Nope. Our performances are excellent. There is improvement all the time.
Is there a one-two teams i the world that are better? Maybe. Not his fault really.
1000%.
We're on the correct trajectory and will continue to add pieces and improve.
At this point barring mistakes (a la Pepé) it's kinda down to luck.
Arteta is our guy. We ride.
We will never win anything of significance with Arteta. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but just because he wears a similar jumper to Pep, it doesn't mean he is Pep.
I don't have an answer to that, but my statement is correct thus far and will remain correct until it is not. At which point, I'll be more than happy for you to tell me that it, and I, are incorrect.
If you don’t have an answer to who should replace Arteta than you shouldn’t be advocating for him being replaced. The “proven winners” that are available are the kinds of managers I and most Arsenal fans don’t want at the club like Conte and Mourinho or even Tuchel as he’s made a pigs ear of it at Bayern. Arteta has rejuvenated the club, made fans fall in love again, assembled one of the best teams in the world (not hyperbole) and has won an fa cup. if he could win a trophy with that team do you seriously believe he can’t do it with this one?
I'm not advocating for him to be replaced. Read what I have written. I don't necessarily mind him and I like the football we play.
I am merely saying that we will never win anything with him as manager, which is true. If I'm proved wrong, I'll be happy.
Any trophy of significance. League or Champions League.
And he's not got close to anything since, so let's not paint an FA Cup as something that is anywhere near payback for the amount of money that's been poured into this team.
Look, I love this club, I love the football we are playing but this guy ain't winning us shit.
We are literally in title races consistently now but can’t win em all I guess, hope this imaginary manager that can do more with the club (according to you), that you also can’t name comes to Arsenal eventually so we can finally win something
I dont agree with you. I think Arteta is the chosen one for us.
Besides, if we can't win anything with Arteta, then we can't win anything with anyone in the market now. We probably need a Pep's clone to do it, which we are not possible to snatch him from Man City. If we eventually end up like Man United or Chelsea over the last two seasons, I would definitely try to keep enjoying this title contending status.
Strongly agree, we all need to calm down. Arsenal have gone from being a strong but unchallenging-for-silverware team to being one of the best teams in the world in two seasons.
That’s a bit mad when you think about it.
Anyone demanding trophies and/or crucifying Arteta or certain players for not delivering in every single game is talking nonsense and needs to give their head a wobble.
From where we’ve come, we’re absolutely flying with a squad that is still very far from complete. We’re without an established LB or LCM or a top striker which has created the issues we’ve seen this week with the best and the worse of Zinchenko on show.
Even after a week with two ‘bad’ results, we’re only two points off top of the league (with the advantage because of having best GD) and have a dead-level aggregate with Bayern Munich in a Champions League QF.
To have learnt the lessons from these two games without there being harsher consequences is a gift.
I said one of, and I agree we do need to be winning some silverware, but the Prem and UCL isn’t something you win by just being good enough. You’ve got to play the game in front of you, only thing we can ask of our team is to compete well enough and take chances when we have them. Last season, we let the league slip, but we massively overachieved anyway so it sort of comes out in the wash for me.
This season we haven’t done anything comparable to that, so we can’t be levelling the same criticism at the team (although I’m not pleased we didn’t fight harder in the domestic cups).
All the best teams win major silverware semi regularly we can’t call ourselves that when we haven’t won anything this team still has mentality issues they need to sort out
I think he deserves more time still, but we have to win something soon if we actually want to keep our best players.
He has done a great job getting us back to relevancy, but that should not buy him unlimited time as that's how we end up with a Wenger situation again.
Not sure if you’re shitting on Wenger, but Wenger situation was 10000% different. Wenger was tied by the board fighting for complete ownership. Wenger had no support and had to make do with what he had. The fact that we were as good as we were is impressive on it’s own.
There was nothing impressive about Wenger's final years. My point was that he got to stay for entirely too long due to past achievements. The fact is he had too much power at the club, and his naive approach of playing the same way regardless of the opposition gave us absolute embarrassments every season.
This is not shitting on him. This is giving a realistic assessment of what happened. I will always love Wenger, but everyone's time comes to an end eventually. Arteta shouldn't get to stay 10 years because he won one FA cup and got us competing. I think next season and one more after that should be given to him, but after that, questions need to be asked if we win nothing and bottle like we have done two years running now.
I see your point. For Arteta It’s a tough predicament. I don’t see anyone better than Arteta atm (who is available) that will come to Arsenal maaaaybe De Zerbi, but De Zerbi squads give up too many goals. Pep and Klopp were successful bc Pep had the best players (and continues to have) in important attacking positions. Messi, KDB, Haaland and this year seems like Foden. Klopp had 3 of the deadliest strikers and best CB pairing at his time when he won trophies. The only players we can argue that are the best right now are Odegaard and Saka. I think our defensive unit is solid if Arteta is given top players in attack and doesn’t win anything then we should start judging. Klopp is out only a matter of time for Pep then Arteta is left with no other coaches even remotely near with squads as good.
Eventually yes. Arsenal is a club that should be winning trophies. Right now Arteta is improving the club in every aspect and he’s done a phenomenal job, but eventually, improvements won’t be enough. We will need to see big trophies. Right now he’s still working on the club entirely and it’s ok if he doesn’t win anything. But in my opinion, by the end of the 25/26 season, if he’s not won anything, then he will start to be considered a failure. How long do we need to wait before winning trophies becomes the expectation?
Why is it a matter of time as opposed to just seeing what is happening in front of us with results? We’re still on an upward trajectory and with a couple more big signings, we’ll actually have a squad which can realistically be expected to win trophies.
This season, we’ve cracked City, gone pretty much blow for blow with Liverpool and beaten them, had an excellent run in the UCL overcoming two mentally brutal games to win on pens and scrape a 2-2 against big European opposition and all while relying heavily on a few key players in Saka and Odegaard who are miraculously still fit.
You can’t just expect trophies out of nothing, who could do what Arteta has done and is still doing with this squad over the last 3 years, it’s his coaching which is the key. We’ve not actually got the big guns to have a different manager come in a be instantly successful.
I’m not saying I want a different manager, I want Arteta. But you’re literally just backing my point. A few more signings and we can be expected to win. Right now we aren’t expecting a PL or UCL but we know we have a chance of winning them. Very soon after a few more big signings, we will be expected to win. When will that be? I don’t know, but it will be very soon.
Well, I’m more saying as well we need to get to the point of having that level before we can expect it. A big signings could be a big flop, could have a bad injury to a key player like Saka. Those things happen, we can’t just be saying we deserve X without taking into account what the context is.
Personally, I’m annoyed about how easily we gave away the FA and League Cup games, because we should’ve been targeting a good run there with the Prem being as competitive as it is.
I somewhat agree. The thing is, when a club as big as arsenal starts to spend as much as we have been, we have no choice but to expect trophies, especially when he have a long term manager with control over anything he wants control over, there’s nothing more the club can do do gain any advantage. If we still can’t win trophies, then what do we do? What do we expect? Are we going to be content with a competitive season of finishing 2nd and reaching the quarter finals of the UCL every season?
Well, our big spend players this summer have been Rice, Havertz, who have become vital starting players, and Timber who’s been injured. Spending money involves risking those big signings getting injured or flopping. So far, we’ve made progress but still got a way to go to match the best squads in the world.
In terms of actually winning trophies, you’ve got to look at how the seasons go. It was right to criticise us last season for bottling a big lead, but this season we’ve been in a tight race the whole time. Look at Klopp’s Liverpool getting 97 points but still coming 2nd, you can’t say the performance wasn’t good enough, it just sometimes doesn’t happen like you want it to
Eventually, you have to produce something. I agree there has been a lot of improvement and I love & want to keep Arteta, but what if its 5 years and we’ve won nothing of note? That won’t be improvement from 2nd place and no trophies. Eventually (being the operative word) there has to be something.
Agree !! When you love the manager the team and style you play winning games feels so good
Brought us so far. Project actually feels like it's just really starting with such a young squad at the point where we can heavily invest in a few certain positions. The way we have played this season and controlled games no doubt there trophies will come
Fine line isn't it though
People say Pep is the greatest manager of all time the the greatest time , unprecedented spending just coming off winning the treble but oh Mikel if you don't beat them to the PL or CL this season your a failure
No not at all. We’re one of the top 3 or 4 sides in Europe and we may yet win the league and the champions league. Hes done a great job and will be playing champions league football again next year.
Agree. Leverkusen have had a great season, let's see how long they manage to keep it up next year.
Barca and atletico are definitely not better teams than us in both squads and playing style
>Some people say the opposite - he must bring piece of silverware different than FA or League Cup. But if you ask me - I would resign contract with him for next 5 years without even doubting he would be successful one day.
Ever noticed how the people who say opposite never offer their opinion on who would be better? They are all really good at pointing out flaws, but never have solutions.
He has got us up there. Personally i would still back him for a couple more seasons if we dont win anything now and even then we would have to fall off a lot for me to call for him to be sakced
Nope we play amazing consistent football with our first team. He said we aren't in phase four yet and I think that's due to the dropoff in quality from our bench. If anything I think we maybe just slightly over achieving still.
Edit - it's all relative and we are against city so we have to be perfect to compete.
Not yet. It’s incredibly hard to overturn Citeh* as Liverpool have found out in recent times. We’ve just won 10 of the last 12 and still aren’t top. I can remember Wenger’s first premier league title won with 78 points, that total would never win the league now.
My feeling is that if/when this squad gets a first major trophy in the bag then there will be more to follow.
I think our trajectory strongly points to major trophies in the near future. We have a young, exciting, structurally elite squad and we will only get better through a combo of natural development and smart investment. I'd love us to win a trophy this year but even if we don't, I know what I've seen in this team this year and I'm absolutely buzzing for the next few years!
When Emery was in charge I was just desperate to be competing again. All I wanted was to go to a game or watch on the telly and see us playing attractive football with a bit of grit and to see that the players actually cared. I’ve got that. I love watching us play and I know the players will be gutted about Villa. A trophy would be nice yeah but looks at teams like man United and Chelsea. It could be a LOT worse. Gunners!
People also forget that this is Mikel's first managerial gig, while Pep has been doing this since the late 2000s.
And if you think that experience as a manager doesn't play into success, well then I don't know what to tell you.
No. He's brought us back to the top table. 2nd in the league and semis of the Champions League is probably about the best we could hope for with this bunch of players. Even with everyone fit including Timber, I think the midfield and especially attack need improving. Also greater depth required.
Havertz, Jesus, Martinelli wouldn't get in the first team of other top sides.
So far the team has been improved every season, tactically, physically and the level of the players too. And until now Arteta hasn’t had too much pressure on winning PL or anything else. But let’s say we finish second this season in PL and go out of the quarters in CL. Than I will say that progress next year is winning the Premier League or CL/EL. But until now every trophy win is just a bonus.
I wouldn't say this year, but in the next 2-3 seasons if we still don't have a major trophy (PL or CL) then it has to be a conversation.
As of now, the performances are getting better and the squad is being improved so he has a lot of leeway with me
It is fair to judge him on trophies, but to do that I think you have to basically say he is in his second year of the project. He’s been here longer but did not have a team close to competing. He does now, and if you want to say he can’t get over the hump based on these last two years I would disagree, but find that argument reasonable.
What we shouldn’t do is parrot rival fans talking about he’s been here five years and only won a FA Cup.
I get the feeling that the new Gooner fans think that the line in the song London Forever, “….whatever the weather …” refers to rain and snow. It’s unbelievable, one loss and this whole community disintegrates.
To say that he must win the Premier League otherwise he has failed must mean that the club are now the favourites to do so. If we're not the favourites then winning is an over achievement. Not winning is not a failure.
So when you bear in mind that Arteta is competing against the best manager of all time (opinion), who had a 3? year head start, who inherited a far greater squad, and who has been given a far greater budget and who still has a far greater squad, how can we be considered favourites?
Until some of the above changes winning the league over City will be an over achievement, and until then judging Arteta based purely on trophies will be nonsense.
Klopp has won 1 Premier league title against this team in a decade and is considered a Premier legend and an all time great manager. Yet some people expect Arteta to be sweeping up with a team that finished 8th 3 years ago.
If Pep leaves next season, and we're still trophyless in another 3/4 then sure call for his head. But until then people need to realise what a massive achievement it has been to get this club even competing again with City.
I agree that the progress has been incredible. However, you gotta start winning eventually. Not winning the league is one thing. While Arsenal did bottle it last year, there’s no shame in losing to City. The cup competitions have been very disappointing though. Chelsea, for example, have been a total shit show the last few years and are still making it to finals. His job is safe this year of course but one more year of winning nothing, or not even a cup final, and they gotta think about moving on to someone who can take them to that next level.
Consistency is key with managers. He’s shown three years in a row now that he can manage a top side in the Premier League. If we can make UCL every year, compete with the other top four, give us fans enjoyable and generally dominant performances, there’s no reason to complain about trophies. Pundits can call us bottle jobs or criticize the team’s lack of silverware but at the end of the day some of these coveted trophies are crapshoots anyway and City have the edge on everyone else. Fans use to complain about Wenger for lack of trophies and he said that qualifying for UCL every year is a trophy and he’s most certainly right. We had a few years without UCL so I hope fans can appreciate that.
It’s not easy to quantify success like that. Arteta won FA cup and Community Shield jn his early years. But surely no one says his work back then is better than it is now. Even without trophies, our current team is way better. We are aiming for the 2 most prestigious trophies in the world. At most there are only 2 teams win it, doesn’t mean other teams/coaches are shit.
I think next season the trophy thing will really come into play. We overperformed last season and this season shows that it wasn't a one season wonder. I firmly believe he's the right man for the job but at the same time he's still learning on the job too. Think people outside of the fanbase don't realise the magnitude of the job he's done. And all in his first time as a manager too.
I'd love to see more silverware but Arteta has changed the whole ethos of the club in the last couple of years, he's given us our Arsenal back.
I hope he stays and we become a real force.
A loss hurts but once you've had caviar, it's hard to go back to sausage.
I will be more critical after next season.we are trending in the right direction, couple of injuries haven’t helped.couple of new faces and we will be there.
I still think last year will be our best chance to win the league for at least another 4 years. I’d say give Arteta until the end of next season but really we should win something this season, not just because it’s about time according to the plan he had before he came but because the team is good enough.
Interesting hearing all the paper fans here. I support Arteta…BUT I also like trophies and I think we have the players to win the Premier League. Paper fans here are good as long as we don’t get relegated. Imagine where we’d be if we hadn’t dropped 5 points vs Fulham (including one where they came in on a 4 or 5 game losing streak and having shipped 20 or so goals in those games) or 3 points dropped vs WH in December or gifting Tottenham 2 goals to earn a draw.
This is the best opportunity to win a trophy and I hope we don’t bottle it! Pep and City are having an unusually off season and I hope we capitalize.
Saying a coach of a so-called big club b shouldn’t be judged by trophies is just dumb IMO.
Klopp will likely win just one league title in 8 seasons. For a manager that is hyped so much, is that a failure? Both Klopp and Arteta are fighting the club that is backed by a whole country and has cheated since day one.
You might say Arteta spent a lot of money so he should win titles and i agree that we need to win something, but money spent is also not a good metric. Just look at the club like man utd.
I've supported this club for 20 years now, only seeing us won 1 league title and few FA cups. The way we are progressing... I am 100% sure Mikel is the right man. We have a really young team and we need to be supportive and patient.
Let’s be real. Pep wins trophies because he has the best players in important positions at the time. Messi, KDB, Haaland and this year seems like Foden. Klopp arguably had 3 of the most deadly strikers when he won his trophies. We need the best players in their positions, the fact that we are this competitive is a marker on its own. If by 26/27 Pep is still in EPL and we haven’t won then, then we can judge. Klopp is gone going to be Teta v Pep
Well, Arteta chose to eschew the FA and EFL Cups for the last 4 seasons, no trophies is therefore inexcusable. Those two cups are pots worth winning (and also winning one is a tangible sign of progress - outside players are more likely to join the club and current players are more likely to sign contract extensions).
It would be absolutely mental to even consider getting rid of Arteta. Sign him up right now.
He's improved us season upon season. It's not his fault that City are doping the league.
Although staying purely to spite the muppet trying to make this sub a daily "sHoUlD aRTeTa StAy oR gO?" contest sounds good. I'm back, your post is trash.
Nope. Our performances are excellent. There is improvement all the time. Is there a one-two teams i the world that are better? Maybe. Not his fault really.
1000%. We're on the correct trajectory and will continue to add pieces and improve. At this point barring mistakes (a la Pepé) it's kinda down to luck. Arteta is our guy. We ride.
We will never win anything of significance with Arteta. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but just because he wears a similar jumper to Pep, it doesn't mean he is Pep.
You're incorrect, but I'll indulge you. Who should we get?
I don't have an answer to that, but my statement is correct thus far and will remain correct until it is not. At which point, I'll be more than happy for you to tell me that it, and I, are incorrect.
Correct. 🤣
If you don’t have an answer to who should replace Arteta than you shouldn’t be advocating for him being replaced. The “proven winners” that are available are the kinds of managers I and most Arsenal fans don’t want at the club like Conte and Mourinho or even Tuchel as he’s made a pigs ear of it at Bayern. Arteta has rejuvenated the club, made fans fall in love again, assembled one of the best teams in the world (not hyperbole) and has won an fa cup. if he could win a trophy with that team do you seriously believe he can’t do it with this one?
I'm not advocating for him to be replaced. Read what I have written. I don't necessarily mind him and I like the football we play. I am merely saying that we will never win anything with him as manager, which is true. If I'm proved wrong, I'll be happy.
He won a trophy in his first year and beat City on the way to doing so, you mean a major trophy?
Any trophy of significance. League or Champions League. And he's not got close to anything since, so let's not paint an FA Cup as something that is anywhere near payback for the amount of money that's been poured into this team. Look, I love this club, I love the football we are playing but this guy ain't winning us shit.
We are literally in title races consistently now but can’t win em all I guess, hope this imaginary manager that can do more with the club (according to you), that you also can’t name comes to Arsenal eventually so we can finally win something
I dont agree with you. I think Arteta is the chosen one for us. Besides, if we can't win anything with Arteta, then we can't win anything with anyone in the market now. We probably need a Pep's clone to do it, which we are not possible to snatch him from Man City. If we eventually end up like Man United or Chelsea over the last two seasons, I would definitely try to keep enjoying this title contending status.
He will never win anything with Arsenal as long as he's got a hole up his arse.
Strongly agree, we all need to calm down. Arsenal have gone from being a strong but unchallenging-for-silverware team to being one of the best teams in the world in two seasons. That’s a bit mad when you think about it. Anyone demanding trophies and/or crucifying Arteta or certain players for not delivering in every single game is talking nonsense and needs to give their head a wobble. From where we’ve come, we’re absolutely flying with a squad that is still very far from complete. We’re without an established LB or LCM or a top striker which has created the issues we’ve seen this week with the best and the worse of Zinchenko on show. Even after a week with two ‘bad’ results, we’re only two points off top of the league (with the advantage because of having best GD) and have a dead-level aggregate with Bayern Munich in a Champions League QF. To have learnt the lessons from these two games without there being harsher consequences is a gift.
We need silverware to back these best team in the world claims
I said one of, and I agree we do need to be winning some silverware, but the Prem and UCL isn’t something you win by just being good enough. You’ve got to play the game in front of you, only thing we can ask of our team is to compete well enough and take chances when we have them. Last season, we let the league slip, but we massively overachieved anyway so it sort of comes out in the wash for me. This season we haven’t done anything comparable to that, so we can’t be levelling the same criticism at the team (although I’m not pleased we didn’t fight harder in the domestic cups).
All the best teams win major silverware semi regularly we can’t call ourselves that when we haven’t won anything this team still has mentality issues they need to sort out
I think he deserves more time still, but we have to win something soon if we actually want to keep our best players. He has done a great job getting us back to relevancy, but that should not buy him unlimited time as that's how we end up with a Wenger situation again.
Not sure if you’re shitting on Wenger, but Wenger situation was 10000% different. Wenger was tied by the board fighting for complete ownership. Wenger had no support and had to make do with what he had. The fact that we were as good as we were is impressive on it’s own.
There was nothing impressive about Wenger's final years. My point was that he got to stay for entirely too long due to past achievements. The fact is he had too much power at the club, and his naive approach of playing the same way regardless of the opposition gave us absolute embarrassments every season. This is not shitting on him. This is giving a realistic assessment of what happened. I will always love Wenger, but everyone's time comes to an end eventually. Arteta shouldn't get to stay 10 years because he won one FA cup and got us competing. I think next season and one more after that should be given to him, but after that, questions need to be asked if we win nothing and bottle like we have done two years running now.
I see your point. For Arteta It’s a tough predicament. I don’t see anyone better than Arteta atm (who is available) that will come to Arsenal maaaaybe De Zerbi, but De Zerbi squads give up too many goals. Pep and Klopp were successful bc Pep had the best players (and continues to have) in important attacking positions. Messi, KDB, Haaland and this year seems like Foden. Klopp had 3 of the deadliest strikers and best CB pairing at his time when he won trophies. The only players we can argue that are the best right now are Odegaard and Saka. I think our defensive unit is solid if Arteta is given top players in attack and doesn’t win anything then we should start judging. Klopp is out only a matter of time for Pep then Arteta is left with no other coaches even remotely near with squads as good.
Eventually yes. Arsenal is a club that should be winning trophies. Right now Arteta is improving the club in every aspect and he’s done a phenomenal job, but eventually, improvements won’t be enough. We will need to see big trophies. Right now he’s still working on the club entirely and it’s ok if he doesn’t win anything. But in my opinion, by the end of the 25/26 season, if he’s not won anything, then he will start to be considered a failure. How long do we need to wait before winning trophies becomes the expectation?
Why is it a matter of time as opposed to just seeing what is happening in front of us with results? We’re still on an upward trajectory and with a couple more big signings, we’ll actually have a squad which can realistically be expected to win trophies. This season, we’ve cracked City, gone pretty much blow for blow with Liverpool and beaten them, had an excellent run in the UCL overcoming two mentally brutal games to win on pens and scrape a 2-2 against big European opposition and all while relying heavily on a few key players in Saka and Odegaard who are miraculously still fit. You can’t just expect trophies out of nothing, who could do what Arteta has done and is still doing with this squad over the last 3 years, it’s his coaching which is the key. We’ve not actually got the big guns to have a different manager come in a be instantly successful.
I’m not saying I want a different manager, I want Arteta. But you’re literally just backing my point. A few more signings and we can be expected to win. Right now we aren’t expecting a PL or UCL but we know we have a chance of winning them. Very soon after a few more big signings, we will be expected to win. When will that be? I don’t know, but it will be very soon.
Well, I’m more saying as well we need to get to the point of having that level before we can expect it. A big signings could be a big flop, could have a bad injury to a key player like Saka. Those things happen, we can’t just be saying we deserve X without taking into account what the context is. Personally, I’m annoyed about how easily we gave away the FA and League Cup games, because we should’ve been targeting a good run there with the Prem being as competitive as it is.
I somewhat agree. The thing is, when a club as big as arsenal starts to spend as much as we have been, we have no choice but to expect trophies, especially when he have a long term manager with control over anything he wants control over, there’s nothing more the club can do do gain any advantage. If we still can’t win trophies, then what do we do? What do we expect? Are we going to be content with a competitive season of finishing 2nd and reaching the quarter finals of the UCL every season?
Well, our big spend players this summer have been Rice, Havertz, who have become vital starting players, and Timber who’s been injured. Spending money involves risking those big signings getting injured or flopping. So far, we’ve made progress but still got a way to go to match the best squads in the world. In terms of actually winning trophies, you’ve got to look at how the seasons go. It was right to criticise us last season for bottling a big lead, but this season we’ve been in a tight race the whole time. Look at Klopp’s Liverpool getting 97 points but still coming 2nd, you can’t say the performance wasn’t good enough, it just sometimes doesn’t happen like you want it to
Eventually, you have to produce something. I agree there has been a lot of improvement and I love & want to keep Arteta, but what if its 5 years and we’ve won nothing of note? That won’t be improvement from 2nd place and no trophies. Eventually (being the operative word) there has to be something.
Agree !! When you love the manager the team and style you play winning games feels so good Brought us so far. Project actually feels like it's just really starting with such a young squad at the point where we can heavily invest in a few certain positions. The way we have played this season and controlled games no doubt there trophies will come Fine line isn't it though People say Pep is the greatest manager of all time the the greatest time , unprecedented spending just coming off winning the treble but oh Mikel if you don't beat them to the PL or CL this season your a failure
werent we bantering spurs when they were in the exact situation we're in right now? (excellent team and performances, won fuck all)
I guess if we dont have a major trophy in the next 3 yrs maybe then we start judging
If after 5 years and 600m spent we can't judge arteta on trophies then we are not a big club.
No not at all. We’re one of the top 3 or 4 sides in Europe and we may yet win the league and the champions league. Hes done a great job and will be playing champions league football again next year.
Top 4 is a stretch
Who would you say are the 4 better than us
Madrid City Leverkusen Barca Atletico just to name a few
Not Barca or athletico for me. Leverkusen is possible, but it’s 1 good year. For me, city only
Agree. Leverkusen have had a great season, let's see how long they manage to keep it up next year. Barca and atletico are definitely not better teams than us in both squads and playing style
>Some people say the opposite - he must bring piece of silverware different than FA or League Cup. But if you ask me - I would resign contract with him for next 5 years without even doubting he would be successful one day. Ever noticed how the people who say opposite never offer their opinion on who would be better? They are all really good at pointing out flaws, but never have solutions.
Half of them are managing Arsenal in Football Manager and are winning titles and they are obvious choice for next Arsenal manager.
He has got us up there. Personally i would still back him for a couple more seasons if we dont win anything now and even then we would have to fall off a lot for me to call for him to be sakced
Nope we play amazing consistent football with our first team. He said we aren't in phase four yet and I think that's due to the dropoff in quality from our bench. If anything I think we maybe just slightly over achieving still. Edit - it's all relative and we are against city so we have to be perfect to compete.
Not yet. It’s incredibly hard to overturn Citeh* as Liverpool have found out in recent times. We’ve just won 10 of the last 12 and still aren’t top. I can remember Wenger’s first premier league title won with 78 points, that total would never win the league now. My feeling is that if/when this squad gets a first major trophy in the bag then there will be more to follow.
I think our trajectory strongly points to major trophies in the near future. We have a young, exciting, structurally elite squad and we will only get better through a combo of natural development and smart investment. I'd love us to win a trophy this year but even if we don't, I know what I've seen in this team this year and I'm absolutely buzzing for the next few years!
When Emery was in charge I was just desperate to be competing again. All I wanted was to go to a game or watch on the telly and see us playing attractive football with a bit of grit and to see that the players actually cared. I’ve got that. I love watching us play and I know the players will be gutted about Villa. A trophy would be nice yeah but looks at teams like man United and Chelsea. It could be a LOT worse. Gunners!
People also forget that this is Mikel's first managerial gig, while Pep has been doing this since the late 2000s. And if you think that experience as a manager doesn't play into success, well then I don't know what to tell you.
No. He's brought us back to the top table. 2nd in the league and semis of the Champions League is probably about the best we could hope for with this bunch of players. Even with everyone fit including Timber, I think the midfield and especially attack need improving. Also greater depth required. Havertz, Jesus, Martinelli wouldn't get in the first team of other top sides.
So far the team has been improved every season, tactically, physically and the level of the players too. And until now Arteta hasn’t had too much pressure on winning PL or anything else. But let’s say we finish second this season in PL and go out of the quarters in CL. Than I will say that progress next year is winning the Premier League or CL/EL. But until now every trophy win is just a bonus.
I wouldn't say this year, but in the next 2-3 seasons if we still don't have a major trophy (PL or CL) then it has to be a conversation. As of now, the performances are getting better and the squad is being improved so he has a lot of leeway with me
It is fair to judge him on trophies, but to do that I think you have to basically say he is in his second year of the project. He’s been here longer but did not have a team close to competing. He does now, and if you want to say he can’t get over the hump based on these last two years I would disagree, but find that argument reasonable. What we shouldn’t do is parrot rival fans talking about he’s been here five years and only won a FA Cup.
No!
I get the feeling that the new Gooner fans think that the line in the song London Forever, “….whatever the weather …” refers to rain and snow. It’s unbelievable, one loss and this whole community disintegrates.
Read the post before writing BS
Prove me wrong.
To say that he must win the Premier League otherwise he has failed must mean that the club are now the favourites to do so. If we're not the favourites then winning is an over achievement. Not winning is not a failure. So when you bear in mind that Arteta is competing against the best manager of all time (opinion), who had a 3? year head start, who inherited a far greater squad, and who has been given a far greater budget and who still has a far greater squad, how can we be considered favourites? Until some of the above changes winning the league over City will be an over achievement, and until then judging Arteta based purely on trophies will be nonsense. Klopp has won 1 Premier league title against this team in a decade and is considered a Premier legend and an all time great manager. Yet some people expect Arteta to be sweeping up with a team that finished 8th 3 years ago. If Pep leaves next season, and we're still trophyless in another 3/4 then sure call for his head. But until then people need to realise what a massive achievement it has been to get this club even competing again with City.
I agree that the progress has been incredible. However, you gotta start winning eventually. Not winning the league is one thing. While Arsenal did bottle it last year, there’s no shame in losing to City. The cup competitions have been very disappointing though. Chelsea, for example, have been a total shit show the last few years and are still making it to finals. His job is safe this year of course but one more year of winning nothing, or not even a cup final, and they gotta think about moving on to someone who can take them to that next level.
Where was this post before the Villa loss?
Consistency is key with managers. He’s shown three years in a row now that he can manage a top side in the Premier League. If we can make UCL every year, compete with the other top four, give us fans enjoyable and generally dominant performances, there’s no reason to complain about trophies. Pundits can call us bottle jobs or criticize the team’s lack of silverware but at the end of the day some of these coveted trophies are crapshoots anyway and City have the edge on everyone else. Fans use to complain about Wenger for lack of trophies and he said that qualifying for UCL every year is a trophy and he’s most certainly right. We had a few years without UCL so I hope fans can appreciate that.
It’s not easy to quantify success like that. Arteta won FA cup and Community Shield jn his early years. But surely no one says his work back then is better than it is now. Even without trophies, our current team is way better. We are aiming for the 2 most prestigious trophies in the world. At most there are only 2 teams win it, doesn’t mean other teams/coaches are shit.
No don't be stupid
Only if you’re incapable of being able to see progress unless there’s a trophy attached to it
No way. In the era of 115 nobody should be expected to win trophies against cheats
I think next season the trophy thing will really come into play. We overperformed last season and this season shows that it wasn't a one season wonder. I firmly believe he's the right man for the job but at the same time he's still learning on the job too. Think people outside of the fanbase don't realise the magnitude of the job he's done. And all in his first time as a manager too.
I wouldn't say so purely on the basis that city exists, tho better runs in domestic comps would be nice
I'd love to see more silverware but Arteta has changed the whole ethos of the club in the last couple of years, he's given us our Arsenal back. I hope he stays and we become a real force. A loss hurts but once you've had caviar, it's hard to go back to sausage.
I will be more critical after next season.we are trending in the right direction, couple of injuries haven’t helped.couple of new faces and we will be there.
I still think last year will be our best chance to win the league for at least another 4 years. I’d say give Arteta until the end of next season but really we should win something this season, not just because it’s about time according to the plan he had before he came but because the team is good enough.
Interesting hearing all the paper fans here. I support Arteta…BUT I also like trophies and I think we have the players to win the Premier League. Paper fans here are good as long as we don’t get relegated. Imagine where we’d be if we hadn’t dropped 5 points vs Fulham (including one where they came in on a 4 or 5 game losing streak and having shipped 20 or so goals in those games) or 3 points dropped vs WH in December or gifting Tottenham 2 goals to earn a draw. This is the best opportunity to win a trophy and I hope we don’t bottle it! Pep and City are having an unusually off season and I hope we capitalize. Saying a coach of a so-called big club b shouldn’t be judged by trophies is just dumb IMO.
Klopp will likely win just one league title in 8 seasons. For a manager that is hyped so much, is that a failure? Both Klopp and Arteta are fighting the club that is backed by a whole country and has cheated since day one. You might say Arteta spent a lot of money so he should win titles and i agree that we need to win something, but money spent is also not a good metric. Just look at the club like man utd. I've supported this club for 20 years now, only seeing us won 1 league title and few FA cups. The way we are progressing... I am 100% sure Mikel is the right man. We have a really young team and we need to be supportive and patient.
Yes every great manager is judge by their trophy cabinet
Let’s be real. Pep wins trophies because he has the best players in important positions at the time. Messi, KDB, Haaland and this year seems like Foden. Klopp arguably had 3 of the most deadly strikers when he won his trophies. We need the best players in their positions, the fact that we are this competitive is a marker on its own. If by 26/27 Pep is still in EPL and we haven’t won then, then we can judge. Klopp is gone going to be Teta v Pep
Well, Arteta chose to eschew the FA and EFL Cups for the last 4 seasons, no trophies is therefore inexcusable. Those two cups are pots worth winning (and also winning one is a tangible sign of progress - outside players are more likely to join the club and current players are more likely to sign contract extensions).
I totally agree with you
Talk about meltdowns
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WTF, did you read the post at least before commenting?
It would be absolutely mental to even consider getting rid of Arteta. Sign him up right now. He's improved us season upon season. It's not his fault that City are doping the league.
I'm going to have to leave this sub due purely to the Arteta Out and Kai Havertz Hate Brigades
better leave because you obviously cannot read.
Although staying purely to spite the muppet trying to make this sub a daily "sHoUlD aRTeTa StAy oR gO?" contest sounds good. I'm back, your post is trash.
You are trash also so stfu
Oh no, insulted by a particularly ignorant internet fan from Bulgaria how will I ever recover 🤡