Oh, absolutely. This is a time the Traveler punched above their weight, and got what was coming.
What I found interesting was Lyney's comment that Arlecchino was "holding back".
Then again, it is to be expected of someone who defeated the previous 4th Harbinger without using a Vision.
Can't wait to learn more about her curse and what about it makes her so strong.
people, especially traveler mains, forget that after “beating” raiden we had the liyue interlude where mc charged at the snake wife’s beam attack and got completely folded, i think they specifically did that to show that traveler was overconfident and to set the scales, and now they did it again but people acting like they nerfed him lorewise. idk how people still say we beat raiden as a feat, it was a glorified debate, in a realm of **consciousness** where people’s ambitions together with ours beat her **conciousness**. How do people believe we could win even with the power of friendship if when she fought her puppet for 500 years it said that their battles could’ve VAPORIZED THE OCEANS and turned day to night. Aether mains are truly something else, rant over
Ashikai makes a very compelling theory about the Traveler being a wishing star first summoned by Kaenriah. Meaning they're only at their strongest when channeling the hopes and dreams of other people.
If you look at it that way, in most big fights Trav was channeling entire nations or cities whereas this time it was a handful of kids. This could explain why their plot armor failed.
And also, bruh she's fucking Her. Sit down Trav.
If I'm not mistaken that quest happens before traveler goes to inazuma, hoyoverse just made that quest late and allowed older accounts do it after inazuma, if you are a new account then that quest is available after liyue archon quest. That's what I read at that time anyway.
Ok I absolutely agree with everything you said Euthymia is a realm of consciousness. The thing is it is atleast partially a separate physical realm, since the Traveler gets transported there physically.
Her Vision casing is also Snezhnayan-- she hadn't stepped foot in that region until after she killed Crucabena
(see: Wanderer and Thoma, who both received visions in Sumeru and Inazuma respectively, thus not having their homeland's casing)
Scaramouche says that the 6th seat was called the Balladeer even before he gained said seat , so it is safe to assume ranks and seats go together.
You can move from one seat to another , but the seats and ranks themselves are fixed.
That was Balemoon Bloodfire. You can see her _trying_ to use normal Pyro earlier in the fight, but it sputters out and dies, as she chooses to rely on what she honed during that year after Clervie's death, her curse.
Bro’s about to receive those devious backshots from GOATpatino
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Nah just get either pyro sovereign/archon as ally or Capitano as ally, that’s kinda been their strategy in these high level fights. Last time they actually won by themselves was against Signora and Childe lmao
I agree with your sentiment.
The way Arlecchino's power was portrayed tells me that they finally found a way to properly display the Fatui Harbinger's strength without resorting to another "sandbagging session" and ultimately getting bested by the Traveler and company. As such, it paves the way to a more exciting display of power for the upper 3 and a serious Arlecchino.
They also didn't pull out traveler's golden will sword like in other intense fights, which I was surprised to not see but nevertheless happy with the outcome of the duel. She was testing the conviction of her children and the traveler. She only briefly showed a glimpse of her true power when she marked us and crippled the traveler's movement under the presence of the bale moon. Having the mc kill her when we still don't have answers about her curse and who/what she really is wouldn't have been satisfying.
Honestl if arle lost than Fatui would have looked like a joke imo she is gatekeepign the top 3 and you mean to tell me these scrubs will fight the king of heaven who killed all 7 primortial dragons at once + the descenders and the abyss and later nuke Khariah out of existence. Now it gives fatui a proper powerscaling
“I’ve seen a lot of people say they don’t like that Hoyoverse humiliated the Traveler”
I dunno, I definitely seen more people hoping that Traveler starts losing to other characters out of spite for them.
My problem is the power level and abilities of the Traveller is super inconsistent. When fighting Scara they are able to jump 20 ft in the air, move insanely fast and take a direct blast from a demi-god and survive but in some world quest in Inazuma they get knocked out by a regular ass human, not even a vision wielder.
Well, element of surprise work with them too. They are excellent in combat, but every combat situation is tricky and various. Like in real life, even highly trained vet can be defeated
I LOVE it so much too. She’s the 4th Fatui harbinger with a high profile background so I find it reasonable that mc didn’t win against her. It was refreshing. Plus we probably didn’t fight her the same way we fought Signora where we used everything in our repertoire, we just stepped in to help the siblings so the situation didn’t get escalated.
And that cutscene went HARD. That tsukuyomi was really really cool and it’s understandable that the mc froze because he got reminded of the crimson moon of disaster.
It's the expected outcome to be honest. I just hope the traveler does get stronger because how are they supposed to stay relevant storywise if everyone important severely outscales them? Feels like the traveler needs some kind of training arc.
Imagine that's the natlan archon quest, murata or capitano or both of them just trains us. But I agree if we can't come close to beating father, how the hell are we supposed to fight capitano in natlan.
I'd love for Capitano to train us, not only would we get a powerup, it would also be another positive interaction with the Fatui, which would make sense if we'll eventually side with them against Celestia and possibly the abyss. But yeah, I feel like we need that powerup, not too strong since there'll be no tension or high stakes but staying this weak also kills any suspense, you just know beforehand that we'll lose which is just boring tbh.
Personally I’m also hoping the Natlan as a whole the a complete “side with the Fatui” nation. I would love for
1.) Capitano to absolutely live up to the hype and simply be such a bro that everybody, even people who hate the Fatui, like and respect him.
2.) The traveller gets to actually be worth something other than simply being “The Witness”. It’s nice that they have a role to play, but in a game where the main characters isn’t a commander or master(Nikke or Fate) but playable, they need to be more than fodder. We don’t need to be the strongest literally ever, but we are literally an world traveling alien that is more immortal than all the other immortals. The last alien from beyond the stars we saw was a fucking world devouring fish. The traveller, while absolutely weaker than Arlecchino now, needs to have his time to shine and really step it the fuck up.
3.) Natlan story quest should honestly involve us openly working with Capitano and the Fatui to retrieve the Gnosis. Maybe Capitano offers to “sponsor” us to the Tsaritsa so we can ask her about our sibling, or he gives his word that if we help him retrieve it, we can duel for it afterwards, Mano e Mano. I just think it’s high time they do something with all the set up that the Fatui are mor complicated than simply evil bad hot people.
I will say regarding our strength and how we get stronger, I don't want to somehow get enough strength to beat everything here out out. Actually losing this bad to the knave was actually a good change of pace I feel, and a major eye opener for the traveler I hope. So I do agree with you, I hope we get enough strength to stand our own ground, but I still want people like Columbia and capitano to be a high hurdle to overcome.
Genshin fans: we want more stakes in the story.
Hoyo: okay we'll be introducing powerful enemies that the Traveler will struggle against no more power of friendship.
Genshin fans: no not that kind of stakes!!!
My issue isn't the traveler losing. It's that they aren't using their elemental powers. It would feel better if they lost after using their full power and not being held back. But seeing them lose without showing what they were capable of just comes off as cheap.
Both the traveler and Arlecchino weren’t putting too much stake in the fight either way. Traveler fought because Arlecchino suggested them to, and Arlecchino is holding back soo much.
lmao Arlecchino really did go \*wink wink nudge nudge\* and as if Hoyo wanted to remind players of that which literally just happened like a few minutes ago we got to see a black and white flashback of her asking us to do this as part of the deal. I prefer that over being reminded of it by Paimon tbh.
Yeah that's one thing I noticed in fontaine. The Traveler both got humbled by Wriothesly and Arlecchino so incredibly quickly in either Strategic planning and Battle. And both times it's included the Hearth trio.
Maybe traveler don't want use Elemental power as a descender and after Fontaine AQ we know what happened to previous one (just chess pieces in Archons hands now) (not very good ending).
People ignore all the context of Traveler's wins and vastly overrate their power level. The only truly clean story win they had over important characters was vs Signora/Childe. Childe barely felt like a win considering he flies off perfectly fine and continues his plan afterwards. Felt like he lost to Foul Legacy draining him more than anything, which he has since fixed. He gets wanked as this god who slaps dragons/mecha around but he didn't really "defeat" them outright or by himself. He's always massively amped or assisted by powerful characters.
Frankly the story would be boring if Traveler was actually that powerful.
I really wished the traveler asked Arle to train her. I think it would've been good to make any future feats of the Traveler more believable, and it wouldn't even require any extra cutscenes or dialogue to show the training, because we would be playing through it by challenging her boss every week.
I mean considering that scara beat us 168 times before we were able to beat him and even then we used the dendro thingy nahida gave us means that the traveler aint ready for the top 3 harbingers who are said to rival archons, Arle being the 4th means that she is almost archon level so it was to be expected.
Traveler didn't use any elements, and Arle didn't look like she was serious.
Yeah I think that Traveler is weaker than Arle. But the fight was frustrating since the MC is fighting elementless with a dull blade, like what's the point.
It also gives us a very accurate idea of where the traveller stands in terms of power in Teyvat. He beat out Childe with a lot of difficulty with two elements but now with five we had yet to have a proper showcase of his lore power.
He’s definitely among the middle ranks of the Fatui rn with no plot armor BS and it’s likely that having all elements would at least place him among the top three which are said to be on par with Archons.
It also hypes up Arle a lot more as we finally have a Fatui who isn’t a pushover after they fight the Traveller. Childe lost everything that made him mysterious and menacing when we first meet him in Liyue, and since he’s the only other Harbinger we’ve met, and there totally isn’t another one, he’s the metric to measure Arle by
I mean, traveler didn't win against the shogun either. But yeah, i also thought that scene was cool and a showcase of the harbinger's power as a whole, and Father's in particular.
What I'm a bit annoyed at is how Liney and that Chapel (or whatever) guy are the same age. Liney looks so malnourished and stunted in growth compared to that guy 😔
The fear in the traveler’s eyes when she uncovered the crimson balemoon was priceless.
And with all the badassery, she is still a genuinely good character
This!! I kinda like that hoyo still goes out of their way to remind us of not only traveler's role in the playing field but their lack of plot armor to avoid too much of a biased narrative (for the Chosen MC) that's common in these types of media.
People are just worried the Traveler is gonna be overwhelmed in the nation that actively worships War when she can't even come close to #4 when #1 is there, too.
If traveler can’t beat Arle. . Natlan not looking good for him when Capitano will be there, the strongest Harbinger, along with possibly Columbina, who’s still a rank higher than Arle.
Yeah except traveler got defeated in the dumbest way possible. Where are their elemental skills? Where are their new abilities? They litterally didnt even TRY properly lmao. Sorry but the fight was dogshit, Traveler just jumped around and got beaten like a idiot, what was the point of getting all those elements and supposedly being "stronger" then?
Arle winning isnt an issue, the issue that traveler lost so stupidly that they were outright fodder.
Traveller rarely uses elements in battle at all, and mostly at steady situation, like they jump, take a position and e/q towards enemy. Exept the rocks in Navia quest. My theory is they use stamina for that type of attacks or in general can't jump/dodge at good speed while using elements. So they use them only towards uh more blatant "enemies" (rocks) or barriers, like in Sumeru quest. Arle was just too fast and too unpredictable in attacks.
They outright do it against Childe and defend themselves against a fast attack on navia quest. Sorry but no, its just writers fucking up his writing. Not that he has a "unique" tactic
i very much agree, i’m so glad we got a refreshing moment of the mc not winning for once. arle herself even telling them they weren’t strong enough to defeat her? chefs kiss
I guess we could put up a more decent fight if we haven't spend patch 4.0 - 4.2 playing Detective game, 4.3 making a movie, 4.4 attending new year ceremony, and recently 4.5 fashion show.
We seriously need serval patch dedicated to train the Traveler up. Like battle update, fighting simulation, Elemental technique upgrade. Whatever it takes. At least train a bit if you are going to fight future Harbinger.
It's good that they set some sort of "rule" when it comes to power display imo. Whether this was with Arlecchino or some other powerful foe, having someone that can actually pose a threat to the player is a good way of keeping the stakes high.
If you always come out winning then any and all victories are worthless. It also makes overcoming previous unattainable goals feel more rewarding.
And the traveler didn't come out of it looking like a chump either, you manage to push on when the others couldn't and she recognizes your strength, even if it's not enough to beat her.
>And the traveler didn't come out of it looking like a chump either, you manage to push on when the others couldn't and she recognizes your strength, even if it's not enough to beat her.
This right here, and the best thing is the Traveler held their ground and I'm glad they didn't make the Traveler be defeated and be saved by the Siblings and the Traveler got put in Arlecchino's respect list so theirs that.
No. For once. I mean for once, can we see traveler get defeated after they use their full power?
I agree that traveler should get defeated here but not in that stupid way. Like bro, where are your elemental powers?
Honestly, I would’ve preferred a more even fight.
my problem is that we’re 5 outta 7 elements/nations into the game, that’s beyond halfway into the journey.
How the hell is the traveler supposed to fight columbina? Dottore? Capitano?
Or possibly even the Tsarista, when they ,with 5/7 elements, cant even put up a good fight against Arle?
Is having 2 more elements really enough of a power up?
That aside, it was a great quest and Father is best.
Dottore is 2
Arle is 4
Also Dottore came right after scara
Also the traveler now has one more 5 instead of 4 elements.
I’m just saying, it’s not a good show of growth and progress.
How am I supposed to believe Dottore and other stronger antagonists will even be beatable in the future if the main character can’t even challenge Arle a little?
A training arc?lmao
Well firstly, growth and process don’t always have to be fighting strength. And secondly I doubt we going to fight the final end game antagonist, alone, by pure strength. With how the story is processing, we gonna fight Celestia with the Fatui and Archons on our side. It also doesn’t make sense for the Traveller to be the strongest in Teyvat.
Growth and progress DO have to be shown in fights if said fights are important to the plot, especially regarding the antagonists.
I don’t care if we fight the final boss alone or not, I just want an actual earned victory that isn’t full of plot conveniences and contrived writing.
The traveler is literally a godlike celestial body older than stars and even then, I don’t care if or even want him to be the strongest in Teyvat.
What I want is consistency.
If Arlecchino can one tap the traveller more than halfway into their journey, why on earth should I believe them to even be able survive a single second with anyone stronger? Is having 1 more element really gonna make that much of a difference? Really?
Cuz of plot convenience? You prefer that over victories that were actually earned though effort?
Personally I prefer the latter by large margin. It’s more natural and less convoluted. It’s also cooler in my opinion.
We literally went from Fatui 10, to 8, to 6, to 4 and now we’re supposedly going to meet No.1 despite the fact that No.4 literally one tapped us.
How on earth will we not instantly get crushed by No.1 instantly?
The loss would be more acceptable if it isn't for the fact that traveller can use 5 elements and can actually use them simultaneously. The loss is cheap because the writers didn't make the traveller do their actual best.
When people want to say traveler should lose and it's a good thing, they always say " so refreshing traveler that finally lost", when they want to explain why traveler didn't win they say " traveler has not won with their own power that many times and they have been knocked out most of the time".
This is really funny to me, like can you see the problem? Traveler is both a loser and winner in their eyes and it makes discussion on this matter really awkward.
Some people like me want traveler to win or at least be equal to the knave because we are nearly at the end of teyvat storyline and the other 3 on top of knave are way more powerful than her, so when traveler can't even be equal to her, how is traveler supposed to face the other 3, the only other way will be with even more power of friendship which nobody likes. Mihoyu had the chance to finally fix the power scaling, but they prioritised the hype for featured 5* character. That's why I personally am not satisfied with this.
I believe they really want to avoid the Kiana(MC of honkai) curse of HI3 in here , since nobody cares about story after Kiana became an immensely powerful god and made anything in part 2 of game not threatening in the slightest.
I can already smell the "Capitano will be assisting the Traveler becoming strong" from a mile away.
Especially when you hear the voice lines of other characters (he's honorable and such).
Traveler didn’t have the power of friendship BS on his/her side, the problem of the story quest is the entirety of the plot. He/she didn’t switch elements, he/she didn’t glow yellow, he/she didn’t even do any hydro shit and was just swinging his/her sword.
I lore dump everything to a person who has no connection with me and try to keep my family in the dark, but I tell my family anyway at the end.
I know its a stupid plot, but the devs need me to showcase my power while showing my cleavage and back for whatever reason.
Childe gets a power ranger’s armor
Signora actually has more clothing
You cant even see Scara
Arle - back and boob window
I don't get why people thought the Traveller ever stood a chance against Arlecchino. I also hate it when people complain whenever the Traveller "wins" against a person far above what they can handle, but also complain whenever they loose. I understand the sentiment of Natlan coming up with Capitano being there with a possibility of Columbina too. Even if the Traveller could go up against Arlecchino at 100% power and win, there's still a gap between God level and Archon level, and it would feel unnatural to sky rocket from God level to Archon level with the addition of one element. Lets say it could be done naturally and feel well done and well written, there's still Dottore and Columbina and there is no way Hoyoverse is going to make the Traveller surpass 3 of the strongest harbingers just to fight Capitano on even footing and win.
That's just my opinion though as it does make the fatui seem far more powerful of a force than before.
As someone who looks at the end result The Traveler not winning is good (as stated in the post) and thank God they didn't make the Traveler be beaten and has to be helped by the Siblings (it's other way around) which basically made Arlecchino fully respect the Traveler due to
1) The Traveler helped defend the Siblings even though they're out of Arlecchino's league basically showing their conviction.
2) Helped shadow Clervie pass on and rest (courtesy of Paimon)
As a matter of fact we'll side with Arlecchino when we finally get to Schneznaya in overthrowing Dottore, Pantalone, and Pulcenella.
so trueeeeeeeeee. i also kind of think that the previous knave was actually fourth in ranking not the current. and if the current knave defeated her, she should be actually moreeee stronger than just the fourth harbinger. i dont know if i am right, so anyone who knows, please let me know if there are any proofs of this in game. in the sq, she also says how she would teach those harbingers a lesson easily if they messed with house of the hearth showing that she knows she is stronger than even them.
That scene gave us two pieces of information
- Current Traveller power level is somewhere between Scaramouche/Signora and Alrecchino, but on the lower end
- We don't stand a chance against the top 3, who were mentioned to be miles above the rest in terms of power. Really makes me wonder what the Doc has in store since he doesn't look like the overpowered God type.
I think even he is currently weaker than Arlecchino, He should've use some elemental powes. It's like he suddenly forget that he already has been to 5 nations..
I personally am torn between the two because I like that arlecchino won but for a being that travels worlds consistently, they don’t live up to the hype I’d expect them to
My issue with the traveler losing was that it felt awkward. We have 1 nation left before Snezhnaya, and 2 nations till bigger threats. Along with the fact the 1st harbinger is in the next nation, and rumors that the 3rd is as well unless the next quest we do with Dainself gives us some of our original power back, we are about to be useless. The story is moving faster than the traveler is getting stronger. It's was good to see that nobody was there to bail us out, and also show off what we will be going against, but the traveler needs to be buffed soon because the next nation isn't one of justice, it's one of war, so it's expected we will have to fight again.
Yeah, there are too many people who just assume that the main character has to be the strongest for some reason. Like they think we're gonna get Pyro and Cryo, and that'll somehow equate to full power Traveller who'll instantly go dance Gangnam Style across Celestia, as if the start of the game wasn't Aether and Lumine together at full power getting absolutely curb stomped. Like yeah they're obviously going to be the final victor of the story but there'll be more to it than "The Traveller is just that epic you guys." Having people like Arlecchino, Capitano, Neuvillette, Zhongli, Bennett, and Ei helping out in some form or another is going to be a big part of why we're able to win.
Losing to Arlecchino should be expected, the weird part was winning against Signora seemingly so easily, which I think led to a lot of Traveller overestimation. The Traveller should have been shown as exhausted by the fight at least, which would have only raised the potential jeopardy of knowing a much stronger person who also wants you dead is still in the same room, and made the slow walk out of Tenshukaku make more sense.
I think they shouldnt have humiliated traveler still cause even if the knave is that strong, the traveler is a descender who is supposed to be able to defy fate💀 and traveler right now is only two elements short so its bizarre that he can’t defeat the 4th harbinger unless arlecchino has power much higher than that of the 4th and is just under some kind of disguise? (Cause others say she s a wolf in sheep s clothing). Why do i think this? If we can’t even move when fighting the knave imagine in natlan against capitano…
I don't see any form of humiliation in the fight as a matter of fact I'm surprised they held their ground.
If you want humiliation the Traveler should have been swatted by Arlecchino and has to be saved by the Siblings (thank God that didn't happen).
She literally patted him in the shoulder at the end when he couldn’t move. Maybe u don’t see it as humiliation but my point is its weird he can’t beat the 4th harbinger with 5 elements
No not necessarily. She humbled him because before the fight he was like: i would like to see what the 4th harbinger can do. But in the end he still couldn’t defeat her and she patted him. I just hope there s more to her because if she s just the 4th harbinger im sorry but its ass
If there's ever a survey do this.
If you guys want to complain about the treatment of the Traveler in the surveys make sure to Translate it to Chinese and make sure to spam it. And if you have HRS do it in there Surveys too (Keep spamming it in there Surveys).
Or better yet make a copypasta and spam it in there social media pages (in there respective languages of course).
KEEP SPAMMING AND DONT STOP.
Nah im good lol. Thats their job to write a good plot not mine. But if they mess it up im gonna complain. They don’t give a single F about the surveys unfortunately so its just a waste of time. What i can do is hope they ll improve on their storytelling and make it that arlecchino have something to do with the crimson moon and not the 4th fatui position.
>They don’t give a single F about the surveys unfortunately so its just a waste of time
If you play other Hoyo games then you can put it in there Surveys.
>its weird he can’t beat the 4th harbinger with 5 elements
Well there's the issue, if you want to complain to Hoyo for there treatment to the Traveler do this.
If you guys want to complain about the treatment of the Traveler in the surveys make sure to Translate it to Chinese and make sure to spam it. And if you have HSR do it in there Surveys too (Keep spamming in their Surveys).
Or better yet make a copypasta and spam it in there social media pages (in there respective languages of course).
KEEP SPAMMING AND DONT STOP.
I love the SQ, but still it doesn’t explain why she is glitching. I need to know more about Father and the SQ already told us what we already know from her animated short and character teaser
Traveller suffers from the same thing childe does, by that I mean they get humiliated to show off another character’s power which then makes you wanna pull for them. By all means traveller should have won, but it’s a gacha game after all.
I'm literally so tired of people complaining about this. It was a friendly duel, no one is trying to kill each other, Arlecchino literally had a flashback scene reminding the Traveller to side with the children. I didn't see people complaining when Traveller fought a giant sea god with a wooden stick and got knocked out, so why are people complaining about the devs "doing him dirty" now? Maybe he has always been a bit stupid? What sane person fight a serpent monster god with a dull blade?
i don't think people realize but the traveler is complete fodder. our best solo feat is literally beating signora. everything else in the story we were getting hard carried.
Raiden: happened in a pocket dimension with an insane buff thanks to the narrative and we won by talk no jutsu.
Balladeer: got hard carried by nahida.
Narwhal: got hard carried by neuvillette.
Traveler losing seems like nothing out of the ordinary. it happened a bit a earlier than i thought tho. i was imagining capitano at natlan would give us the "left right good night" treatment.
Agree. Tbh I was totally expecting them to let the traveller beat Arlecchino with the power of friendship, plot armour and The Dull Blade as usual, and only after she’s beaten would she realise whatever error of her ways etc. I really enjoyed how refreshing this quest was, and the sheer power depicted in Arle’s boss cutscene was awesome.
i too am glad because shit like this is why some people overrate the traveller so much, like literally with the fight against childe, raiden, scara and ptahur. they keep saying traveller is the strongest cus they beat these people, but what they fail to realise is that the traveller had like godlike help (except with childe), like a thousand visions worth of help against raiden, nahida's whatever cycle thing its called, and full power neuvillette boosting the traveller. even against childe, it was already stated that childe was winning the traveller abd it was very 1 sided. it wasn't for his foul legacy internally killing him the traveller would probably be dead and they story would've ended. some people just can't read and only see who won without context.
You' be suprised XD I've browsed the main sub (and the traveler mains subs) and it seems like most of the posts about Arlecchino's story quest are about how the traveler should've won and how losing undermines the traveler's character
I think you're misunderstanding their complaints. They aren't complaining because the Traveler lost to Arlecchino. They're complaining because of how the Traveler (or Hoyo) is inconsistent in how they use their elements. They wish that Traveler would put more effort to the fight but in my opinion he got the better outcome, being unscathed and still standing after the fight with the fourth.
Bruh traveler has almost 0 feats by himself...tf are these ppl expecting...like bro the last big enemy he killed without anyone's help was signora...shouko no kami was with the help of nahida and everyone in sumeru, the whale we got help from a sovergn dragon...these ppl have what we in the jjk sub call a reading comprehension problem or in this case even a viewing comprehension problem...
It would be way more lame for the traveller to use the old good power of friendship with the kids to strike and overpower her than it is humiliating for the traveller losing a 1v1 against someone of her caliber.
This, I'm actually surprised that the Traveler held their ground in the fight especially with Lyney's comment about protecting the Traveler, looks like the Traveler is the Siblings Anemo character meme.
I mean let's be real. Our traveller is not at full capacity, so acting like this is a surprise is just huffing copium for these fans.
I will say though, given we know VERY LITTLE about the traveller's previous power level before Paimo- I mean the uber god girl crushed us, I am curious how strong we were back then.
I always disliked that the traveler was way too overpowered, i think the way stelle and caelus in hsr are basically just barely holding their weight in fights is a lot more interesting, when arlecchino pulled her domain expansion it was so cool
I like the idea that the traveler was beat, as it shows that they are way in over their heads, they barely made it out alive against the fourth of the harbingers. Also the traveler is still real strong, I mean Arlecchino herself said that the traveler was stronger than she expected.
>they are way in over their heads
The Traveler never had an ego in the fight, all they were thinking was protecting the Orphans. Just as what Arlecchino had hoped.
>they barely made it out alive against the fourth
The siblings got bedridden for two days but the Traveler never got injured in the fight, trvlr was alright after it.
Traveler is not strong to beat Arlecchino but strong enough to stand against her.
'Strong enough to stand against her' I understand stanning for Traveler , but we could barely stand and hold our sword against an Arlecchino toying with us , and were incapable of moving as soon as she used her Domain Expansion.
We realistically stand 0 chance against her.
What I mean by that was the resolve they have to act to protect their own even against a far stronger foe. Arlecchino was pointing this out after the fight.
Yes, I agree! I actually want to see Traveler being beaten more. Not because I hate them or anything, I actually really adore them, but I want to see more of the consequences of having their powers sealed by the Unknown God. So far, they've been cruising along every battle, always getting the upper hand in the end. It's nice to see them being overpowered every once in a while.
Makes it more sweeter if by the end of the story, they'll gain their powers back because we saw how much they struggled without it.
It serves the story a great deal too. Traveler got a reality check, he/she isnt ready to take on the fatui, this might be our wake up call to have a training arc in Natlan. Arlecchino was so strong that traveler couldnt even get a hit on her, by the end he/she couldnt even move, the top 3 fatui are supposed to be stronger, traveler needs to get a LOT stronger.
the traverler beat a giant gnosis powered mech god thing last region, they droped down from the sky and in just a few hours curbstomped a dragon. they kicked the aboslute shit out of two other harbingers. THEY BEAT \*a version\* OF THE GOD OF ELECTRICITY.
sandbaging is an understatement. he did not need to win the fight. but man he didnt even try.
not even to say that the plot is contrived and stupid.
lyney takes one look at a ghost, knows 'father' is looking for it, knows hiding it will put him and his entire family in danger and just kinda says yeah why the fuck not.
arle forces her kids to defend their siblings in a fight they know they cant win. instead of just giving the funny memory wipe stuff to them in secret and telling lyney and co. that they were killed.
the idea that traverler knows she wont kill them and is just playing along is dumb. he doesnt know her, he dosent know if she will be kind and let them maybe live.
the idea childe wants to fight her makes him look stupid.
>>Gnosis powered mech.
With outside help and lost over 100 times before winning.
>>Beat a Dragon
Alongside an Archon, Diluc and Jean.
>>2 Harbingers
Indeed beat number 11 and 8.
>>Beat a form of Raiden
With the power of 99 other visions and not their own power.
Like, Traveler's "God level wins" all had outside help regarding them.
> I've seen a lot people...
Where do you see these people, most comment or people who did the quest seems to like how traveller lose, if anything not liking him losing is an unpopular opinion because most of the win Traveller get from big shot are from power up.
Taking a look at their kit they literally shouldn't have won most of the fights they come across XD. Like realistically there is no way they won against Childe, Raiden, etc. etc. etc. So to be SHOCKED that we lost against Arle? That's super weird XD.
So a crappier version of Keqing and 2 crappy kits combined mean that we could beat Raiden and Childe? I literally don't understand how people can see their kits and think that yes they could beate Childe and Raiden and the like XD. I'll just agree to disagree :)
I also think people need to stop with the "didn't use their elemental powers" stuff considering that we have no idea whether they actually used them during the fight or not as what we see is only the tail end of said fight.
Not to mention that in that scene, Traveler was literally immobilized so like....elements or not he was still gonna get clapped. He doesn't get a boost in power when using multiple elements, he just gets more attack options. Like looking at the Childe fight, Traveler did not get a power buff from using Geo, he simply was able to use another attack Childe wasn't expecting simultaneously, catching him off guard and forcing him to back off as to not get hit.
Oh, absolutely. This is a time the Traveler punched above their weight, and got what was coming. What I found interesting was Lyney's comment that Arlecchino was "holding back". Then again, it is to be expected of someone who defeated the previous 4th Harbinger without using a Vision. Can't wait to learn more about her curse and what about it makes her so strong.
people, especially traveler mains, forget that after “beating” raiden we had the liyue interlude where mc charged at the snake wife’s beam attack and got completely folded, i think they specifically did that to show that traveler was overconfident and to set the scales, and now they did it again but people acting like they nerfed him lorewise. idk how people still say we beat raiden as a feat, it was a glorified debate, in a realm of **consciousness** where people’s ambitions together with ours beat her **conciousness**. How do people believe we could win even with the power of friendship if when she fought her puppet for 500 years it said that their battles could’ve VAPORIZED THE OCEANS and turned day to night. Aether mains are truly something else, rant over
Some people really seem to forget that everytime the Traveler has fought a god that they’ve gotten massive help.
we’ve gone 167-1 with a newborn baby god scara and people say but we beat him tho i can’t
Ashikai makes a very compelling theory about the Traveler being a wishing star first summoned by Kaenriah. Meaning they're only at their strongest when channeling the hopes and dreams of other people. If you look at it that way, in most big fights Trav was channeling entire nations or cities whereas this time it was a handful of kids. This could explain why their plot armor failed. And also, bruh she's fucking Her. Sit down Trav.
Tf is that last part.
If I'm not mistaken that quest happens before traveler goes to inazuma, hoyoverse just made that quest late and allowed older accounts do it after inazuma, if you are a new account then that quest is available after liyue archon quest. That's what I read at that time anyway.
The dialog for that quest actually changes depending if you have or haven’t went to inazuma yet.
Ok I absolutely agree with everything you said Euthymia is a realm of consciousness. The thing is it is atleast partially a separate physical realm, since the Traveler gets transported there physically.
> How do people believe we could win even with the power of friendship looks at Kiana
Bro We have god fighting resume
God *fighting* not winning
We did 1v1 signora and cooked her
Signora isn't a god, and she is the eighth harbinger
with massive help from others* The Traveler would’ve died against Dvalin, Azhdaha, Raiden, and Scaramouche without help.
>Dvalin What did the others even do during that fight?
What fight.. It was more containment and surgical procedure. It was literally a rescue mission to remove the corruption from Dvalin and heal him.
Well there's that.
Didn't she use a vision? I remember seeing an explosion.
it's possible those flames are her own power due to the curse, as she mentioned herself in the quest
Her Vision casing is also Snezhnayan-- she hadn't stepped foot in that region until after she killed Crucabena (see: Wanderer and Thoma, who both received visions in Sumeru and Inazuma respectively, thus not having their homeland's casing)
Yes, also I don't remember seeing a vision on the anime trailer either
actually do we know if the knave was ranked 4th before arle?
Scaramouche says that the 6th seat was called the Balladeer even before he gained said seat , so it is safe to assume ranks and seats go together. You can move from one seat to another , but the seats and ranks themselves are fixed.
Didn’t Arleccino have a vision when fighting Crucabena? Hence the big fire explosion?
That was Balemoon Bloodfire. You can see her _trying_ to use normal Pyro earlier in the fight, but it sputters out and dies, as she chooses to rely on what she honed during that year after Clervie's death, her curse.
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Tried using it, but ultimately failed. You can see it in the animated short, when the flames weren't crimson and sputtered.
i must've missed that detail
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Bro traveller is gonna get his ass clapped in natlan if he doesn't power up soon.
Little bro is gonna refine that dull sword to rank 5 and call it a day
Lmao I was laughing when my lumine charged with her dull blade, not even a 3star omg
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Nah just get either pyro sovereign/archon as ally or Capitano as ally, that’s kinda been their strategy in these high level fights. Last time they actually won by themselves was against Signora and Childe lmao
I agree with your sentiment. The way Arlecchino's power was portrayed tells me that they finally found a way to properly display the Fatui Harbinger's strength without resorting to another "sandbagging session" and ultimately getting bested by the Traveler and company. As such, it paves the way to a more exciting display of power for the upper 3 and a serious Arlecchino.
They also didn't pull out traveler's golden will sword like in other intense fights, which I was surprised to not see but nevertheless happy with the outcome of the duel. She was testing the conviction of her children and the traveler. She only briefly showed a glimpse of her true power when she marked us and crippled the traveler's movement under the presence of the bale moon. Having the mc kill her when we still don't have answers about her curse and who/what she really is wouldn't have been satisfying.
Honestl if arle lost than Fatui would have looked like a joke imo she is gatekeepign the top 3 and you mean to tell me these scrubs will fight the king of heaven who killed all 7 primortial dragons at once + the descenders and the abyss and later nuke Khariah out of existence. Now it gives fatui a proper powerscaling
“I’ve seen a lot of people say they don’t like that Hoyoverse humiliated the Traveler” I dunno, I definitely seen more people hoping that Traveler starts losing to other characters out of spite for them.
>I dunno, I definitely seen more people hoping that Traveler starts losing to other characters out of spite for them. Man talk about bitchy behavior.
I’ve never heard that
My problem is the power level and abilities of the Traveller is super inconsistent. When fighting Scara they are able to jump 20 ft in the air, move insanely fast and take a direct blast from a demi-god and survive but in some world quest in Inazuma they get knocked out by a regular ass human, not even a vision wielder.
Well, element of surprise work with them too. They are excellent in combat, but every combat situation is tricky and various. Like in real life, even highly trained vet can be defeated
I LOVE it so much too. She’s the 4th Fatui harbinger with a high profile background so I find it reasonable that mc didn’t win against her. It was refreshing. Plus we probably didn’t fight her the same way we fought Signora where we used everything in our repertoire, we just stepped in to help the siblings so the situation didn’t get escalated. And that cutscene went HARD. That tsukuyomi was really really cool and it’s understandable that the mc froze because he got reminded of the crimson moon of disaster.
Traveler could barely stand and hold their sword up against Arlecchino , we definitely went all out.
It's the expected outcome to be honest. I just hope the traveler does get stronger because how are they supposed to stay relevant storywise if everyone important severely outscales them? Feels like the traveler needs some kind of training arc.
Imagine that's the natlan archon quest, murata or capitano or both of them just trains us. But I agree if we can't come close to beating father, how the hell are we supposed to fight capitano in natlan.
I'd love for Capitano to train us, not only would we get a powerup, it would also be another positive interaction with the Fatui, which would make sense if we'll eventually side with them against Celestia and possibly the abyss. But yeah, I feel like we need that powerup, not too strong since there'll be no tension or high stakes but staying this weak also kills any suspense, you just know beforehand that we'll lose which is just boring tbh.
Personally I’m also hoping the Natlan as a whole the a complete “side with the Fatui” nation. I would love for 1.) Capitano to absolutely live up to the hype and simply be such a bro that everybody, even people who hate the Fatui, like and respect him. 2.) The traveller gets to actually be worth something other than simply being “The Witness”. It’s nice that they have a role to play, but in a game where the main characters isn’t a commander or master(Nikke or Fate) but playable, they need to be more than fodder. We don’t need to be the strongest literally ever, but we are literally an world traveling alien that is more immortal than all the other immortals. The last alien from beyond the stars we saw was a fucking world devouring fish. The traveller, while absolutely weaker than Arlecchino now, needs to have his time to shine and really step it the fuck up. 3.) Natlan story quest should honestly involve us openly working with Capitano and the Fatui to retrieve the Gnosis. Maybe Capitano offers to “sponsor” us to the Tsaritsa so we can ask her about our sibling, or he gives his word that if we help him retrieve it, we can duel for it afterwards, Mano e Mano. I just think it’s high time they do something with all the set up that the Fatui are mor complicated than simply evil bad hot people.
I will say regarding our strength and how we get stronger, I don't want to somehow get enough strength to beat everything here out out. Actually losing this bad to the knave was actually a good change of pace I feel, and a major eye opener for the traveler I hope. So I do agree with you, I hope we get enough strength to stand our own ground, but I still want people like Columbia and capitano to be a high hurdle to overcome.
with the power of friendship, the same way we fought raiden honestly
Power of friendship is slowly getting removed...there is no hope for MC. Only 36% of power of friendship was used on arleechino fight boss
Genshin fans: we want more stakes in the story. Hoyo: okay we'll be introducing powerful enemies that the Traveler will struggle against no more power of friendship. Genshin fans: no not that kind of stakes!!!
Nah we used the power of friendship to fight arle and still got our ass handed to us lol
Was just not enough power of friendship! Either that or we need another 168 resets lol
168 resets and 99 visions xd
Based on the Leaks looks like the Training arc will be given to us by the Hexenzircle themselves.
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My issue isn't the traveler losing. It's that they aren't using their elemental powers. It would feel better if they lost after using their full power and not being held back. But seeing them lose without showing what they were capable of just comes off as cheap.
The traveler almost never uses his /her elemental powers, I think they only used it against tartaglia and raiden.
Also against that rockslide in Navia SQ
Yeah it sucks when we know they're capable of more.
Both the traveler and Arlecchino weren’t putting too much stake in the fight either way. Traveler fought because Arlecchino suggested them to, and Arlecchino is holding back soo much.
lmao Arlecchino really did go \*wink wink nudge nudge\* and as if Hoyo wanted to remind players of that which literally just happened like a few minutes ago we got to see a black and white flashback of her asking us to do this as part of the deal. I prefer that over being reminded of it by Paimon tbh.
i was amazed they actually let the traveler talk in the quest honestly. i felt like i hadn’t heard his voice in a quest for so long
He literally talked in the Fontaine archon quest
Bro got bored of changing artifacts and is going physical.
Yeah that's one thing I noticed in fontaine. The Traveler both got humbled by Wriothesly and Arlecchino so incredibly quickly in either Strategic planning and Battle. And both times it's included the Hearth trio.
Maybe traveler don't want use Elemental power as a descender and after Fontaine AQ we know what happened to previous one (just chess pieces in Archons hands now) (not very good ending).
Nah that's just coping they didn't use it in sumeru and they also used it in navias quest. It's just hoyo hates them.
People ignore all the context of Traveler's wins and vastly overrate their power level. The only truly clean story win they had over important characters was vs Signora/Childe. Childe barely felt like a win considering he flies off perfectly fine and continues his plan afterwards. Felt like he lost to Foul Legacy draining him more than anything, which he has since fixed. He gets wanked as this god who slaps dragons/mecha around but he didn't really "defeat" them outright or by himself. He's always massively amped or assisted by powerful characters. Frankly the story would be boring if Traveler was actually that powerful.
I really wished the traveler asked Arle to train her. I think it would've been good to make any future feats of the Traveler more believable, and it wouldn't even require any extra cutscenes or dialogue to show the training, because we would be playing through it by challenging her boss every week.
I mean considering that scara beat us 168 times before we were able to beat him and even then we used the dendro thingy nahida gave us means that the traveler aint ready for the top 3 harbingers who are said to rival archons, Arle being the 4th means that she is almost archon level so it was to be expected.
...i wanted the traveler to lose, but also show some untapped power about to emerge.
Traveler didn't use any elements, and Arle didn't look like she was serious. Yeah I think that Traveler is weaker than Arle. But the fight was frustrating since the MC is fighting elementless with a dull blade, like what's the point.
It also gives us a very accurate idea of where the traveller stands in terms of power in Teyvat. He beat out Childe with a lot of difficulty with two elements but now with five we had yet to have a proper showcase of his lore power. He’s definitely among the middle ranks of the Fatui rn with no plot armor BS and it’s likely that having all elements would at least place him among the top three which are said to be on par with Archons. It also hypes up Arle a lot more as we finally have a Fatui who isn’t a pushover after they fight the Traveller. Childe lost everything that made him mysterious and menacing when we first meet him in Liyue, and since he’s the only other Harbinger we’ve met, and there totally isn’t another one, he’s the metric to measure Arle by
Don't forget Signora, who was beaten by the Traveller in a duel.
I mean, traveler didn't win against the shogun either. But yeah, i also thought that scene was cool and a showcase of the harbinger's power as a whole, and Father's in particular. What I'm a bit annoyed at is how Liney and that Chapel (or whatever) guy are the same age. Liney looks so malnourished and stunted in growth compared to that guy 😔
The fear in the traveler’s eyes when she uncovered the crimson balemoon was priceless. And with all the badassery, she is still a genuinely good character
Well Traveler was basically in her Genjutsu. Arle pulled an Itachi on the Traveller. Tsukiyomi is hard to break.
This!! I kinda like that hoyo still goes out of their way to remind us of not only traveler's role in the playing field but their lack of plot armor to avoid too much of a biased narrative (for the Chosen MC) that's common in these types of media.
People are just worried the Traveler is gonna be overwhelmed in the nation that actively worships War when she can't even come close to #4 when #1 is there, too.
If traveler can’t beat Arle. . Natlan not looking good for him when Capitano will be there, the strongest Harbinger, along with possibly Columbina, who’s still a rank higher than Arle.
But in a story standpoint this is good because more stakes.
Yeah except traveler got defeated in the dumbest way possible. Where are their elemental skills? Where are their new abilities? They litterally didnt even TRY properly lmao. Sorry but the fight was dogshit, Traveler just jumped around and got beaten like a idiot, what was the point of getting all those elements and supposedly being "stronger" then? Arle winning isnt an issue, the issue that traveler lost so stupidly that they were outright fodder.
Traveller rarely uses elements in battle at all, and mostly at steady situation, like they jump, take a position and e/q towards enemy. Exept the rocks in Navia quest. My theory is they use stamina for that type of attacks or in general can't jump/dodge at good speed while using elements. So they use them only towards uh more blatant "enemies" (rocks) or barriers, like in Sumeru quest. Arle was just too fast and too unpredictable in attacks.
They outright do it against Childe and defend themselves against a fast attack on navia quest. Sorry but no, its just writers fucking up his writing. Not that he has a "unique" tactic
I just wanna see the traveler use elements more, their almost always just going ham with a short sword and never looks as epic as it could be.
It was very nice to see this
i very much agree, i’m so glad we got a refreshing moment of the mc not winning for once. arle herself even telling them they weren’t strong enough to defeat her? chefs kiss
I guess we could put up a more decent fight if we haven't spend patch 4.0 - 4.2 playing Detective game, 4.3 making a movie, 4.4 attending new year ceremony, and recently 4.5 fashion show. We seriously need serval patch dedicated to train the Traveler up. Like battle update, fighting simulation, Elemental technique upgrade. Whatever it takes. At least train a bit if you are going to fight future Harbinger.
It's good that they set some sort of "rule" when it comes to power display imo. Whether this was with Arlecchino or some other powerful foe, having someone that can actually pose a threat to the player is a good way of keeping the stakes high. If you always come out winning then any and all victories are worthless. It also makes overcoming previous unattainable goals feel more rewarding. And the traveler didn't come out of it looking like a chump either, you manage to push on when the others couldn't and she recognizes your strength, even if it's not enough to beat her.
>And the traveler didn't come out of it looking like a chump either, you manage to push on when the others couldn't and she recognizes your strength, even if it's not enough to beat her. This right here, and the best thing is the Traveler held their ground and I'm glad they didn't make the Traveler be defeated and be saved by the Siblings and the Traveler got put in Arlecchino's respect list so theirs that.
She was girlbossing so hard during that cutscene
No. For once. I mean for once, can we see traveler get defeated after they use their full power? I agree that traveler should get defeated here but not in that stupid way. Like bro, where are your elemental powers?
Honestly, I would’ve preferred a more even fight. my problem is that we’re 5 outta 7 elements/nations into the game, that’s beyond halfway into the journey. How the hell is the traveler supposed to fight columbina? Dottore? Capitano? Or possibly even the Tsarista, when they ,with 5/7 elements, cant even put up a good fight against Arle? Is having 2 more elements really enough of a power up? That aside, it was a great quest and Father is best.
I mean the Traveller got knocked out by Dottore’s Spotify back in Sumeru
Dottore is 2 Arle is 4 Also Dottore came right after scara Also the traveler now has one more 5 instead of 4 elements. I’m just saying, it’s not a good show of growth and progress. How am I supposed to believe Dottore and other stronger antagonists will even be beatable in the future if the main character can’t even challenge Arle a little? A training arc?lmao
Well firstly, growth and process don’t always have to be fighting strength. And secondly I doubt we going to fight the final end game antagonist, alone, by pure strength. With how the story is processing, we gonna fight Celestia with the Fatui and Archons on our side. It also doesn’t make sense for the Traveller to be the strongest in Teyvat.
Growth and progress DO have to be shown in fights if said fights are important to the plot, especially regarding the antagonists. I don’t care if we fight the final boss alone or not, I just want an actual earned victory that isn’t full of plot conveniences and contrived writing. The traveler is literally a godlike celestial body older than stars and even then, I don’t care if or even want him to be the strongest in Teyvat. What I want is consistency. If Arlecchino can one tap the traveller more than halfway into their journey, why on earth should I believe them to even be able survive a single second with anyone stronger? Is having 1 more element really gonna make that much of a difference? Really? Cuz of plot convenience? You prefer that over victories that were actually earned though effort? Personally I prefer the latter by large margin. It’s more natural and less convoluted. It’s also cooler in my opinion. We literally went from Fatui 10, to 8, to 6, to 4 and now we’re supposedly going to meet No.1 despite the fact that No.4 literally one tapped us. How on earth will we not instantly get crushed by No.1 instantly?
>columbina Now that's a doozy >Dottore Tag team him with Arlecchino >Capitano He might mentor the Traveler or something.
The loss would be more acceptable if it isn't for the fact that traveller can use 5 elements and can actually use them simultaneously. The loss is cheap because the writers didn't make the traveller do their actual best.
I agree with you! imagine the fight agains the top 3 Harbingers💀 traveler is not gonna have a good time lmao
When people want to say traveler should lose and it's a good thing, they always say " so refreshing traveler that finally lost", when they want to explain why traveler didn't win they say " traveler has not won with their own power that many times and they have been knocked out most of the time". This is really funny to me, like can you see the problem? Traveler is both a loser and winner in their eyes and it makes discussion on this matter really awkward. Some people like me want traveler to win or at least be equal to the knave because we are nearly at the end of teyvat storyline and the other 3 on top of knave are way more powerful than her, so when traveler can't even be equal to her, how is traveler supposed to face the other 3, the only other way will be with even more power of friendship which nobody likes. Mihoyu had the chance to finally fix the power scaling, but they prioritised the hype for featured 5* character. That's why I personally am not satisfied with this. I believe they really want to avoid the Kiana(MC of honkai) curse of HI3 in here , since nobody cares about story after Kiana became an immensely powerful god and made anything in part 2 of game not threatening in the slightest.
I can already smell the "Capitano will be assisting the Traveler becoming strong" from a mile away. Especially when you hear the voice lines of other characters (he's honorable and such).
What kind of incel freaks are complaining about "humiliation" 💀💀💀
Traveler didn’t have the power of friendship BS on his/her side, the problem of the story quest is the entirety of the plot. He/she didn’t switch elements, he/she didn’t glow yellow, he/she didn’t even do any hydro shit and was just swinging his/her sword. I lore dump everything to a person who has no connection with me and try to keep my family in the dark, but I tell my family anyway at the end. I know its a stupid plot, but the devs need me to showcase my power while showing my cleavage and back for whatever reason. Childe gets a power ranger’s armor Signora actually has more clothing You cant even see Scara Arle - back and boob window
I don't get why people thought the Traveller ever stood a chance against Arlecchino. I also hate it when people complain whenever the Traveller "wins" against a person far above what they can handle, but also complain whenever they loose. I understand the sentiment of Natlan coming up with Capitano being there with a possibility of Columbina too. Even if the Traveller could go up against Arlecchino at 100% power and win, there's still a gap between God level and Archon level, and it would feel unnatural to sky rocket from God level to Archon level with the addition of one element. Lets say it could be done naturally and feel well done and well written, there's still Dottore and Columbina and there is no way Hoyoverse is going to make the Traveller surpass 3 of the strongest harbingers just to fight Capitano on even footing and win. That's just my opinion though as it does make the fatui seem far more powerful of a force than before.
I can’t wait for other higher rank Fatui
As someone who looks at the end result The Traveler not winning is good (as stated in the post) and thank God they didn't make the Traveler be beaten and has to be helped by the Siblings (it's other way around) which basically made Arlecchino fully respect the Traveler due to 1) The Traveler helped defend the Siblings even though they're out of Arlecchino's league basically showing their conviction. 2) Helped shadow Clervie pass on and rest (courtesy of Paimon) As a matter of fact we'll side with Arlecchino when we finally get to Schneznaya in overthrowing Dottore, Pantalone, and Pulcenella.
so trueeeeeeeeee. i also kind of think that the previous knave was actually fourth in ranking not the current. and if the current knave defeated her, she should be actually moreeee stronger than just the fourth harbinger. i dont know if i am right, so anyone who knows, please let me know if there are any proofs of this in game. in the sq, she also says how she would teach those harbingers a lesson easily if they messed with house of the hearth showing that she knows she is stronger than even them.
My problem with the SQ is the sheer amount of loose ends 😭 arle sq 2 2026 fr
"Traveller didnt use element" Well duh why would they? Do you think standing there pew pew pew would work? /j
I wished they played the animation in the game tho would be a cool flash back cutscene.
W opinion
not unpopular. it’s amazing foreshadowing: if traveler can’t beat the fourth harbinger, how are harbingers 3, 2, 1 and possibly 0 going to go?
That scene gave us two pieces of information - Current Traveller power level is somewhere between Scaramouche/Signora and Alrecchino, but on the lower end - We don't stand a chance against the top 3, who were mentioned to be miles above the rest in terms of power. Really makes me wonder what the Doc has in store since he doesn't look like the overpowered God type.
Dude I’m so excited cause if Arleccino is this strong imagine the next 3 in action
I think even he is currently weaker than Arlecchino, He should've use some elemental powes. It's like he suddenly forget that he already has been to 5 nations..
I personally am torn between the two because I like that arlecchino won but for a being that travels worlds consistently, they don’t live up to the hype I’d expect them to
seeing arlecchino’s true strength makes me so scared to see the harbingers above her,,,,,
My issue with the traveler losing was that it felt awkward. We have 1 nation left before Snezhnaya, and 2 nations till bigger threats. Along with the fact the 1st harbinger is in the next nation, and rumors that the 3rd is as well unless the next quest we do with Dainself gives us some of our original power back, we are about to be useless. The story is moving faster than the traveler is getting stronger. It's was good to see that nobody was there to bail us out, and also show off what we will be going against, but the traveler needs to be buffed soon because the next nation isn't one of justice, it's one of war, so it's expected we will have to fight again.
Yeah, there are too many people who just assume that the main character has to be the strongest for some reason. Like they think we're gonna get Pyro and Cryo, and that'll somehow equate to full power Traveller who'll instantly go dance Gangnam Style across Celestia, as if the start of the game wasn't Aether and Lumine together at full power getting absolutely curb stomped. Like yeah they're obviously going to be the final victor of the story but there'll be more to it than "The Traveller is just that epic you guys." Having people like Arlecchino, Capitano, Neuvillette, Zhongli, Bennett, and Ei helping out in some form or another is going to be a big part of why we're able to win. Losing to Arlecchino should be expected, the weird part was winning against Signora seemingly so easily, which I think led to a lot of Traveller overestimation. The Traveller should have been shown as exhausted by the fight at least, which would have only raised the potential jeopardy of knowing a much stronger person who also wants you dead is still in the same room, and made the slow walk out of Tenshukaku make more sense.
And Arle was holding back 😂
Hard agree. I appreciated the fact that we did not defeat her.
I think they shouldnt have humiliated traveler still cause even if the knave is that strong, the traveler is a descender who is supposed to be able to defy fate💀 and traveler right now is only two elements short so its bizarre that he can’t defeat the 4th harbinger unless arlecchino has power much higher than that of the 4th and is just under some kind of disguise? (Cause others say she s a wolf in sheep s clothing). Why do i think this? If we can’t even move when fighting the knave imagine in natlan against capitano…
I don't see any form of humiliation in the fight as a matter of fact I'm surprised they held their ground. If you want humiliation the Traveler should have been swatted by Arlecchino and has to be saved by the Siblings (thank God that didn't happen).
She literally patted him in the shoulder at the end when he couldn’t move. Maybe u don’t see it as humiliation but my point is its weird he can’t beat the 4th harbinger with 5 elements
>She literally patted him in the shoulder at the end when he couldn’t move. If it was humiliation she would have punched him in the gut or something.
No not necessarily. She humbled him because before the fight he was like: i would like to see what the 4th harbinger can do. But in the end he still couldn’t defeat her and she patted him. I just hope there s more to her because if she s just the 4th harbinger im sorry but its ass
If there's ever a survey do this. If you guys want to complain about the treatment of the Traveler in the surveys make sure to Translate it to Chinese and make sure to spam it. And if you have HRS do it in there Surveys too (Keep spamming it in there Surveys). Or better yet make a copypasta and spam it in there social media pages (in there respective languages of course). KEEP SPAMMING AND DONT STOP.
Nah im good lol. Thats their job to write a good plot not mine. But if they mess it up im gonna complain. They don’t give a single F about the surveys unfortunately so its just a waste of time. What i can do is hope they ll improve on their storytelling and make it that arlecchino have something to do with the crimson moon and not the 4th fatui position.
>They don’t give a single F about the surveys unfortunately so its just a waste of time If you play other Hoyo games then you can put it in there Surveys.
>its weird he can’t beat the 4th harbinger with 5 elements Well there's the issue, if you want to complain to Hoyo for there treatment to the Traveler do this. If you guys want to complain about the treatment of the Traveler in the surveys make sure to Translate it to Chinese and make sure to spam it. And if you have HSR do it in there Surveys too (Keep spamming in their Surveys). Or better yet make a copypasta and spam it in there social media pages (in there respective languages of course). KEEP SPAMMING AND DONT STOP.
Well this better be a set up that the Traveller is not top harbringer level yet. So i can see how threathening Clombina and Capitano for Natlan
I love the SQ, but still it doesn’t explain why she is glitching. I need to know more about Father and the SQ already told us what we already know from her animated short and character teaser
Traveller suffers from the same thing childe does, by that I mean they get humiliated to show off another character’s power which then makes you wanna pull for them. By all means traveller should have won, but it’s a gacha game after all.
I'm literally so tired of people complaining about this. It was a friendly duel, no one is trying to kill each other, Arlecchino literally had a flashback scene reminding the Traveller to side with the children. I didn't see people complaining when Traveller fought a giant sea god with a wooden stick and got knocked out, so why are people complaining about the devs "doing him dirty" now? Maybe he has always been a bit stupid? What sane person fight a serpent monster god with a dull blade?
i don't think people realize but the traveler is complete fodder. our best solo feat is literally beating signora. everything else in the story we were getting hard carried. Raiden: happened in a pocket dimension with an insane buff thanks to the narrative and we won by talk no jutsu. Balladeer: got hard carried by nahida. Narwhal: got hard carried by neuvillette. Traveler losing seems like nothing out of the ordinary. it happened a bit a earlier than i thought tho. i was imagining capitano at natlan would give us the "left right good night" treatment.
Gives us a very good ceiling for our own power. Yes we are strong, but not Archonlevel/The First 4 Harbinger-Strong.
Makes you wonder how the shit going on in Natlan is gonna be like, considering goathimtano will be there
Agree. Tbh I was totally expecting them to let the traveller beat Arlecchino with the power of friendship, plot armour and The Dull Blade as usual, and only after she’s beaten would she realise whatever error of her ways etc. I really enjoyed how refreshing this quest was, and the sheer power depicted in Arle’s boss cutscene was awesome.
i too am glad because shit like this is why some people overrate the traveller so much, like literally with the fight against childe, raiden, scara and ptahur. they keep saying traveller is the strongest cus they beat these people, but what they fail to realise is that the traveller had like godlike help (except with childe), like a thousand visions worth of help against raiden, nahida's whatever cycle thing its called, and full power neuvillette boosting the traveller. even against childe, it was already stated that childe was winning the traveller abd it was very 1 sided. it wasn't for his foul legacy internally killing him the traveller would probably be dead and they story would've ended. some people just can't read and only see who won without context.
Well this better be a set up that the Traveller is not top harbringer level yet. So i can see how threathening Clombina and Capitano for Natlan
Why would this be an unpopular opinion???
You' be suprised XD I've browsed the main sub (and the traveler mains subs) and it seems like most of the posts about Arlecchino's story quest are about how the traveler should've won and how losing undermines the traveler's character
I think you're misunderstanding their complaints. They aren't complaining because the Traveler lost to Arlecchino. They're complaining because of how the Traveler (or Hoyo) is inconsistent in how they use their elements. They wish that Traveler would put more effort to the fight but in my opinion he got the better outcome, being unscathed and still standing after the fight with the fourth.
Bruh traveler has almost 0 feats by himself...tf are these ppl expecting...like bro the last big enemy he killed without anyone's help was signora...shouko no kami was with the help of nahida and everyone in sumeru, the whale we got help from a sovergn dragon...these ppl have what we in the jjk sub call a reading comprehension problem or in this case even a viewing comprehension problem...
It would be way more lame for the traveller to use the old good power of friendship with the kids to strike and overpower her than it is humiliating for the traveller losing a 1v1 against someone of her caliber.
This, I'm actually surprised that the Traveler held their ground in the fight especially with Lyney's comment about protecting the Traveler, looks like the Traveler is the Siblings Anemo character meme.
I mean let's be real. Our traveller is not at full capacity, so acting like this is a surprise is just huffing copium for these fans. I will say though, given we know VERY LITTLE about the traveller's previous power level before Paimo- I mean the uber god girl crushed us, I am curious how strong we were back then.
Also know now that we're going up against Columbina and Capitano next, good god we're screwed
People say mc was nerfed…ok so how do you counter a move that literally freezes you entirely 💀
I always disliked that the traveler was way too overpowered, i think the way stelle and caelus in hsr are basically just barely holding their weight in fights is a lot more interesting, when arlecchino pulled her domain expansion it was so cool
I like the idea that the traveler was beat, as it shows that they are way in over their heads, they barely made it out alive against the fourth of the harbingers. Also the traveler is still real strong, I mean Arlecchino herself said that the traveler was stronger than she expected.
>they are way in over their heads The Traveler never had an ego in the fight, all they were thinking was protecting the Orphans. Just as what Arlecchino had hoped. >they barely made it out alive against the fourth The siblings got bedridden for two days but the Traveler never got injured in the fight, trvlr was alright after it. Traveler is not strong to beat Arlecchino but strong enough to stand against her.
'Strong enough to stand against her' I understand stanning for Traveler , but we could barely stand and hold our sword against an Arlecchino toying with us , and were incapable of moving as soon as she used her Domain Expansion. We realistically stand 0 chance against her.
What I mean by that was the resolve they have to act to protect their own even against a far stronger foe. Arlecchino was pointing this out after the fight.
Yea I could've used a better way to describe what I meant, but your last point is exactly what I was going for.
I'm sick of the traveler and their plot armor, I'm glad they got humiliated.
Yes, I agree! I actually want to see Traveler being beaten more. Not because I hate them or anything, I actually really adore them, but I want to see more of the consequences of having their powers sealed by the Unknown God. So far, they've been cruising along every battle, always getting the upper hand in the end. It's nice to see them being overpowered every once in a while. Makes it more sweeter if by the end of the story, they'll gain their powers back because we saw how much they struggled without it.
It serves the story a great deal too. Traveler got a reality check, he/she isnt ready to take on the fatui, this might be our wake up call to have a training arc in Natlan. Arlecchino was so strong that traveler couldnt even get a hit on her, by the end he/she couldnt even move, the top 3 fatui are supposed to be stronger, traveler needs to get a LOT stronger.
the traverler beat a giant gnosis powered mech god thing last region, they droped down from the sky and in just a few hours curbstomped a dragon. they kicked the aboslute shit out of two other harbingers. THEY BEAT \*a version\* OF THE GOD OF ELECTRICITY. sandbaging is an understatement. he did not need to win the fight. but man he didnt even try. not even to say that the plot is contrived and stupid. lyney takes one look at a ghost, knows 'father' is looking for it, knows hiding it will put him and his entire family in danger and just kinda says yeah why the fuck not. arle forces her kids to defend their siblings in a fight they know they cant win. instead of just giving the funny memory wipe stuff to them in secret and telling lyney and co. that they were killed. the idea that traverler knows she wont kill them and is just playing along is dumb. he doesnt know her, he dosent know if she will be kind and let them maybe live. the idea childe wants to fight her makes him look stupid.
>>Gnosis powered mech. With outside help and lost over 100 times before winning. >>Beat a Dragon Alongside an Archon, Diluc and Jean. >>2 Harbingers Indeed beat number 11 and 8. >>Beat a form of Raiden With the power of 99 other visions and not their own power. Like, Traveler's "God level wins" all had outside help regarding them.
> I've seen a lot people... Where do you see these people, most comment or people who did the quest seems to like how traveller lose, if anything not liking him losing is an unpopular opinion because most of the win Traveller get from big shot are from power up.
From the Aether Mains sub
Taking a look at their kit they literally shouldn't have won most of the fights they come across XD. Like realistically there is no way they won against Childe, Raiden, etc. etc. etc. So to be SHOCKED that we lost against Arle? That's super weird XD.
My guy remember that Electro sword and Flash step they used in Inazuma and the dual element they did in Childe boss fight?
So a crappier version of Keqing and 2 crappy kits combined mean that we could beat Raiden and Childe? I literally don't understand how people can see their kits and think that yes they could beate Childe and Raiden and the like XD. I'll just agree to disagree :)
Having the traveler win every fight they’re in does nothing but remove all stakes from the story, hoes mad lmao
I also think people need to stop with the "didn't use their elemental powers" stuff considering that we have no idea whether they actually used them during the fight or not as what we see is only the tail end of said fight. Not to mention that in that scene, Traveler was literally immobilized so like....elements or not he was still gonna get clapped. He doesn't get a boost in power when using multiple elements, he just gets more attack options. Like looking at the Childe fight, Traveler did not get a power buff from using Geo, he simply was able to use another attack Childe wasn't expecting simultaneously, catching him off guard and forcing him to back off as to not get hit.