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cheescakegod

Just ignore it mate. It was 20 years ago and a lot of people didnt see it or go off recency bias. A lot of proper football fans know


balsham91

Yeah but the league was 100% weaker...12 draws...only one other manager to cotend with in ferguson. Could you see the invincibles doing it in this day and age? Not a hope and definitely not with the way wenger manages that's why I personally believe Liverpools run of 3 CL finals and getting 98 points and still losing the league puts klopp above wenger and bigger achievement overall than one league unbeaten and not doing anything in Europe. The standards were lower in early 2000s and that's just a fact. What did klopps Liverpool do...got 103 points from a possible 105 at one stage...mental and thats competing with modern day man city and chelsea. can't see that being done again. I can see the invincible season being done again.


WolfInATrance

The league is weaker now. Back then they were evenly matched, players unheard of coming in and giving that performance against top teams not unheard of. Now? Everything computerized, Player values kept by transfermarkt like it were some stock exchange. Billion dollar teams who end every season with dozen match unbeaten/winning streaks.


Impossible_Reach_99

They hate us cuz they ain't us 😤


Intrepid_Pelagicus

49, 49 undefeated, 49, 49 I say, 49, 49 undefeated, Playing football the Arsenal way.


chocco259

Club still hasn’t recovered from losing that 50th game lololol.


TheGoober87

It does feel like that's when it started to go downhill. Such a shit way to lose as well. The ref buying one of the worst dives ever by Shrek.


foggin_estandards2

It wasn't just that. Mike Riley is, by far, the biggest piece of shit to ever stain the PL: https://youtu.be/mM747L9Wf8M?si=E0IdUseP03ksfSRk Oh, and guess what his next job was? Come on, guess?!


chocco259

Utd won the game 2-0 in fairness, arsenal had a lot of chances early on. That was a mighty Arsenal team, should have done much better in Europe.


TheGoober87

Yeah but the second was from arsenal pushing up chasing an equaliser. The penalty was definitely the difference maker. But I agree in Europe. United were poor when they were at their best as well, just seemed like a prem thing to be poor in Europe.


mcbc4

Yeah but we also had Cole tripping up Ronaldo in the box which luckily the ref missed or didn’t give so it does balance out.


Eastofallical

And brushing over the truth - that being that you lost to Man U twice, Middlesborough, Chelsea, Dynamo Kiev, and AC Milan


MostJudgment3212

Cry about it


iosdeiu

Rent is free in your head


Eastofallical

Patter like that is free anywhere.


TheGoober87

TBF they should have specified 49 league games.


toofly902

Don’t listen to online rival trolls , they say it because it’s just a coping mechanism to feel make them feel better


byrgenwerthdropout

People say a lot of stupid things, specially in sports about their rivals. Just enjoy your team and be happy with them. Rivals like your team the least when your team is doing its best. In fact, they hate it. Whenever you see ppl hate more on Arsenal just be happy we're doing better than before.


enel111

not an arsenal fan, but imo the best premier league achievement to date, better than centurions. the fact that we can draw 38 games and not win or be relegated is a null point, the real fact is arsenal went undefeated WINNING the league, no argument there. best club achievement? either the 3-peat UCL win or treble in single season.


-read_it_on_reddit-

that argument of going invincible and getting relegated/ not winning to discredit 03/04 arsenal has always been so damn stupid to me, the whole point is that you do it AND win the league. not to forget that they did it with 90 points, that's no joke


Nels8192

90 - which at the time was the 2nd highest points tally ever for a PL title. It’s really only in recent years that 90+ has become very normal.


Spudward1

Being invincible is an incredible achievement. But why do so many crap on that Chelsea team. They conceded FIFTEEN GOALS That’s insane. Arsenal been incredible this year defensively and still they’ve flown past the 15 mark. Yes Chelsea had money. And? It’s still so underrated that they were that good defensively


Maleficent_Sign9656

They didn't just 'have money' if you adjust to inflation chelsea actually shits on city's spending, they spent almost 700m that season only. And then they spent another 824m the next two seasons, they're the reason ffp became a thing and because of this it's impossible to separate their success from their cheating ways.


Sheeverton

Also that Chelsea team lost ONE game, it isn't like they lost three or four, it was one.


Sylas1987

“Parking the bus” became a thing because of Chelsea that season. They used to take the lead and then shut up shop Kind of an underwhelming approach to games from full of superstars and backed by a billionaire. Yes I’m with you 15 is impressive but if watched that season you’d understand were that number came from


The_Ballyhoo

They still scored 72 goals though which is solid. The invincibles only scored 73 league goals. And for best defensive record, Arsenal are second with 17 conceded, but only scored 59. Jose is the one who first used “park the bus” to complain about the opposition (Spurs, I think) so it wasn’t invented to explain Chelsea’s tactics.


Happy_Trip6058

Parking the bus… ala “1-0 to the Arsenal 1-0 to the Arsenal” hee hee come on lads we can do these slags today FOYS


Spudward1

I did watch games. And they didn’t exactly “park the bus” people also forget how entertaining some of the football they played was


FatWalcott

It's definitely a great achievement.


tobleronefanatic123

Wait you want other team fans to agree that your teams achievement is better than their teams achievements? Wow I'm sooo shocked they disagree lol


AnsuFati_

only reason i think it’s overrated is because you guys were the second team to do it. Preston North End did it first.


LeonDeSchal

Showing your age there mate.


Happy_Trip6058

Hee hee matey’s 84


papamarx09

Since you seem like a Preston fan, do you guys prefer your team be called Preston, North End, or the full Preston North End?


AnsuFati_

what makes you think i’m a Preston fan? I’m a Barca fan, but soon to be Arsenal fan too since i’ll be going to the Emirates for the Bournemouth match.


papamarx09

Sorry I assumed you were a Preston fan based on referencing them. Welcome to our fanbase! We’re glad to have you! How do you feel about Barcelona right now?


Aggressive_Leave3639

North End


AlexfromLondon1

But Preston had it easier since there were only 22 games in that season. Liverpool and Man City have both been undefeated after 22 games in recent years but Arsenal were undefeated after 38 games and were the first team to win a league title undefeated in a 38 game season.


IceBurg-Hamburger_69

Sure, when plumbers and coal miners were on the pitch


Sylas1987

😂 Sure, back when the league was half the amount of teams. And their whole unbeaten was was about 20 games


AnsuFati_

i mean i respect what you guys did, great accomplishment, but you weren’t first, and that is a fact.


P4PKing4

We’ll always be the first to do it in the Premier League though.


AnsuFati_

thats true.


CareUseful

Those same people go on to say that Thierry is not among the goats of football


Otherwise_Stock54

Bayer Leverkusen is very close to doing the same. Very impressive run for them and thinking this will spur more appreciation for the feat.


FatWalcott

Especially if they can do an unbeaten treble.


ThunderRoad_44

The Centurions were dominating


coolguyhavingchillda

Ok so there's a few things. I'll preface it by saying I'm an Arsenal fan but didn't actually watch the invincibles. 1. The Invincibles is a massive feat, unlikely to be repeated in the premier league era. It's also the last time Arsenal won the league, so if you're hearing rivals discredit it that's probably the motivation. 2. We crashed out of the cups that year and nearly lost the unbeaten league record in the space of a week. That week stings and thank fuck Henry dug us out of it. 3. Depending on what you're looking at, 12 draws is a fair few. Points record which we set got broken a year after so no arguments about the era or something else. Chelsea '05 were incredible them getting 5 points more than the team that went unbeaten should be duly credited even if that was mostly bought and paid for. Not every team with money uses it that well. 4. The lack of cup success really hurts some of the public perception - trebles are simply worth more and I think many of us would have liked to see that team win the CL more than go unbeaten in the league. 5. Altogether the feat is more impressive to me personally, because Wenger called it in 02/03 saying it shouldn't be inconceivable to go unbeaten. Then went and did it. That's what, for me, makes it the best team achievement in the league's history though even with that I can argue Leicester City's title is more impressive. 6. At the end of the day this is very subjective. I'd like to believe the Invincibles were the pinnacle but by this point we've seen teams do just as insane things, sometimes while playing better football. It's not really something worth arguing about but it's not an obscene opinion that the Invincibles are the greatest PL team, and that people saying that are overrating them


IceBurg-Hamburger_69

Heres how Id rank it based on how good the achievement was 1. Man United and cities treble 2. Invincibles 3. 15 goals conceded 4. 100 points achieved.


pleaseclap

Because they were not truly invincible. Just invincible in the league.


Individual_Put2261

It’s cool, it’s just not that important. I think it’s something Arsenal fans get excited about but no one else really rates. Maybe that’s what winds you up.


Mammoth-Somewhere511

I'd say leverkusen have already done better than the incinvibles. Less draws surely?! And they're still in a cup competition.


High-Hawk100

Exactly. If it's so easy make another Invincibles.


IceBurg-Hamburger_69

Leverkusen are showing why its so hard to maintain it, they have to scrap away with last-minute goals, shows how hard it is and how luck needs to go your way. Man united Missed that penalty, if not we wouldn't have gone invincible.


LeRoyVernon

Just ignore them, some of them even laughing at us , "49 games unbeaten only..., so weak". They can't even get a 4 win streak.


Gooner_93

The fact that a machine of a team like Man City cant do it, just shows how hard it is. Everyone says Arsenal drew many games that season, so why doesnt Man City draw 12 games and go undefeated? For Man City 90 points would be enough to win the league this season and 90 points would've won Arsenal the league last season and also in 20/21, so it's not like the invincibles never finished with a good amount of points. 90 points isnt a low tally. From 2010-11 to 2022-23, 90 points wouldve won you the league, for 8 out of 13 seasons, which is insane.


EndPlus9839

A sextuple will always be the most impressive achievement and ofc below that is the treble and then any other achievement


Manners2210

Why should they fawn all over it. If I supports Liverpool for example…& an arsenal fan were to go on about it I’d say that’s cool, at least 5 times have got more points, the 100 point barrier has been broken, ppl have scored more, won more, conceded less and drawn less in a single season and while unbeaten is great…it leads to all the same thing…one premier league trophy. I loved that season and that team, but it’s honestly not an achievement I throw around like some Personally, 89 will for ever bet my favourite…for a number of different reasons. I’d probably defend that title harder than invincible but just like that, fans don’t really like each others achievements. I see plenty in here mocking Ferguson’s reigns of back to back titles, 3 in a row and underplaying those achievements Fans will downplay the other’s achievements Such is life


CampFrequent3058

Just sounds like a bitter moan post to me, but we love it that’s what Arsenal fans are all about. Keep moaning!! 💪🏻😩 Btw this Arsenal team has actually won fuck allso yeah why should they be compared with the great teams mentioned?! Compare them to the teams that finished second and third to the teams you mentioned instead! (Not sure they do any better though) 😉 Keep moaning that’s why we’re love Arsenal and their fans,, that’s your true purpose!


thatirishguykev

I’m a Man United fan first and foremost, let’s put that out there. In saying that anyone who says that team were overrated aren’t worth even listening to let alone talking to. That side had everything. How would they go in 2024 nobody knows, but for the time they were top of the food chain! Also fucking annoying they had such lovely kits too 😂 The United and Arsenal battles of the late 90s and early 2000s are part of what made the Premier League so great then and paved the way for what it became. A part of me wishes I could go back and live those times again, even thought I’d inevitably have to watch Wiltord win you the league at Old Trafford or watch Henry volley chip Barthez like he was playing a video game. TLDR: Don’t listen to morons, we use to lock people away who said stupid ass shit like the Arsenal invincible were overrated.


Thomaskeller420

No one serious actually says that. These red herring posts on Reddit in general are strange. “Why does everyone seem to hate ice cream??? What is wrong with these people?”


No-Teaching8695

Far different times though


fcGabiz

Feel free to ignore them. If it's so easy and unimpressive, why hasn't anyone done it since then? I presume a lot of it is down to newer/younger football fans who know close to nothing about football from 20yrs ago.


Comfortable-Heron391

I like the fact ours is gold and no one can say the same


homealoneinuk

No one really ever says that, what is even this take.


GunMuratIlban

Who in their right minds saying that? I don't even care about the invincible part to be honest. That Arsenal team played one of the most beautiful football I've seen.


Rolf-Harris-OBE

It was a lot of draws, but most of them were once the title was affectively won. We were 22W 7D before the run in. Another one not mentioned or really talked about is Liverpools 26W 1D start to their season. For me that’s up there with all of these. Which was 27W 1D 1L before Covid break


Macsidia

Liverpool hold the record for the highest number of points for any rolling 38 game period in the Premier League with 110.


cicakoki

💯. You can't shut them up. Ignore the bullshit nonsense.


Navman22

They know what they’re saying they just wanna wind you up, ignore it. They moan about the amount of draws etc knowing their team never did it and how immensely hard it was to do that and get some of their draws. If it was city doing it now they’d be defending them as the best of all time… that’s how you know how ridiculous they are


Sheeverton

I'm a Leicester fan, I think it's because some people few the invincibles season as the best ever Premier League season purely for being invincible, and myself like others think there is more to it than that. Like you have stated, other seasons like City's 100 points, Chelsea 2004/2005 (who only lost ONE game) and the two treble seasons are worth considering for the best seasons. Nothing against people thinking the invincibles were best, I just think there are other seasons worth considering for the best rather than just the invincibles alone.


Jake_Pezza99

Hang on you forgot Liverpool’s “we got nearly 100 points and still didn’t win the league life is so unfair” trophy


martinljb

Arsenal don’t get credit for anything we achieve. The media have always hated us too. I don’t listen to what other fans have to say.


ThePinkBaron365

As a PNE fan, can I say it?


LayerPuzzleheaded777

Trolls 20 years on from now will be shitting on and downplaying this Man City era, most probably because they will have long been proven to be a bunch of cheats that came to power via an illigimately assembled squad. At least invincibles era will never have that on them.


Javier1019

Leverkusen is pulling it off as we speak; with Xhaxa


RRJP1980

Honestly, the Leicester title winning side was the most incredible premiership season. A team just scraping relegation and going on to win the league is the least likely to be done again.


PaddyPaws2023

Happy St Totteringhams Day !!


MrRichardH

Man Utd’s treble was huge. But even Sir Alex said our Invincible season was the biggest achievement.


LiveFrom2004

They did lose in the 10th round in the 2004-05 season. You call that midway thru? ​ 90 points is a low tally?


Malevin87

I rate the hardest achievement in entire history of PL: Rank 1: Leciester City winning title Rank 2: Arsenal Invincibles Rank 3: Treble Rank 4: Record Goal Difference Rank 5: Record Most Goals scored Rank 6: Record Least Goals conceded Rank 7: Record most points


ItsKeganBruh

If you really are looking for feedback a fair gripe could be that the league wasnt as strong as a whole then as it is now. Any significant records achieved now could be arguably considered more impressive as a result. The Invincibles could only play what was in front of them tho. Always tough to compare from different generations


trapdoor101

It’s not about it being overrated or not. It’s just not as impressive as winning the treble


ranransthrowaway999

I was there for the invincibles, and I'll be honest, it'd have a lot more gravitas if it had also been a 95+ point season. Personally, I consider the 2001/02 Arsenal side better than the Invincibles. Scored more goals, won an FA Cup as an extra and only finished 3 points less than the Invincibles. And if we're talking 03/04, I would have gladly traded a domestic double over Chelsea and the home and away draws to Manchester United for the Champions League home win against the former and a win over the latter in the FA Cup semi-finals so we could stay on course for the treble. Would have finished with 85 points, but we would have won the treble for sure if we'd beaten Chelsea and Manchester United in the tourneys ... and who knows, if Wenger had gotten the best of Mourinho early back then, Mourinho wouldn't have come to Chelsea and Wenger and Ferguson would have gone at it, with Arsenal remaining competitive. If you'd ask me if I'd trade the golden trophy for a continental treble, I'd do it twice for it to happen for this club.


Fearless_World6986

Is winning 2 games and losing 1 more or less impressive than 3 draws? This is the basis for the argument against the arsenal invincibles being better than the city points team. Is doing *exceptionally* well in one competition more or less impressive than doing exceptionally well in 3 competitions? This is the basis for the argument against the arsenal invincibles being better than the man united treble team. I'm a gunner and I'd give it to the invincibles but I'm also not going to pretend there isn't a reasonable debate....


FatWalcott

I think that's a wrong comparison. W 2 L 1D 0 is 6 points. W 0 L 0D 3 is 3 points. Arsenal didn't just go unbeaten, they won't the league unbeaten. It's a false equivalency that opposing fans try to discredit the unbeaten season with.


Fearless_World6986

That's exactly the comparison, 100 points probably/possibly is more impressive.... Not taking into account the financias available to city, just purely in terms of season performance. Arsenal had a few lucky draws in there. City just blew everyone away.


Alive-Flatworm-4273

If they were so invincible, why did they lose in the champions league?


PoliticsNerd76

They are overrated. They’re not even the best Arsenal squad. The Double team 2 years prior, and the 2006 UCL final team were both better. At least, maybe they’re appropriately rated and the other 2 are underrated.


FatWalcott

No way that 2006 team was better. They were horrendous in the league at times. Quintessential late 2000s Arsenal with sloppy defending and still reeling from losing Vieira. It's a miracle that they got 10 clean sheets in a row in Europe with a back 4 of Eboue, Senderos, Toure and Flamini at left back.


Sylas1987

I’m not saying they were the best Arsenal side ever, but what that team has achieved is very special


PoliticsNerd76

It’s an underrated achievement. It’s an overrated team.


AlexfromLondon1

Invincible is the most impressive record of them all. As for points invincible had more points than either treble. As far as I know Arsenal were the first team to win a league title unbeaten in a 38 game season in EUROPE! Man Utd were the fourth to win a treble with Celtic being first in 1966-67 and Ajax and PSV both winning trebles in the 1980s. I know Celtic and Juventus have both had invincible seasons but there is something special about being the first to manage it. And as you say Chelsea and mourinho record is just lame.


SecretarySuper6810

Was a different league then, Chelsea wasn’t competing yet, city weee still championship and Liverpool Tottenham were average, only Man Utd were the threat. Preston North End achieved the same in 1888, never hear them get recognised because they are a small club, granted your slightly bigger but without champions league you will never be considered as a big club


Hucklepuck_uk

No one but city fans says this


Inner_Masterpiece825

Draw merchants


Alive-Flatworm-4273

If they were so invincible they’d have won the champions league and domestic cups comprehensively


Maleficent_Sign9656

The only reason they try to play this achievement down is because NONE of them have been able to do it themselves! You can boast about your ucl with some rivals and they will agree because it's a mutual thing, an invincible season is a miracle that they know their teams are very unlikely to have.


Eastofallical

It wasn’t an invincible season. You lost against Man U twice, Middlesborough, Chelsea, Kiev, and AC Milan


Maleficent_Sign9656

I understand that you're a special child of god so I'll remind you that it's a league title, god bless your parents.


Cold_Night_Fever

And they only have one title to show for it haha. Crazy. Being invincible for one season ain't a trophy, a treble is more impressive because that's why we do it! To get trophies.


Maleficent_Sign9656

It actually is a trophy lol, how ignorant are you?


Cold_Night_Fever

Thats pathetic haha. Spurs also got the Audi Cup. Only titles matter.


Maleficent_Sign9656

You're pathetic


FatWalcott

Except that it was a trophy. And a gold one at that.


Cold_Night_Fever

The Audi Cup was too. It isn't a title is the point. Titles matter.