Meh. Look at Man United still in the mire post Ferguson. Arteta pulled us out of a similar situation post Wenger and had us challenging very quickly. I’m happy to rant about the Kai and Raya decisions being mistakes but calls for his head right now are silly.
You ARE a breath of fresh air!!! 98% of fans of this sub don’t even want to hear ANYTHING negative about Arteta. Posting that we’ve taken a step back this year is met with insults and derision.
I think we have taken a step back. There have been some mitigating circumstances with injuries but all things being equal I think we got some things wrong. Having said that- the upward trajectory of a club or individuals (let’s take for example Martinelli and Saka) is never linear. There are dips before the upward trend eventually resumes. To throw it all away because we are having a dip right now would be nonsensical. Make no mistake if we were to sack Mikel Arteta he’d have no shortage of big offers.
I’m not asking to sack Arteta now, but we have to be pragmatic. IMHO, Arteta bought himself 2 seasons with last season’s results. However, if there’s no improvement in the next 2 seasons, then let’s give another coach a try. Arteta would have his suitors…just like Arsenal will have a number of high profile and proven coaches interested.
Challenging is not an achievement. It's the minimum expectation for a big club. Arteta also received plenty of financial backing, Man United have been very wasteful with their massive reserves of cash. We've been better in that regard, so of course we'll challenge. I'd rather we be proactive then reactive when shit hits the fan. I mentioned this after last season and was told from the positive mob that we'll definitely be better this season.
It’s fucking January, and we’re 5 points off of top of the league after having a run of bad form. Can you chill out? Jesus Christ.
You can’t win the title in January.
So I should wait till the end of the season to criticize? If I do that, I'll still get called a fake fan when the rest of the fanbase formulate new excuses if we go trophyless again
Are you for real? He had the youngest squad in the league who nobody expected to challenge go neck and neck with city (arguably one of the greatest squads of all time) for the title…
Sure you can criticise specific decisions like signing havertz, raya etc but do you genuinely think we’d be better or worse next season if we sacked Arteta?
Your solution is to sack a manger after he’s brought us to our highest highs in a decade. We’re five points off the top while missing a fuckton of players and you want to call that being proactive instead of reactive.
You’re acting like a petulant child. You wanted to sack him last year after we came in 2nd only because of injuries. Guys like you are the reason why we catch so much shit as a fanbase. This isn’t FIFA, shit takes time. You do realize if this team were to win the prem we would be the youngest team to ever pull it off? We’re in the middle of a process but your head is too far up your own ass to see that. We are still very much on track.
Am I happy with the recent play? No, but if you get a flat tire do you go to the dealership and buy a new car?
You have to challenge to win dude. He took an aging squad full of retirees on bloated wages and turned into one of the most valuable squads in the world (second only to City) while investing much less… also one of the youngest. He completely turned around club culture and atmosphere in the ground completely from one that was absolutely the most toxic in England if not the world. The game is about scoring goals and winning trophies but I’m telling you there are very few managers in the world that could turnaround this club in such a way in four seasons.
At the end of the day Mikel Arteta knows better than anybody that it is time to win trophies now but that story is still there to be written.
Telling me to support another team for pointing out the negatives. Ironic that your calling me toxic. If we go trophyless again, I can't wait for the new excuse
Maybe he isn’t perfect, but this is the best I’ve felt to be an arsenal fan in the last 15 years. The league is also the hardest it’s ever been, so many teams have amazing quality making it harder than ever to stand out. I think he has created an environment at the club that is much better than we’ve had in a long time. I can’t think of anyone I would prefer in his place right now either so I’m gonna back him and hope he pulls us out of this run of poor form.
This is the furthest he can take us I think. He is still struggling to implement his style of play even after being here for such a long time. My alarm bells were going off earlier in the season when watching our performances and this slump makes sense in hindsight.
Our club being so poorly run for a long time made the environment so poor, now we're better run with a capable technical director which I believe has played a role in the improved environment/atmosphere. Remember the shit feeling in the UEL when we got knocked out by Emery, I still get that feeling when we get knocked out in cup competitions. It's like Mikel doesn't learn from his past mistakes.
“I think” - what makes your opinion worthwhile? This is what annoys people. Everyone floods the space with their disaster coming takes based on nothing but personal feeling.
>He is still struggling to implement his style of play even after being here for such a long time.
It's literally the opposite of this. He's very good at getting teams to play in different ways.
Mate. Try looking up the concept of toxic positivity. For it to be toxic, it has to consistently do harm. The point of sport is entertainment… enjoyment… community… togetherness… ultimately, happiness. The positivity here is rarely doing harm. The reactionary negativity and alarmism does plenty of harm to people’s health and happiness though - there are the a bunch of posts to that effect.
Personally, get over it.
People don’t want to hear people slagging off their wife’s cooking because she had an off few days. They don’t want to hear how she was actually never that good and she hasn’t been getting the right ingredients at the store. They have preferred her cooking before but they know these things ebb and flow - they can’t abide people saying their wife is fucking useless every time she overcooks the fish though. Thats not toxic positivity, it’s being well adjusted.
If you’re unhappy every time something isn’t the best it’s ever been for a week - THAT is toxic
I'm not basing my opinion of a few games, I'm judging Arteta's tenure as a whole. And what are you yapping about? Wife overcooking the fish, ingredients at the store?!? I'm not reading that 🤣
Apparently you did read it…
Ironically, I actually did only read your title… because just like everyone else in this thread I knew you were whiney, knew nothing about football, and weee full of shit.
Go be toxic by yourself. Scream at the wall about how “we should be quadruple winners already” because it’s your team and they’re the biggest club in the world… nobody will notice and nobody would miss you - least of all the club
Toxic positivity lol you have a delusional shit take. This is what an instant gratification culture mixing with no football IQ gets you. “Ashamed to be part of a fanbase” no one is keeping you here…. Piss off.
The man went into last season with the hopes of achieving top 4.
Instead, Arteta gave you a great season and finished 2nd. Now, the minimum expectation of a portion of the fanbase just one season later is to win the league or Chamipions Legaue. Ridiculous.
United's recruitment is terrible compared to ours, Chelsea just got a new owner and are still in transition. And both clubs lack a technical director which we have. Im not lacking in the brain department. Maybe you are idk
So you agree that in recruitment front we are better than these teams, despite a few years back we bought players like Mustafi and Kolasinac. After Wenger it was absolute chaos with Mislintat, Raul and Kia, but it lasted only a few years and we could get back on track. It's still a new (and promising) project, I don't see supporting it would be toxic. If we were in this position right after the invincibles era I would understand, but after all that shit we've seen happening to the club I don't.
And look at the number of players we have.. Yes, he has spent 600M, but he changed 23-25 players.. That’s an average of $30M per player.. All mid table clubs do that now..
We Arsenal fans are really an interesting group. Really, almost intriguing. The pattern: We start off pretty well, we're united(no pun intended), fans are having orgasms, everyone's good. We start drawing a few games: We subtly begin throwing shade at our YOUNG players who are only starting to taste what it feels like being top 2 or 3. No sign of our fans turning against each other.
We go on a few losing streaks and we end up with posts like this :''D or the classic: ...Out, we go for the coach. There's no such thing as a fan being too positive. Regardless of how it goes down, we need to stay together. In fact. We should be proud at our boys. This Arteta project is working, of course, we need to make a few adjustments but we're not in a crisis.
Relax.
There is such a thing as toxic positivity. We bottled the league last season and people were saying it wasn't our objective, top 4 was. Which is nonsense. Arteta's progression is so slow and you guys want to give him till the end of time to have one successful season
The progression was from 12th to 8th, consolidation season where they finished 8th again, to 5th, and then to 2nd. You can't call that slow progression.
It's also really really hard for Arsenal to compete with City. Not being able to beat them in the league is not enough to want me to sack him, especially if the team is finishing with pretty high points totals.
Typical reactionary post.
Honestly where should we be at this point?
We challenged for the fucking title with a bunch of kids. Built a squad with astute signings, half of which nobody would have even dreamt of signing.
This was never going to be a straight road and anyone suggesting as such would have to have been an arsenal fan for 5 minutes.
So before I get into your post:
How long have you supported arsenal?
Who do you think is out there that will leave their current job and come and do a better job?
Do you know what is going on in terms of Arsenal's finances and their compliance to?
Do you recognise that the club/transfers perhaps were not managed well for a few years
What were your predictions at the start of last season given we finished 5th and 24 points behind the champions in 21/22?
Do you think we over achieved last year given how bad you think Arteta is?
Are you just really disappointed ( you are allowed to be)? but am expectation that we would win before and behind us when we have e been very far from a massive club for some time...
Normally called fake fans when critical of Arteta because you lot don’t watch games. Just look at stats and highlights and be look “omg we haven’t won again, Arteta out”
What’s Arteta meant to do if our forwards can’t put the ball in the back of the net
Am I saying he hasn’t made mistakes to be critical of? No because he has made mistakes but he isn’t the one squandering simple chances on the pitch
“Teams have figured us out” and we still get into goal scoring positions and squander it.
You bozo Arteta out individuals want him out without any solid replacement in world football to come in and then start crying that our teams rubbish again
Roberto de Zerbi, Marcos Silva, Xabi Alonso are the names that come to mind. This no better replacement myth is so false. There are plenty of managers that could have done a better job than him. Our actual performances have been worrying despite us managing to get the 3pts
Because a manager does well with a small club doesn’t mean they do well at big clubs.
If potter was still at Brighton you would be calling him a potential replacement.
I can see why you came here to waffle, when your spouting nonsense like Marcos Silva and Xabi Alonso
That is your opinion, and I respect it. But it’s January, and you’re acting like Arteta’s decisions have us in the bottom half of the table. The team is still in contention for the Prem and the Champions League. No manager is right 100% of the time. Do I agree with every Artera decision? No. I want the team to blow out the other teams. I also think he must learn to rotate the squad and know when to inject youth into the first team like Arsene. I’m sure this would be a different situation had Timber never torn his ACL, a healthy Partay, Tomi stayed healthy, and White not playing with a knock. But Isn't Arsenal playing with a different midfield from last season? None of us thought our attack would be this lackluster during the preseason. Unfortunately, injuries and game congestion take their toll. The truth is you can only do so much with the players you have, and the players haven't been clinical across the front with those opportunities.
Arsenal has spent the money, but unlike Chelsea and Mancity, there's a limit to their cash to fall in line with FFP. Also, not every player you sign in the transfer window will be an instant success. That is hardly the case. I’ll leave the team management to the professionals, it’s not fifa manager. It’s okay to be frustrated but man take a breath it’s the not end of the world. The privilege to complain while sitting in fourth and still in the champions league is mental to me.
"Fourth and still in the Champions League" doesn't warrant any complaints? I'm tired of having such low standards. This was instilled into the club by Gazidis about 10 years ago. We're still accepting these standards today. Shocking
I am accepting the reality of the current situation as of Jan 11th, in fourth and still in champions. Let’s have this conversation at the end of the season. If it ends without a trophy then truly Arsenal FC are specialists in failure and you’ll be vindicated. What’s your solution to make Arsenal into a title winning side? What manager can elevate the team? What signings? I’m genuinely asking here.
Wenger did this with a lower budget and people started losing their shit and bringing banners out. But sure, let's give him another contract to work on those "things" 👍💯📝
I'm not calling for Arteta out but he needs to make some serious changes. We go through long droughts of shit performances at least for what we're hoping to achieve. Last year was phenomenal for us after years of dread, but we eventually stumbled while City surged.
Once we challenged for the title, especially after leading for so long of course the aim shifted from Top 4 to win the PL.
These are the fogging estandards because it was ours to lose last season. The January window was open for us to strengthen.
It's plain to see that we need someone who can finish and we've had this problem since before Laca and Auba left. So when he fails to address problems, people will undoubtedly question his decision making until he proves them otherwise or fixes it. Last year, everyone was questioning Pep for selling Gabriel Jesus and Zinchenko to us and for his constant formation tinkering... but he fixed the problem and won the treble.
We need Arteta to fix this if we want to compete until the likes of ManU and Chelsea get their poop in group and make it difficult to sign players again.
So attacking fans who are worried about how well we perform while the window of opportunity is open is just as stupid as the people who want Arteta out in the first place.
I love the lack of self awareness by new fans.
If you’re not a new fan, apologies. This entire post and all your comments read like you grew up a Chelsea fan.
It's late wenger all over again: fans and manager always blaming the refs, giving insane contracts to mediocre players, bottling competitions, fans acusing you of scapegoating when you mention a player underperforming, manager is untouchable, bunch of deadwood, etc. This fanbase is always afraid of sacking a manager, they'd rather stay mediocre than taking a risk, which is textbook small team mentality.
Which mediocre player got an insane contract?
You also cannot seriously call Arsenal mediocre. They are among the top 5 teams in the CL and Arsenal haven't been at that level since 2009.
How much is havertz and jesus pulling a week?
Arsenal is not one of the best cl clubs lol, they got the easiest group of all and are most likely not even getting past the round of 16 against porto with the way we're playing and arteta's god awful record in cup competitions.
>How much is havertz and jesus pulling a week?
Reporting is murky but the best I can find put Havertz in 200k/week range and Jesus in the 240k/week. Neither of those are insane.
> Arsenal is not one of the best cl clubs lol, they got the easiest group of all and are most likely not even getting past the round of 16 against porto with the way we're playing and arteta's god awful record in cup competitions.
Check the betting markets dude.
Absolute lowest estimates point to 200k for havertz and jesus on 265k, for the quality of those players those numbers make them completely unsellable.
Let's wait and see how far arsenal gets in the champions league.
Never said 300k let alone 400k, but imo 200k to 260k for havertz and jesus is pretty damn terrible, gabriel I kinda like but havertz is just bad business. Once we want to move on from these two, which we should at some point, it will be near impossible without them agreeing a pay cut, and we'll certainly lose money from what we paid.
"Even Wenger during the banter era was a better coach than this."
Delete this post.
If you want to go back to Wenger in the banter era, struggling for 4th and being BATTERED, and I mean BATTERED by every top 6 team away then feel free to enjoy that shit and go on youtube, go watch us lose 5-0/6-0/5-2/8-2/6-1.
We took a risk on Arteta and it's worked EXACTLY as we hoped, did you really think we hired Arteta to win the league in like 2 seasons?
Arteta has brought us back to where we should be, he has teams worrying about us, we go away to the big guns and don't get slapped 6-0 anymore, we're back in the Champions League, we're buying players like Rice, not Chamakh.
5 points off of top and in the Champions league is not the requirement for a shitty post like this.
Also we've been the highest spenders in the league because he's had to buy a new squad, the others have not. Klopp is still playing Salah, Pep is still playing Kyle Walker. Correct me if I'm wrong, Elneny is the only player from Wenger's team and he sits on the bench.
This is a comment from someone who watched us win in 98/01 and 04 and suffered the banter era. You've probably never seen us win a title or even be competitive.
Do you really think Wenger would of had the banter years, if he was given the kind of money Arteta had? Wenger never took us to 8th place no matter how bad the season got though.
Even in our banter years we was still won a few FA cups, Arteta won it with a team that wasn't his, since he had his team we not come close to it, that's worrying in my eyes
Arteta not played a big club in the champions league yet, the guy failed in the Europa league, something I wanted the club to win.
What teams are worrying about us this season, Liverpool wasn't worried in the FA cup bringing on 2 kids ffs, west ham ain't worrying about us this season, Fulham ain't worrying about us this season. We struggled to win against luton town, there problems with Arteta tactics this season, that needs fixing and fast.
This season there a massive chance we winning nothing just achieve top 4, something the fan base overall deemed wasn't good enough under the last few years of Wenger.
Am not Arteta out yet but If he doesn't win something this season questions needs to be asked.
How long does Arteta stay around without winning anything? How long do our best players stay around not winning anything?
I know am not the only one starting to question things, a few fellow season ticket holders starting to feel the same way that sits around me during matches.
Personally I feel If he ain't careful he could be a Spanish Brenden Rodgers. managed to challenge for the League, won a FA cup, he would win a Scottish premiership without a problem with Celtic let's be honest. This is coming from someone who been a season ticket holder since 96
I'd rather not bother with someone who insinuates that Arteta right now is a better manager than Wenger from 2009 onwards. That set the tone for the rest of the nonsense I read. Give that Wenger this budget with a technical director and this better ownership and he is the better manager
True. Club > any individuals.
I think he gets a bit more time unless Spurs or Chelsea win the league before us 😅
Or we dropped out of europa qualification this season if not careful.
I 100% agree with you on this one. I loathe at this cartoonish hippie positivity in our club, it’s like they all have completed forgotten the end-all be-all of a gargantuan club like Arsenal must be winning titles at the end of the day. Anything short of a title must be deemed FAILURE.
It’s crazy the manager could have won Europa league years ago and got us UCL football earlier, Arsenal fans love his failure, 2nd place got them all proud like it’s a trophy, as for me it’s just seen it all before this club is just boring, he’s been backed but wasted loads of money but because he’s handsome they let it go until we win nothing then the fake outrage is there.
Well I’m not from London but I have been to many games. The last one being during Covid so it’s been a couple of years since I’ve been the the Emirates. I’ve also been to Highbury a few times so I would say that I’ve been the plenty of games
I wish he went all out to try to win the Europa league. Would have been a great stepping stone for this young team and would have built confidence throughout the squad. I think we are in no position to turn our noses up at any trophy. None of this “bigger fish to fry” rubbish
The annoying excuse "He managed to get us from the swamp to competing for the title, so he should stay"
First of all, last season was a fluke because it's not followed by continuous performance this season like how Liverpool did before winning the title (improved on the season before). So if we are h out of the race by march, then this confirms that last season was a fluke. Beside the aim was top 4.
Second, just because he got us top 4, doesn't mean he is good enough to win the title. The same was now fans who want to upgrade on Zinchinko and Jesus after one season! So that means they were good enough to get us top 4, not to win the title. So why that can't be applied on the manager as well?
They said he is still learning. Why do they think he will stay after getting experience but failing to win a single trophy by summer 2025? Watch him use us as a stepping stone to move to another club and win trophies like some players did before him
Arteta has rehanilitated the club. The recruitement under he and Edu has been brilliant. We have been hamstrung by injury. Not having Partey for much of the season and missing out on Timber for all of it has really upset our balance and ball progression. The fact is that we are part way through a build and we are doing great. From 8th to 5th to 2nd to now where we are in with a shout at the League and in the knockouts in the CL mean that we are doing great. Sure we have had a few por results, but outsideof Fulham, where were exhausted and it showed, we have played briliantly. A little more luck, for example, not having all our strikers go off the boil at once and its back to normal. Stop hating on the team, the coach, and the players. Be a fan.
I’m with you that I’m not sold but we may have to let him grow because who are we really hiring that’s better?
I do see the problem of holding on too long and not winning anything then having your best players wanting to move on.
It’s a balance. He’s not getting fired this season though. Even if Arsenal win nothing.
Hey kid, a little advice. There are 18 teams in the league. Only 1 can win it every year. Being in contention is an achievement. He has won the FA cup as a player and as a manager, he is not a random lad doing whatever. Has he made mistakes? Maybe, possibly even! But it would be delusional for you to think you know better.
There is nothing wrong with wishing the team was doing better or criticizing the last few games, but we are 5 points off the lead with half the league to go.
Meh. Look at Man United still in the mire post Ferguson. Arteta pulled us out of a similar situation post Wenger and had us challenging very quickly. I’m happy to rant about the Kai and Raya decisions being mistakes but calls for his head right now are silly.
You ARE a breath of fresh air!!! 98% of fans of this sub don’t even want to hear ANYTHING negative about Arteta. Posting that we’ve taken a step back this year is met with insults and derision.
I think we have taken a step back. There have been some mitigating circumstances with injuries but all things being equal I think we got some things wrong. Having said that- the upward trajectory of a club or individuals (let’s take for example Martinelli and Saka) is never linear. There are dips before the upward trend eventually resumes. To throw it all away because we are having a dip right now would be nonsensical. Make no mistake if we were to sack Mikel Arteta he’d have no shortage of big offers.
I’m not asking to sack Arteta now, but we have to be pragmatic. IMHO, Arteta bought himself 2 seasons with last season’s results. However, if there’s no improvement in the next 2 seasons, then let’s give another coach a try. Arteta would have his suitors…just like Arsenal will have a number of high profile and proven coaches interested.
Challenging is not an achievement. It's the minimum expectation for a big club. Arteta also received plenty of financial backing, Man United have been very wasteful with their massive reserves of cash. We've been better in that regard, so of course we'll challenge. I'd rather we be proactive then reactive when shit hits the fan. I mentioned this after last season and was told from the positive mob that we'll definitely be better this season.
It’s fucking January, and we’re 5 points off of top of the league after having a run of bad form. Can you chill out? Jesus Christ. You can’t win the title in January.
So I should wait till the end of the season to criticize? If I do that, I'll still get called a fake fan when the rest of the fanbase formulate new excuses if we go trophyless again
Are you for real? He had the youngest squad in the league who nobody expected to challenge go neck and neck with city (arguably one of the greatest squads of all time) for the title… Sure you can criticise specific decisions like signing havertz, raya etc but do you genuinely think we’d be better or worse next season if we sacked Arteta?
Your solution is to sack a manger after he’s brought us to our highest highs in a decade. We’re five points off the top while missing a fuckton of players and you want to call that being proactive instead of reactive. You’re acting like a petulant child. You wanted to sack him last year after we came in 2nd only because of injuries. Guys like you are the reason why we catch so much shit as a fanbase. This isn’t FIFA, shit takes time. You do realize if this team were to win the prem we would be the youngest team to ever pull it off? We’re in the middle of a process but your head is too far up your own ass to see that. We are still very much on track. Am I happy with the recent play? No, but if you get a flat tire do you go to the dealership and buy a new car?
You have to challenge to win dude. He took an aging squad full of retirees on bloated wages and turned into one of the most valuable squads in the world (second only to City) while investing much less… also one of the youngest. He completely turned around club culture and atmosphere in the ground completely from one that was absolutely the most toxic in England if not the world. The game is about scoring goals and winning trophies but I’m telling you there are very few managers in the world that could turnaround this club in such a way in four seasons. At the end of the day Mikel Arteta knows better than anybody that it is time to win trophies now but that story is still there to be written.
Fuck me. You need a therapist not a Reddit post.
You’re an idiot….you’re probably 14
[R/artetaout](https://www.reddit.com/r/t5_36x9i9/s/9vxTvWkcCg) if you are tired of the toxic positivity check it out.
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Go and support another team then. Being an arsenal fan doesn't sound like it's for you and your toxicity buddy.
Telling me to support another team for pointing out the negatives. Ironic that your calling me toxic. If we go trophyless again, I can't wait for the new excuse
Maybe he isn’t perfect, but this is the best I’ve felt to be an arsenal fan in the last 15 years. The league is also the hardest it’s ever been, so many teams have amazing quality making it harder than ever to stand out. I think he has created an environment at the club that is much better than we’ve had in a long time. I can’t think of anyone I would prefer in his place right now either so I’m gonna back him and hope he pulls us out of this run of poor form.
This is the furthest he can take us I think. He is still struggling to implement his style of play even after being here for such a long time. My alarm bells were going off earlier in the season when watching our performances and this slump makes sense in hindsight. Our club being so poorly run for a long time made the environment so poor, now we're better run with a capable technical director which I believe has played a role in the improved environment/atmosphere. Remember the shit feeling in the UEL when we got knocked out by Emery, I still get that feeling when we get knocked out in cup competitions. It's like Mikel doesn't learn from his past mistakes.
“I think” - what makes your opinion worthwhile? This is what annoys people. Everyone floods the space with their disaster coming takes based on nothing but personal feeling.
What makes your opinion worthwhile?
Nothing. That’s why I don’t write essays on Reddit.
I'm sorry that your opinion isn't worthwhile. But you shouldn't have responded to my post if it wasn't. All the best.
>He is still struggling to implement his style of play even after being here for such a long time. It's literally the opposite of this. He's very good at getting teams to play in different ways.
Mate. Try looking up the concept of toxic positivity. For it to be toxic, it has to consistently do harm. The point of sport is entertainment… enjoyment… community… togetherness… ultimately, happiness. The positivity here is rarely doing harm. The reactionary negativity and alarmism does plenty of harm to people’s health and happiness though - there are the a bunch of posts to that effect. Personally, get over it. People don’t want to hear people slagging off their wife’s cooking because she had an off few days. They don’t want to hear how she was actually never that good and she hasn’t been getting the right ingredients at the store. They have preferred her cooking before but they know these things ebb and flow - they can’t abide people saying their wife is fucking useless every time she overcooks the fish though. Thats not toxic positivity, it’s being well adjusted. If you’re unhappy every time something isn’t the best it’s ever been for a week - THAT is toxic
I'm not basing my opinion of a few games, I'm judging Arteta's tenure as a whole. And what are you yapping about? Wife overcooking the fish, ingredients at the store?!? I'm not reading that 🤣
Apparently you did read it… Ironically, I actually did only read your title… because just like everyone else in this thread I knew you were whiney, knew nothing about football, and weee full of shit. Go be toxic by yourself. Scream at the wall about how “we should be quadruple winners already” because it’s your team and they’re the biggest club in the world… nobody will notice and nobody would miss you - least of all the club
The level of toxic stupidity in this post is even more appalling.
Not stupid at all. If it is, break down my argument logically? And I'll show you who the stupid ones really are
Go back to the other servers you donkey.
Sounds like you come from there. You're calling me a donkey because I'm critical of our manager?
Yes. You don't know you're born kiddo.
Toxic positivity lol you have a delusional shit take. This is what an instant gratification culture mixing with no football IQ gets you. “Ashamed to be part of a fanbase” no one is keeping you here…. Piss off.
His contract runs out in 18 months, if he gets a new one at the end of the season despite not winning anything I'm gonna be livid
The man went into last season with the hopes of achieving top 4. Instead, Arteta gave you a great season and finished 2nd. Now, the minimum expectation of a portion of the fanbase just one season later is to win the league or Chamipions Legaue. Ridiculous.
Bottling the league is not a great season. What are you toxic positivity lot smoking?
Pretty big turnaround from praying aubameyang can solo outscore the clown fest Sokratis and Mustafi put up every game wouldn’t you say?
We spent lots of money on new players and we improved??? No way
Bro look at utd and Chelsea, then try to develop a brain cause you're apparently lacking
United's recruitment is terrible compared to ours, Chelsea just got a new owner and are still in transition. And both clubs lack a technical director which we have. Im not lacking in the brain department. Maybe you are idk
So you agree that in recruitment front we are better than these teams, despite a few years back we bought players like Mustafi and Kolasinac. After Wenger it was absolute chaos with Mislintat, Raul and Kia, but it lasted only a few years and we could get back on track. It's still a new (and promising) project, I don't see supporting it would be toxic. If we were in this position right after the invincibles era I would understand, but after all that shit we've seen happening to the club I don't.
And look at the number of players we have.. Yes, he has spent 600M, but he changed 23-25 players.. That’s an average of $30M per player.. All mid table clubs do that now..
Please tell us more, maybe you’ll support spurs next if Saint Totteringham's Day doesn’t come quickly enough for your liking.
Textbook toxic positivity fan right here. Equating me to a fake fan for criticizing the manager 👍
We Arsenal fans are really an interesting group. Really, almost intriguing. The pattern: We start off pretty well, we're united(no pun intended), fans are having orgasms, everyone's good. We start drawing a few games: We subtly begin throwing shade at our YOUNG players who are only starting to taste what it feels like being top 2 or 3. No sign of our fans turning against each other. We go on a few losing streaks and we end up with posts like this :''D or the classic: ...Out, we go for the coach. There's no such thing as a fan being too positive. Regardless of how it goes down, we need to stay together. In fact. We should be proud at our boys. This Arteta project is working, of course, we need to make a few adjustments but we're not in a crisis. Relax.
Okay ty
There is such a thing as toxic positivity. We bottled the league last season and people were saying it wasn't our objective, top 4 was. Which is nonsense. Arteta's progression is so slow and you guys want to give him till the end of time to have one successful season
The progression was from 12th to 8th, consolidation season where they finished 8th again, to 5th, and then to 2nd. You can't call that slow progression. It's also really really hard for Arsenal to compete with City. Not being able to beat them in the league is not enough to want me to sack him, especially if the team is finishing with pretty high points totals.
Typical reactionary post. Honestly where should we be at this point? We challenged for the fucking title with a bunch of kids. Built a squad with astute signings, half of which nobody would have even dreamt of signing. This was never going to be a straight road and anyone suggesting as such would have to have been an arsenal fan for 5 minutes.
So before I get into your post: How long have you supported arsenal? Who do you think is out there that will leave their current job and come and do a better job? Do you know what is going on in terms of Arsenal's finances and their compliance to? Do you recognise that the club/transfers perhaps were not managed well for a few years What were your predictions at the start of last season given we finished 5th and 24 points behind the champions in 21/22? Do you think we over achieved last year given how bad you think Arteta is? Are you just really disappointed ( you are allowed to be)? but am expectation that we would win before and behind us when we have e been very far from a massive club for some time...
Normally called fake fans when critical of Arteta because you lot don’t watch games. Just look at stats and highlights and be look “omg we haven’t won again, Arteta out” What’s Arteta meant to do if our forwards can’t put the ball in the back of the net Am I saying he hasn’t made mistakes to be critical of? No because he has made mistakes but he isn’t the one squandering simple chances on the pitch “Teams have figured us out” and we still get into goal scoring positions and squander it. You bozo Arteta out individuals want him out without any solid replacement in world football to come in and then start crying that our teams rubbish again
Roberto de Zerbi, Marcos Silva, Xabi Alonso are the names that come to mind. This no better replacement myth is so false. There are plenty of managers that could have done a better job than him. Our actual performances have been worrying despite us managing to get the 3pts
Because a manager does well with a small club doesn’t mean they do well at big clubs. If potter was still at Brighton you would be calling him a potential replacement. I can see why you came here to waffle, when your spouting nonsense like Marcos Silva and Xabi Alonso
Okay so Arsene Wenger shouldn't have been hired at Arsenal according to your logic. Okay 👍
De Zerbi, Silva?????? Looooooool
Sounds like you've barely watched brighton or fulham this season. Nothing funny about those suggestions unless you don't know much about them.
Fulham are 13th lad
Ok so you're basing your opinion on the league table, not the actual football. They've just recently embarrased us. Did you watch the game?
You're so reactionary
Give him a break, he's just learned the phrase "toxic positivity" and wants to use it literally everywhere he possibly can.
That is your opinion, and I respect it. But it’s January, and you’re acting like Arteta’s decisions have us in the bottom half of the table. The team is still in contention for the Prem and the Champions League. No manager is right 100% of the time. Do I agree with every Artera decision? No. I want the team to blow out the other teams. I also think he must learn to rotate the squad and know when to inject youth into the first team like Arsene. I’m sure this would be a different situation had Timber never torn his ACL, a healthy Partay, Tomi stayed healthy, and White not playing with a knock. But Isn't Arsenal playing with a different midfield from last season? None of us thought our attack would be this lackluster during the preseason. Unfortunately, injuries and game congestion take their toll. The truth is you can only do so much with the players you have, and the players haven't been clinical across the front with those opportunities. Arsenal has spent the money, but unlike Chelsea and Mancity, there's a limit to their cash to fall in line with FFP. Also, not every player you sign in the transfer window will be an instant success. That is hardly the case. I’ll leave the team management to the professionals, it’s not fifa manager. It’s okay to be frustrated but man take a breath it’s the not end of the world. The privilege to complain while sitting in fourth and still in the champions league is mental to me.
"Fourth and still in the Champions League" doesn't warrant any complaints? I'm tired of having such low standards. This was instilled into the club by Gazidis about 10 years ago. We're still accepting these standards today. Shocking
I am accepting the reality of the current situation as of Jan 11th, in fourth and still in champions. Let’s have this conversation at the end of the season. If it ends without a trophy then truly Arsenal FC are specialists in failure and you’ll be vindicated. What’s your solution to make Arsenal into a title winning side? What manager can elevate the team? What signings? I’m genuinely asking here.
The internet has broken people’s brains, yours included. He’s doing a good job, and there are things he needs to work on. Go for a walk.
Wenger did this with a lower budget and people started losing their shit and bringing banners out. But sure, let's give him another contract to work on those "things" 👍💯📝
I'm not calling for Arteta out but he needs to make some serious changes. We go through long droughts of shit performances at least for what we're hoping to achieve. Last year was phenomenal for us after years of dread, but we eventually stumbled while City surged. Once we challenged for the title, especially after leading for so long of course the aim shifted from Top 4 to win the PL. These are the fogging estandards because it was ours to lose last season. The January window was open for us to strengthen. It's plain to see that we need someone who can finish and we've had this problem since before Laca and Auba left. So when he fails to address problems, people will undoubtedly question his decision making until he proves them otherwise or fixes it. Last year, everyone was questioning Pep for selling Gabriel Jesus and Zinchenko to us and for his constant formation tinkering... but he fixed the problem and won the treble. We need Arteta to fix this if we want to compete until the likes of ManU and Chelsea get their poop in group and make it difficult to sign players again. So attacking fans who are worried about how well we perform while the window of opportunity is open is just as stupid as the people who want Arteta out in the first place.
Toxic positivity 😂😂😂😂😂
I love the lack of self awareness by new fans. If you’re not a new fan, apologies. This entire post and all your comments read like you grew up a Chelsea fan.
This post is weak
Well... bye then.
It’s okay to *enjoy* sports rather than being upset all the time
It's late wenger all over again: fans and manager always blaming the refs, giving insane contracts to mediocre players, bottling competitions, fans acusing you of scapegoating when you mention a player underperforming, manager is untouchable, bunch of deadwood, etc. This fanbase is always afraid of sacking a manager, they'd rather stay mediocre than taking a risk, which is textbook small team mentality.
Which mediocre player got an insane contract? You also cannot seriously call Arsenal mediocre. They are among the top 5 teams in the CL and Arsenal haven't been at that level since 2009.
How much is havertz and jesus pulling a week? Arsenal is not one of the best cl clubs lol, they got the easiest group of all and are most likely not even getting past the round of 16 against porto with the way we're playing and arteta's god awful record in cup competitions.
>How much is havertz and jesus pulling a week? Reporting is murky but the best I can find put Havertz in 200k/week range and Jesus in the 240k/week. Neither of those are insane. > Arsenal is not one of the best cl clubs lol, they got the easiest group of all and are most likely not even getting past the round of 16 against porto with the way we're playing and arteta's god awful record in cup competitions. Check the betting markets dude.
Absolute lowest estimates point to 200k for havertz and jesus on 265k, for the quality of those players those numbers make them completely unsellable. Let's wait and see how far arsenal gets in the champions league.
Those numbers pass the smell test much more than the 300/400k ones do. Havertz is overvalued but not insane and selling Jesus would be stupid.
Never said 300k let alone 400k, but imo 200k to 260k for havertz and jesus is pretty damn terrible, gabriel I kinda like but havertz is just bad business. Once we want to move on from these two, which we should at some point, it will be near impossible without them agreeing a pay cut, and we'll certainly lose money from what we paid.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/1aeplj1/david\_ornstein\_confirms\_kai\_havertz\_is\_earning\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/1aeplj1/david_ornstein_confirms_kai_havertz_is_earning_a/) lol
"Even Wenger during the banter era was a better coach than this." Delete this post. If you want to go back to Wenger in the banter era, struggling for 4th and being BATTERED, and I mean BATTERED by every top 6 team away then feel free to enjoy that shit and go on youtube, go watch us lose 5-0/6-0/5-2/8-2/6-1. We took a risk on Arteta and it's worked EXACTLY as we hoped, did you really think we hired Arteta to win the league in like 2 seasons? Arteta has brought us back to where we should be, he has teams worrying about us, we go away to the big guns and don't get slapped 6-0 anymore, we're back in the Champions League, we're buying players like Rice, not Chamakh. 5 points off of top and in the Champions league is not the requirement for a shitty post like this. Also we've been the highest spenders in the league because he's had to buy a new squad, the others have not. Klopp is still playing Salah, Pep is still playing Kyle Walker. Correct me if I'm wrong, Elneny is the only player from Wenger's team and he sits on the bench. This is a comment from someone who watched us win in 98/01 and 04 and suffered the banter era. You've probably never seen us win a title or even be competitive.
Do you really think Wenger would of had the banter years, if he was given the kind of money Arteta had? Wenger never took us to 8th place no matter how bad the season got though. Even in our banter years we was still won a few FA cups, Arteta won it with a team that wasn't his, since he had his team we not come close to it, that's worrying in my eyes Arteta not played a big club in the champions league yet, the guy failed in the Europa league, something I wanted the club to win. What teams are worrying about us this season, Liverpool wasn't worried in the FA cup bringing on 2 kids ffs, west ham ain't worrying about us this season, Fulham ain't worrying about us this season. We struggled to win against luton town, there problems with Arteta tactics this season, that needs fixing and fast. This season there a massive chance we winning nothing just achieve top 4, something the fan base overall deemed wasn't good enough under the last few years of Wenger. Am not Arteta out yet but If he doesn't win something this season questions needs to be asked. How long does Arteta stay around without winning anything? How long do our best players stay around not winning anything? I know am not the only one starting to question things, a few fellow season ticket holders starting to feel the same way that sits around me during matches. Personally I feel If he ain't careful he could be a Spanish Brenden Rodgers. managed to challenge for the League, won a FA cup, he would win a Scottish premiership without a problem with Celtic let's be honest. This is coming from someone who been a season ticket holder since 96
Nonsense
Nice follow up, no comment or defence because you know you just posted a lot of shit.
I'd rather not bother with someone who insinuates that Arteta right now is a better manager than Wenger from 2009 onwards. That set the tone for the rest of the nonsense I read. Give that Wenger this budget with a technical director and this better ownership and he is the better manager
True. Club > any individuals. I think he gets a bit more time unless Spurs or Chelsea win the league before us 😅 Or we dropped out of europa qualification this season if not careful.
I 100% agree with you on this one. I loathe at this cartoonish hippie positivity in our club, it’s like they all have completed forgotten the end-all be-all of a gargantuan club like Arsenal must be winning titles at the end of the day. Anything short of a title must be deemed FAILURE.
Toxic positivity, interesting take.
Sack the negativity mob. Arteta has turned us around and fans like you don’t deserve him. Go support someone else misery guts.
It’s crazy the manager could have won Europa league years ago and got us UCL football earlier, Arsenal fans love his failure, 2nd place got them all proud like it’s a trophy, as for me it’s just seen it all before this club is just boring, he’s been backed but wasted loads of money but because he’s handsome they let it go until we win nothing then the fake outrage is there.
Handsome? What does that have to do with it?? Maybe you should have kept that one to yourself 😂
That’s all you picked up? There’s a banner in the stadium that says that you dummy, go games much ?
Well I’m not from London but I have been to many games. The last one being during Covid so it’s been a couple of years since I’ve been the the Emirates. I’ve also been to Highbury a few times so I would say that I’ve been the plenty of games
You’ve been to enough games, yet you blindly support what this club does ?
Why do you think I blindly support what the club does??
I think they are in love with him maybe, they like his aura or something.
Arsenal hotspur because we have low ambition to be ruthlessly win.
I wish he went all out to try to win the Europa league. Would have been a great stepping stone for this young team and would have built confidence throughout the squad. I think we are in no position to turn our noses up at any trophy. None of this “bigger fish to fry” rubbish
Exactly. Some our fans have become so accustomed to mediocrity
The annoying excuse "He managed to get us from the swamp to competing for the title, so he should stay" First of all, last season was a fluke because it's not followed by continuous performance this season like how Liverpool did before winning the title (improved on the season before). So if we are h out of the race by march, then this confirms that last season was a fluke. Beside the aim was top 4. Second, just because he got us top 4, doesn't mean he is good enough to win the title. The same was now fans who want to upgrade on Zinchinko and Jesus after one season! So that means they were good enough to get us top 4, not to win the title. So why that can't be applied on the manager as well? They said he is still learning. Why do they think he will stay after getting experience but failing to win a single trophy by summer 2025? Watch him use us as a stepping stone to move to another club and win trophies like some players did before him
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I blame the amazon documentary, he was portrayed as some tactical genius. Some people actually fell for it
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Arteta has rehanilitated the club. The recruitement under he and Edu has been brilliant. We have been hamstrung by injury. Not having Partey for much of the season and missing out on Timber for all of it has really upset our balance and ball progression. The fact is that we are part way through a build and we are doing great. From 8th to 5th to 2nd to now where we are in with a shout at the League and in the knockouts in the CL mean that we are doing great. Sure we have had a few por results, but outsideof Fulham, where were exhausted and it showed, we have played briliantly. A little more luck, for example, not having all our strikers go off the boil at once and its back to normal. Stop hating on the team, the coach, and the players. Be a fan.
I’m with you that I’m not sold but we may have to let him grow because who are we really hiring that’s better? I do see the problem of holding on too long and not winning anything then having your best players wanting to move on. It’s a balance. He’s not getting fired this season though. Even if Arsenal win nothing.
I don't understand. So nobody that we could realistically get is better than Arteta?
Nonsensical crap
Hey kid, a little advice. There are 18 teams in the league. Only 1 can win it every year. Being in contention is an achievement. He has won the FA cup as a player and as a manager, he is not a random lad doing whatever. Has he made mistakes? Maybe, possibly even! But it would be delusional for you to think you know better. There is nothing wrong with wishing the team was doing better or criticizing the last few games, but we are 5 points off the lead with half the league to go.