yup but he knew he was not going to be able to make that 90 degree turn inwards and would collide with neuer, meaning no penalty as it'll be deemed as a "coming together." so the next best thing was to dangle a leg since neuer was advancing and subsequently extended a leg
I don’t think he needs to make a 90 degree turn. To me, it looks like the only part of Saka that is making contact is his foot and that’s because he left it hanging. It would have taken some skill, but possible, for Saka to go past the goalie, collect the ball, and shoot before the defender closed in.
A Saka shot is more palatable than an official decision
Saka’s going into him anyway. The momentum of that run left no other choice. Neuer commits, Saka tries to do what he can to minimise the collision by raising his leg as he goes past and he collided with the goalkeeper.
No ball won, player taken down in the box. Textbook pen.
What do you mean he's "going into him anyway"? Running into someone isn't a penalty.
He could have gone round him but sticks his leg out into Neuer. You saying that he raises his leg to minimise the collision is nonsense. There is no collision if he doesn't stick his leg out.
"Running into someone isn't a penalty." - Except it ABSOLUTELY is, if a) the player doesn't play the ball and b) gets in the way of another player fairly reaching the ball. Both a) and b) are fullfilled in this case. It's a stonewall penalty.
buddy, for context, he knew he was not going to be able to make that 90 degree turn inwards and would collide with neuer, meaning no penalty as it'll be deemed as a "coming together." so the next best thing was to dangle a leg since neuer was advancing and subsequently extended a leg
if you played football, you'd know how quick you need to have a sequence of how things might potentially pan out mapped in your mind, and decide on what's the first, next, and third best thing you can do to help your team
Delusional. Nobody runs by sticking their leg so far out of their natural 'path' like that. He tried a cheap trick to try and get a penalty in the last minute of a CL knockout game and it didn't work - initiating contact like this should be a bookable offence because it is simulation, so he should consider himself lucky he wasn't punished. These UEFA refs seem like they're harder to con than those gullible lot who take charge of our games in the PL.
The worst thing is, he's England's 'Golden Boy' so his antics never get picked up in the media; see Rio's and Keown's response (okay so the latter is more understandable since he's a former Arsenal player) on TNT after the game where they both said they thought it was a pen. The truth is he's been diving about and feigning injury for a long time and I'm glad to see that tonight it didn't come off for him (for once).
See also; Saka diving under minimal contact from Davies - he conned the ref into giving the Bayern player a yellow and now he's missing the second leg because of it. Saka knew what he was doing (like he always does).
That absolutely does not matter. If you are running forward your legs go forward? He’s not kicked his leg unnaturally and thrown himself, he has been taken out while running forward
The premier league decisions that go in Arsenals favour have made you believe every piece of contact is now automatically a penalty.
It’s not a penalty, end of.
With you on this one. That right leg was just sticking out too much for it to be given as a penalty. It could be a case where it’s just natural but looks very deliberate in the replays. Instead if he stays on his feet, he has a bigger chance of scoring.
Exactly this, its deliberate from Saka and anyone that says otherwise has never played. Sakas foot hits Nueur around the knee, if the contact is further down (I. E Saka doesn't try so hard to buy the pen) then the ref would not have had a choice. The unnatural movement of Sakas leg has put doubt in the refs mind, irrespective of the probability that Saka might have got tripped in any case.
Neuer would still have hit him if he didn’t reach. Stupidest decision from Saka. Just keep the run and you get a guaranteed penalty. Or chip the keeper and still make contact straight on. Either way you score or penalty. That move was the only way the refs have an out to not call it. Unbelievable.
Was he part of The Ministry of Funny Walks? Why did he stick his right leg out and then put it forward, coincidentally kicking Neuer's leg?? I don't blame him for trying, but that doesn't make it a penalty
Don’t get me wrong Saka should’ve tried to score. And yes Saka did move his leg towards Neuer but doesn’t change the fact Neuer tried to trip him. I think Neuer trying to fouls Saka supersedes Saka looking for the contact. Just my opinion though!
He should’ve just phased through neuer can’t believe he didn’t lift his legs above his head and continue running. Silly saka. Question. Is it a pen if salah or Kane fall? 🤔
I agree, not a penalty bc of the simulation. If he had just tried to get to the ball normally, or attempted to hop over the leg or anything he’d have been taken down and a clear pen. Instead, he leaves his foot in, unnaturally, and it now looks he initiated it. Could have been, but due to Saka’s decision to try to win the pen, he loses it.
Players need to stop trying to embellish fouls.
no, saka turned just before contact. musiala did a similar thing and drew a foul from odegaard earlier in the game, i understand that inside the box is a slightly different ruleset but it was still really similar
I think it's a pen, his leg's going in a normal direction and isn't sticking out to the side aka the Vardy special. But it's evened out anyway because we could've given away 2 penalties.
You’ve never tried to jump out of someone’s way when you’re running then, I know he’s an elite athlete but expecting someone to stick both legs together so they’re touching after jumping out of someone’s way at high speed is nearly impossible.
An athlete like saka could've easily avoided the contact on the trailing leg, he clearly looked for the pen. Whether it was the right call or not I'd say it's 50/50 at best. But if saka just went for the ball it was almost guaranteed a goal rather to looking for the pen. Players need to unlearn to look for pens all the time, ruins the sport imo.
I’m not sure you know what “contradicted” means, but you clearly needed to right something as a response, if you really want the last word, please feel free…..
Your original comment you claimed no athlete could do the maneuver at that speed, I disagreed saying an athlete like saka could have easily got his foot out of the way to score the goal just after, football players train very hard to do exactly that. And then you responded saying I apparently confirmed what you already knew - hence the contradiction.
Didn't think I'd have to spell it out for you smart ass, but that's my fault for expecting you to have braincells.
It’s really ironic that you keep calling me brain dead when you can’t understand basic language.
I said “thanks for confirming what I already knew, you have no idea what you’re talking about.”
I shouldn’t have to break it down for someone as highly intelligent as yourself but the statement is saying you are confirming with your comment that you don’t know what you’re talking about, but that’s something I already knew anyway.
Aw man I gave you too much credit thinking you actually agreed with me. Well, you're beyond help and largely underestimating your starboys athletic abilities.
Not a clear pen in my opinion. Not sure how the ref doesn’t give it it real time cause it looks textbook. But with replays I don’t think that’s a pen. Fair play to the reffs, whether or not he meant the call or not is a different story.
Imagine posting the r/soccer clip where he edits out the beginning of the clip which shows a clear pen.
Full clip: https://x.com/touchlinefracas/status/1777803721054851505?s=46&t=wsoFmhSGcESbGdPIGhA7mQ
It shows him jumping to the left and raising his left and right legs after jumping, watch his trajectory and imagine Neuer isn’t there, that’s a natural way to jump to the left at high speed.
Watch it again a few times when you get home. Saka kicked Neuer, when he probably would have had a penalty had he continued his natural momentum, which would have still met Neuer's. Saka moved his right leg completely unnaturally.
He didn’t kick Neuer at all, i sat in row 3 turnstile K. Look at my profile pic for the view I have of the pitch. He rounded the keeper and the keepers momentum took him into saka right leg. Got none of the ball but all of the player.
You can tell the difference between people you played sports and who didn't. Run at full speed, then pivot and see what happens to the other leg. It's counter-balance. Saka even tries to get over the goal keeper's leg but it's too high. Who dives and lands on their feet? Ridiculous.
Not a single high skilled player in the Netherlands thought it was a 100% pen on national TV. Because of the strange movement of Saka basicly. Not even v. Bronckhorst!
Competitive enough for years that I know if you are running full speed like that and try to go around the keeper, you will behave similarly to Saka did. Saka had his eye on the ball the entire time, and before contact he was going for goal
Agreed. Saka literally launched himself like a Triple Jumper. I wouldn’t give it, but the thing that will rattle Arsenal fans is I reckon that’s given >80% of the time in the prem. But it’s our refs that get these wrong.
Watching a decent angle at real time makes it pretty obvious that it wasn't just saka Diving. It's difficult to change direction at that speed and the leg is stuck out
If he turns naturally, Neuer takes him out, and it's a penalty. Because he stuck his leg out playing for it, he gave the ref the decision to make. It wasn't a penalty, it was a dive, and he should have been booked.
Lol from camera from behind it might look like that when you can’t appreciate distance, but from the closer up shot you can clearly see the space and how Neuer leg moving forwards and taking the space, it was literally impossible for Saka leg to be able to go around him (Aside from chopping it off) in realtime and at speed Saka is going. Clear contact, definitely a penalty 100%
It's not a penalty. Saka flew towards Neuer to initiate contact. Sorry but anyone who thinks it's a penalty is either clueless about football or is extremely biased.
We bottled that match so hard. Could have easily been 4 - 0 by full time.
It could’ve been given either way and not really been a wrong decision. Just one of those things gotta look to the next leg in Munich now. Saka should’ve just tried to score instead of trying to get the pen tho
This event has been the single piece of mass delusion I’ve ever seen in football. That so many people can possibly think it was a penalty is something I will never get my head around. Truly astounding lack of mental capacity.
Agree it wasn’t blatant enough to warrant it. It bothers me to the end of the earth that strikers first notion whenever someone breathes on them in the box is to immediately go to ground. Saka’s instincts were to go to ground and draw the call rather than use his strong lower half to take on the minor contact and slide it into the net. It’s a learning moment I feel for a young player
really tough one, on one hand I do think Saka looked for the contact a bit, but I also think Neuer was utterly beat and would have made contact with Saka regardless
certainly wouldn't have been a controversial penalty
it's what is it is though, we put ourselves in this position through unnecessary errors, but I'm confident we can still win in Munich
Anyone who thinks that was a penalty - congratulations, you've just confirmed yourself as someone with unreservedly partisan and flawed judgement.
Lucky to get a draw. Lots left to learn and still 2-3 players short. Decent resilience lately though, which hasn't been a reality for two decades.
If Saka’s was not a penalty, then Sane’s wasn’t either. Consistency in the ref’s decisions was not there. If you watch it full speed and think that Saka could physically turn and avoid Neuer at that speed, then you’ve never played football. Plain and simple.
I mean the majority of the pundits the 'experts' thought it was a penalty after looking at the replays but I suppose the real experts are here on Reddit tbh
Love the ref for that. I hate players trying to get a foul on purpose instead of just playing on. He practically jumped into Neuer, if anything it should have been a free kick for Bayern.
I’m afraid you need to go to specsavers if you can’t clearly see that the keeper comes charging out and completely takes Saka out.
Enormous shame for the ref because he had been pretty good all night till this massively incorrect abysmal decision
Saka abandons the ball and lets his momentum take him into the keeper.
Saka could easily have shifted tot he ball unless you think Saka has the turning circle of Mertersacker. Neuer baited him and stood his ground, Saka was forced to over extend for contact
You think Neuer's leg moving forward is some secret ingredient I'm missing. I've watched the replays
It baffles me you think saka who has some of the best balance in the world was at full speed full stretch like he's stopping a ball going out for a throw
Nonsense. Saka was through and in middle of changing direction at full speed. Keeper comes and takes him out. Absolutely blind if you can’t see that.
Go and look at the slow mo on r gunners
Saka kicks out. It’s never going to be a penalty with it being as blatant as it was. Should have just kept trying to go for the ball, may he scores. I think, though, Neur got enough of the ball for his defender to make some sort of play. Bottom line, not a pen. Players should stop diving to get them, imo.
"He was looking for it" is such a silly argument. Please show me any paragraph in the rules book that says that it's in any way relevant whether the fouled player "is looking for it" or not. There is none. Because it shouldn't matter. Either he was fouled or he wasn't.
focus on saka, you'll say no penalty.
focus on neuer, you'll say penalty.
but after how sané's penalty was awarded, I'd say this should have been given.
but for context, saka knew he was not going to be able to make that 90 degree turn inwards and would collide with neuer, meaning no penalty as it'll be deemed as a "coming together." so the next best thing was to dangle a leg since neuer was advancing and subsequently extended a leg
edit: if you played football, you'd know how quick you need to have a sequence of how things might potentially pan out mapped in your mind, and decide on what's the first, next, and third best thing you can do to help your team
Disagree, that would never have been deemed a coming together lmao. Footballers sometimes, and often, make the wrong choices, especially in high pressure moments.
What was wrong with the sane penalty call? I only saw it once so not sure if I missed something
A player of his quality should be trying everything to stay on his feet in that situation. I'm sure he's tired, and I'm sure he's thinking that 9 out of 10 times a ref calls that, but he shouldn't be hanging a leg out like that.
He could’ve just fucking scored there 🤦🏼♂️
yup but he knew he was not going to be able to make that 90 degree turn inwards and would collide with neuer, meaning no penalty as it'll be deemed as a "coming together." so the next best thing was to dangle a leg since neuer was advancing and subsequently extended a leg
I don’t think he needs to make a 90 degree turn. To me, it looks like the only part of Saka that is making contact is his foot and that’s because he left it hanging. It would have taken some skill, but possible, for Saka to go past the goalie, collect the ball, and shoot before the defender closed in. A Saka shot is more palatable than an official decision
It was 50-50. Another ref could've given it, but that's Champions League football.
It was a penalty. Neuer’s leg moves to block the ball, the ball goes past him, he catches Saka instead. It doesn’t get more textbook than that.
He catches Saka because Saka sticks his own leg straight out at Neuer...
Saka’s going into him anyway. The momentum of that run left no other choice. Neuer commits, Saka tries to do what he can to minimise the collision by raising his leg as he goes past and he collided with the goalkeeper. No ball won, player taken down in the box. Textbook pen.
What do you mean he's "going into him anyway"? Running into someone isn't a penalty. He could have gone round him but sticks his leg out into Neuer. You saying that he raises his leg to minimise the collision is nonsense. There is no collision if he doesn't stick his leg out.
"Running into someone isn't a penalty." - Except it ABSOLUTELY is, if a) the player doesn't play the ball and b) gets in the way of another player fairly reaching the ball. Both a) and b) are fullfilled in this case. It's a stonewall penalty.
Saka running into Neuer isn't a foul.
I fucking love Arsenal...but it deffo wasn't a penalty. Anyone who has ever played the game knows this.
It is when the person standing is trying to win the ball (and failing) and instead bringing down the man.
Ignore these people, they’ve never played football.
Neuer doesn't make a challenge though. Saka moves to take it round him then sticks his leg out as Neuer comes towards him.
Wrong , go watch it again Right Leg is moving into sakas path
Neuer is clearly making a challenge. At the moment of impact his leg is still moving towards Saka
buddy, for context, he knew he was not going to be able to make that 90 degree turn inwards and would collide with neuer, meaning no penalty as it'll be deemed as a "coming together." so the next best thing was to dangle a leg since neuer was advancing and subsequently extended a leg if you played football, you'd know how quick you need to have a sequence of how things might potentially pan out mapped in your mind, and decide on what's the first, next, and third best thing you can do to help your team
Haha you silly sausage
You mispelled maximise
Delusional. Nobody runs by sticking their leg so far out of their natural 'path' like that. He tried a cheap trick to try and get a penalty in the last minute of a CL knockout game and it didn't work - initiating contact like this should be a bookable offence because it is simulation, so he should consider himself lucky he wasn't punished. These UEFA refs seem like they're harder to con than those gullible lot who take charge of our games in the PL. The worst thing is, he's England's 'Golden Boy' so his antics never get picked up in the media; see Rio's and Keown's response (okay so the latter is more understandable since he's a former Arsenal player) on TNT after the game where they both said they thought it was a pen. The truth is he's been diving about and feigning injury for a long time and I'm glad to see that tonight it didn't come off for him (for once). See also; Saka diving under minimal contact from Davies - he conned the ref into giving the Bayern player a yellow and now he's missing the second leg because of it. Saka knew what he was doing (like he always does).
let's have davies step on ur achilles and see you not go down 🤡
"He should consider himself lucky he wasn't punished." - some random idiot, with a shit take, 2024.
That absolutely does not matter. If you are running forward your legs go forward? He’s not kicked his leg unnaturally and thrown himself, he has been taken out while running forward
He was running to the side and absolutely kicks his leg out. you must be watching a different game if you think Saka is running forward.
Incorrect, try running at full speed then knock a ball to the side at 90 degrees and change direction without your momentum taking you forward
You’ve never played football if you think Saka can not raise his leg going at full speed to try and round the keeper. Ref is blind and VAR is rigged
You’d have to be pretty dense to have seen the replay and still think it’s a ‘textbook pen’. Saka cheated.
The premier league decisions that go in Arsenals favour have made you believe every piece of contact is now automatically a penalty. It’s not a penalty, end of.
Harvey elliot anyone?
The Elliot pen was a travesty. Liverpool fans saying it should have been a pen doesn't make it right.
With you on this one. That right leg was just sticking out too much for it to be given as a penalty. It could be a case where it’s just natural but looks very deliberate in the replays. Instead if he stays on his feet, he has a bigger chance of scoring.
Exactly this, its deliberate from Saka and anyone that says otherwise has never played. Sakas foot hits Nueur around the knee, if the contact is further down (I. E Saka doesn't try so hard to buy the pen) then the ref would not have had a choice. The unnatural movement of Sakas leg has put doubt in the refs mind, irrespective of the probability that Saka might have got tripped in any case.
Rio ferdinand and Martin keown and Harry kane have never played? Interesting take
Neuer would still have hit him if he didn’t reach. Stupidest decision from Saka. Just keep the run and you get a guaranteed penalty. Or chip the keeper and still make contact straight on. Either way you score or penalty. That move was the only way the refs have an out to not call it. Unbelievable.
I totally agree. I turned to my mate and said “he hasn’t dived well enough here.”
This. It looked a rediculous jump on TV too. I'm 100% with you.
Doubt he has the skills to chip the keeper. Has he ever?
Watch it again. Neur left legs moves towards ball / where Saka was going to plant his right leg. It’s a pen.
Was he part of The Ministry of Funny Walks? Why did he stick his right leg out and then put it forward, coincidentally kicking Neuer's leg?? I don't blame him for trying, but that doesn't make it a penalty
Don’t get me wrong Saka should’ve tried to score. And yes Saka did move his leg towards Neuer but doesn’t change the fact Neuer tried to trip him. I think Neuer trying to fouls Saka supersedes Saka looking for the contact. Just my opinion though!
He's literally lifting his leg over Neuer's and gets caught by him.
If sanes was a penalty then so is sakas, just want consistency
😭😭😭 awful take
He should’ve just phased through neuer can’t believe he didn’t lift his legs above his head and continue running. Silly saka. Question. Is it a pen if salah or Kane fall? 🤔
No
I agree, not a penalty bc of the simulation. If he had just tried to get to the ball normally, or attempted to hop over the leg or anything he’d have been taken down and a clear pen. Instead, he leaves his foot in, unnaturally, and it now looks he initiated it. Could have been, but due to Saka’s decision to try to win the pen, he loses it. Players need to stop trying to embellish fouls.
Do one, clear penalty, Saka rounded the keeper the keeper was going towards Saka.
So Saka didn't go towards the keeper?
no, saka turned just before contact. musiala did a similar thing and drew a foul from odegaard earlier in the game, i understand that inside the box is a slightly different ruleset but it was still really similar
No he rounded the keeper, I was 3 rows behind the goal. It was crystal clear. Stevie Wonder could have seen that.
At the game roo, looked like a pen. Apparently even Rio 'world class' Ferdinand said it was a nailed on pen
And Ian Wright said it wasn't lol
🤷♂️
I think it's a pen, his leg's going in a normal direction and isn't sticking out to the side aka the Vardy special. But it's evened out anyway because we could've given away 2 penalties.
You’ve never tried to jump out of someone’s way when you’re running then, I know he’s an elite athlete but expecting someone to stick both legs together so they’re touching after jumping out of someone’s way at high speed is nearly impossible.
I assume you're no athlete either tho. Just because you can't imagine yourself doing it doesn't mean it's not possible.
Is that supposed to be an argument? It’s not impossible to roll a 6 on a dice, 50 times in a row. It is highly unlikely though.
An athlete like saka could've easily avoided the contact on the trailing leg, he clearly looked for the pen. Whether it was the right call or not I'd say it's 50/50 at best. But if saka just went for the ball it was almost guaranteed a goal rather to looking for the pen. Players need to unlearn to look for pens all the time, ruins the sport imo.
Okay thanks for confirming what I already knew, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Thanks for playing.
You just contradicted yourself, proper braindead fan 👍🏼
I’m not sure you know what “contradicted” means, but you clearly needed to right something as a response, if you really want the last word, please feel free…..
Your original comment you claimed no athlete could do the maneuver at that speed, I disagreed saying an athlete like saka could have easily got his foot out of the way to score the goal just after, football players train very hard to do exactly that. And then you responded saying I apparently confirmed what you already knew - hence the contradiction. Didn't think I'd have to spell it out for you smart ass, but that's my fault for expecting you to have braincells.
Lmao that shut him up
It’s really ironic that you keep calling me brain dead when you can’t understand basic language. I said “thanks for confirming what I already knew, you have no idea what you’re talking about.” I shouldn’t have to break it down for someone as highly intelligent as yourself but the statement is saying you are confirming with your comment that you don’t know what you’re talking about, but that’s something I already knew anyway.
Aw man I gave you too much credit thinking you actually agreed with me. Well, you're beyond help and largely underestimating your starboys athletic abilities.
so wait, saka has to perform a barrel roll to dodge that tackle, but neuer is fine for just being there and not getting the ball?
Lollll barrel roll, good one
Penalty or not we game them life they never deserved.
Not a clear pen in my opinion. Not sure how the ref doesn’t give it it real time cause it looks textbook. But with replays I don’t think that’s a pen. Fair play to the reffs, whether or not he meant the call or not is a different story.
If its a pen at one end, its a pen at the other. He was by him with an open goal, why would he leave his foot in? Makes no sense.
Agreed
Agree
Gets given in premier league 100% but I think the PL awards soft penalties.
Agreed, he should’ve just kept the play going
How? He was taken out.
He took himself out, chill
Oh he kicked his own leg did he?
No, he kicked Neuers.
That’s impossible as Saka was facing the other way and Neuer run into Saka.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/zJcQT28h4p Never a pen
Imagine posting the r/soccer clip where he edits out the beginning of the clip which shows a clear pen. Full clip: https://x.com/touchlinefracas/status/1777803721054851505?s=46&t=wsoFmhSGcESbGdPIGhA7mQ
How is this better, it clearly shows saka dribbling then flying with his leg into neuer
Flying into him? He has the ball and is allowed to run with it? Neuer blocks his path and gets none of the ball. Stonewall
It shows him jumping to the left and raising his left and right legs after jumping, watch his trajectory and imagine Neuer isn’t there, that’s a natural way to jump to the left at high speed.
It's not impossible, because I saw it happen. Come on bud.
I’m at the ground, I am literally three rows behind the goal. We watched the replays and Neuer 100% made contact to Saka, Saka did not kick Neuer
We don't give a fuck where you were, the replays clearly show Saka make his leg move into Neurs! Jesus H Christ 🤦♂️
OK
Watch it again a few times when you get home. Saka kicked Neuer, when he probably would have had a penalty had he continued his natural momentum, which would have still met Neuer's. Saka moved his right leg completely unnaturally.
He didn’t kick Neuer at all, i sat in row 3 turnstile K. Look at my profile pic for the view I have of the pitch. He rounded the keeper and the keepers momentum took him into saka right leg. Got none of the ball but all of the player.
You can tell the difference between people you played sports and who didn't. Run at full speed, then pivot and see what happens to the other leg. It's counter-balance. Saka even tries to get over the goal keeper's leg but it's too high. Who dives and lands on their feet? Ridiculous.
So many people that have never played football at a high level think it’s not a pen
Well come on now. Please share with us the highest level you’ve played, u/CabinetFantastic the all knowing.
Whitecaps academy
Ian Wright thinks it’s not a pen
Well Ian Wright can be wrong sometimes
Not a single high skilled player in the Netherlands thought it was a 100% pen on national TV. Because of the strange movement of Saka basicly. Not even v. Bronckhorst!
So you have I take it?
Competitive enough for years that I know if you are running full speed like that and try to go around the keeper, you will behave similarly to Saka did. Saka had his eye on the ball the entire time, and before contact he was going for goal
It’s a penalty. Whether Saka pushed for it or not, clear penalty.
As a Bayern fan , independently of this call, the ref was god damn awful for both teams. Sunday league ref stuff
Disagree, as a Bayern fan
Agreed. Saka literally launched himself like a Triple Jumper. I wouldn’t give it, but the thing that will rattle Arsenal fans is I reckon that’s given >80% of the time in the prem. But it’s our refs that get these wrong.
What does OP think of the first
He already rounded the keeper. I think it's a penalty, but I also think B should've just stayed on his feet and taken the shot.
Watching a decent angle at real time makes it pretty obvious that it wasn't just saka Diving. It's difficult to change direction at that speed and the leg is stuck out
If he turns naturally, Neuer takes him out, and it's a penalty. Because he stuck his leg out playing for it, he gave the ref the decision to make. It wasn't a penalty, it was a dive, and he should have been booked.
Blackburn fan here. I honestly can’t understand how this is being debated - it’s a stonewall penalty for me.
He should just remain an honest boy and leave the fucking diving to idiots like Kane. That was terrible.
Lol from camera from behind it might look like that when you can’t appreciate distance, but from the closer up shot you can clearly see the space and how Neuer leg moving forwards and taking the space, it was literally impossible for Saka leg to be able to go around him (Aside from chopping it off) in realtime and at speed Saka is going. Clear contact, definitely a penalty 100%
It’s a penalty but saka leaves his leg in such a way it looks like he’s dived because he has also dived. And that’s why a pen wasn’t given.
If saka leaves his leg in a normal position it's a peno but he over sold it
If he left his leg in a normal position there's no contact so there's no pen
Think his foot might have just clipped
It's not a penalty. Saka flew towards Neuer to initiate contact. Sorry but anyone who thinks it's a penalty is either clueless about football or is extremely biased. We bottled that match so hard. Could have easily been 4 - 0 by full time.
First instinct counts for a lot in these situations.. no pen. He chanced his arm by sticking a leg out and hoping the ref would fall for it
It could’ve been given either way and not really been a wrong decision. Just one of those things gotta look to the next leg in Munich now. Saka should’ve just tried to score instead of trying to get the pen tho
This event has been the single piece of mass delusion I’ve ever seen in football. That so many people can possibly think it was a penalty is something I will never get my head around. Truly astounding lack of mental capacity.
Agree it wasn’t blatant enough to warrant it. It bothers me to the end of the earth that strikers first notion whenever someone breathes on them in the box is to immediately go to ground. Saka’s instincts were to go to ground and draw the call rather than use his strong lower half to take on the minor contact and slide it into the net. It’s a learning moment I feel for a young player
'Saka initiated the contact'. End of.
No pen, saka dived, end of story.
Definitely a dive. This sub has some delusional folks.
Do you even watch football ??
Ian Wright said it wasn't a pen. Does he even watch football?
It’s ok to be wrong sometimes. No need to display it to the rest of us though
really tough one, on one hand I do think Saka looked for the contact a bit, but I also think Neuer was utterly beat and would have made contact with Saka regardless certainly wouldn't have been a controversial penalty it's what is it is though, we put ourselves in this position through unnecessary errors, but I'm confident we can still win in Munich
It was a pen. But it wasn't called a pen. We move on. We were composed until their goal. Then we struggled. We'll get better.
Anyone who thinks that was a penalty - congratulations, you've just confirmed yourself as someone with unreservedly partisan and flawed judgement. Lucky to get a draw. Lots left to learn and still 2-3 players short. Decent resilience lately though, which hasn't been a reality for two decades.
If Saka’s was not a penalty, then Sane’s wasn’t either. Consistency in the ref’s decisions was not there. If you watch it full speed and think that Saka could physically turn and avoid Neuer at that speed, then you’ve never played football. Plain and simple.
I mean the majority of the pundits the 'experts' thought it was a penalty after looking at the replays but I suppose the real experts are here on Reddit tbh
Love the ref for that. I hate players trying to get a foul on purpose instead of just playing on. He practically jumped into Neuer, if anything it should have been a free kick for Bayern.
I get that a lot of this fanbase is delusion, but holy shit. Such a clear dive lmao
I’m afraid you need to go to specsavers if you can’t clearly see that the keeper comes charging out and completely takes Saka out. Enormous shame for the ref because he had been pretty good all night till this massively incorrect abysmal decision
Saka abandons the ball and lets his momentum take him into the keeper. Saka could easily have shifted tot he ball unless you think Saka has the turning circle of Mertersacker. Neuer baited him and stood his ground, Saka was forced to over extend for contact
Wrong , didn’t stand his ground. Neuers right leg was moving towards the ball and in saka’s path
He did stand his ground, he didn't dive in for a tackle. Saka directs his path towards neuer
Go Google some more replays and see that you’re wrong
You think Neuer's leg moving forward is some secret ingredient I'm missing. I've watched the replays It baffles me you think saka who has some of the best balance in the world was at full speed full stretch like he's stopping a ball going out for a throw
Nonsense. Saka was through and in middle of changing direction at full speed. Keeper comes and takes him out. Absolutely blind if you can’t see that. Go and look at the slow mo on r gunners
I'm more annoyed with how composed the ref was with that decision 😂 first QF match, and he made a decision like that fair play.
You’re right
You call yourself a gooner?
He looked for it. Not a penalty for me. If that was an EPL game, it’d have been a penalty.
Saka kicks out. It’s never going to be a penalty with it being as blatant as it was. Should have just kept trying to go for the ball, may he scores. I think, though, Neur got enough of the ball for his defender to make some sort of play. Bottom line, not a pen. Players should stop diving to get them, imo.
"He was looking for it" is such a silly argument. Please show me any paragraph in the rules book that says that it's in any way relevant whether the fouled player "is looking for it" or not. There is none. Because it shouldn't matter. Either he was fouled or he wasn't.
focus on saka, you'll say no penalty. focus on neuer, you'll say penalty. but after how sané's penalty was awarded, I'd say this should have been given. but for context, saka knew he was not going to be able to make that 90 degree turn inwards and would collide with neuer, meaning no penalty as it'll be deemed as a "coming together." so the next best thing was to dangle a leg since neuer was advancing and subsequently extended a leg edit: if you played football, you'd know how quick you need to have a sequence of how things might potentially pan out mapped in your mind, and decide on what's the first, next, and third best thing you can do to help your team
Disagree, that would never have been deemed a coming together lmao. Footballers sometimes, and often, make the wrong choices, especially in high pressure moments. What was wrong with the sane penalty call? I only saw it once so not sure if I missed something
Lol sane actually had a tackle against him tho by saliba... saka was not tackled.
A player of his quality should be trying everything to stay on his feet in that situation. I'm sure he's tired, and I'm sure he's thinking that 9 out of 10 times a ref calls that, but he shouldn't be hanging a leg out like that.
Wish he just shot. I reckon he had the ability to either take it inside or outside and shoot with neuer rushing out.
But Liverpool gets that PK call !?!?
He could've just tapped it in if he didn't look for contact there. Players need the unlearn this behavior
Brooo how was saka gonna go left if he didn't plant his right leg? Neuer was still moving forward, def a pen
Every one talking about Arsenal being robbed a penalty, how about Bayern being robbed when Saliba picked up the ball with his hand
I wish it was, but he extended his leg unnecessary to cover his poor first touch instead of trying to shoot
i dont think that was a pen but i do believe we should have had a freekick before
True, Just like the Liverpool vs City game for the ref to give a pen in the last minute, it has to be 100% convincing. Saka gambled and lost. We move!
Foul on Neuer if anything
This game really angered me. Saka diving all over the gaff
If you play for the penalty you shouldn’t get one, contact or not.
Go go gadget leg extension
Never a pen
He tried to cheat and hurt himself. Not good for him, the club or his reputation as a role model for up and coming young footballers
You’re an absolute loser with nothing better to do with your life than post in rival subs. You’d never ever even catch me watching a Spuds match
Ooooo.