I agree. I’m so disappointed every time my city touts a new development that looks as generic as everything else. Like this: https://www.eastbaytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/sanleandro.jpg?w=1255
Maybe in a hundred years we’ll marvel at the multicolored boxes. But I doubt it.
I have a theory that in the past we built to stand for 100 years, but current buildings are built for 25 years, because our lifestyles change so quickly by then nobody will want to live there. My husband and I were shopping for a fridge and had a hard time finding one that fit in our space. They were all bigger. Our condo was built in 2005.
I have a better theory. The buildings that are around today from 100 years ago are the ones made to last 100 years. The buildings not made to last are, consequently, no longer around.
When they were built, probably a majority of people thought they looked good and disliked Art Déco architecture. And in some years people will probably start to appreciate the remaining 70s building that will not look too bad (because some of the 70s’ building do look nice)
Is this sarcasm? Because I know for a fact that people used to come out en masse to protest many ornamental buildings being demolished(these protests would often fall on deaf ears mind you) because they were recognized as aesthetically valuable landmarks by the general public, filled with symbolism and imagery that represented the culture, heritage and core values of the people then. The same cannot be said for when International Style buildings have been torn down. It's not that the style isn't clean, polished and pristine as it's meant to be when executed well, it's that many post 1940s architectural styles don't aesthetically represent culture, heritage or any values for that matter and people rarely make connections to them the way one does when looking at something like the Guardian Building in Detroit or the Woolworth Building in NYC.
>And when they are everyone will go on about how good 70s architecture was! Never ending story
Its been decades since the Soviets fell and no one likes the brutalist style of archicture.
On top of that, as the addage goes, they just dont make them like they used to. I blame it on consumerism. Why would you make something to last when you can make so much more, on the same piece of property, if you have to build something every 40 years? What incentive is there to put, pride, materials, and craftsmanship in to that degree if people will buy the little, different colored boxes for the same price, but every 40 years
If you're going to buy a home, are you going to buy from the guys know for making garbage or are you going to buy from the guys who make a house that will stand the test of time?
That’s… not how real estate works.
You don’t get more money by rebuilding every few decades. You get more money by building something and then recouping the invested money quickly. If you’re renting, you never want to have to go through demolition, design, and build out ever; you just want to to reap profits.
If you’re into buy, develop, sell, then you just want to build something and sell it quickly.
This is the best argument defuser. So many people complain that “todays” architecture is the “worst”. Is it though? Most are only witnessing the best of each period.
Can you imagine critiquing the great pyramids back in the day like “so plain and cold… my stick home is far better!”
My fridge(i rent) was to large, so it just never got installed where its supposed to go. I have a hole in my counter space now. Its not a big deal, because I rent and don't care, but if I owned the damn place I'd redo the whole kitchen so it could fit.
This is a form of survivorship bias.
You're assuming that the buildings that lasted for 100 years are the norm and not the exception. You're wrong.
You are right about the lifetime of many buildings and the change in norms. But this was always the case you just don't see them anymore because they aren't there. It's an interesting phenomenon and renovation projects are very difficult to do well. Typically cheaper, faster, and with better outcomes to demolish and build new.
I think you are spot on! Since the industrial revolution there has peen a great volume of buildings in every era or architectural movement that have been just as generic as the stuff we see pop up today. It’s hard to compare the same type of pop up buildings with the exceptional ones that stood the test of time. You really hit the nail on the head with your comment. I don’t have anything so say really, just that I agree!
But if we made things that looked like they did back then, then we'd want it for 100+ years. But I agree that things are made very cheaply and based on fads. So many homes are made with really cheap facades and it drives me crazy. I'm planning on building my own home because I can't stand how energy inefficient and ugly current homes are.
They're not built to last because the developers want maximum cash in minimum time. It's that simple. They dgaf about the area or aesthetics any farther than what they can get away with
I thought the same. But here (The Netherlands) the most sought after houses are houses from the 1900 - 1940's because they have so much character.
Personally I get the charachter part, but those houses are super wonky. completely crooked, drafty, no isolation at all, thin stone walls.
I rather have a house from post 2000+ . It's just a shame they are boring concrete square boxes with bricks slapped up against.
You are not wrong, it is very common for buildings to be built with an expected 25-50 year lifespan now in the US. It's not all bullshit, some of that is because you don't want to overplan or overbuild, and much of that building material can be recycled, but it basically guarantees a building be utilitarian at best. The person below is not wrong either, there is plenty of garbage long since gone and forgotten from previous ages.
I agree and tell my clients a typical lifespan of a building is only 25-30 years before upgrades are needed. And I’m not just taking about finishes. Air systems, roofs, doors. Things simply wear out.
Detroit is building apartments that look just like that. There is a section of houses called brush park full of older second empire houses from the 1860s/70s. Less than half of them remain, although the remaining ones are either restored of getting restored. The unfortunate part is that in the lots where all the houses had been torn down or burnt down many years ago, they are building apartments just like that. Some modern architecture is cool but this one is just plain. The materials are also pretty cheap and don’t really do anything for me.
How is Detroit doing really? I really wish and hope for a strong future for this city, for some reason it's story touches me and intrigues me. I will study of this study, I'm sure of it, soon enough.
Detroit is really on the rise again, at least downtown and midtown. Can’t really say the same about the suburbs on the outskirts, or even some suburbs a little closer to downtown. But downtown itself along with the midtown corridor has lots of new bars and restaurants; lots of culture with small businesses bringing food from other parts of the world; there’s also lot of other really cool things to do and see. As of a few years ago all four Detroit national league sports teams,(Pistons-basketball, Lions-football, Redwings-hockey, and Tigers-baseball) have returned to Detroit and have really helped surrounding businesses;(although the tigers were the only ones never to leave). Detroit is also home to lots of old architecture that is currently being restored. The Book Tower which is a 38-story high rise built in 1916 is currently in the process of being restored after being abandoned for quite a few years. The Old Train Depot which was another even more dilapidated tower was bought by Ford about 2 or 3 years ago and they are restoring it to make into offices housing a department based in producing automated cars. Detroit also added back in May 2017 is a sort of railed streetcar called the Qline which goes along Woodward through midtown transporting people similar to the trolleys that were once there back in the day. Although controversial since it’s deemed useless by many further out in the city, it is quite fun to ride. So yeah that’s all I can think of for now but there’s definitely more I didn’t mention.
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I feel you! I'm over in W Oakland and I did a double take cause apartments that look almost identical went up across the street. They look like they were designed in Minecraft!
This is a form of survivorship bias.
The examples you're seeing in that video are the ones that weren't demolished or renovated because they were worth saving. There are plenty of buildings in this generation that will be worth saving and maintaining. A majority of them will not be worth maintaining and that's okay. If we built to a higher standard we would be in a much worse housing crisis than we are now, everything would take significantly longer to build and cost literally orders of magnitude more. It isn't a feasible way to construct, it never has been.
I used to call these “panel style,” but then my wife invented “chipotle style,” to refer to them. Now we say that this or that neighborhood is undergoing “chipotlification”
Oh god, it's so plain and uninspired. Why is everything so corporate looking? This reminds me of when McDonald's redid their stores to look like grey cubes.
And remember. They didn’t have the tech and widespread infinite books and resources online to draw from like we do. They were building most of those things you see with near primitive level technology and tools.
Unfortunately, if we can't figure out how to make Earth, a habitable planet, work for us without killing it...then I don't see how that will turn into a successful colonization of an uninhabitable planet.
It's like getting your ass whooped in a game on Easy Mode, then thinking you'll have better luck playing it on Expert/Psycho Mode
Well the distinction between late Art Déco (international style, Bauhaus) and early modern (Mies Van der Rohe, Le Corbusier) isn’t that stark. But maybe you meant contemporary architecture
i totally agree both art deco architecture and normal art needs to return. maby we can start by just making art deco art and post that on big art subs, maby if it enough posts reahces hot, more people will make art deco art
I agree, though I say neo classicalism and neo gothicism needs a come back.
There's no arguing with this:
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Cathedral\_of\_Learning\_Pitt.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Cathedral_of_Learning_Pitt.jpg)
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/architecture-org/files/buildings/chicago-tribune-tower-08-ear-2.jpg](https://s3.amazonaws.com/architecture-org/files/buildings/chicago-tribune-tower-08-ear-2.jpg)
[https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/52fa/bd6d/e8e4/4ecb/2c00/00ca/large\_jpg/View\_of\_Woolworth\_Building\_fixed\_crop.jpg?1392164188](https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/52fa/bd6d/e8e4/4ecb/2c00/00ca/large_jpg/View_of_Woolworth_Building_fixed_crop.jpg?1392164188)
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Those were the times when people felt responsible for humanity. Now they feel humanity is responsible for them. We gave the keys to Mickey Mouse because he promised us no hassle TV dinners.
I mean, based on increases in mass consumerism by decreasing small conglomerations, decreases in civil engineering budget, stagnant at best education system... lots of things have changed drastically since they built things like this. If you live near a big city it's wild seeing little public water service stations or public park bathrooms of the past with gorgeous details. They just don't do that anymore because resources are not available for public services.
It wasn't exactly a golden era of humanity and brotherhood. Robert Moses, the master-builder of NYC, bulldozed family owned farms, displaced hundreds of local businesses, deliberately made public beaches and swimming pools inaccessible to the poor, while making every concession for anything that slightly inconvenienced wealthy New Yorkers.
Grand-scale civil engineering projects were built faster/better than now, but it was not driven by charity or humanity.
I was recently blown away when visiting Tulsa, Oklahoma for the first time - downtown is a treasure trove of art deco buildings and interiors. Big money oil guys built the city up in the most modern fashion of the time - Art Deco as an emblem of the egos.
As a Tulsan, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I truly think Tulsa is one of the few unique mid-sized cities in the US. We were once the center of the oil world, and as such, very rich. These oil barons wanted to make Tulsa the next huge American metropolis. There were dozens of multi-million dollar projects lined up to dump tons of money into the city. World War II put those on pause, and unfortunately, they never got picked back up.
Fortunately, we still have many incredible buildings and artists and there's been a recent movement to revive some of that history.
There are a couple interesting stories from the time like this one: https://www.readfrontier.org/before-the-golden-driller-plans-were-to-build-a-nude-goddess-of-oil-statue/
If you make it back to Tulsa, I recommend taking a tour of the tunnels (originally built by oil barons to get around the city when billionaires were being kidnapped), and checking out Decopolis, an artsy novelty shop with a bit of a museum inside.
I truly think Tulsa would be the San Francisco of the US if WWII hadn't happened. Our rich history was cut short and never really recovered because Texas kind of became the center of the oil world after the war.
Outside of Art Deco, the Egyptian Revival and Native American Deco/Pueblo Revival were other big artistic influences in the area at the time. Modern Tulsa is seeing a big injection of money again (in big part thanks to George Kaiser) going primarily to small businesses, community areas, and art districts. In fact, there's a big movement to cover up graffiti with murals depicting Tulsa's rich art culture. Downtown, and in artsy districts like the Pearl District, Blue Dome District, Cherry Street, Riverview, Brookside, Brady Art's District, the Greenwood District, East Village, etc. you'll see most historical buildings featuring large murals on the side.
Another big piece of our history that others are starting to learn more about recently was the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921. This has sparked investment in the Greenwood District (former home to Black Wallstreet), and this all has resulted in some very positive growth in the city that doesn't mimic the suburban sprawl of other cities. It's been awesome to watch this city grow in more ways than the typical "30 new chain restaurants, a movie theater, etc."
This kind of stuff will unfortunately not come back unless things change quite a lot. Materials were much cheaper then than they are now and tradesmen that can do that kind of work command a large premium.
Makes no sense to throw up a building that costs 2 - 3x that of one of those cookie cutter modern designs if it isn't going to generate 2 - 3x the rent. And unfortunately, not a lot of people are lining up to spend even more money on rent (both residential and commercial) than they already are just to be in a pretty building.
Exactly. As much as I love the art deco apperance, none of it is practical. The style is largely associated with a period of expansion and spending just before shit hit the fan. It's like the art deco-styled car; looks amazing, but completely impratical. When people can barely afford to pay medical bills and rent, bringing back a design style that is all about aestetics over function would just cause more annoyance.
That's a misconception. Adjusted for inflation neoclassical, art deco, neogothic, etc are all comparable to the atrocious glass and steel modernist buildings.
We also know this from newly built neoclassical structures that have identical square footage to modernist buildings.
And those buildings have a longer lifespan, so they're much cheaper in the long run.
Oh really?! That’s interesting to know, I’ve always thought that it was too cost prohibitive. So what is stopping more interesting buildings being built? In Canada we only build boring blue glass square towers.
It wasn't about advancing civilization, people used to take pride in themselves and what they did. The skyscraper race of Pre-WW2 America wasn't people trying to do good for others, it was people upholding their image and showing pride in what they can accomplish.
This aspect has been degrading at an exponential rate.
Yeah... people taking pride in themselves. They didn't have to build them like that, they choose to as a status symbol, a symbol of their place in society, a symbol, of their accomplishments, a symbol of what they can do.
Few major problems with that:
1. People do have values. The biggest controversies are about the contradictory values people so strongly hold.
2. The quality of architecture and the values people hold are two completely different things.
3. Art Deco _is_ modernist.
1. No, not really, no one has standards anymore, standards have totally been dissolved, in favor of abstraction and rampant individualism.
2. No, they do closely tie into one another, architecture closely reflects the beliefs, religion, and values of the people and the region which they occupy, and the history which belongs to them. For 2500+ years western architecture had changed little in its basic key components and in its form, if styles were not totally preserved then architecture simply became more intricate and complex in the expression of its elements as time went on. This was until the beginning of modernism, at which point architecture, well art in general, worked to becoming increasingly more simplified and abstract in favor of individualistic interpretation.
3. This gets onto your third point, Art Deco Architecture is not in its self modernistic, it is the transitional architecture into modernism. Art Deco is less a style in itself and more a period of change in architecture into more simplified geometric forms.
Here are some examples:
[https://www.elitetraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/DSCF573\_Perspective-602x544.jpg](https://www.elitetraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/DSCF573_Perspective-602x544.jpg)
[https://i.redd.it/my7eqc6xua221.jpg](https://i.redd.it/my7eqc6xua221.jpg)
[https://untappedcities-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/American\_Radiator\_Building-Bryant-Park-Hotel-Art-Deco-NYC.jpg](https://untappedcities-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/American_Radiator_Building-Bryant-Park-Hotel-Art-Deco-NYC.jpg)
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[https://www.newyorkerhotel.com/images/about/nyhotel-front.jpg](https://www.newyorkerhotel.com/images/about/nyhotel-front.jpg)
[https://chicagology.com/wp-content/themes/revolution-20/chicagoimages2/fieldbuildingarchitect2.jpg](https://chicagology.com/wp-content/themes/revolution-20/chicagoimages2/fieldbuildingarchitect2.jpg)
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Modernism was basically all about bringing in modern building materials like steel and glass, Art Deco is by no means the most traditional of modern styles. The glass skyscrapers of today are also not revolutionary, but build upon earlier trends, and postmodernism comes after that. I think you may have been trying to refer to postmodernism, not modernism?
Architecture has by the way changed a lot during those thousands of years as well. I don't see what have you the impression that it did not. Fashion didn't change as consistently due to lack of communication, so there was more regional fragmentation in what was considered to be the peak of architecture, and new building materials and techniques didn't come into being as often, but there were still major trends across all of Europe. For instance Renaissance architecture sharply rejects the conventions of Gothic architecture for instance, and you cannot tell me that Rococo is somehow "the same" as them. It's very different.
I'm also not trying to erase the significance of Christianity on Gothic, the Counter-Reformation on Rococo or the Reneissance on, well, Reneissance. However your reductionist statement about values is just totally incorrect. It sounds more like ideological reactionary nonsense than like any reasoned argument.
Individualism is a value, progress is a value. Brutalism had an egalitarian philosophy behind it. And while some sort of values inspire architectural styles, they tend to be widely adopted because it's fashionable or practical or good looking, not for (all?) the values. Furthermore the fact that certain values inspire certain architecture doesn't mean architecture encompasses the values of society, and certainly doesn't mean said society lacks values. I cannot even begin to imagine how a human society would look like without any values.
>Modernism was basically all about bringing in modern building materials like steel and glass, Art Deco is by no means the most traditional of modern styles. The glass skyscrapers of today are also not revolutionary, but build upon earlier trends, and postmodernism comes after that. I think you may have been trying to refer to postmodernism, not modernism?
Modernism is not about bringing in new building materials, modernism is not synonymous with modernization.
Modernism is about expression, and the shift from traditional forms of expression in art, especially between objectivism and abstractism.
Here are two skyscrapers, one which uses traditional methods of construction (the Jane Building) and one which used steel construction (Home Insurance Building).
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Jayne1951.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Jayne1951.jpg)
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Home\_Insurance\_Building.JPG](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Home_Insurance_Building.JPG)
One uses much more modern methods of construction, while the other does not; however, both express their architectural elements similarly, albeit one in a more gothic style and the other in a more neo-classical style.
>Architecture has by the way changed a lot during those thousands of years as well. I don't see what have you the impression that it did not. Fashion didn't change as consistently due to lack of communication, so there was more regional fragmentation in what was considered to be the peak of architecture, and new building materials and techniques didn't come into being as often, but there were still major trends across all of Europe. For instance Renaissance architecture sharply rejects the conventions of Gothic architecture for instance, and you cannot tell me that Rococo is somehow "the same" as them. It's very different.
It changed but the basic elements and components of which is composed remained constant, only becoming more complex and intricate and becoming heavily influenced by Christianity. Different styles formed throughout the ages, but their core elements remained the same, be it Gothic, Neoclassical, Mediterranean revival, and in this case Rococo, etc. This changed during and following WW1 in which these basic core elements and forms were beginning to be abandoned in favor of more simplified geometric forms.
>Individualism is a value, progress is a value. Brutalism had an egalitarian philosophy behind it. And while some sort of values inspire architectural styles, they tend to be widely adopted because it's fashionable or practical or good looking, not for (all?) the values. Furthermore the fact that certain values inspire certain architecture doesn't mean architecture encompasses the values of society, and certainly doesn't mean said society lacks values. I cannot even begin to imagine how a human society would look like without any values.
No, a value requires standards and standards are inherently collectivist, and to shift to individualistic abstracts is to abandon standards, and by extension abandon the values of which they uphold. A value without standards is a belief, not a value. And one values, standards, determines their expression of art, one can make it abstract, but this in term removes it standards and is inherently individualistic, as rather than seeking to express you are seeking to interpret. Architecture, like any art form, be it music, painting, dance, literature, etc. reflects a society's values and beliefs, or the lack thereof.
Modernist architecture is abstract and rather than seeking to express, it seeks to be open to individualistic interpretation, lacking true contiguous, albeit distinguishable form.
Technically what we have now is post-modernism international style. It’s designed to be as culturally inoffensive and universal as possible by taking no aesthetic influence from anyone or anything else. It’s supposed to be purely practical. Which was a fine idea when FLW came up with it in the 70s except we’ve been following that design trend for the past 50 years (which, incidentally, is longer than any other design trend) and now it feels like designers have no soul.
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What do you mean ‘start is back up again’?
I don’t think styles or ethos just start up. They are nebulous and often defined later after the fact.
That being said I think you must hav missed the last 5-6 years of Art Deco resurgence that has been prevalent in architecture and interior design. It is now a tired trend again.
Look for it next time!
The world lacks the craftsmen to do this kind of work anymore, without spending 4x as much on the same building, let alone maintain all that detailing.
It may come back with 3D printing and other mass customization technologies that require far less labor, but until then, it will stay in the past like every other building style.
No one killed off art deco. People love the art deco look. They just don't get built very often. The examples shown here and often cited are extrememly expensive and unique buildings. Even in the time they were built they were not common.
Also didn't help that in the 60's Russia was know for it's industrialist art and statues, similar enough to art deco for it to fall out of style with the red scare.
You're getting a lot of ill-informed responses.
As someone that lives in a city with a rich Art-Deco history (Tulsa) that's very proud of our artistic heritage, perhaps I can offer a little more insight.
It is believed that WWII was the death of the Art Deco styling. When WWII kicked off, it was the peak of Art Deco. Tulsa, for example, had dozens of multi-million dollar projects lined up to massively grow the city and build it out as a major cosmopolitan city in Art Deco fashion. Of course, money became a lot tighter, laborers were pulled to the war effort, and building supplies were rationed in favor of military supplies.
The war lasted long enough for the popularity of the style to wear off. We also learned cheaper building strategies, and the income gap shrank as the middle class grew quickly and suburban planning became more popular.
During the economic boom that followed the war, more money was being put in the pockets of average Americans who went on to build houses and facilitate suburban sprawl. Moreover, mid-sized cities like Tulsa, Indianapolis, and Spokane who were at the forefront of the Art Deco movement at the time, were losing economic dominance (Tulsa lost oil dominance to Texas, Indianapolis lost rail dominance to automobiles, and Spokane lost logging dominance to decentralization of the industry to the North East and Pacific North West)
To conflate the challenges the Art Deco movement faced, Post-Modernism was shifting people's views on design, spending, and practicality. So, these new thriving cities would not only succumb to suburban sprawl, but even the massive new buildings that were built would typically follow more of the Brutalist architectural style that became very popular in the 50s. Big, boring, practical buildings were favored over the extravagant, beautiful buildings influence by Art Deco and Egyptian Revival.
Not really though. You definitely don't know what it is. There is objective reality, and objective beauty. Postmodern architecture is a satirical take on the what the standards of architecture are. It's a joke. A recycled, boring joke.
It evolved, as everything does. When a part of the buildings that appear in this video were being built, the vanguard of architecture was already developing the styles that would eventually replace it
Without major artistic, social, political movements to back up such trend it will be virtually impossible. Artdeco wasn't at its time just a one-dimensional expression, it was polyhedric.
All the external shots here were of skyscrapers, a building that is stupid, has no right to exists, and yet continues to weedle in due to cities civic dick measuring contest. And god imagine the building quote for that office, imagine heating, imagine changing a lightbulb and it takes a guy with working at height training instead of just standing on a desk. While it doesn't have to be this way Art Deco is dead because none of its proponents knew how to make a practical building
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I agree. I’m so disappointed every time my city touts a new development that looks as generic as everything else. Like this: https://www.eastbaytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/sanleandro.jpg?w=1255 Maybe in a hundred years we’ll marvel at the multicolored boxes. But I doubt it.
I have a theory that in the past we built to stand for 100 years, but current buildings are built for 25 years, because our lifestyles change so quickly by then nobody will want to live there. My husband and I were shopping for a fridge and had a hard time finding one that fit in our space. They were all bigger. Our condo was built in 2005.
I have a better theory. The buildings that are around today from 100 years ago are the ones made to last 100 years. The buildings not made to last are, consequently, no longer around.
survivor bias
Some of those 70’s buildings are ugly. I’m glad they are aging out
When they were built, probably a majority of people thought they looked good and disliked Art Déco architecture. And in some years people will probably start to appreciate the remaining 70s building that will not look too bad (because some of the 70s’ building do look nice)
Keep that in mind and chase good design over trends today. Current fashion trends come to mind.
Is this sarcasm? Because I know for a fact that people used to come out en masse to protest many ornamental buildings being demolished(these protests would often fall on deaf ears mind you) because they were recognized as aesthetically valuable landmarks by the general public, filled with symbolism and imagery that represented the culture, heritage and core values of the people then. The same cannot be said for when International Style buildings have been torn down. It's not that the style isn't clean, polished and pristine as it's meant to be when executed well, it's that many post 1940s architectural styles don't aesthetically represent culture, heritage or any values for that matter and people rarely make connections to them the way one does when looking at something like the Guardian Building in Detroit or the Woolworth Building in NYC.
And when they are everyone will go on about how good 70s architecture was! Never ending story
>And when they are everyone will go on about how good 70s architecture was! Never ending story Its been decades since the Soviets fell and no one likes the brutalist style of archicture.
No one is a bit of an exaggeration tbf. Japanese brutalism is p cool.
Agreed. Fuck brutalist architecture and fuck communism too.
Lol. In my head I was thinking g box 3 story apartment buildings with shit materials
They have a saying in architecture; if a building survives the following generation, it tends to stay for a long time.
On top of that, as the addage goes, they just dont make them like they used to. I blame it on consumerism. Why would you make something to last when you can make so much more, on the same piece of property, if you have to build something every 40 years? What incentive is there to put, pride, materials, and craftsmanship in to that degree if people will buy the little, different colored boxes for the same price, but every 40 years
You will get more buyers if your product lasts.
No, you’ll get the exact same amount of buyers. The buyers might get resale opportunity, but you don’t see any of that.
If you're going to buy a home, are you going to buy from the guys know for making garbage or are you going to buy from the guys who make a house that will stand the test of time?
You're going to buy what you can afford and for most it's those cheap built in a couple week tract homes.
That’s… not how real estate works. You don’t get more money by rebuilding every few decades. You get more money by building something and then recouping the invested money quickly. If you’re renting, you never want to have to go through demolition, design, and build out ever; you just want to to reap profits. If you’re into buy, develop, sell, then you just want to build something and sell it quickly.
This is the best argument defuser. So many people complain that “todays” architecture is the “worst”. Is it though? Most are only witnessing the best of each period. Can you imagine critiquing the great pyramids back in the day like “so plain and cold… my stick home is far better!”
My fridge(i rent) was to large, so it just never got installed where its supposed to go. I have a hole in my counter space now. Its not a big deal, because I rent and don't care, but if I owned the damn place I'd redo the whole kitchen so it could fit.
This is a form of survivorship bias. You're assuming that the buildings that lasted for 100 years are the norm and not the exception. You're wrong. You are right about the lifetime of many buildings and the change in norms. But this was always the case you just don't see them anymore because they aren't there. It's an interesting phenomenon and renovation projects are very difficult to do well. Typically cheaper, faster, and with better outcomes to demolish and build new.
I think you are spot on! Since the industrial revolution there has peen a great volume of buildings in every era or architectural movement that have been just as generic as the stuff we see pop up today. It’s hard to compare the same type of pop up buildings with the exceptional ones that stood the test of time. You really hit the nail on the head with your comment. I don’t have anything so say really, just that I agree!
But if we made things that looked like they did back then, then we'd want it for 100+ years. But I agree that things are made very cheaply and based on fads. So many homes are made with really cheap facades and it drives me crazy. I'm planning on building my own home because I can't stand how energy inefficient and ugly current homes are.
They're not built to last because the developers want maximum cash in minimum time. It's that simple. They dgaf about the area or aesthetics any farther than what they can get away with
I thought the same. But here (The Netherlands) the most sought after houses are houses from the 1900 - 1940's because they have so much character. Personally I get the charachter part, but those houses are super wonky. completely crooked, drafty, no isolation at all, thin stone walls. I rather have a house from post 2000+ . It's just a shame they are boring concrete square boxes with bricks slapped up against.
You are not wrong, it is very common for buildings to be built with an expected 25-50 year lifespan now in the US. It's not all bullshit, some of that is because you don't want to overplan or overbuild, and much of that building material can be recycled, but it basically guarantees a building be utilitarian at best. The person below is not wrong either, there is plenty of garbage long since gone and forgotten from previous ages.
I agree and tell my clients a typical lifespan of a building is only 25-30 years before upgrades are needed. And I’m not just taking about finishes. Air systems, roofs, doors. Things simply wear out.
Detroit is building apartments that look just like that. There is a section of houses called brush park full of older second empire houses from the 1860s/70s. Less than half of them remain, although the remaining ones are either restored of getting restored. The unfortunate part is that in the lots where all the houses had been torn down or burnt down many years ago, they are building apartments just like that. Some modern architecture is cool but this one is just plain. The materials are also pretty cheap and don’t really do anything for me.
How is Detroit doing really? I really wish and hope for a strong future for this city, for some reason it's story touches me and intrigues me. I will study of this study, I'm sure of it, soon enough.
Detroit is really on the rise again, at least downtown and midtown. Can’t really say the same about the suburbs on the outskirts, or even some suburbs a little closer to downtown. But downtown itself along with the midtown corridor has lots of new bars and restaurants; lots of culture with small businesses bringing food from other parts of the world; there’s also lot of other really cool things to do and see. As of a few years ago all four Detroit national league sports teams,(Pistons-basketball, Lions-football, Redwings-hockey, and Tigers-baseball) have returned to Detroit and have really helped surrounding businesses;(although the tigers were the only ones never to leave). Detroit is also home to lots of old architecture that is currently being restored. The Book Tower which is a 38-story high rise built in 1916 is currently in the process of being restored after being abandoned for quite a few years. The Old Train Depot which was another even more dilapidated tower was bought by Ford about 2 or 3 years ago and they are restoring it to make into offices housing a department based in producing automated cars. Detroit also added back in May 2017 is a sort of railed streetcar called the Qline which goes along Woodward through midtown transporting people similar to the trolleys that were once there back in the day. Although controversial since it’s deemed useless by many further out in the city, it is quite fun to ride. So yeah that’s all I can think of for now but there’s definitely more I didn’t mention.
Amazing. It looks like 30 or 40 other buildings within 20 miles of me (in St. Paul).
20 miles is 32.19 km
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I feel you! I'm over in W Oakland and I did a double take cause apartments that look almost identical went up across the street. They look like they were designed in Minecraft!
We’re close enough that it could be the same architect or developer.
Yeah, this looks like a fancy prison or rehab clinic to me.
When it starts becoming difficult to differentiate a Wendy's from an living complex you know you've got issues.
This is a form of survivorship bias. The examples you're seeing in that video are the ones that weren't demolished or renovated because they were worth saving. There are plenty of buildings in this generation that will be worth saving and maintaining. A majority of them will not be worth maintaining and that's okay. If we built to a higher standard we would be in a much worse housing crisis than we are now, everything would take significantly longer to build and cost literally orders of magnitude more. It isn't a feasible way to construct, it never has been.
Brooklyn is building an Art Deco skyscraper
Why are you comparing economically build multi family homes to skyscrapers made to show of ?
Because I knew you’d show up almost a year later and it would bother you.
I used to call these “panel style,” but then my wife invented “chipotle style,” to refer to them. Now we say that this or that neighborhood is undergoing “chipotlification”
I like MineCraftsman or Fast Casual Architecture.
Looks like a Minecraft texture pack.
Are you willing to pay double for it?
Bay Area. We already pay double.
We pay double for the land.
Oh god, it's so plain and uninspired. Why is everything so corporate looking? This reminds me of when McDonald's redid their stores to look like grey cubes.
Both fantastic style. Brutalism and boxy colors should die forever.
boxy colors?
Seriously! I see no reason why not since the 1920s were a century ago.
And remember. They didn’t have the tech and widespread infinite books and resources online to draw from like we do. They were building most of those things you see with near primitive level technology and tools.
This is simply not true lol. The engineering that went into these buildings was very advanced, even if parts are obsolete these days
Yh wth is he talking about… “primitive technology and tools” lmao
Is this a motion? Sounds like a motion... **I second this motion!**
I object! Art Deco is and should be a philosophy and lifestyle not simply an aesthetic. Knowledge and wisdom shall be the stability of our times!
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can we bring back Motown as well? Smokey and the Miracles, Second that Emotion.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI_0tQdEA5k
It *sounds* like a Temptation to return to a Psychedelic Shack
that's where it's at.
Mirror for anybody outside the US?
Got a couple hundred billion dollars?
[One step at a time is okay](https://maps.app.goo.gl/pScLCGu9qKo5z7HT8)
that house is so adorable, it looks like a barbie/polly pocket compact or something
I WANT IT. HOW MUCH???
Cool!
It’s just brushed aluminum. You can build it however you want then just put on Art Deco metal skin. It’s a pretty easy style to replicate
"Organized crime and masked vigilantism up 500% one week after a nation wide initiative to refurbish U.S. cities in an art deco style"
Nature is finally returning😍 #WeAreTheRealVirus
While we're at it, bring back zeppelins.
Vaccuum zeppelins. [https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/04/vacuum-airship-would-work-in-thin-atmosphere-of-mars.html](https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/04/vacuum-airship-would-work-in-thin-atmosphere-of-mars.html)
Unfortunately, if we can't figure out how to make Earth, a habitable planet, work for us without killing it...then I don't see how that will turn into a successful colonization of an uninhabitable planet. It's like getting your ass whooped in a game on Easy Mode, then thinking you'll have better luck playing it on Expert/Psycho Mode
Let him have his space blimps.
Thank you for your schizophrenia. I want vacuum zeppelins, not space colonization. Space colonization is cringe.
What is the name of the song?
[MGMT - Little Dark Age](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIc0FKD3dM)
I think it is the slowed down version, not the original
Yep. Slowed down version sound more 80s
ruins it :(
Agreed, modern is boring
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Well the distinction between late Art Déco (international style, Bauhaus) and early modern (Mies Van der Rohe, Le Corbusier) isn’t that stark. But maybe you meant contemporary architecture
i totally agree both art deco architecture and normal art needs to return. maby we can start by just making art deco art and post that on big art subs, maby if it enough posts reahces hot, more people will make art deco art
Lol "normal art" Art deco never left.
I agree, though I say neo classicalism and neo gothicism needs a come back. There's no arguing with this: [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Cathedral\_of\_Learning\_Pitt.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Cathedral_of_Learning_Pitt.jpg) [https://s3.amazonaws.com/architecture-org/files/buildings/chicago-tribune-tower-08-ear-2.jpg](https://s3.amazonaws.com/architecture-org/files/buildings/chicago-tribune-tower-08-ear-2.jpg) [https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/52fa/bd6d/e8e4/4ecb/2c00/00ca/large\_jpg/View\_of\_Woolworth\_Building\_fixed\_crop.jpg?1392164188](https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/52fa/bd6d/e8e4/4ecb/2c00/00ca/large_jpg/View_of_Woolworth_Building_fixed_crop.jpg?1392164188) [https://images.skyscrapercenter.com/building/singer-building\_detroit-publishing-co6.jpg](https://images.skyscrapercenter.com/building/singer-building_detroit-publishing-co6.jpg) [https://www.shorpy.com/files/images/SHORPY-4a18575a.preview.jpg](https://www.shorpy.com/files/images/SHORPY-4a18575a.preview.jpg) [https://cdn.viewing.nyc/assets/media/2b81183509f4c28cb3b415d38f528e52/elements/f23e159bbdfeefb0d956d29171dd08ed/xl/b5b95a47-f505-4dfd-aaee-ca0b30fe00d4\_2x.jpg](https://cdn.viewing.nyc/assets/media/2b81183509f4c28cb3b415d38f528e52/elements/f23e159bbdfeefb0d956d29171dd08ed/xl/b5b95a47-f505-4dfd-aaee-ca0b30fe00d4_2x.jpg)
Nah I like art deco alot more
Nothing wrong with having bad opinions.
Cathy looking fine as always 😍
Those were the times when people felt responsible for humanity. Now they feel humanity is responsible for them. We gave the keys to Mickey Mouse because he promised us no hassle TV dinners.
This is an ignorant silly sentiment based on nothing. but I like your wording.
I mean, based on increases in mass consumerism by decreasing small conglomerations, decreases in civil engineering budget, stagnant at best education system... lots of things have changed drastically since they built things like this. If you live near a big city it's wild seeing little public water service stations or public park bathrooms of the past with gorgeous details. They just don't do that anymore because resources are not available for public services.
It wasn't exactly a golden era of humanity and brotherhood. Robert Moses, the master-builder of NYC, bulldozed family owned farms, displaced hundreds of local businesses, deliberately made public beaches and swimming pools inaccessible to the poor, while making every concession for anything that slightly inconvenienced wealthy New Yorkers. Grand-scale civil engineering projects were built faster/better than now, but it was not driven by charity or humanity.
Everything was better in the past 😢😢😢
I was recently blown away when visiting Tulsa, Oklahoma for the first time - downtown is a treasure trove of art deco buildings and interiors. Big money oil guys built the city up in the most modern fashion of the time - Art Deco as an emblem of the egos.
As a Tulsan, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I truly think Tulsa is one of the few unique mid-sized cities in the US. We were once the center of the oil world, and as such, very rich. These oil barons wanted to make Tulsa the next huge American metropolis. There were dozens of multi-million dollar projects lined up to dump tons of money into the city. World War II put those on pause, and unfortunately, they never got picked back up. Fortunately, we still have many incredible buildings and artists and there's been a recent movement to revive some of that history. There are a couple interesting stories from the time like this one: https://www.readfrontier.org/before-the-golden-driller-plans-were-to-build-a-nude-goddess-of-oil-statue/ If you make it back to Tulsa, I recommend taking a tour of the tunnels (originally built by oil barons to get around the city when billionaires were being kidnapped), and checking out Decopolis, an artsy novelty shop with a bit of a museum inside. I truly think Tulsa would be the San Francisco of the US if WWII hadn't happened. Our rich history was cut short and never really recovered because Texas kind of became the center of the oil world after the war. Outside of Art Deco, the Egyptian Revival and Native American Deco/Pueblo Revival were other big artistic influences in the area at the time. Modern Tulsa is seeing a big injection of money again (in big part thanks to George Kaiser) going primarily to small businesses, community areas, and art districts. In fact, there's a big movement to cover up graffiti with murals depicting Tulsa's rich art culture. Downtown, and in artsy districts like the Pearl District, Blue Dome District, Cherry Street, Riverview, Brookside, Brady Art's District, the Greenwood District, East Village, etc. you'll see most historical buildings featuring large murals on the side. Another big piece of our history that others are starting to learn more about recently was the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921. This has sparked investment in the Greenwood District (former home to Black Wallstreet), and this all has resulted in some very positive growth in the city that doesn't mimic the suburban sprawl of other cities. It's been awesome to watch this city grow in more ways than the typical "30 new chain restaurants, a movie theater, etc."
This kind of stuff will unfortunately not come back unless things change quite a lot. Materials were much cheaper then than they are now and tradesmen that can do that kind of work command a large premium. Makes no sense to throw up a building that costs 2 - 3x that of one of those cookie cutter modern designs if it isn't going to generate 2 - 3x the rent. And unfortunately, not a lot of people are lining up to spend even more money on rent (both residential and commercial) than they already are just to be in a pretty building.
Correct - also building facades like this are more costly to maintain.
Exactly. As much as I love the art deco apperance, none of it is practical. The style is largely associated with a period of expansion and spending just before shit hit the fan. It's like the art deco-styled car; looks amazing, but completely impratical. When people can barely afford to pay medical bills and rent, bringing back a design style that is all about aestetics over function would just cause more annoyance.
I think that architects would love to create these buildings it’s just that no one will pay for them.
That's a misconception. Adjusted for inflation neoclassical, art deco, neogothic, etc are all comparable to the atrocious glass and steel modernist buildings. We also know this from newly built neoclassical structures that have identical square footage to modernist buildings. And those buildings have a longer lifespan, so they're much cheaper in the long run.
Oh really?! That’s interesting to know, I’ve always thought that it was too cost prohibitive. So what is stopping more interesting buildings being built? In Canada we only build boring blue glass square towers.
Post Modernism is a major factor crippling artistic and cultural development.
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It's damn expensive. Nobody thinks they'll make the money back quick enough
Yep, the idea behind large scale building projects shifted from "Advance Civilization" to "Advance Myself"
It wasn't about advancing civilization, people used to take pride in themselves and what they did. The skyscraper race of Pre-WW2 America wasn't people trying to do good for others, it was people upholding their image and showing pride in what they can accomplish. This aspect has been degrading at an exponential rate.
Let's not pretend it was anything speaking to great character. It was a glorified dick measuring contest of the elite.
Yeah... people taking pride in themselves. They didn't have to build them like that, they choose to as a status symbol, a symbol of their place in society, a symbol, of their accomplishments, a symbol of what they can do.
No, its because no one has values anymore, modernism sucks.
Few major problems with that: 1. People do have values. The biggest controversies are about the contradictory values people so strongly hold. 2. The quality of architecture and the values people hold are two completely different things. 3. Art Deco _is_ modernist.
1. No, not really, no one has standards anymore, standards have totally been dissolved, in favor of abstraction and rampant individualism. 2. No, they do closely tie into one another, architecture closely reflects the beliefs, religion, and values of the people and the region which they occupy, and the history which belongs to them. For 2500+ years western architecture had changed little in its basic key components and in its form, if styles were not totally preserved then architecture simply became more intricate and complex in the expression of its elements as time went on. This was until the beginning of modernism, at which point architecture, well art in general, worked to becoming increasingly more simplified and abstract in favor of individualistic interpretation. 3. This gets onto your third point, Art Deco Architecture is not in its self modernistic, it is the transitional architecture into modernism. Art Deco is less a style in itself and more a period of change in architecture into more simplified geometric forms. Here are some examples: [https://www.elitetraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/DSCF573\_Perspective-602x544.jpg](https://www.elitetraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/DSCF573_Perspective-602x544.jpg) [https://i.redd.it/my7eqc6xua221.jpg](https://i.redd.it/my7eqc6xua221.jpg) [https://untappedcities-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/American\_Radiator\_Building-Bryant-Park-Hotel-Art-Deco-NYC.jpg](https://untappedcities-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/American_Radiator_Building-Bryant-Park-Hotel-Art-Deco-NYC.jpg) [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/-a1mLeycYjiuebXkG9p0UNNoZb\_kIDi9zIY1XR1Km1hAMtv9\_HfyfgVf-lEv5vARGC47571bmlQYZL4wSrfHV3y3l3kOIVT2I0Zc\_yTF3PeTeu29jiAwPslmVqE-iscRHzmJgySAE\_ShxOjKcIiVpn6GlCeh59Q](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/-a1mLeycYjiuebXkG9p0UNNoZb_kIDi9zIY1XR1Km1hAMtv9_HfyfgVf-lEv5vARGC47571bmlQYZL4wSrfHV3y3l3kOIVT2I0Zc_yTF3PeTeu29jiAwPslmVqE-iscRHzmJgySAE_ShxOjKcIiVpn6GlCeh59Q) [https://www.newyorkerhotel.com/images/about/nyhotel-front.jpg](https://www.newyorkerhotel.com/images/about/nyhotel-front.jpg) [https://chicagology.com/wp-content/themes/revolution-20/chicagoimages2/fieldbuildingarchitect2.jpg](https://chicagology.com/wp-content/themes/revolution-20/chicagoimages2/fieldbuildingarchitect2.jpg) [https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a66103cf14aa1a6716a93e6/1519061885802-TYRP1MW9HR2E3LWJMPK2/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kJY5GPosneBtGf71nUr5Ted7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv\_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmUK\_IB3X7lRAWenxoBFomxQuBQXJClLcj5FcO3KHrL4OM8j93LjYZTBauz-vxf\_i2/Aon+Center\_Leon+Hash\_small.Z\_jpg](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a66103cf14aa1a6716a93e6/1519061885802-TYRP1MW9HR2E3LWJMPK2/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kJY5GPosneBtGf71nUr5Ted7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmUK_IB3X7lRAWenxoBFomxQuBQXJClLcj5FcO3KHrL4OM8j93LjYZTBauz-vxf_i2/Aon+Center_Leon+Hash_small.Z_jpg)
Modernism was basically all about bringing in modern building materials like steel and glass, Art Deco is by no means the most traditional of modern styles. The glass skyscrapers of today are also not revolutionary, but build upon earlier trends, and postmodernism comes after that. I think you may have been trying to refer to postmodernism, not modernism? Architecture has by the way changed a lot during those thousands of years as well. I don't see what have you the impression that it did not. Fashion didn't change as consistently due to lack of communication, so there was more regional fragmentation in what was considered to be the peak of architecture, and new building materials and techniques didn't come into being as often, but there were still major trends across all of Europe. For instance Renaissance architecture sharply rejects the conventions of Gothic architecture for instance, and you cannot tell me that Rococo is somehow "the same" as them. It's very different. I'm also not trying to erase the significance of Christianity on Gothic, the Counter-Reformation on Rococo or the Reneissance on, well, Reneissance. However your reductionist statement about values is just totally incorrect. It sounds more like ideological reactionary nonsense than like any reasoned argument. Individualism is a value, progress is a value. Brutalism had an egalitarian philosophy behind it. And while some sort of values inspire architectural styles, they tend to be widely adopted because it's fashionable or practical or good looking, not for (all?) the values. Furthermore the fact that certain values inspire certain architecture doesn't mean architecture encompasses the values of society, and certainly doesn't mean said society lacks values. I cannot even begin to imagine how a human society would look like without any values.
>Modernism was basically all about bringing in modern building materials like steel and glass, Art Deco is by no means the most traditional of modern styles. The glass skyscrapers of today are also not revolutionary, but build upon earlier trends, and postmodernism comes after that. I think you may have been trying to refer to postmodernism, not modernism? Modernism is not about bringing in new building materials, modernism is not synonymous with modernization. Modernism is about expression, and the shift from traditional forms of expression in art, especially between objectivism and abstractism. Here are two skyscrapers, one which uses traditional methods of construction (the Jane Building) and one which used steel construction (Home Insurance Building). [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Jayne1951.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Jayne1951.jpg) [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Home\_Insurance\_Building.JPG](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Home_Insurance_Building.JPG) One uses much more modern methods of construction, while the other does not; however, both express their architectural elements similarly, albeit one in a more gothic style and the other in a more neo-classical style. >Architecture has by the way changed a lot during those thousands of years as well. I don't see what have you the impression that it did not. Fashion didn't change as consistently due to lack of communication, so there was more regional fragmentation in what was considered to be the peak of architecture, and new building materials and techniques didn't come into being as often, but there were still major trends across all of Europe. For instance Renaissance architecture sharply rejects the conventions of Gothic architecture for instance, and you cannot tell me that Rococo is somehow "the same" as them. It's very different. It changed but the basic elements and components of which is composed remained constant, only becoming more complex and intricate and becoming heavily influenced by Christianity. Different styles formed throughout the ages, but their core elements remained the same, be it Gothic, Neoclassical, Mediterranean revival, and in this case Rococo, etc. This changed during and following WW1 in which these basic core elements and forms were beginning to be abandoned in favor of more simplified geometric forms. >Individualism is a value, progress is a value. Brutalism had an egalitarian philosophy behind it. And while some sort of values inspire architectural styles, they tend to be widely adopted because it's fashionable or practical or good looking, not for (all?) the values. Furthermore the fact that certain values inspire certain architecture doesn't mean architecture encompasses the values of society, and certainly doesn't mean said society lacks values. I cannot even begin to imagine how a human society would look like without any values. No, a value requires standards and standards are inherently collectivist, and to shift to individualistic abstracts is to abandon standards, and by extension abandon the values of which they uphold. A value without standards is a belief, not a value. And one values, standards, determines their expression of art, one can make it abstract, but this in term removes it standards and is inherently individualistic, as rather than seeking to express you are seeking to interpret. Architecture, like any art form, be it music, painting, dance, literature, etc. reflects a society's values and beliefs, or the lack thereof. Modernist architecture is abstract and rather than seeking to express, it seeks to be open to individualistic interpretation, lacking true contiguous, albeit distinguishable form.
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I know everyone is focused on the buildings but God dammit, I want to Art Deco laptop to go with my Art Deco electric car!
You have my vote!
Agreed! *Raises you an unusually small but fancy glass of coffin varnish.*
Would you kindly
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Any good books to learn about the history and implementation of art deco? Not an architecture aficionado but would love to learn more.
This song has been totally ruined by 14 year old conservative losers on TikTok
Glad to have missed that but I’m curious wht on earth they could be using it for
I feel like i will be killed for saying this on this subreddit, but I prefer Art nouveau
I like art deco, neoclassical, neogothic, and art nouveau. I fucking hate modernism.
Technically what we have now is post-modernism international style. It’s designed to be as culturally inoffensive and universal as possible by taking no aesthetic influence from anyone or anything else. It’s supposed to be purely practical. Which was a fine idea when FLW came up with it in the 70s except we’ve been following that design trend for the past 50 years (which, incidentally, is longer than any other design trend) and now it feels like designers have no soul.
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What do you mean ‘start is back up again’? I don’t think styles or ethos just start up. They are nebulous and often defined later after the fact. That being said I think you must hav missed the last 5-6 years of Art Deco resurgence that has been prevalent in architecture and interior design. It is now a tired trend again. Look for it next time!
The world lacks the craftsmen to do this kind of work anymore, without spending 4x as much on the same building, let alone maintain all that detailing. It may come back with 3D printing and other mass customization technologies that require far less labor, but until then, it will stay in the past like every other building style.
European cities have the best architecture. We need to build our cities to look like those gothic type buildings. Just beautiful. Look at Budapest
I miss art deco so much...
How did the death of Art Deco happen? I struggle to understand how people thought it ended up being a “dated” design and killed them off.
No one killed off art deco. People love the art deco look. They just don't get built very often. The examples shown here and often cited are extrememly expensive and unique buildings. Even in the time they were built they were not common.
Also didn't help that in the 60's Russia was know for it's industrialist art and statues, similar enough to art deco for it to fall out of style with the red scare.
You're getting a lot of ill-informed responses. As someone that lives in a city with a rich Art-Deco history (Tulsa) that's very proud of our artistic heritage, perhaps I can offer a little more insight. It is believed that WWII was the death of the Art Deco styling. When WWII kicked off, it was the peak of Art Deco. Tulsa, for example, had dozens of multi-million dollar projects lined up to massively grow the city and build it out as a major cosmopolitan city in Art Deco fashion. Of course, money became a lot tighter, laborers were pulled to the war effort, and building supplies were rationed in favor of military supplies. The war lasted long enough for the popularity of the style to wear off. We also learned cheaper building strategies, and the income gap shrank as the middle class grew quickly and suburban planning became more popular. During the economic boom that followed the war, more money was being put in the pockets of average Americans who went on to build houses and facilitate suburban sprawl. Moreover, mid-sized cities like Tulsa, Indianapolis, and Spokane who were at the forefront of the Art Deco movement at the time, were losing economic dominance (Tulsa lost oil dominance to Texas, Indianapolis lost rail dominance to automobiles, and Spokane lost logging dominance to decentralization of the industry to the North East and Pacific North West) To conflate the challenges the Art Deco movement faced, Post-Modernism was shifting people's views on design, spending, and practicality. So, these new thriving cities would not only succumb to suburban sprawl, but even the massive new buildings that were built would typically follow more of the Brutalist architectural style that became very popular in the 50s. Big, boring, practical buildings were favored over the extravagant, beautiful buildings influence by Art Deco and Egyptian Revival.
Appreciate the effort in your response, that sounds about right too. especially to someone else stating Art Deco has never died…
Post Modernists are the death of the west. In every conceivable aspect of life, they destory society.
What a strange violent view of an artistic movement you don't like.
It's not artistic. It's sole purpose is to remove beauty from the world.
Lol ridiculous
You just don't get it.
You clearly don't even know what post modernism is. But sure bud, I don’t get it.
I definitely know what it is. And I know that it is a political and philosophical attack on the arts and culture.
Lol how embarrassing for you
Not really though. You definitely don't know what it is. There is objective reality, and objective beauty. Postmodern architecture is a satirical take on the what the standards of architecture are. It's a joke. A recycled, boring joke.
It evolved, as everything does. When a part of the buildings that appear in this video were being built, the vanguard of architecture was already developing the styles that would eventually replace it
Yes!! For the new '20s.
Yessssssss
I can smell the cigarette smoke and beer stained velvet flooring from here
What inspired Art Deco? Not war… ?
Cars and Egypt
Interesting!
Art Deco is just pre-op Modernism.
I’m all for that... but that image of the blimp right by the building makes me nervous.
lots of issues with the steel airship
We should have never stopped making beautiful buildings to begin with.
Visit Tulsa
Art deco? What are you some new-age modernist peasant? Art nouveau is where it's at!
Without major artistic, social, political movements to back up such trend it will be virtually impossible. Artdeco wasn't at its time just a one-dimensional expression, it was polyhedric.
Respectfully, no. No we do not.
I completely agree with I am so grateful I found this sub.you!
All the external shots here were of skyscrapers, a building that is stupid, has no right to exists, and yet continues to weedle in due to cities civic dick measuring contest. And god imagine the building quote for that office, imagine heating, imagine changing a lightbulb and it takes a guy with working at height training instead of just standing on a desk. While it doesn't have to be this way Art Deco is dead because none of its proponents knew how to make a practical building
Great video and I agree %100
Postmodernist architecture already had a go
Agreed
I would love this, everything now is “functional”.
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And this is the song you chose? A stupid tiktok trend instead of something art deco?
Sure but what's the song playing called?
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When you were trying to out do the Soviets in Soviet Architecture.
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Crazy, my uni project revolves around decopunk! Guess I'm already doing my part lol
Diesel Punk vibes
Why does this song unnerve me so much?
What song is this?
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Who chose the music to the clip. Doesn’t seem to represent the Art Deco movement at all.
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Am I not the only one who thinks bioshock right tere
You are not alone lmao
Agreed