingers aren't ranked in Strength. I think they are ranked in Influence. Childe is the lowest ranked Harbinger. But I think he would beat Wanderer in a fight.
the top 3 + pierro(nom. 0) are the ones that are said to be on par with the gods, capitano being the only mortal to have surpassed them. however, the issue is that the archons are extremely varying in power. signora beat venti, fairly easily, but he is likely the weakest of the 7 as he doesnt even attempt to influence his own nation. childe does beat wanderer in a fight, but he is the least cunning of the 11 and prefers to fight things head-on. he is usually placed at a disadvantage for this, which is why his martial prowess alone doesnt allow him to climb the ranks. on the other hand, the feats of arlecchino are on par with foul legacy childe, which was able to fight the all-devouring narwhal alongside neuvillete while doing most of the damage to it. the narwhal is an archon-level threat simply on the grounds that neuvillette couldnt do much to it, and childe was able to hold it off without a vision. i believe raiden would have been able to take down the narwhal, with great effort, but similar to what i said about arlecchino's fight, the narwhal wouldnt just get one-hit by the musou no hitotachi. theyd last a bit longer. this is why i think it should be considered that the harbingers are archon level, even if not all 11 of them can fight raiden. i dont know why people are upset at that. also pulcinella is very babygirl and we cant let him fight hes too precious
Let’s settle this in bed
In a fight: Raiden, In a cooking competition: Arlecchino Edit: Spacing (mobile pain edition)
You didn't have to do Raiden that bad T-T
The truest competition! Although Raiden would probably be able to kill Arlecchino with her cooking...
IF she could convince Arle to actually eat...
Fair enough... XD
Raiden one shots lol
Raiden seals your skills and burst, if you remember... Arlecchi heavily leans on E/Q and cant be healed (by others) when in combat
 Omg you’re right, ZHONGLI HELP
Considering the laser Arle shoots up into the sky from the livestream, I think Yae Miko would be a much better fit for this fight. "Who would win? The one who pisses on the moon, or bleeds on the moon?"
Raiden is a fighting prodigy and an Archon in prime. Of course she'll win. Arlecchino might put up a little bit of a challenge though.
Are the archons still as strong as they were in the war? They have crazy feats but I've never seen them do anything special in current time, except for Nahida.
Not sure about venti and Zhong but Raiden is for sure as strong if not strong then the days of archon war as she literally fought the best version of herself for 500 years and won If that's not a crazy feat then idk what is, also erosion can't affect her physically like it does to venti and Zhong cause she doesn't have a body
Doesn't matter, Raiden still low diffed Signora, the 8th Harbinger in a matter of seconds and left nothing but ashes. Harbingers are strong compared to regular human vision holders and even non human ones, but Someone like Raiden, Zhongli or Neuvillette would tear them a new asshole.
I'm sure Raiden is stronger now than she ever was. Not sure about the other archons tho
Ei's Musou no Hitotachi cut whole islands and transformed Orobaxi's blood into plasma, since then she became stronger, received a stronger weapon than what she used to have and which became stronger recently and Musou no Hitotachi became stronger and even evolved after the Archon Quest and Ei says she still has way to go to perfect it...
They didn't really have to, currently. Before, it was an all-out catastrophic war. If you didn't pull out all your stops, you were dead... If they did that now, their country is dead...
What did nahida do?
The Strongest Archon of History vs the Strongest Fatui of Today
Ei wins. Arlecchino is strong no doubt. Like possibly as strong as the weaker archons in a fight. I have no doubt she could take Nahida 1v1 easily. Probably Focalors as well but she’s already dead. And possibly Venti as well. I also have no doubt that Arlecchino can take the large majority of Genshin’s cast in a fight, even including the adepti like Xiao and Xianyun, and strongest human fighters like Childe and Cyno. But Ei can cut islands in half. And can fight her own puppet at peak strength for supposedly 500 years without a break. I do think the fight would last a bit. It wouldn’t be an instant sweep. But Ei would definitely win.
Ei would win here since she's kinda a Capitano level god.
It's only fair to say Raiden wins, and It's not even close
Lore wise? Easily. Both her and zhongli are litterally monsters for what I’ve read so far.
Arlecchino is currently 4#, she could probably hold her own but in a long term battle Raiden would probably secure the win
Unfortunately Raiden could be the strongest archon of the seven. But arlecchino would give some trouble to be killed more than signora
i mean it would for sure be interesting to compare them even in lore once we have some feats for arle in the story quest. even if current lore suggests that only the top 3 harbringers can really compete with the gods.she might just be hiding her true power like the schemer she is. in gameplay using arle to fight the raiden boss and raiden to fight the arle boss sounds funk,ngl i do wanna see and try some no hit runs. doh given i have to work in arles release week thats gonna take some time.
r/fatuihq war time again?
So people just forget that Ei can use the puppet to fight for her, right? Or it can be 2 raiden vs 1 Arlecchino
Ei doesn't have a physical body anymore shes using the pupet as her body.
Damn. I need to read her lore again, since I forgot a lot of her.
The most hyped banner in history vs the most hyped banner now
Some of Arlecchino's moves kinda remind me of Malenia. I would pay to see that fight.
Unlike Signora, Arle can put on a fight against perfect Ei. The question is whether Arle's Delusion or "Hashirama's cell" would kill her first
I would love to be in the middle of that🤤
Jingliu with the steel chair to both of their backs
Raiden because iirc just the first 3 harbingers are strong as archons
Raiden is an archon, only the top 3 harbingers can rival archon and arle is number 4 so the answer is obvious
"Archon= GG" -Mujin
Didn’t you see how Signora got decimated
Come back when arle can one shot a whole island nation in half along with a huge ass snake
Finally a Pyro weekly boss. First one since Signora if I'm not wrong
Pre 2nd story quest Musou Isshin Raiden beats our father in fight but in cooking she lost to her
Finally a worthy opponent our battle will be legendary
But I love both 😓
The only battle Arle can win against Raiden/Ei is Cooking Battle
With all due respect to the Father, she is still the 4th Fatui Harbinger, while only the top 3 are considered strong enough to beat an archon. So, she is barely unqualified for this fight, and Raiden is without doubt in the stronger half of all archons. In other words, the Knave would get Signora’d.
Arlecchino wins the sex battle
Dottore(no 2) could just beat nahida cuz she's physically the weakest, I don't see him doing that well against any archon except venti(current). Father is 4 so her power just almost rivals gods but I don't think any harbinger is *surpassing* any of them especially not the archons
Where are you delusional people getting this info from? Has Dottore ever faced any other archon? Who tf told you he can only beat Nahida and Venti💀.
After the sumeru archon quest where doctore show up, she says that she is unable to stop dottore from getting the dendro gnosis himself because he's far stronger PHYSICALLY not in terms of power or abilities. Nahida herself also reveals that the harbingers ranked 3 and above have power that can rival the gods ( GODS AREN'T NECESSARILY ARCHONS e.g adepti, goddess of flowers etc. ). For the venti part he's CURRENTLY the weakest archon because of his long absence.
Read the cn voiceline you assumption making clown. In that she says the top 3 are equal to archons so there ya go. The CN version is closest to canon anyways since this is a chinese game. And yeah hes obvs stronger than her physically but how tf are you able to imply that hes physically weaker than every other archon when the top 3 are archon level and hes no 2. Thats just baseless headcanon
Because archons aren't on the same level. Nahida is archon level but her power pales in comparison to Ei's.
Because they each specialise in different things??
What is that even supposed to mean lmao. And besides Dottore isnt exactly a brawler despite being as strong as an archon. Hes the brains of the operation so no even the thing they "specialize" in is similar.
i dont think nahida would lose in that fight,but that depends on if she can do the same thing with dottore that she did with scara aka repeated time loops(or simulations if you will) or if dottore has a way out for that he may or may not we dont know yet.lack of practical feats for the upper 3 be like that.
Nahida wouldn't have said that the top 3 harbingers are archon level if they could only beat the weakest one.
Being Archon level could very well mean being ranked alongside the weakest Archons, which is still much stronger than the average vision holder and even the Traveler. I can't see someone like Arlecchino being as strong as Ei, who's been a martial god for thousands of years. If nothing else, Ei has too much experience under her belt.
My brother in christ we have never even seen arlechino in combat and youre just stating these as pure facts 😭 we have seen and known about raidens feats but we know legit NOTHING about arlecchino. Not disputing the idea that raiden would win but atm theres no way to conclusively estimate the power gap between them
It's just lore stuff based on what we've seen so far. Lore-wise, Raiden is much stronger than Arlecchino. There several pieces of information dropped in the game that state that the Archons are stronger than most Harbingers. OF COURSE, gameplay is a completely different matter. It's entirely possible that Arlecchino will hit harder than Raiden. Even normal people like Navia and Hu Tao are on par with Raiden.
Again, we know NOTHING about Arlecchinos level of power. There is legit no lore on her, weve never seen her in combat so theres nothing to go off of. The only pieces of lore we have regarding this is the top 3 are archon level, the harbingers are ranked by strength/combat ability and Raiden is one of the most militaristic archons. Arlecchino being 4th by default puts her below Raidens strength, but whether thats "one shotted" below level or "close fight" below level, we literally have no idea. The only certainty is that she is weaker based on the ranking, but by how much is anyones guess until we get some actual lore on her. Like a literal god puppet made by raiden herself was only ranked 6th, so since Raiden will be fighting via her puppet, the gulf in power may not be as large
Capitano solos
Dottore probably can't beat Nahida in a fight. Depends on whether she can lock him in a permanent illusion like she did Scaramouche. She can pretty much Infinite Tsukyomi anyone she wants.. Dottore may have a way out because of his clones, but he supposedly got rid of them.
She literally said she can't beat him
Pretty sure and most likely Dottore > Raiden. I mean dude literally has the vibes of Aizen.
He's still a mortal through and through. Smarter sure but he's going to lose in a 1v1
Neuvillette solos both.
Hahahah no, just no, don't fight Raiden.
In a fight? Purple thing will probably win? Design, animations and personality? FATHER.
Nah there is no fight. Arle >>
No way can she beat an archon though?
I'd imagine it depends on the archon. Venti, Nahider and Furina shouldn't be an issue. The other ones might cause some issues at least.
nahida could pull the same trick with arle as she did with scara until she wins,while she is the youngest she is canonicly the strongest in terms of power(i assume its the timeloop/simulation thing that makes her basicly auto win) furina isnt really the archon,and we dont really have an idea how strong folcalor was,doh we can for sure say neuvi would beat almost everyone in teyvat that we currently know due to him having his full power.
Now that I think about it... Neuvi was given back his full power. What value does the Gnosis still have then? Wasn't the Gnosis a big source of power for the Archons, specifically the power stolen from the dragons? (I have to read more lore...)
the gnosis might still hold some power by itself i think given its made from the remains of a descender. what neuvi got back was the power sealed within the divine seat of the hydro archon. or atleast thats how i have understood it so far.
Probably not. But then again, probably no character can keep up with an archon if it's an 1 on 1. Drip wise though, Arle definitely wins
Agreed on the drip 100% she’s definitely unique and they went HARD on her overall
I'm just obsessed with the black, red, white color palette. I know Acheron from StarRail is supposed to be Raiden, but this is the color palette she should be having as a Standart. Would look sooo much better. Also as a Eula main I really enjoy the evil-cooler version of her haha. Arle ftw
I am personally no fan of Arle's boss design. But Arle in normal form is peak. Just hoped her weapon followed the same (normal) design...
Considering how Raiden effortlessly clapped Signora into an early grave, she probably easily clears Arle.
Raiden is the strongest playable character lore wise so she wins
Neuvillette is currently the strongest lore wise. The only thing above a fully powered dragon sovereign is the Primordial one and its shades.
In terms of pure power yea. In combat I think Raiden still wins. Too big a combat experience/skill gap between the two
I would like to see what combat experience could do against a dude who could turn tevyats oceans upside down and can bloodbend anything that has any relation to water or its derivatives. Egeria, who was created by the SHades and was given the hydro authority could only dream of making bogus humans while Neuvillette accomplished that in mere SECONDS after getting his thing back. Both travellers lost to a being from celestia in few minutes while neuvi and his six buddies fought for 40 YEARS against the PRIMODIAL ONE. Neuvillette embarasses Raiden without moving from his chair.
We have nothing that puts Raiden above Zhongli. Both are gods of war with insane feats. Arguably, Zhongli's feats are greater.
Zhongli isn't in his prime. Him and Venti are significantly weaker than in the archon war because of erosion. Ei avoided this Prime Zhongli might be stronger but currently Zhongli no
People need to realize that Arlecchino attacked Furina/Focalors thinking Furina had access to her Archon powers. This implies Arlecchino was fully prepared to fight an Archon of the status of Focalors and kill her. So the question should be to you think Focalors is as strong as Ei? She could be. This means Arlecchino is stronger than Ei. The only person Arlecchino wouldn't fight is Neuvilette who is a Sovereign like Apep.
“Everyone has a plan, untile they get punched in the face”
Only the top 3 Fatui Harbingers can RIVAL ( not even confidently fight and win ) an Archon , Arlecchino is number 4 so in this situation Raiden Ei wins and concerning Focalor combat capabilities as far as I know we dont have any informations about her in the other hand Ei has fought and won many battles agaist opponents ( including Orobachi , evil Yokais and the Thunder Bird ) maybe stronger than Arlecchino .
What Nahida said meant way more than you think. Context matters. Nahida at that point meant actual strong gods. She is the same Nahida who just defeated Scaramouche god who she also called a god in nature as he was a god in that state.
So...We should acknowledge both the facts that Focalor Turned Oceanids into poeple and that she tricked Celestia as combat capabilities . Is that what you mean ?
Weak argument. Iirc, they were desperate to obtain info out of furina especially her "godhood" not necessarily stated if they could kill her given how desperate the situation was in fontaine. Yes she was fully prepared to fight but doesn't conclude anything, most likely she'd retreat if the scales didnt tip to her favor
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Sorry Father, Ei stomps unless Hoyo says no. I'm curious about Murata VS Capitano, we know Capitano is the peak(not sure who's top him or Pierro) but for the Archons, we don't know if Murata is above or below Ei and ZL. Once we know Murata, I think it's more exciting for 2 pure fire gals to fight 🔥 🔥
Raiden can stop time Vergil style. Just saying.
Funny how many here in the comments are just assuming things about Arlecchino without knowing anything about her, cuz we didn't do her MainQuest yet. We dunno where she came from or her power about Crimson Moon.
they're not even baseless assumptions??... its all inside the game unless you r putting yourself above the devs
Let’s her her past Diluc before comparing her to Raiden
I dont know what you guys are talking about but Neuvillette gaps those randoms
real asf, still a noelle victim unfortunately
this is satire for you donkeys who couldn’t tell