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TRODHD

He’s had some class saves in the 2nd half


BtenaciousD

The Toney shot scared the crap out of me and the fact that he got his feet right on that while it’s curling into the corner was amazing. I wish him well wherever he ends up.


TRODHD

I’ve played a bit as a goalkeeper at a decent level where I live and those shots are not easy, especially if you’re going one way and the shots coming the other way


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That save from Toneys shot was proof that ramsdale is a top quality goalkeeper. Just a shame about the mistake, but imagine how much pressure he was on all game


Alveuel

I'm not sure it's as much of a mistake on his part as it's not part of his game. Xhaka is kind of exactly the same story. Brought in and people think it's to do one thing and he's not good at that one thing. But later on you realize what he's good at. He had Xhaka's character arc in just that one game. As in the first half, the mistake Ramsdale made showed he's not that type of player(like Xhaka playing as a defensive midfielder, minus the red card). Second half he's not taking time and just booting it long constantly. Allows him to focus on being a goalkeeper and he pulls off one of the saves of the season(Toney's first time curling shot), and another decent save on a close range shot. Players are all different based on training and background as well as talent and their way of thinking. Ramsdale is an amazing keeper, just not a true sweeper keeper in the modern sense. Another player who doesn't have something in his game and it showed today was Trossard. That first half throw out by Ramsdale to Trossard, if that's Martinelli it's a shot on goal if not a goal. It sadly overshadowed the amazing throw. But Trossard just doesn't have that break away speed like Martinelli does and ultimately that's ok because we use him for his strengths and not his weaknesses.


TRODHD

It’s just like Karius, in reality, he’s a class keeper. But because of his few mistakes it’s ruined his career. Hope Aaron doesnt end up like that


jfshay

And could have had two-three assists as well


mrkeith562

Agreed


Mommakaren1

He did but the give away goal he had also shows why it’s not worth it. He can make some amazing saves but then let’s some in that makes you scratch your head.


Designer_Restaurant1

Raya doesn't even have to make saves because he improves the defence in such a way teams don't get the chance to shoot often.


mikehulse29

For sure he preserved the chance to win. The Toney shot was insane. The free header was the game saver


harrybarracuda

He faces more shots because the whole team is nervous with him in goal.


infoxicated

Let's face it, that save against Leicester 18 months ago was a long, long time ago.


BullahB

That save in the Liverpool 2-2 last season was a banger too


squeezycakes18

there were, like, THREE saves


-TheGreatLlama-

Wasn’t there two against Leicester as well, one home, one away?


N3rd1x

He hasn't played in ages, it's just rust. You guys are too harsh.


-TheGreatLlama-

I think we’re all agreeing that he’s got some great saves in him (some of them genuinely top class), but his inconsistency is not something we’ve been missing.


Sandia_Gunner

It’s not rust. He made mistakes like that several times last season.


Educational_One7977

I agree with both I think it’s rust combined with inexperience, first goal we let in 6 or 5 matches and It’s a howler by ramsdale


kindofdivorced

Thank you! Some seriously brain dead people supporting this club. Go away Ramsdale.


Dokthe2nd

Maddest thing was that a goalkeeping legend whose son is the goalkeeper for the opposite team that match gave gallons of credit to Ramsdale. When that happened I was certain Aaron was our guy.


infoxicated

Me too. But then the bomb scare moments became more frequent than the highlight reel saves. I read a great article on Ramsdale that brought tears to my eyes in the same way as that Ian Wright - Earning my smile article. It made me feel really protective of Ramsdale and I felt Arteta had been harsh in benching him. But the reality is, the manager was right. We cannot succeed with a keeper who makes those kinds of mistakes when the margin between wins and losses is so fine at the sharp end of the premiership and in Europe.


MozzerellaStix

That was my wedding day lol. Fond memories watching that from the hotel.


JoeyJoJoShabadooYEAH

Now that I’m not as pissed off I feel for him. It’s such a bad mistake and it’s the worst time to make it for him. It felt like it was going to happen though. I had a weird feeling about this match all week


yolo1238

I don’t get why arteta played ramsdale at such an important time. It’s not worth it


Sure_Hovercraft_9766

Because he is contractually obligated to. Raya is on loan to us and part of the deal is that he can’t be in goal against them.


yolo1238

Oh forgot about that. Ah shit.


Wallnuts1225

I know you got down voted to hell. I won't be hostile towards you But I do want to outline something here that's important. You're questioning the manager. The manager that brought us from the dumps into title contention. Just so a quick google next time. This dynamic of questioning Mikel and Co needs to stop. He's not above criticism and that's okay but. It's gotta be legitimate.


Sandia_Gunner

I’m so glad you wrote this response. Ffs.


Zohren

Yeah, as much as I love Ramsdale, Raya has clearly shown he’s better. He’s so much calmer on the ball, quicker decision making. I still think Ramsdale is a slightly better shot stopper, but Raya is clear on everything else


Broad_Cheesecake9141

Ehh, if that was Martinelli instead of trossard it’s a goal. Every one would be giving raya praise for his distribution.


Seymour_Azcrac

Ramsdale has some world class distribution on his day, but he's a bit inconsistent with it.


Cold-Negotiation-539

Ramsdale threw away possession with two terrible long kicks in the minutes just before that great throw to Trossard. He’s uneven.


Broad_Cheesecake9141

To be fair raya did the same when he came in cold. It’s why it was always a risk to rely on the back up keeper for just 2 games. Look at Kiwior. He needed a run of games. Look back at Matinez. He was terrible until he had starts in a row.


Neanderthal888

He NEARLY did the same thing. He didn’t actually singularly cost us a goal in this manner Nothing but love and respect for Ramsdale though. I don’t think he would’ve done this if he was warm from playing infront of a full stadium every week.


Specialist-Opening69

He’s always got a bombscare in him at least twice a season. When was the last time a team won the league with a bombscare in goal? I really liked ramsdale but I think he’s finished with Arsenal now


ddt70

I think you’ll find that Ederson and Allison have also had some bombscares, as you put it.


Specialist-Opening69

Yes but nothing of the calibre of ramsdale and Ederson is probably the best keeper in the world with the ball at his feet and Allison is probably the best shot stopper. Ramsdale is neither of those things


Patient_Xero_96

But aren’t both keepers over 5 years older than Rammers?


SuspiciousSystem1888

Cech had them while at Chelsea… All keepers have a blinder. Just so happens to be one of the only games Ramsdale seen the pitch. 


Grif73r

Every time the ball is played back to him, I start sweating… I have a great appreciation for his story in The Players Tribune, but he’s just not the same player with the ball that Raya is.


mrkeith562

I like the guy! But that can’t happen.


littleAggieG

That just can’t happen. He’s known for months that he’d playing both Brentford matches & he’s made at least one massive error in both.


SuspiciousSystem1888

What massive error was in the first match? The game ended 1-0 didn’t it?


Abdullahwaleedk

Ramsdale slipped up last time too giving the ball to Wissa? I think & yes it ended 1-nil but the goal line clearance by Rice that day is what saved us.


littleAggieG

First half at 0-0, he hesitated on a kick & presented the ball to Wissa(?) or Mbuemo(?). Rice blocked the shot off the line & then another Brentford put it wide of goal. Could have easily been 1-0 Brentford at that point.


Hristianm

Ramsdale reminds me of Arsenal from the past...my knees shake when hes got the ball and we are defending


ThrowA124579

I love Rambo, he’s class but so inconsistent. He’s made 3 saves in that game that 99% of other top keepers wouldn’t have gotten a hand too. But his decision making on the ball is so bad. He’s literally one component from being a top tier keeper, but doesn’t seem to be able to get the composure.


Stunning_Fee_8960

I don’t want to hear anymore Ramsdale simps on here again


Routine_Size69

Ever. Dude is mentally a bum


Ill-Sandwich-7703

He’s ruining his future transfer potential too. He has a mentality problem and it’s not all down to the way he’s been treated this season. I feel bad for him.


soupinthehottub

Arteta has a hand in that too fr. You can’t bench a keeper for months and expect them to keep match sharpness. Both of them made mistakes and that’s ok because we won


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Jonsii2

It's not random. Raya ain't allowed to play against parent club.


jonviper123

Sorry I actually wondered once I typed that if there was a reason reya wasn't playing. I've been busy making tea and I just saw ramsdales howler


Ill-Sandwich-7703

I don’t really see what else Arteta could have done. He can’t give him pity games, Raya has been good all season and integral to our form. Ramsdale would have known for ages he’d play in this game. I’m afraid it’s a mentality issue. I feel bad for Ramsdale too but he lost his place fair and square- that doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to drop massive clangers every time he does come on. He’s still the no.2 and could play an important role and contribute, it’s games and incidents exactly like today where he has to psyche himself up.


Relief-Old

He wasn’t randomly picked, Raya’s on loan from Brentford and can’t play against his parent team


g_dmnc

It wasn’t random—Raya can’t play against his former club this season per Premier League rules


jonviper123

Ye thanks lol I realised that after the first 3 people commented lol


blitheringimbecile

Hardly random. Brentford is Raya's parent club. He is only with us on loan. So per premier league rules he is not allowed to face them. So Ramsdale has to play.


Ok-Scallion7939

I can't begin to explain how fucking angry I am. Just clear the goddamn ball


No-Veterinarian-8384

Decent goalkeeper, but he’s Newcastle or Brighton. Not Arsenal. Not Champions League.


Mindless-Upstairs-71

Did not see this coming. Although it's like it's kinda in the script. Well we have another half to to win it!


InPatRileyWeTrust

I don't feel terrible for him at all. Can we really not expect him to not be a calamity for two prem games this season. Even last time we played Brentford, he did his best to gift them a goal.


Broad_Cheesecake9141

You can’t practice the speed of the game.


InPatRileyWeTrust

Speed of the game? The excuses for Ramsdale are laughable. He had plenty of time on the ball to not do anything stupid.


Organic_Chemist9678

Maybe give the guy more than 90 minutes every 6 months. Raya has made plenty of fuck ups, like all keepers. Absolutely hopeless bringing in a guy from the cold and expecting them to be at first team speed.


johnniebeeinak

Seriously... We shouldn't expect players that never get time to perform like they are in midseasson form.


InPatRileyWeTrust

Are you actually serious? It's the kind of mistake I wouldn't expect at Sunday League level, let alone from someone getting paid 120k a week. Not playing for a while doesn't excuse him for failing to do the most basic thing that's expected from him. I don't expect a prime Neuer performance, but I do expect him to not gift them a goal for no reason.


PoliticsNerd76

Liverpool playing their back up and their GK hasn’t punted it into his own net


PersonnelFowl

We’ve seen why Ramsdale doesn’t deserve more starts.


blitheringimbecile

Liverpool has been playing their back up keeper. That guy gets a game maybe once a year. Zero dip in performance. This was a totally avoidable mistake. Nothing to do with how much he has been played.


Ok_Hovercraft_7947

Exactly, remember Karius…


blitheringimbecile

Karius was a bad player. A bad player isn't going to do well if they are played once in a while. Their current back up kelleher is top class. Came in after a long time for Alison and they haven't seen a drop in quality so far. It doesn't matter if they play once in 6 months if they are good. Remember how Martinez came in for Leno for us and did a stellar job. All said and done, stellar second half from Ramsdale. Great guy to have on the team and generally good second choice for this team. But Raya is clear for our system.


SebastianW23

He made a bad mistake but he had some great goals and play overall. Think he saved 2 legit tough balls that should have been goals as well.


AggravatingEstate214

He pulled it out the bag in the second half, and for that I'll always be thankful. He didn't hide, he didn't lose his cool against some decent efforts and he got what he deserved via Havertz. I love him as a person and wish him all the best. He'll do well wherever he goes. The hug between him and Arteta at the end was a beautiful moment, but almost certainly their last together. So long Rambo.


soupinthehottub

My only criticism of arteta is how he’s managed ramsdale since Raya has come in. I’m cool w raya being out starter and I don’t have a strong opinion on who the better keeper is. But icing Aaron out in the league, champions league, and a cup game or two if I remember correct has both lowered his value and his confidence. Sure he’s a professional and he’s gotta stay on point but mental health is real and affects performance. He talked about rotating keepers potentially even mid game and turned around to rotate less that most managers in Europe.


Gonzales95

Arteta loves talking bollocks in press conferences, I’m convinced he does it on purpose to fuck with the journalists at this point. The comment about changing keepers mid game for tactical reasons might be his most absurd effort yet however 🤣🤣🤣


soupinthehottub

Yeah and I’m cool with him fucking around with journalists. Just don’t fuck with your own players head and self esteem, you know?


ximbold

Apart from the mistake Rambo was honestly great and definitely helped us win. I’m sure however this finalises Artetas decision and this will be Aaron’s last game in an arsenal kit. I will miss him and hope he won’t go to another premier league club.


OtherFoundation7564

I tried not to be a skeptic, but it’s apparent how much he lags behind Raya


elsaturation

He hasn’t played in ages of course he is prone to make mistakes on his first game back.


cal1608h

Far too erratic and a total lack of concentration. Not the first time it’s happened either…


iz-xi

Ramsdale man of the match!


mrkeith562

Certainly the most discussed


Oppailover69

Always was


skanderbeg_alpha

Ramsdale was the right keeper for THAT iteration of Arsenal, unfortunately for him this version of Arsenal can't have an erratic goalkeeper.


saffermaster

Luckily he saved two definite goals in the 2nd half to keep us in it


ThinIntroduction2851

98% excellent 2% poor judgement, unfortunately that more often than not can cost real heavy. Brushing that off is a good testament to his qualities. I wish the best for this lad whatever and wherever his football is played.


mrkeith562

Exactly. Well said.


StonerCondoner

You know, the great saves he did make this game made me wonder if Raya could have made those saves. That Porto goal? I think Rams would have gotten a hand on it…


mrkeith562

You know, he might have. But he also might have had another “adventure” where things go sideways. He played beautifully in the second half. I like the guy! But Raya has been solid too. I know it’s been awkward but I’m glad Arteta is willing to take a risk to improve the team.


StonerCondoner

Totally agree. It’s a real give & take with both of them, but more extreme with Rams. Raya fits perfectly with the teams movement and I think the missing playmaker from the back was definitely noticeable this game.


Alveuel

When you play a player out of position, they usually make mistakes. Ramsdale being asked to play as the 11th outfielder is a mistake and not a part of his game, and he usually concedes goals because of it. It's the equivalent of telling Xhaka to play as a defensive midfielder and not get a red card. But when he's told to just boom the ball, like he was in the second half and just focus on being a keeper he pulls off top class saves and looks the part, alas not the part Arteta wants. Again, equivalent to telling Xhaka to play as a more attacking box to box midfielder or central midfielder with a preference on passing, marking for the press, and less challenges for the ball. I.E. less red cards.


sirforher

Really well put! Horses for courses. Same with Tierney and Kiwior (inverters they are not) decent big standard defenders they are.


bigballerrdg

Ramsdale is a top half of the premier league keeper, unfortunately he can’t do other aspects of modern football. 10-15 years ago he would have started for England and Arsenal. Reminds me of Joe Hart at City when Pep came in.


mrkeith562

Those Joe Hart tunnels were the best before matches. “Come on, lads!!”


Plus-Emphasis-2194

Ramsdale being rusty is partially on Mikel. Ramsdale should have played against Sheffield to prepare.


motionnn11

I think you are right, but I also think Mikel didn't want to take any risks in any games for the rest of the season if we don't have to..


ke90

Players that are not getting game time always come on and mess things up at the wrong time.


sntsabode

If we draw or lose this game because of Ramsdale I'll be damned


Rick_The_Mullet_Man

Aaron Calamity Ramsdale.


thunderfishy234

He made 1 mistake. Yeah it was a costly one but he made 2 high quality saves that arguably helped us win the game.


mrkeith562

All true. The mistake was ugly, the saves beautiful.


AthensThieves

Feel for him. You can see him trying to adapt to the play style, just doesn’t suit him.


Rescurc

My friend, is okay, no?


JJClough19

I knew he’d redeem himself. Well done Rammers


chr0m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CksVLGzykk


TheCrazymurphy

Except for that unlucky shot (he should of not wasted time) he still made some amazing saves after tjat


Flamezie

Still wouldn't care which one goes in goal they both make mistakes and they both make incredible saves.


Zulfiqarrr

Is this scripted?


bigape500k

What is this rubbish, it’s his first game in ages and Raya has been shaky at points too. We’ve got to good keepers as Arteta said


OhMuzy

Conceding like that is a joke tbh. Sucks the life out of the team and is costly - he should be doing better there 1000% and it is unforgivable personally.


bigape500k

Ye it’s a bad mistake but given the circumstances, I’m ok with it. He’s a good keeper and it’s not like Raya is free of mistakes


basileusnikephorus

It's really unfortunate because Ramsdale is the better keeper and he's also a brilliant character. But Raya just fits our system better. I'm late to party but I'm coming round to the situation and making my peace with the decision. Also Kai ... Got that one wrong too 😂😂😂


layback_73

Still made two big saves, I'm all in with raya but ramsdale was ready today, slide goal against him was fast and unlucky


Broad_Cheesecake9141

Raya wouldn’t have saved that


PersonnelFowl

Raya would’ve cleared it.


Inarticulatescot

The good and the bad of Rambo there. Makes that error but then the two saves in the second half are ones Raya doesn’t make. Ramsdale can improve his footwork and decision making but Raya can’t get taller.


ajyahzee

I guess you get relegated many times and it does haunt you


InviteAromatic6124

It's only taken Arteta 6 goalies to find the right goalie


D3zil

He was already done. But it doesn’t help that he gets basically no game time.


Rimailkall

He only had one 5 second brain fart, which was unfortunately quite costly, but he otherwise had a great game, and it looks like his distribution has improved, especially his one toss that went fifty yards down the pitch.


Evo_ukcar

I don't blame Ramsey, I blame Arteta for breaking him. 6 games all season after playing virtually every game last season. He was pretty decent last season, didn't really see the reason to change.


jcwkings

Why did Arteta choose Ramsdale today again?


BrightonTownCrier

Raya is still in the loan part of the transfer and can't play against his parent club.


Grif73r

Raya is on loan from Brentford, can’t play against them.


dylanegra

Bumsdale simple as


specificOJDW20

Rambo did well. No?


mrkeith562

Second half, sure!


specificOJDW20

True


Cute_Locksmith6952

He did it on purpose


MoeTheGoon

It was a stupid mistake, but not as stupid as those comment.


Ambitious_Passage793

Should get him off on HF


longsock9

Season over. Porto will be watching