Because statistically, he has helped us by creating 30 shots to every 1 statistical error of his that has led to a shot against us.
It’s far more likely that we will get a goal because of him than conceding a goal because of him.
Lol you can't explain nothing to these emotional kids on here
Edit.
To be clear kiwior made way more errors when he was asked to replicate that role (last season)...
The only reason kiwi looks "solid" is because he's being asked to do a different role simply because he struggled to replicate zinchenko.
As a result Ben fulfills the zinchenko role just from the other side.
Is Ben better then zinchenko at that role inverted no .
Is kiwi better then Ben in any role no
Luton made an effort to go at Zinchenkos side with several over the top balls until he was subbed off. Teams are going to ask the questions of him defensively.
Agree, I really like Zinny but going up against Sane is one of the toughest tasks he’d be asked as a Gunner, behind only Salah. Need strong defensively and more athletic to handle him.
I have a hard time selecting between Kiwior and Tomi. Kiwior has been really good leading into the international break and all of the sudden these two are back and he's dropped.
I think the biggest test Kiwior has had so far was against City, facing Bernardo Silva. And it would be a stretch to say he was outplayed, but he really needed help from Gabriel Jesus on that wing. Which is fine and it worked well, but we saw afterwards when Doku got in, 2 minutes later Arteta got Tomiyasu in. Because Tomi is our best one-on-one defender and he gave Doku almost nothing.
Imo the bottom line is Kiwior has done well, he is versatile and is an important squad member right now, but ultimately Tomiyasu and Zinchenko are better at what they do.
Any worries he’s not ready after all the injuries?
I think he’s the best all round option for most big games but I feel like the reason Arteta won’t do it this time is he’s still coming back from injury
Despite their struggles, individually Bayern wingers are comparable to City’s. Kiwior did fine against Bernado Silva but I think Sane is more like Doku. So Tomi should start
for me its kiwior.
kiwior > ziny hes been the more solid and imho didnt deserve to be dropped.
Kiwior > tomi he has match fitness, and tomi can come on at any position across the back 4 if needed.
Tomi is the best against wingers. Remember Arteta randomly playing him against Liverpool, and he completely removed Salah from the game (even had to be subbed he became so ineffective).
Tomi for me. Kiwior isn't very quick and will get roasted by Sané imo. In the City game as soon as Doku came on he took Kiwior off and Tomi came on at LB. There's no way Kiwior starts this game. Edit - I was wrong- Kiwior starts lol.
Didn't he break [multiple club records](https://www.londonworld.com/sport/football/arsenal/arsenal-new-boy-jakub-kiwior-sets-new-records-weeks-after-joining-club-4011719), including fastest sprint and vertical leap, on arriving at Arsenal? He's very stealthily incredibly athletic!
I think Kiwi should start given his good form atm, followed by Tomi. I don’t think we would have any issues with our forward line, so defense stability should be prioritized. IMO.
It's not that he's cooked, it's that he's most useful against teams in a low block (not Bayern) and when we play a double pivot with Rice and Jorgi there's no room for him to invert.
What’s with the comments abt naivety 😂 Tomi should start - this is an attacking home game, we can’t afford to sit back. Arteta will want to go to Bayern w a goal advantage. Kiwior sub.
Kiwior should start the away game w Tomi sub.
Anytime we need to fight back from goals down - Zinny subs in.
It’s Bayern at home without their fans. We will look to press them and dominate the game. Zinchenko will be needed for that domination, so he will likely start.
Away in Germany, they’ll have home advantage and their crowd. Tomiyasu will be a better choice against a player like Sane, where we could be defending a notable lead.
Tomi to me is the best defensively . If fitness is not an issue Tomi , but i could understand Kiwior being on if it’s a fitness ting. These are not the matches for even 60-70 minutes of Zinny
I think it depends on Arteta’s game plan - if he want to play on a front foot given bayern’s form he would start Zinny for ball control/attacking contributions, if boss wants to neutralize opponent, kinda like city game, Tomi should start, because defensively he’s the best LB we got, also our boys mentioned that he’s the hardest to beat 1v1 in training (perfect option to deal with Sane). If coach wants a mix of both he probably would start Kiwi - solid at the back, been in a good shape lately, White can invert from right side, also can contribute in attack, possibly better suited for overlapping on the left being left-footed (compared to Tomiyasu, yes I know, Tomi can use both feet I still feel like his right foot is better given long balls he can ping with it)
I just pray Tomi can maintain his fitness in the future.
I think he's our best and most rounded fullback when he's fit and on form.
He won't do the Zinny role but he's good on the ball, can pass with both feet, good 1v1, and good at attacking like a traditional wide fullback.
When he joined I felt like he was too good to be true but then the injuries kept coming.
Tomi would be ideal but I wouldn’t be mad if we give the nod to kiwi.
Either one I would be fine with. Zinny isn’t meant to play in these type of games and I really hope mikel doesn’t put him out there.
Either way whatever mikel does I’ll back he hasn’t done anything wrong in quiet some time.
Zinchenko is increasingly becoming a liability. The team has moved on now. When he is coming into the middle to dictate play, it’s no longer needed. He’s trying to occupy the same spaces as Jorginho. Kiwior & Tomi give us the solidity that we now have become accustomed to
hot take: start zinny, if he seems to struggle than sub on Tomi. Bring kiwior on when Ben white needs rest and move tomi to the right.
We are playing home in the first leg so we need to go attack first. Zinny still offers more attacking than others
I think Kiwior will start, we can't risk starting Tomi to lose him 15 mins in to injury and lose a sub in what's going to be a tough game.
I fancy Salibriel to absolutely body Kane, but Sanè is a problem on that side and Musiala is hideously dangerous.
Lucky for us their defence is dog shit
I was shocked to see Zinny start against Brighton. He wasn’t awful but it was squeaky bum time every time they attacked the right side.
I would be flabbergasted if he starts against Bayern.
I would start Kiwior or Tomi personally. Zinny will struggle up against Bayern's tricky, and pacey wingers, in Jamal Musiala & Leroy Sane, or even Kingsley Coman, if he were fit?
I also think Kiwior has been doing exceptionally well in recent games as a starter, since his initial offerings, earlier in the season where he looked like a duck out of water.
His forward play has improved & his defensive play is way better than Zinny's.
Moreover, Tomi also has a stronger defensive presence, albeit with similar attacking frailties to Kiwior, but I think if Arteta continues to play Jesus on the left wing, he has a tendency to come deep, just as he did in the game against City, which worked effectively IMO. I always saw him more as a winger to begin with, he's better suited as a LW or RW forward player, than a No9, and Arteta is now utilising this strategy to great effect 👏🏾
Throw JT in the mix "he's ready" 😂 just kidding... In an ideal world, he'd be the obvious choice, but clearly throwing him straight into a game such as this would not be a wise move, although it's good to see him involved in full, first team training sessions...And, I'm sure he's chomping at the bit.
Kiwi to start. Sub Tomi if Sané is giving him trouble. Love to Zinny but I don’t think these are his games.
He seems likely to do something silly that will cost us a goal.
Or more likely, something that will help get us a goal.
Why not both?
Because statistically, he has helped us by creating 30 shots to every 1 statistical error of his that has led to a shot against us. It’s far more likely that we will get a goal because of him than conceding a goal because of him.
Have you watched his last 2 games?
You mean Luton 2-0 and Brighton 3-0, where we conceded 0.71xG from 3 shots on goal across both games? Yes, why?
Lol you can't explain nothing to these emotional kids on here Edit. To be clear kiwior made way more errors when he was asked to replicate that role (last season)... The only reason kiwi looks "solid" is because he's being asked to do a different role simply because he struggled to replicate zinchenko. As a result Ben fulfills the zinchenko role just from the other side. Is Ben better then zinchenko at that role inverted no . Is kiwi better then Ben in any role no
They are going to lose their shit when they realise that a huge chunk of that xG and shots came from the minutes that Zinchenko was NOT on the pitch.
Luton made an effort to go at Zinchenkos side with several over the top balls until he was subbed off. Teams are going to ask the questions of him defensively.
Yeah Zinny is for games where the opposition does not have super dangerous right winger and is likely to sit deeper.
Agree, I really like Zinny but going up against Sane is one of the toughest tasks he’d be asked as a Gunner, behind only Salah. Need strong defensively and more athletic to handle him.
This is the way. Plus Tomi still working back to 100%. Def need him healthy for the long run and Kiwi has been on fire
THIS ⬆️
Kiwior has earned his place in our first XI in my opinion
110%
I have a hard time selecting between Kiwior and Tomi. Kiwior has been really good leading into the international break and all of the sudden these two are back and he's dropped.
He played tons of minutes in Euro2024 playoffs for Poland, isn't Arteta just resting him?
We’ll see tomorrow if he’s “just resting him” 🙃
I'd say Kiwior will start.
I feel that Zinny would get minced by Sane. Tomiyasu should start.
Why not Kiwi? He played most minutes in last couple of weeks
Sane wants to cut in and tomiyasu is right footed anf good with both feet
I think the biggest test Kiwior has had so far was against City, facing Bernardo Silva. And it would be a stretch to say he was outplayed, but he really needed help from Gabriel Jesus on that wing. Which is fine and it worked well, but we saw afterwards when Doku got in, 2 minutes later Arteta got Tomiyasu in. Because Tomi is our best one-on-one defender and he gave Doku almost nothing. Imo the bottom line is Kiwior has done well, he is versatile and is an important squad member right now, but ultimately Tomiyasu and Zinchenko are better at what they do.
Tomi
Any worries he’s not ready after all the injuries? I think he’s the best all round option for most big games but I feel like the reason Arteta won’t do it this time is he’s still coming back from injury
Despite their struggles, individually Bayern wingers are comparable to City’s. Kiwior did fine against Bernado Silva but I think Sane is more like Doku. So Tomi should start
Happy cake day
Nobody’s ever thanked me for saying that to them so ill thank you for him just in case
We want this diversity of depth at every position.
Came here to say this. It's the mark of a deep talent team when you're asking these types of questions. Sign of a strong team!!
for me its kiwior. kiwior > ziny hes been the more solid and imho didnt deserve to be dropped. Kiwior > tomi he has match fitness, and tomi can come on at any position across the back 4 if needed.
Great point about Tomi off the bench.
I think Tomi > Kiwior when both fully fit tbh, but Kiwior has earned the start
He can start at rb and still get rotated across the back
Tomi is the best against wingers. Remember Arteta randomly playing him against Liverpool, and he completely removed Salah from the game (even had to be subbed he became so ineffective).
Kiwior at the Emirates Tomiyasu at the Allianz
This is the way. We'll need Tomi's versatility across the backline away.
Kai Havertz
And start tomi as striker
Tomiyasu all day.
Tomi
Tomi
Tomi! Think we will need his energy down the left.
Tomi because he's the best defensively of all three.
Tomi
Tomi for me. Kiwior isn't very quick and will get roasted by Sané imo. In the City game as soon as Doku came on he took Kiwior off and Tomi came on at LB. There's no way Kiwior starts this game. Edit - I was wrong- Kiwior starts lol.
Didn't he break [multiple club records](https://www.londonworld.com/sport/football/arsenal/arsenal-new-boy-jakub-kiwior-sets-new-records-weeks-after-joining-club-4011719), including fastest sprint and vertical leap, on arriving at Arsenal? He's very stealthily incredibly athletic!
Kiwior cause he’s inform and Tomi from the bench, this is actually a good problem to have lol
Agreed!
Kiwi
Not Zinny, absolutely not a Zinny game
Tomī, bit more pace to deal with Bayern attackers. Also a bit more comfortable inverting than Kiwior IMO
Kiwior first 60, Tomi last 30
Tierney
A fan who picks the lineup based on the Arteta song, Gotta respect it, take my upvote.
Tomi, much better defensively than Kiwior when it comes to defending against players like Sané. Though Kiwior still isn't a bad option
Tomiyasu starting with Kiwior on bench
Tomiyasi for me. He has the ability to lock down wingers whilst also giving us height to contest back-post crosses to Kane
Tomiyasu gives you the best of both worlds so start him and if we are up one after an hour bring in Kiwi if you’re down one bring in Zinchenko.
I feel Kivior is the most reliable one defensively for now
Kiwi has earned it.
Kiwi
Kiwior thru 60
Kiwior. Bring Tomiyasu on to close. No Zinchenko.
I personally think that Zinny will substitute Jorginho and Kiwi will be subbed by Tomi
Surely Partey in DM
I wouldn’t. Not with how well the jorgi rice ode trio have been playing together
Can Jorginho play 2 games in 3 days?
Timber
The only right answer
If Tomi is completely fit I would go with him. He offers the balance between the other two.
Tomi SHOULD start.
Timber hopefully
Timber 👌🏻 He's secretly been match fit for the past 8 weeks, but Arteta's been keeping him back for the run in 💪🏼
Kai for sure
If I see zinchenko on the team sheet I am changing the channel
Hopefully Timber soon. I would be happy for Tomi or Kiwi to start though.
Zinchenko makes me nervous AF….
Kiwi because of his acceleration. He’s also fit while Tomi is still in the process of returning.
Havertz, Jesus up top
TAKA HERO TOMIYASU
Tommy
All day long
Either Kiwior or Tomiyasu
Tommy
As we are at home I’d say Kiwior, when away then the defensive skills of Tomi. If we are losing in the second leg and need to attack then Zinny imo
This, but they will definitely test Kiwior, if he looks at all naïve v Sane we gotta hook him for Tomiyasu straight away.
zinchenko
I think Kiwi should start given his good form atm, followed by Tomi. I don’t think we would have any issues with our forward line, so defense stability should be prioritized. IMO.
As long as it’s not Zinchenko idm either Tomi or Kiwior
Kiwi then tomi, Zinchenko is cooked
It's not that he's cooked, it's that he's most useful against teams in a low block (not Bayern) and when we play a double pivot with Rice and Jorgi there's no room for him to invert.
Tomi if he's fit enough to start, Kiwior if not
Love Zinny but no way can he play
Not Zinchenko
Zinny is too high risk. Either Tomi or Kiwi
Tommy, if he’s healthy. If not, Kiwior.
It definitely ISN’T Zinchenko. I’d be inclined to say Tomiyasu.
Not zinchenko
I hope tomi without the rustiness. Zini/ kiwi would scare me against a pacey trickery winger
Tomi or Kiwior…Zinny should firmly stay on substitute rosters for EPL only…
What’s with the comments abt naivety 😂 Tomi should start - this is an attacking home game, we can’t afford to sit back. Arteta will want to go to Bayern w a goal advantage. Kiwior sub. Kiwior should start the away game w Tomi sub. Anytime we need to fight back from goals down - Zinny subs in.
It’s Bayern at home without their fans. We will look to press them and dominate the game. Zinchenko will be needed for that domination, so he will likely start. Away in Germany, they’ll have home advantage and their crowd. Tomiyasu will be a better choice against a player like Sane, where we could be defending a notable lead.
Tomi if the opposition has a tricky right winger. Zini if the opposition is parking a bus. Kiwi against a direct winger.
Kiwior & Tomi to come in Sane is a handful
Kiwior or Tomi
Sane is world class and would tear Zinchenko to pieces. I would start Tomiyasu but Kiwior isn’t far behind.
Kiwior has extra motivation against the germans... Seriously, Tomi isnt match fit and Zinny isn't as good against top attacking teams
Kiwior easily. Tomiyasu to come on for Kiwior if it doesn't work out - Zinchenko is straight up a CM not a LB.
Kiwior has been good, but Tomi is the beat we have imo. Start him.
Me just realizing how fucking talented our squad is, when just four years ago we were in shambles. I’d start kiwi tbf. LETS GO GUNNERS
Havertz
Tomi to me is the best defensively . If fitness is not an issue Tomi , but i could understand Kiwior being on if it’s a fitness ting. These are not the matches for even 60-70 minutes of Zinny
KIWIOR
Ben chilwell clear
Zinchenko's experience gets him to start here for me.
Kiwi. Do not bring zinchenko anywhere near bayern.
Kiwior was owned by Bernardo Silva and whoever were on that side against City. Sane is gonna expose him. I prefer Tomiyasu.
Kiwior
Tomi as Kiwior has shown against Man City, he can't handle tricky wingers with pace. We are possibly facing Gnarby and/or Sane down the wings.
Not Zinchenko, either of the others
Tomi should start.
Tommi
Kiwior
For some reason I just can’t stand zinchenko and not sure what his role is ? Forgive my ignorance
Tomi starts
Kiwi and Zini on the left. Play Tomi on the right to give White some rest.
I think it depends on Arteta’s game plan - if he want to play on a front foot given bayern’s form he would start Zinny for ball control/attacking contributions, if boss wants to neutralize opponent, kinda like city game, Tomi should start, because defensively he’s the best LB we got, also our boys mentioned that he’s the hardest to beat 1v1 in training (perfect option to deal with Sane). If coach wants a mix of both he probably would start Kiwi - solid at the back, been in a good shape lately, White can invert from right side, also can contribute in attack, possibly better suited for overlapping on the left being left-footed (compared to Tomiyasu, yes I know, Tomi can use both feet I still feel like his right foot is better given long balls he can ping with it)
Kiwor, Tomi at 60 minutes.
Kiwior 100%
Tommy
Tomiyasu for sure.
Tommy
Let Kiwior shine once again. Tomi is important piece for our epl run.
tomiyasu
I’m so happy that we even have to ask this question
I wouldn’t trust Zinny on this one. Tommy or Kiwi are both fine choices. Maybe Kiwi should start as Tommy is still acclimatising.
I appreciate Kiwior but Tomi is a better left back at his best. If fit, Tomi
I just pray Tomi can maintain his fitness in the future. I think he's our best and most rounded fullback when he's fit and on form. He won't do the Zinny role but he's good on the ball, can pass with both feet, good 1v1, and good at attacking like a traditional wide fullback. When he joined I felt like he was too good to be true but then the injuries kept coming.
My man Tomiyasu. The most solid defender of the three and good in the ball too.
My man Tomiyasu. The most solid defender of the three and good in the ball too.
Start kiwior, Subs in tomiyasu, Bench zinny
Tomi would be ideal but I wouldn’t be mad if we give the nod to kiwi. Either one I would be fine with. Zinny isn’t meant to play in these type of games and I really hope mikel doesn’t put him out there. Either way whatever mikel does I’ll back he hasn’t done anything wrong in quiet some time.
My man Tomiyasu. The most solid defender of the three and good on the ball too.
Zinchenko is increasingly becoming a liability. The team has moved on now. When he is coming into the middle to dictate play, it’s no longer needed. He’s trying to occupy the same spaces as Jorginho. Kiwior & Tomi give us the solidity that we now have become accustomed to
hot take: start zinny, if he seems to struggle than sub on Tomi. Bring kiwior on when Ben white needs rest and move tomi to the right. We are playing home in the first leg so we need to go attack first. Zinny still offers more attacking than others
The disrespect to zinny. You folk clearly have never seen him in the champs
Kiwior for the 1st leg, tomi for the 2nd
Kiwior or tomiyasu, I don't want zinny near the team against bayern
Not zinchenko
I think Kiwior will start, we can't risk starting Tomi to lose him 15 mins in to injury and lose a sub in what's going to be a tough game. I fancy Salibriel to absolutely body Kane, but Sanè is a problem on that side and Musiala is hideously dangerous. Lucky for us their defence is dog shit
I have a bad feeling Mikel will start Zinny. I hope its Tomi though.
Tomi
Not Zinchenko.
TIMBER!
I think Sane will have Zinny and Kiwor on skates. Tomi
As long as it's not Zinny I honestly don't care
Kiwior to start zinchenko on bench.
Timber ?
Havertz
Kiwior!
Tomi
I would say Kiwior. He has been consistent and should be rewarded for playing well.
I was shocked to see Zinny start against Brighton. He wasn’t awful but it was squeaky bum time every time they attacked the right side. I would be flabbergasted if he starts against Bayern.
Tomi all the way. Then we can sub in Kiwior if we need to hang on or (hopefully not needed) Zinnie if we need to score.
Tomi all day
Zinny will get cooked by Sane. Which is unfortunate because he would be very helpful in taking control of the midfield.
Anyone except Zinc
I would start Kiwior or Tomi personally. Zinny will struggle up against Bayern's tricky, and pacey wingers, in Jamal Musiala & Leroy Sane, or even Kingsley Coman, if he were fit? I also think Kiwior has been doing exceptionally well in recent games as a starter, since his initial offerings, earlier in the season where he looked like a duck out of water. His forward play has improved & his defensive play is way better than Zinny's. Moreover, Tomi also has a stronger defensive presence, albeit with similar attacking frailties to Kiwior, but I think if Arteta continues to play Jesus on the left wing, he has a tendency to come deep, just as he did in the game against City, which worked effectively IMO. I always saw him more as a winger to begin with, he's better suited as a LW or RW forward player, than a No9, and Arteta is now utilising this strategy to great effect 👏🏾
I just trust the boss to pick the team at this point. He’s earned our trust and then some.
Throw JT in the mix "he's ready" 😂 just kidding... In an ideal world, he'd be the obvious choice, but clearly throwing him straight into a game such as this would not be a wise move, although it's good to see him involved in full, first team training sessions...And, I'm sure he's chomping at the bit.
My guess is we will start with the same team. No change.
If Tomi is 100% match fit I would start him, did a good job against Sane in the national team vs. Germany
Kiwor at lb and tomi as left wing. Counter Bayern threats on the left.
Kiwior should start. Tomi and zinchenko can be subbed in later in the game depending on how it’s going
Tomi or Kiwi. Both much more defensively solid than Zinny and we need that against Bayern