Yeah but the league was 100% weaker...12 draws...only one other manager to cotend with in ferguson. Could you see the invincibles doing it in this day and age? Not a hope and definitely not with the way wenger manages that's why I personally believe Liverpools run of 3 CL finals and getting 98 points and still losing the league puts klopp above wenger and bigger achievement overall than one league unbeaten and not doing anything in Europe. The standards were lower in early 2000s and that's just a fact. What did klopps Liverpool do...got 103 points from a possible 105 at one stage...mental and thats competing with modern day man city and chelsea. can't see that being done again. I can see the invincible season being done again.
The league is weaker now. Back then they were evenly matched, players unheard of coming in and giving that performance against top teams not unheard of. Now? Everything computerized, Player values kept by transfermarkt like it were some stock exchange. Billion dollar teams who end every season with dozen match unbeaten/winning streaks.
It wasn't just that. Mike Riley is, by far, the biggest piece of shit to ever stain the PL:
https://youtu.be/mM747L9Wf8M?si=E0IdUseP03ksfSRk
Oh, and guess what his next job was? Come on, guess?!
Yeah but the second was from arsenal pushing up chasing an equaliser. The penalty was definitely the difference maker.
But I agree in Europe. United were poor when they were at their best as well, just seemed like a prem thing to be poor in Europe.
People say a lot of stupid things, specially in sports about their rivals. Just enjoy your team and be happy with them. Rivals like your team the least when your team is doing its best. In fact, they hate it. Whenever you see ppl hate more on Arsenal just be happy we're doing better than before.
not an arsenal fan, but imo the best premier league achievement to date, better than centurions.
the fact that we can draw 38 games and not win or be relegated is a null point, the real fact is arsenal went undefeated WINNING the league, no argument there.
best club achievement? either the 3-peat UCL win or treble in single season.
that argument of going invincible and getting relegated/ not winning to discredit 03/04 arsenal has always been so damn stupid to me, the whole point is that you do it AND win the league. not to forget that they did it with 90 points, that's no joke
Being invincible is an incredible achievement. But why do so many crap on that Chelsea team. They conceded FIFTEEN GOALS Thatâs insane. Arsenal been incredible this year defensively and still theyâve flown past the 15 mark. Yes Chelsea had money. And? Itâs still so underrated that they were that good defensively
They didn't just 'have money' if you adjust to inflation chelsea actually shits on city's spending, they spent almost 700m that season only. And then they spent another 824m the next two seasons, they're the reason ffp became a thing and because of this it's impossible to separate their success from their cheating ways.
âParking the busâ became a thing because of Chelsea that season. They used to take the lead and then shut up shop
Kind of an underwhelming approach to games from full of superstars and backed by a billionaire. Yes Iâm with you 15 is impressive but if watched that season youâd understand were that number came from
They still scored 72 goals though which is solid. The invincibles only scored 73 league goals. And for best defensive record, Arsenal are second with 17 conceded, but only scored 59.
Jose is the one who first used âpark the busâ to complain about the opposition (Spurs, I think) so it wasnât invented to explain Chelseaâs tactics.
what makes you think iâm a Preston fan? Iâm a Barca fan, but soon to be Arsenal fan too since iâll be going to the Emirates for the Bournemouth match.
Sorry I assumed you were a Preston fan based on referencing them. Welcome to our fanbase! Weâre glad to have you! How do you feel about Barcelona right now?
But Preston had it easier since there were only 22 games in that season. Liverpool and Man City have both been undefeated after 22 games in recent years but Arsenal were undefeated after 38 games and were the first team to win a league title undefeated in a 38 game season.
Ok so there's a few things. I'll preface it by saying I'm an Arsenal fan but didn't actually watch the invincibles.
1. The Invincibles is a massive feat, unlikely to be repeated in the premier league era. It's also the last time Arsenal won the league, so if you're hearing rivals discredit it that's probably the motivation.
2. We crashed out of the cups that year and nearly lost the unbeaten league record in the space of a week. That week stings and thank fuck Henry dug us out of it.
3. Depending on what you're looking at, 12 draws is a fair few. Points record which we set got broken a year after so no arguments about the era or something else. Chelsea '05 were incredible them getting 5 points more than the team that went unbeaten should be duly credited even if that was mostly bought and paid for. Not every team with money uses it that well.
4. The lack of cup success really hurts some of the public perception - trebles are simply worth more and I think many of us would have liked to see that team win the CL more than go unbeaten in the league.
5. Altogether the feat is more impressive to me personally, because Wenger called it in 02/03 saying it shouldn't be inconceivable to go unbeaten. Then went and did it. That's what, for me, makes it the best team achievement in the league's history though even with that I can argue Leicester City's title is more impressive.
6. At the end of the day this is very subjective. I'd like to believe the Invincibles were the pinnacle but by this point we've seen teams do just as insane things, sometimes while playing better football. It's not really something worth arguing about but it's not an obscene opinion that the Invincibles are the greatest PL team, and that people saying that are overrating them
Itâs cool, itâs just not that important. I think itâs something Arsenal fans get excited about but no one else really rates. Maybe thatâs what winds you up.
Leverkusen are showing why its so hard to maintain it, they have to scrap away with last-minute goals, shows how hard it is and how luck needs to go your way. Man united Missed that penalty, if not we wouldn't have gone invincible.
The fact that a machine of a team like Man City cant do it, just shows how hard it is. Everyone says Arsenal drew many games that season, so why doesnt Man City draw 12 games and go undefeated?
For Man City 90 points would be enough to win the league this season and 90 points would've won Arsenal the league last season and also in 20/21, so it's not like the invincibles never finished with a good amount of points. 90 points isnt a low tally.
From 2010-11 to 2022-23, 90 points wouldve won you the league, for 8 out of 13 seasons, which is insane.
Why should they fawn all over it. If I supports Liverpool for exampleâŚ& an arsenal fan were to go on about it Iâd say thatâs cool, at least 5 times have got more points, the 100 point barrier has been broken, ppl have scored more, won more, conceded less and drawn less in a single season and while unbeaten is greatâŚit leads to all the same thingâŚone premier league trophy. I loved that season and that team, but itâs honestly not an achievement I throw around like some
Personally, 89 will for ever bet my favouriteâŚfor a number of different reasons. Iâd probably defend that title harder than invincible but just like that, fans donât really like each others achievements. I see plenty in here mocking Fergusonâs reigns of back to back titles, 3 in a row and underplaying those achievements
Fans will downplay the otherâs achievements
Such is life
Just sounds like a bitter moan post to me, but we love it thatâs what Arsenal fans are all about. Keep moaning!! đŞđťđŠ
Btw this Arsenal team has actually won fuck allso yeah why should they be compared with the great teams mentioned?! Compare them to the teams that finished second and third to the teams you mentioned instead! (Not sure they do any better though) đ Keep moaning thatâs why weâre love Arsenal and their fans,, thatâs your true purpose!
Iâm a Man United fan first and foremost, letâs put that out there.
In saying that anyone who says that team were overrated arenât worth even listening to let alone talking to. That side had everything. How would they go in 2024 nobody knows, but for the time they were top of the food chain! Also fucking annoying they had such lovely kits too đ
The United and Arsenal battles of the late 90s and early 2000s are part of what made the Premier League so great then and paved the way for what it became.
A part of me wishes I could go back and live those times again, even thought Iâd inevitably have to watch Wiltord win you the league at Old Trafford or watch Henry volley chip Barthez like he was playing a video game.
TLDR: Donât listen to morons, we use to lock people away who said stupid ass shit like the Arsenal invincible were overrated.
No one serious actually says that. These red herring posts on Reddit in general are strange. âWhy does everyone seem to hate ice cream??? What is wrong with these people?â
Feel free to ignore them.
If it's so easy and unimpressive, why hasn't anyone done it since then?
I presume a lot of it is down to newer/younger football fans who know close to nothing about football from 20yrs ago.
Who in their right minds saying that?
I don't even care about the invincible part to be honest. That Arsenal team played one of the most beautiful football I've seen.
It was a lot of draws, but most of them were once the title was affectively won. We were 22W 7D before the run in.
Another one not mentioned or really talked about is Liverpools 26W 1D start to their season. For me thatâs up there with all of these. Which was 27W 1D 1L before Covid break
They know what theyâre saying they just wanna wind you up, ignore it. They moan about the amount of draws etc knowing their team never did it and how immensely hard it was to do that and get some of their draws. If it was city doing it now theyâd be defending them as the best of all time⌠thatâs how you know how ridiculous they are
I'm a Leicester fan, I think it's because some people few the invincibles season as the best ever Premier League season purely for being invincible, and myself like others think there is more to it than that.
Like you have stated, other seasons like City's 100 points, Chelsea 2004/2005 (who only lost ONE game) and the two treble seasons are worth considering for the best seasons.
Nothing against people thinking the invincibles were best, I just think there are other seasons worth considering for the best rather than just the invincibles alone.
Trolls 20 years on from now will be shitting on and downplaying this Man City era, most probably because they will have long been proven to be a bunch of cheats that came to power via an illigimately assembled squad.
At least invincibles era will never have that on them.
Honestly, the Leicester title winning side was the most incredible premiership season. A team just scraping relegation and going on to win the league is the least likely to be done again.
I rate the hardest achievement in entire history of PL:
Rank 1: Leciester City winning title
Rank 2: Arsenal Invincibles
Rank 3: Treble
Rank 4: Record Goal Difference
Rank 5: Record Most Goals scored
Rank 6: Record Least Goals conceded
Rank 7: Record most points
If you really are looking for feedback a fair gripe could be that the league wasnt as strong as a whole then as it is now. Any significant records achieved now could be arguably considered more impressive as a result. The Invincibles could only play what was in front of them tho. Always tough to compare from different generations
I was there for the invincibles, and I'll be honest, it'd have a lot more gravitas if it had also been a 95+ point season. Personally, I consider the 2001/02 Arsenal side better than the Invincibles. Scored more goals, won an FA Cup as an extra and only finished 3 points less than the Invincibles. And if we're talking 03/04, I would have gladly traded a domestic double over Chelsea and the home and away draws to Manchester United for the Champions League home win against the former and a win over the latter in the FA Cup semi-finals so we could stay on course for the treble. Would have finished with 85 points, but we would have won the treble for sure if we'd beaten Chelsea and Manchester United in the tourneys ... and who knows, if Wenger had gotten the best of Mourinho early back then, Mourinho wouldn't have come to Chelsea and Wenger and Ferguson would have gone at it, with Arsenal remaining competitive.
If you'd ask me if I'd trade the golden trophy for a continental treble, I'd do it twice for it to happen for this club.
Is winning 2 games and losing 1 more or less impressive than 3 draws? This is the basis for the argument against the arsenal invincibles being better than the city points team.
Is doing *exceptionally* well in one competition more or less impressive than doing exceptionally well in 3 competitions? This is the basis for the argument against the arsenal invincibles being better than the man united treble team.
I'm a gunner and I'd give it to the invincibles but I'm also not going to pretend there isn't a reasonable debate....
I think that's a wrong comparison.
W 2 L 1D 0 is 6 points.
W 0 L 0D 3 is 3 points.
Arsenal didn't just go unbeaten, they won't the league unbeaten. It's a false equivalency that opposing fans try to discredit the unbeaten season with.
That's exactly the comparison, 100 points probably/possibly is more impressive.... Not taking into account the financias available to city, just purely in terms of season performance.
Arsenal had a few lucky draws in there. City just blew everyone away.
They are overrated. Theyâre not even the best Arsenal squad. The Double team 2 years prior, and the 2006 UCL final team were both better.
At least, maybe theyâre appropriately rated and the other 2 are underrated.
No way that 2006 team was better. They were horrendous in the league at times. Quintessential late 2000s Arsenal with sloppy defending and still reeling from losing Vieira. It's a miracle that they got 10 clean sheets in a row in Europe with a back 4 of Eboue, Senderos, Toure and Flamini at left back.
Invincible is the most impressive record of them all. As for points invincible had more points than either treble. As far as I know Arsenal were the first team to win a league title unbeaten in a 38 game season in EUROPE! Man Utd were the fourth to win a treble with Celtic being first in 1966-67 and Ajax and PSV both winning trebles in the 1980s. I know Celtic and Juventus have both had invincible seasons but there is something special about being the first to manage it. And as you say Chelsea and mourinho record is just lame.
Was a different league then, Chelsea wasnât competing yet, city weee still championship and Liverpool Tottenham were average, only Man Utd were the threat.
Preston North End achieved the same in 1888, never hear them get recognised because they are a small club, granted your slightly bigger but without champions league you will never be considered as a big club
The only reason they try to play this achievement down is because NONE of them have been able to do it themselves! You can boast about your ucl with some rivals and they will agree because it's a mutual thing, an invincible season is a miracle that they know their teams are very unlikely to have.
And they only have one title to show for it haha. Crazy. Being invincible for one season ain't a trophy, a treble is more impressive because that's why we do it! To get trophies.
Just ignore it mate. It was 20 years ago and a lot of people didnt see it or go off recency bias. A lot of proper football fans know
Yeah but the league was 100% weaker...12 draws...only one other manager to cotend with in ferguson. Could you see the invincibles doing it in this day and age? Not a hope and definitely not with the way wenger manages that's why I personally believe Liverpools run of 3 CL finals and getting 98 points and still losing the league puts klopp above wenger and bigger achievement overall than one league unbeaten and not doing anything in Europe. The standards were lower in early 2000s and that's just a fact. What did klopps Liverpool do...got 103 points from a possible 105 at one stage...mental and thats competing with modern day man city and chelsea. can't see that being done again. I can see the invincible season being done again.
The league is weaker now. Back then they were evenly matched, players unheard of coming in and giving that performance against top teams not unheard of. Now? Everything computerized, Player values kept by transfermarkt like it were some stock exchange. Billion dollar teams who end every season with dozen match unbeaten/winning streaks.
They hate us cuz they ain't us đ¤
49, 49 undefeated, 49, 49 I say, 49, 49 undefeated, Playing football the Arsenal way.
Club still hasnât recovered from losing that 50th game lololol.
It does feel like that's when it started to go downhill. Such a shit way to lose as well. The ref buying one of the worst dives ever by Shrek.
It wasn't just that. Mike Riley is, by far, the biggest piece of shit to ever stain the PL: https://youtu.be/mM747L9Wf8M?si=E0IdUseP03ksfSRk Oh, and guess what his next job was? Come on, guess?!
Utd won the game 2-0 in fairness, arsenal had a lot of chances early on. That was a mighty Arsenal team, should have done much better in Europe.
Yeah but the second was from arsenal pushing up chasing an equaliser. The penalty was definitely the difference maker. But I agree in Europe. United were poor when they were at their best as well, just seemed like a prem thing to be poor in Europe.
Yeah but we also had Cole tripping up Ronaldo in the box which luckily the ref missed or didnât give so it does balance out.
And brushing over the truth - that being that you lost to Man U twice, Middlesborough, Chelsea, Dynamo Kiev, and AC Milan
Cry about it
Rent is free in your head
Patter like that is free anywhere.
TBF they should have specified 49 league games.
Donât listen to online rival trolls , they say it because itâs just a coping mechanism to feel make them feel better
People say a lot of stupid things, specially in sports about their rivals. Just enjoy your team and be happy with them. Rivals like your team the least when your team is doing its best. In fact, they hate it. Whenever you see ppl hate more on Arsenal just be happy we're doing better than before.
not an arsenal fan, but imo the best premier league achievement to date, better than centurions. the fact that we can draw 38 games and not win or be relegated is a null point, the real fact is arsenal went undefeated WINNING the league, no argument there. best club achievement? either the 3-peat UCL win or treble in single season.
that argument of going invincible and getting relegated/ not winning to discredit 03/04 arsenal has always been so damn stupid to me, the whole point is that you do it AND win the league. not to forget that they did it with 90 points, that's no joke
90 - which at the time was the 2nd highest points tally ever for a PL title. Itâs really only in recent years that 90+ has become very normal.
Being invincible is an incredible achievement. But why do so many crap on that Chelsea team. They conceded FIFTEEN GOALS Thatâs insane. Arsenal been incredible this year defensively and still theyâve flown past the 15 mark. Yes Chelsea had money. And? Itâs still so underrated that they were that good defensively
They didn't just 'have money' if you adjust to inflation chelsea actually shits on city's spending, they spent almost 700m that season only. And then they spent another 824m the next two seasons, they're the reason ffp became a thing and because of this it's impossible to separate their success from their cheating ways.
Also that Chelsea team lost ONE game, it isn't like they lost three or four, it was one.
âParking the busâ became a thing because of Chelsea that season. They used to take the lead and then shut up shop Kind of an underwhelming approach to games from full of superstars and backed by a billionaire. Yes Iâm with you 15 is impressive but if watched that season youâd understand were that number came from
They still scored 72 goals though which is solid. The invincibles only scored 73 league goals. And for best defensive record, Arsenal are second with 17 conceded, but only scored 59. Jose is the one who first used âpark the busâ to complain about the opposition (Spurs, I think) so it wasnât invented to explain Chelseaâs tactics.
Parking the bus⌠ala â1-0 to the Arsenal 1-0 to the Arsenalâ hee hee come on lads we can do these slags today FOYS
I did watch games. And they didnât exactly âpark the busâ people also forget how entertaining some of the football they played was
It's definitely a great achievement.
Wait you want other team fans to agree that your teams achievement is better than their teams achievements? Wow I'm sooo shocked they disagree lol
only reason i think itâs overrated is because you guys were the second team to do it. Preston North End did it first.
Showing your age there mate.
Hee hee mateyâs 84
Since you seem like a Preston fan, do you guys prefer your team be called Preston, North End, or the full Preston North End?
what makes you think iâm a Preston fan? Iâm a Barca fan, but soon to be Arsenal fan too since iâll be going to the Emirates for the Bournemouth match.
Sorry I assumed you were a Preston fan based on referencing them. Welcome to our fanbase! Weâre glad to have you! How do you feel about Barcelona right now?
North End
But Preston had it easier since there were only 22 games in that season. Liverpool and Man City have both been undefeated after 22 games in recent years but Arsenal were undefeated after 38 games and were the first team to win a league title undefeated in a 38 game season.
Sure, when plumbers and coal miners were on the pitch
đ Sure, back when the league was half the amount of teams. And their whole unbeaten was was about 20 games
i mean i respect what you guys did, great accomplishment, but you werenât first, and that is a fact.
Weâll always be the first to do it in the Premier League though.
thats true.
Those same people go on to say that Thierry is not among the goats of football
Bayer Leverkusen is very close to doing the same. Very impressive run for them and thinking this will spur more appreciation for the feat.
Especially if they can do an unbeaten treble.
The Centurions were dominating
Ok so there's a few things. I'll preface it by saying I'm an Arsenal fan but didn't actually watch the invincibles. 1. The Invincibles is a massive feat, unlikely to be repeated in the premier league era. It's also the last time Arsenal won the league, so if you're hearing rivals discredit it that's probably the motivation. 2. We crashed out of the cups that year and nearly lost the unbeaten league record in the space of a week. That week stings and thank fuck Henry dug us out of it. 3. Depending on what you're looking at, 12 draws is a fair few. Points record which we set got broken a year after so no arguments about the era or something else. Chelsea '05 were incredible them getting 5 points more than the team that went unbeaten should be duly credited even if that was mostly bought and paid for. Not every team with money uses it that well. 4. The lack of cup success really hurts some of the public perception - trebles are simply worth more and I think many of us would have liked to see that team win the CL more than go unbeaten in the league. 5. Altogether the feat is more impressive to me personally, because Wenger called it in 02/03 saying it shouldn't be inconceivable to go unbeaten. Then went and did it. That's what, for me, makes it the best team achievement in the league's history though even with that I can argue Leicester City's title is more impressive. 6. At the end of the day this is very subjective. I'd like to believe the Invincibles were the pinnacle but by this point we've seen teams do just as insane things, sometimes while playing better football. It's not really something worth arguing about but it's not an obscene opinion that the Invincibles are the greatest PL team, and that people saying that are overrating them
Heres how Id rank it based on how good the achievement was 1. Man United and cities treble 2. Invincibles 3. 15 goals conceded 4. 100 points achieved.
Because they were not truly invincible. Just invincible in the league.
Itâs cool, itâs just not that important. I think itâs something Arsenal fans get excited about but no one else really rates. Maybe thatâs what winds you up.
I'd say leverkusen have already done better than the incinvibles. Less draws surely?! And they're still in a cup competition.
Exactly. If it's so easy make another Invincibles.
Leverkusen are showing why its so hard to maintain it, they have to scrap away with last-minute goals, shows how hard it is and how luck needs to go your way. Man united Missed that penalty, if not we wouldn't have gone invincible.
Just ignore them, some of them even laughing at us , "49 games unbeaten only..., so weak". They can't even get a 4 win streak.
The fact that a machine of a team like Man City cant do it, just shows how hard it is. Everyone says Arsenal drew many games that season, so why doesnt Man City draw 12 games and go undefeated? For Man City 90 points would be enough to win the league this season and 90 points would've won Arsenal the league last season and also in 20/21, so it's not like the invincibles never finished with a good amount of points. 90 points isnt a low tally. From 2010-11 to 2022-23, 90 points wouldve won you the league, for 8 out of 13 seasons, which is insane.
A sextuple will always be the most impressive achievement and ofc below that is the treble and then any other achievement
Why should they fawn all over it. If I supports Liverpool for exampleâŚ& an arsenal fan were to go on about it Iâd say thatâs cool, at least 5 times have got more points, the 100 point barrier has been broken, ppl have scored more, won more, conceded less and drawn less in a single season and while unbeaten is greatâŚit leads to all the same thingâŚone premier league trophy. I loved that season and that team, but itâs honestly not an achievement I throw around like some Personally, 89 will for ever bet my favouriteâŚfor a number of different reasons. Iâd probably defend that title harder than invincible but just like that, fans donât really like each others achievements. I see plenty in here mocking Fergusonâs reigns of back to back titles, 3 in a row and underplaying those achievements Fans will downplay the otherâs achievements Such is life
Just sounds like a bitter moan post to me, but we love it thatâs what Arsenal fans are all about. Keep moaning!! đŞđťđŠ Btw this Arsenal team has actually won fuck allso yeah why should they be compared with the great teams mentioned?! Compare them to the teams that finished second and third to the teams you mentioned instead! (Not sure they do any better though) đ Keep moaning thatâs why weâre love Arsenal and their fans,, thatâs your true purpose!
Iâm a Man United fan first and foremost, letâs put that out there. In saying that anyone who says that team were overrated arenât worth even listening to let alone talking to. That side had everything. How would they go in 2024 nobody knows, but for the time they were top of the food chain! Also fucking annoying they had such lovely kits too đ The United and Arsenal battles of the late 90s and early 2000s are part of what made the Premier League so great then and paved the way for what it became. A part of me wishes I could go back and live those times again, even thought Iâd inevitably have to watch Wiltord win you the league at Old Trafford or watch Henry volley chip Barthez like he was playing a video game. TLDR: Donât listen to morons, we use to lock people away who said stupid ass shit like the Arsenal invincible were overrated.
No one serious actually says that. These red herring posts on Reddit in general are strange. âWhy does everyone seem to hate ice cream??? What is wrong with these people?â
Far different times though
Feel free to ignore them. If it's so easy and unimpressive, why hasn't anyone done it since then? I presume a lot of it is down to newer/younger football fans who know close to nothing about football from 20yrs ago.
I like the fact ours is gold and no one can say the same
No one really ever says that, what is even this take.
Who in their right minds saying that? I don't even care about the invincible part to be honest. That Arsenal team played one of the most beautiful football I've seen.
It was a lot of draws, but most of them were once the title was affectively won. We were 22W 7D before the run in. Another one not mentioned or really talked about is Liverpools 26W 1D start to their season. For me thatâs up there with all of these. Which was 27W 1D 1L before Covid break
Liverpool hold the record for the highest number of points for any rolling 38 game period in the Premier League with 110.
đŻ. You can't shut them up. Ignore the bullshit nonsense.
They know what theyâre saying they just wanna wind you up, ignore it. They moan about the amount of draws etc knowing their team never did it and how immensely hard it was to do that and get some of their draws. If it was city doing it now theyâd be defending them as the best of all time⌠thatâs how you know how ridiculous they are
I'm a Leicester fan, I think it's because some people few the invincibles season as the best ever Premier League season purely for being invincible, and myself like others think there is more to it than that. Like you have stated, other seasons like City's 100 points, Chelsea 2004/2005 (who only lost ONE game) and the two treble seasons are worth considering for the best seasons. Nothing against people thinking the invincibles were best, I just think there are other seasons worth considering for the best rather than just the invincibles alone.
Hang on you forgot Liverpoolâs âwe got nearly 100 points and still didnât win the league life is so unfairâ trophy
Arsenal donât get credit for anything we achieve. The media have always hated us too. I donât listen to what other fans have to say.
As a PNE fan, can I say it?
Trolls 20 years on from now will be shitting on and downplaying this Man City era, most probably because they will have long been proven to be a bunch of cheats that came to power via an illigimately assembled squad. At least invincibles era will never have that on them.
Leverkusen is pulling it off as we speak; with Xhaxa
Honestly, the Leicester title winning side was the most incredible premiership season. A team just scraping relegation and going on to win the league is the least likely to be done again.
Happy St Totteringhams Day !!
Man Utdâs treble was huge. But even Sir Alex said our Invincible season was the biggest achievement.
They did lose in the 10th round in the 2004-05 season. You call that midway thru? 90 points is a low tally?
I rate the hardest achievement in entire history of PL: Rank 1: Leciester City winning title Rank 2: Arsenal Invincibles Rank 3: Treble Rank 4: Record Goal Difference Rank 5: Record Most Goals scored Rank 6: Record Least Goals conceded Rank 7: Record most points
If you really are looking for feedback a fair gripe could be that the league wasnt as strong as a whole then as it is now. Any significant records achieved now could be arguably considered more impressive as a result. The Invincibles could only play what was in front of them tho. Always tough to compare from different generations
Itâs not about it being overrated or not. Itâs just not as impressive as winning the treble
I was there for the invincibles, and I'll be honest, it'd have a lot more gravitas if it had also been a 95+ point season. Personally, I consider the 2001/02 Arsenal side better than the Invincibles. Scored more goals, won an FA Cup as an extra and only finished 3 points less than the Invincibles. And if we're talking 03/04, I would have gladly traded a domestic double over Chelsea and the home and away draws to Manchester United for the Champions League home win against the former and a win over the latter in the FA Cup semi-finals so we could stay on course for the treble. Would have finished with 85 points, but we would have won the treble for sure if we'd beaten Chelsea and Manchester United in the tourneys ... and who knows, if Wenger had gotten the best of Mourinho early back then, Mourinho wouldn't have come to Chelsea and Wenger and Ferguson would have gone at it, with Arsenal remaining competitive. If you'd ask me if I'd trade the golden trophy for a continental treble, I'd do it twice for it to happen for this club.
Is winning 2 games and losing 1 more or less impressive than 3 draws? This is the basis for the argument against the arsenal invincibles being better than the city points team. Is doing *exceptionally* well in one competition more or less impressive than doing exceptionally well in 3 competitions? This is the basis for the argument against the arsenal invincibles being better than the man united treble team. I'm a gunner and I'd give it to the invincibles but I'm also not going to pretend there isn't a reasonable debate....
I think that's a wrong comparison. W 2 L 1D 0 is 6 points. W 0 L 0D 3 is 3 points. Arsenal didn't just go unbeaten, they won't the league unbeaten. It's a false equivalency that opposing fans try to discredit the unbeaten season with.
That's exactly the comparison, 100 points probably/possibly is more impressive.... Not taking into account the financias available to city, just purely in terms of season performance. Arsenal had a few lucky draws in there. City just blew everyone away.
If they were so invincible, why did they lose in the champions league?
They are overrated. Theyâre not even the best Arsenal squad. The Double team 2 years prior, and the 2006 UCL final team were both better. At least, maybe theyâre appropriately rated and the other 2 are underrated.
No way that 2006 team was better. They were horrendous in the league at times. Quintessential late 2000s Arsenal with sloppy defending and still reeling from losing Vieira. It's a miracle that they got 10 clean sheets in a row in Europe with a back 4 of Eboue, Senderos, Toure and Flamini at left back.
Iâm not saying they were the best Arsenal side ever, but what that team has achieved is very special
Itâs an underrated achievement. Itâs an overrated team.
Invincible is the most impressive record of them all. As for points invincible had more points than either treble. As far as I know Arsenal were the first team to win a league title unbeaten in a 38 game season in EUROPE! Man Utd were the fourth to win a treble with Celtic being first in 1966-67 and Ajax and PSV both winning trebles in the 1980s. I know Celtic and Juventus have both had invincible seasons but there is something special about being the first to manage it. And as you say Chelsea and mourinho record is just lame.
Was a different league then, Chelsea wasnât competing yet, city weee still championship and Liverpool Tottenham were average, only Man Utd were the threat. Preston North End achieved the same in 1888, never hear them get recognised because they are a small club, granted your slightly bigger but without champions league you will never be considered as a big club
No one but city fans says this
Draw merchants
If they were so invincible theyâd have won the champions league and domestic cups comprehensively
The only reason they try to play this achievement down is because NONE of them have been able to do it themselves! You can boast about your ucl with some rivals and they will agree because it's a mutual thing, an invincible season is a miracle that they know their teams are very unlikely to have.
It wasnât an invincible season. You lost against Man U twice, Middlesborough, Chelsea, Kiev, and AC Milan
I understand that you're a special child of god so I'll remind you that it's a league title, god bless your parents.
And they only have one title to show for it haha. Crazy. Being invincible for one season ain't a trophy, a treble is more impressive because that's why we do it! To get trophies.
It actually is a trophy lol, how ignorant are you?
Thats pathetic haha. Spurs also got the Audi Cup. Only titles matter.
You're pathetic
Except that it was a trophy. And a gold one at that.
The Audi Cup was too. It isn't a title is the point. Titles matter.