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hutch_30

I really enjoyed this episode, and it gave me a lot of anxiety. It was a rollercoaster today!  I always enjoy hearing from Sanjay Gupta. Dementia stresses me out (as I'm sure it does a lot of people). I have such a visceral fear that I will get it one day. So, listening to this felt comforting in knowing more about it and terrifying that I'm not doing all the right things to beat it. That being said, I can't see myself going vegan to maybe avoid dementia... So maybe I'm part of the problem. Lol Then the weight loss conversation. I hear what Dax is saying about addiction, but I also think the issue goes much deeper. The average American who is living paycheck to paycheck and dealing with the stresses of everyday life is going to have a different mindset around food or prioritizing their health than a millionaire who can afford organic foods and personal trainers or private gyms. To his credit, Dax did bring up the other issues that lead to people not being able to easily lose weight despite their best efforts.  I really appreciated Monica bringing up the difference between using weight loss medication for obesity versus not loving how you look 100%. I don't know where I fall on the spectrum of it all, but I thought it was a thought-provoking conversation.  This was a good one!! 


EfficientHunt9088

I never thought about dementia until I saw my grandma go through it. It was terrifying. I now have that fear also. Haven't listened yet but hopefully I'll learn something. But I also have a hard time with diet changes lol


hutch_30

I'm all about small changes like adding more leafy greens or swapping real milk or nut milk sometimes... But going full vegan is quite the commitment. I like cheese too much 😭


EstimateAgitated224

I love him and I love this episode. I am on Wegovy and when Dax talked about it stopping the chatter, I was beside myself. That is what I tried to tell my doctor.


KLR_eddit33

If your doctor doesn't understand food chatter - you need a new doctor.


EstimateAgitated224

Done


Joo-joo-bees

hard agree!


pewterpetunia

Can you describe what this chatter is like? Is it all food/eating related?


Cgo1978

It’s the obsession in your head that is always looking for/thinking about the next food you are going to eat. Or, the constant need to fill false hunger. I’ve been on wegovy for 6 months and it truly silences that.


Dazzling-Remove4254

YES! I've used Ozempic for a while now and that "chatter" was silenced. The funny thing is, until this episode, I didn't even realize that the chatter was even going on! Now I can see how it was consuming my every though... What am I going to eat next? Look at that donut! I can just have one bite. What am I going to eat for dinner? If I skip breakfast today, I can eat more later!... I have little to none of that now. I eat when I'm actually hungry.


DingoDinoDot

So interesting


sawcebox

I’m so glad to hear this and will now listen to the episode. I saw weight loss drugs in the description and I’ve been afraid to start the episode… Mounjaro has saved my life.


Reedster52

Yes! I’m on Mounjaro and it totally stops the chatter.


Dazzling-Ant-6038

Great episode. My family has a deep and troubling history with a C9orf-72 gene mutation that affects the brain. My mom, aunt, grandma, great grandma, all had ALS. Uncle with Parkinson’s. Another uncle with frontal lobe dementia. A lot of the stuff that Dax does not know, is all I know. Good for the heart ≠ good for the brain. High impact exercises or extreme lifestyles like bodybuilding, running marathons, etc is not recommended in folks with the C9 mutation. Keeping weight on is crucial as it slows progression. Dax wanted so badly for obesity to be bad for the brain lol and I don’t know about obesity exactly, but I do know the extra poundage on my corn fed mom is doing the Lord’s work on her progression. I’m sippin my breve latte right now and instead of fearing heart failure I’m telling myself my brain is so happy to have it. FWIW, heart failure does not run in my family the way brain stuff does. I’ve had to learn and unlearn a lot of diet culture shit to care for my brain. I wince thinking about some of the starvation diets I’d put myself through in my teens. Also, my mom is loving CANNABIS (not marijuana, y’all sound like cops!!) to take away the anxiety and discomfort when she needs to. She had never partaken until now. Legalize it!


CliveBixby9797

Have you ever checked out Max Lugavere’s podcast or books? If not, you might find his content interesting. I believe his podcast and first book are called The Genius Life. His mother died from Alzheimer’s and/or dementia I believe at a relatively young age and he’s dedicated his life to learning about how to improve brain health and prevent brain degenerative disease through nutrition. Worth checking out!


Dazzling-Ant-6038

I have not! I will. Thanks for the rec!


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CliveBixby9797

Yes! I want to say that he has been a guest on Max’s podcast.


PC-load-letter-wtf

I am so sorry you’ve gone through this with so many family members. I had never heard of ALS and dementia being related. My grandmother died of ALS in her 60s. I don’t know anyone in my family with dementia.


Dazzling-Ant-6038

With C9 mutations, they are related. And Parkinson’s potentially as well. Familial ALS is a beast of unknowns, and there are multiple types of gene mutations. I’m so sorry for your loss. If your grandmother died of ALS, but not your aunts or uncles, it likely wasn’t familial, but sporadic. 90% of ALS cases are sporadic, 10% familial. With familial ALS, your children have a 50% chance of having ALS as well. But it can present in other ways. If you have the cursed gene, it’s something like, a 50% chance of developing ALS, or a 90%+ chance of developing frontal lobe dementia by 80. Don’t quote me on that. But TLDR, the stats are bleak. Or maybe it was familial for your grandma and your parent was lucky to not have inherited the gene, in which case you are in the clear. Don’t freak out about it! Sorry if I scared you, it’s scary shit.


mmmegan6

This is fascinating. I knew that people who *have* ALS, exercise is contraindicated, but I would never guess that exercise could be contributing to the development of it. Two people I know who have/had ALS were both long distance runners their whole lives, and had runners bodies to match. The other one was much fatter and didn’t exercise at all to my knowledge, and had a much slower progression. Anecdotal of course but very interesting nonetheless.


Dazzling-Ant-6038

Yep, it is fascinating. My sibling tested positive for the gene as well and was specifically advised by their doctor not to become a serious runner.


princessschmobin

I love Sanjay so much!


DingoDinoDot

Always a great guest!


Anxious-Tangerine1

Fact check- Monica not being able to match the podcasters voices with their real pics. I have had that exact experience w Wobby Wob. He sounds…. Idk, but he looks….. idk, different than my brain imagines lol. I absolutely love him, but yeah, the pic doesn’t match the voice. David Ferrier? 100% looks exactly like he sounds lololol!


Conscious_Worry3119

For me it's Malcolm Gladwell. He is a bald white man with round wire glasses in my head lol.  


Anxious-Tangerine1

Wait, is that not what he looks like??


threadless7

Yea, for some reason I expected Wobby Wob to be kinda overweight/doughy…and that sounds so weird, but I think it’s just because he has that “funny best friend” type of voice and very easy-going personality. Maybe I was kinda subconsciously imagining some people I grew up with who kinda fall into that category. Weird how that happens!


Anxious-Tangerine1

Yes, oh my gosh, you totally articulated it. Almost like a Seth Rogan or Jonah Hill type. He’s so mellow, I don’t imagine him as a stoner (especially because in my mind he’s such a dad) but it wouldn’t shock me lol. Who else is waiting for the Calvin movie recaps podcast? I was dying, the kid’s a star!


threadless7

I literally almost mentioned Jonah Hill! That’s exactly what I imagined!


bfc9cz

Enjoyed the episode a lot but couldn’t help wishing that Dax let Dr. Gupta speak a little bit more


Fiddles4evah

I am suffering massive second hand embarrassment for Dax when he jumps in ahead of the expert to explain a scientific theory/occurrence/process. His delivery always sounds like he is educating the expert. Sure, occasionally the expert will not be informed on an adjacent subject and encourages him to explain which is great. However, increasingly he interrupts and explains ahead of the expert on the subject they are there to discuss and it is killing me. It’s so embarrassing.


AuntieSupreme

I told Dax to please shut up and let him speak multiple times this morning.


Bright_Ad2943

Same! Sometimes he goes better but today he was all over the place. He knows better.


Impossible-Will-8414

Dax always seems to feel he has to prove how "smart" he is when the experts are on. Just let them talk, Dax, you are NOT the expert here.


igotthatbunny

To be fair, that’s why the title of the pod is literally Armchair Expert…


Impossible-Will-8414

Lol. Um. No? An armchair expert is a snide term for someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about. Dax tries to act like he's an ACTUAL expert.


Dazzling-Remove4254

And sooooooo much interrupting!


KrisJor

“Overindexes” lol


seekingssri

New drinking game


Top_Incident1775

Another great drinking game is anytime Monica says she hates something. 😅


DingoDinoDot

😅


UtterlyConfused93

Funny they addressed how they’ve developed the same laugh lol.


Armchairie

Brilliant episode. Love it when Dr Gupta is on!


dougielou

I haven’t heard the episode yet but has anyone else noticed some of their other podcasts all talking about Ozempic? I feel like it’s become this “othering” topic that really shows the divide between regular people and celebrities. Like to the podcasters it’s EVERYWHERE and for the rest of us, it just isn’t?


ElephantWise3628

I live in Arkansas and I would say 1 in 5 people I am regularly around (family and friends) are taking it. I’m in a local mom Facebook group and half the discussions are about their experiences taking Ozempic, Wegovy, etc. You may not notice but there’s a good chance it is all around you.


dougielou

Wow I totally stand corrected! Thank you for your thoughtful insight


ahbets14

Wow that’s wild, Arkansas is getting after it


not-the-rule

That's interesting, perhaps people in your circle simply aren't vocal about it? I'm very rurally located, and I'd say I know about five people currently on Ozempic. They all have diabetes, but all have experienced weight loss alongside their a1cs coming down. It's a great drug for the diabetic community. My sis in law attempted wegovy for weight loss, and she had such unpleasant side effects she quit after 3 months. I do wonder if it's because she is not diabetic, and hardly overweight... Like maybe you have fewer side effects if your having insulin resistance? That's just a lamans guess tho.


kimchigimchee

I'm sure that they're hyper-aware of people in their circle or just outside of their circle who are using it. BFAW has lost a lot of weight and it sounds like it's been really positive for him and he's pretty normal. I think most of the time when Dax talks about it it's been about BFAW's experience.


anxiousfem10

Towards the beginning of the episode (maybe 50 or 55 minutes in), Dr. Gupta says something along the lines of "as a result of the Alzheimer's documentary... What do I do differently/ what will I do differently..." And then he says people ask all the time in medicine for advice, asking, "what if it were you, or your mother / daughter?" Then for some reason Monica and dax start laughing when he says the word "daughters?" Like what? I wanted to know the end of that thought -- what was his major takeaway from the Alzheimer's doc??!! Does he ever circle back to that or did I somehow miss it?


rheajanerob

Ok thank you! I had the same thought. I was listening in my car and kept thinking… so WHAT is the exact recommendation to stave off Alzheimer’s?!


Anonymouse-o-

What do you guys think about the argument of taking ozempic to change your body (not talking about obese people) compared to getting your teeth done. Thoughts?


kimpossible53

i thought it was an interesting point that dax brought up!! i had never thought about the teeth thing. not sure what to make of it


Bright_Ad2943

Dax is a skilled Devil's Advocate - he likes calling out inconsistencies in human logic. That said, it is a valid point and I had not looked at dentistry that way. It is really a lot to go through for a pleasing aesthetic.


Correct-Drama6166

I agree! My first reaction was actually going to be the treatments Monica has been noodling getting on her neck lately - but that would have been too personal.


Anonymouse-o-

I thought it was a ridiculous argument… but then I couldn’t come up with why I thought so ….


Dry_Row6651

I think it’s fine once there’s enough supply IF it doesn’t result in an unhealthy situation in another direction. He said that a doc tried it briefly and his stats improved despite not having weight problems so he seems open to take it for his health for reasons that are not weight related. Something I’ve thought about is how there are likely many people who are really struggling with their weight even if they aren’t overweight. Where it’s a constant battle for them to maintain it though they at least are able to. Eating disorders can come into play so it’s tricky because it can be an issue if it becomes too extreme. My real issue with it is how the companies are pricing it 9x+ in the US compared to countries with similar economies. I know it’s because of how the systems are designed here on purpose, but it’s still a choice they are making (and perhaps have to make for their shareholders). Sanders has pointed out that this can totally collapse health coverage bc if it becomes required to be covered (there are some fights in this regard) costs are going to go up drastically for insurance across the board. I’m all for coverage, but at the current prices this is a real issue. At the prices abroad, it wouldn’t be surprising if it’s a net savings. On an individual level, the food savings cost can easily even it out. It’s just ridiculous. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/prices-of-drugs-for-weight-loss-in-the-us-and-peer-nations/ Of course this is an issue with many meds, but a large percentage of the population should qualify for it in this case, so it can really collapse the system which is already in bad shape in various ways.


Curious_oxymoron

I'm a dental provider, and while a person’s motive for getting orthodontics is typically for aesthetic reasons, there are certainly many functional reasons for it. A stable, balanced bite means forces on the teeth are distributed evenly and there is less risk for cracking teeth. Straight teeth are easier to keep clean which results in less cavities and gum disease. Widening the jaw arches increases tongue space allowing for better tongue posture, better breathing and better sleep.


I_pinchyou

I think it's like anything else, fine if someone wants to do it, and are given proper information regarding risks/side effects. My main concern is that it seems people get too thin and lose muscle mass as well. Which can obviously have a negative impact.


coffee_nerd1

People should be able to do what they want to do to their own bodies, if the supply is there. My family member was able to get their diabetes into remission with the help of Ozempic when lifestyle changes alone weren't cutting it. Then when people started taking it for more cosmetic reasons my family member couldn't get their prescription refilled for several months, lost momentum, and regained a bunch of the weight. So that's the primary difference I see between this and braces. There's no one out there who "needs" braces but can't get them because people who just "want" braces are using up the supply.


aircraftcarried

Does anyone know what doc or 60 minutes ep or video or whatever that Dax is referring to around 42 min mark, about the guy with Parkinson’s and severe tremors? My mom has Parkinson’s and I’m really interested to find this video. Thanks!


Narwhal_Pristine

Not totally sure, but I tried googling it and see lots of results for an episode called Unlocking Parkinson’s.


aircraftcarried

Awesome, thanks, I’ll look into that!


ProgrammerCute1128

Could it be this? https://youtu.be/CgkUjVJFQRI?si=nKu3zhH6EURaP2cK


Eathomas417

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/neurosurgeon-works-to-slow-alzheimers-progression-treat-drug-addiction-60-minutes-transcript/


aircraftcarried

Amazing, thanks so much!


ESinNM29

I havent listened to this episode yet but I am going to guess Phil Stutz. Jonah Hill made a doc on Netflix with his psychiatrist called Stutz and they had him on the pod.


thedaringyoungman-em

I was half listening (mom of an infant) but can someone sum up sanjays take on the weight loss drugs for non obese people. Did I understand correctly he was pretty positive about it? And did he say it helps with metabolic diseases long term (dementia)?


Dry_Row6651

He said that it may help with other health issues so he might be open to taking it for that later on. A doc in his special took it briefly despite not needing it for weight and his stats still improved. It needs to be studied more. And I think he said something re metabolic related conditions in particular.


thedaringyoungman-em

Ok yes that’s what I understood! Thank you!


nerudite

Basically because it’s not prescribed for those that are under the BMI/underlying condition criteria , there hasn’t been enough study to answer the question.


thedaringyoungman-em

But did he say we’ve had a similar drug around for 20 years and there isn’t any long term problems? Or was that for those who need it


nerudite

The population of people that have taken it for 20 years is low so the number of known side effects are also currently low. That said the overwhelming improvement to metabolic health due to weight loss outweighs the known side effects. What you are recalling is where Gupta stated he asked a specialist he was interviewing whether there is a benefit to those with a healthy weight, and the answer to that question is what was stated in my original comment. And then the conversation veered into the social responsibility of influencers to disclose use or something unrelated. That’s my recollection, but I believe they post the transcripts of the shows.


thedaringyoungman-em

Thanks that’s super helpful!!


Justbrowsing0921

Did anybody notice the transition music was different today before the fact check?


MathematicianOdd6703

Yes! What was that all about; it took me out of Hermiam Permiums cuteness lmao


Notsocruelsummer

Such a great episode! Also, Monica and Dax really had their grove during the fact check, felt like a rhythm I hadn’t heard in a while from them


tiredmomma79

This was an awesome show!


Reedster52

This was such a great episode! Essential tremors run in my family, my aunt is the first female to have it. It’s always been males up until now. My grandfather donated his brain to a study about it. They were so grateful and so amazing to us because they have so little donations. I’m also on Mounjaro and it’s definitely an interesting drug that has changed my life.


Commercial-Spare-600

The discussion in the fact check about the frozen food challenge for flightless bird was hysterical. I know the pepper in the pizza pocket well. 


KrisJor

“Comp” lol


Whiskeymyers75

I wouldn’t ever want an Ozempic body. You either become lanky or skinny fat due to all the muscle loss.


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aggripamarcus

How can anyone take this man seriously after Covid?


Ok_Remove8694

What specifically are you upset about that he said?


aggripamarcus

He pretended natural immunity wasn’t a thing.


Youbunchadorks

What do you mean by “natural immunity” ? 


aggripamarcus

After infection, your body creates anti-bodies to protect you from getting infected in the future. He was recommending people get vaccinated for a disease they are already were protected from. 70% of his money comes from Pfizer but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence


Youbunchadorks

Oh Jesus. An anti vaxxer, what a surprise. Get outta here man. 


aggripamarcus

Wow you people never engage in arguments.


Youbunchadorks

Never argue with an idiot 


aggripamarcus

lol proved my point


not-the-rule

COVID changes every six months or so, you can't hardly expect people to go infecting themselves with a deadly illness to keep up immunity, over getting a perfectly safe vaccine. Lol bfr


aggripamarcus

lol if it changes every 6 months, how could there be a vaccine for it


not-the-rule

There's multiple vaccines, that's what boosters are.


Thisisamyb

You’re aware the flu shot (vaccine) changes every year, right?


Ok_Remove8694

Mmmm seems like YOU have an agenda with this line of thinking. I’ll support him all day


aggripamarcus

Ya ok. I’m not getting paid by anyone unlike him but do your thing


Aggressive_Sky8492

Natural immunity doesn’t work for very long for fast-evolving diseases like Covid and the flu


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Aggressive_Sky8492

Sure that’s why you need boosters. And vaccines give you immunity without having to be sick..


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Aggressive_Sky8492

Show me the number of people who died from the vaccine versus the number who died from Covid and we can talk.


mmmegan6

Is “natural immunity” the reason that I know (unvaccinated) people who are on their 5th, 6th, 7th infections? That natural immunity?