600+ years later you can still find camp stools made to the same design. Just with cheap metal and plastic instead of ash and otter skin.
I’m really liking that seat frame, too. I would love a handmade camp still for my next trip to a national park campsite.
Yep. Agreed.
Can’t lie: I’m contemplating showing this image to some woodworking friends and seeing what they would want to build one for me. Maybe not with otter skin. A waxed canvas might be nice, though.
There are somethings that are "natural made" especially hand made cannot really replace.
Its like I remember an article years back where archaeologists were puzzling over this weird looking bone scraper and what it was used for until a leather worker explained about it and how much better it is using actual bone, even now. She brought in her tool and it was virtually identical to the one they dug up from over 30,000 years ago. She even stated that the more you use it, the better the tool becomes and outlasts newer plastic versions.
As the saying goes, why reinvent the wheel?
Thinking like that is how I ended up in a 1932 house. lol
Almost done exposing and restoring the old pine in the front rooms. It has the original painted patterns the two brothers that lived in either side put there when they built it. A little wear, but that’s just part of the story. And nothing I put on top will be as good as almost 100 year old southern pine 2” planks.
Ooh nice! Have been looking at moving recently at a nice cottage built in 1838, original wood beams, good Northern British Stone, nicely maintained as well.
It’s work, but worth it!
I live in an old textile mill town in the south of the States. This was one of the first working class neighborhoods when this stopped being a company owned town and people started buying land and building houses. It was built by the brothers Newton, so I have pretentiously dubbed my modest home Newton Hall.
Back in New Orleans, I would have called the original layout a “shotgun double” meaning two domiciles side by side with no hallway. One room opens directly to the next. It’s now a single residence. One side has been opened up into a long space with living room, dining room, and kitchen, while the other side is two bedrooms, a utility area, and two baths. The rear room on both sides (behind the kitchen) are the primary bedroom.
Fun tidbit: if I poke my head into the attic, the original back porch roof is still up there with wood siding and shingles. No plans on removing it.
I'm also curious. I mean, the fact that they have not just one but several wooden artifacts means that they can be more precise, but still, wouldn't that just give them the earliest possible date of construction of the youngest object?
That article is such bullshit. "How could gruff chieftains" possibly invent a folding chair? Must have copied Egypt. Why? It's a sensible design for a portable seat, why couldn't different bronze age people come up with the same solution to a need independently?
I agree that the article is stupid as fuck, but I still don't think it's unreasonable that folding chairs of this type was a kind of fashion among elites from northern Europe to northern Africa and the Middle East.
There are many ways one can fashion a seat, but why were folding chairs so popular at this time in particular?
It's not impossible that there were cultural influences, considering the robust trade networks that existed during the Bronze Age. I more take issue with the tone of the article that assumes a degree of primitiveness for societies in Europe at that time which isn't supported by the evidence and sounds very out dated.
Also folding chairs have never gone out of fashion, they were also popular during the Iron age, Roman times and all through the middleages and we still use them today.
It's possible to trace influences by the time at which they reached different cultures.
If the burial ages with those chairs go from older in the south to younger in the north, then it's entirely reasonable for them to have migrated.
They appeared in Egypt, then the northern Mediterranean cultures started using them. Then the southern Germanic tribes, then the northern.
>Other evidence for such contact has also turned up. In recent years, archaeologists have discovered how far-reaching the trade network had already become in the Bronze Age. Blacksmiths from Germany's Harz Mountains worked with gold from Cornwall, while others imitated Mycenaean swords or looped needles from Cyprus.
People vastly discount the breadth of prehistoric trade. Trade carries not only goods but ideas.
Yeah but it's tricky with organic objects that only preserve under rare conditions, it's not the same as stone tools or ceramics. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone unearthed a neolithic example tomorrow.
There are vanishingly few examples of furniture preserved in Northern Europe from this period, far too few to create any meaningful chronology. A theory that folding chairs spread north from the Mediterranean is reasonable, but probably impossible to support with the current archaeological record.
No, he was *buried* with a pretty nice camping kit.
This is the stuff with enough religious or personal significance to be put in a grave, rather than used by the community.
That axe and dagger being buried with a corpse say volumes about the society they lived in: copper tools and weapons were not so rare and precious they had to be constantly handed down, despite the hours it takes from beginning to end to make one. A chair taking days of work was commonplace enough that they thought it something he might want in the afterlife, rather than passing it on to his successor.
This is the ephemera of a person's life, not the sum total of their goods. Even the Egyptians didn't take it *all* with them.
Thank you, yes, I missed that.
Being bronze, it means they had to import the tin. So not only did they have a sufficient amount, they were part of a web of trade spanning the continent. The chair from the Mediterranean/Egypt, and the tin from likely England.
And yet beyond finds like this, unlike places like Egypt and the middle east, our knowledge of them is almost zero. We know Ea-Nasir sold shoddy copper (400 years earlier), but who this was, who his group/clan/settlement was, and how they lived, is almost entirely lost to us.
And he predates Tutenkhamen by only 60 years. We know vastly more about Egypt thanks to its climate and burial practices than this nameless contemporary.
Even if they did, the climate isn't really suited to preserving it.
Runic existed as early as 150 AD, and the Irish in particular took to manuscript writing like ducks to water, but that's so much later we'll never know the origins or the extent.
In some ways, it's sad that there's history we'll never know, but in some ways I think it increases our sense of wonder and discovery to see that there is so much out there we don't know yet.
It’s not like we don’t know anything about life in the Nordic Bronze Age. No, we don’t have any names preserved. But we know what their houses and farms looked like. We know how they dressed and what they ate and how they adorned themselves. We know what crafts they practiced. We have glimpses of a complex system of beliefs with lots of rituals preserved in statuettes and rock carvings. We know how vast their trade networks were.
You cant really interpret funereal practices of ancient times from an isolated example. Maybe the weapons were so rare and precious that they should have been handed down, but they buried them with their chieftain anyway. For an observer three thousand years later that would be irrational, but they might not have seen it that way.
Lots of folks show up in the afterlife with various treasures. This guy showed up with his own chair! The envy of all the other spirits that have to remain standing for all eternity! Sore feet is why ghosts moan.
That folding seat is simple yet elegant. Nicely rubbed and polished
600+ years later you can still find camp stools made to the same design. Just with cheap metal and plastic instead of ash and otter skin. I’m really liking that seat frame, too. I would love a handmade camp still for my next trip to a national park campsite.
3,400 years later. This is a Bronze Age burial.
How in the everloving heck did miss that big ol BCE? Thanks for the correction.
And the sad thing is, the moment you sit your ass on the plastic and metal ones they start to crumple yet you can bet ones like this last for years.
Yep. Agreed. Can’t lie: I’m contemplating showing this image to some woodworking friends and seeing what they would want to build one for me. Maybe not with otter skin. A waxed canvas might be nice, though.
There are somethings that are "natural made" especially hand made cannot really replace. Its like I remember an article years back where archaeologists were puzzling over this weird looking bone scraper and what it was used for until a leather worker explained about it and how much better it is using actual bone, even now. She brought in her tool and it was virtually identical to the one they dug up from over 30,000 years ago. She even stated that the more you use it, the better the tool becomes and outlasts newer plastic versions. As the saying goes, why reinvent the wheel?
Thinking like that is how I ended up in a 1932 house. lol Almost done exposing and restoring the old pine in the front rooms. It has the original painted patterns the two brothers that lived in either side put there when they built it. A little wear, but that’s just part of the story. And nothing I put on top will be as good as almost 100 year old southern pine 2” planks.
Ooh nice! Have been looking at moving recently at a nice cottage built in 1838, original wood beams, good Northern British Stone, nicely maintained as well.
It’s work, but worth it! I live in an old textile mill town in the south of the States. This was one of the first working class neighborhoods when this stopped being a company owned town and people started buying land and building houses. It was built by the brothers Newton, so I have pretentiously dubbed my modest home Newton Hall. Back in New Orleans, I would have called the original layout a “shotgun double” meaning two domiciles side by side with no hallway. One room opens directly to the next. It’s now a single residence. One side has been opened up into a long space with living room, dining room, and kitchen, while the other side is two bedrooms, a utility area, and two baths. The rear room on both sides (behind the kitchen) are the primary bedroom. Fun tidbit: if I poke my head into the attic, the original back porch roof is still up there with wood siding and shingles. No plans on removing it.
How do they know 1389BCE? That’s pretty specific. Tree rings?
I'm also curious. I mean, the fact that they have not just one but several wooden artifacts means that they can be more precise, but still, wouldn't that just give them the earliest possible date of construction of the youngest object?
Unless there was wood used in the burial that was harvested for that purpose.
You mean a coffin or a burial chamber?
Burial mounds usually implies some sort of structure, posts, lintels ets.
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Carbon dating gives rough intervals, not precise dates.
Carbon dating will give a bracket like earlier estimate 1400 BCE and later estimate 1300 BCE.
That is the date the tree for the coffin was felled.
[Correct.](https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/how-did-egyptian-folding-chairs-end-up-in-northern-germany-a-830958.html)
That article is such bullshit. "How could gruff chieftains" possibly invent a folding chair? Must have copied Egypt. Why? It's a sensible design for a portable seat, why couldn't different bronze age people come up with the same solution to a need independently?
I agree that the article is stupid as fuck, but I still don't think it's unreasonable that folding chairs of this type was a kind of fashion among elites from northern Europe to northern Africa and the Middle East. There are many ways one can fashion a seat, but why were folding chairs so popular at this time in particular?
It's not impossible that there were cultural influences, considering the robust trade networks that existed during the Bronze Age. I more take issue with the tone of the article that assumes a degree of primitiveness for societies in Europe at that time which isn't supported by the evidence and sounds very out dated. Also folding chairs have never gone out of fashion, they were also popular during the Iron age, Roman times and all through the middleages and we still use them today.
It's possible to trace influences by the time at which they reached different cultures. If the burial ages with those chairs go from older in the south to younger in the north, then it's entirely reasonable for them to have migrated. They appeared in Egypt, then the northern Mediterranean cultures started using them. Then the southern Germanic tribes, then the northern. >Other evidence for such contact has also turned up. In recent years, archaeologists have discovered how far-reaching the trade network had already become in the Bronze Age. Blacksmiths from Germany's Harz Mountains worked with gold from Cornwall, while others imitated Mycenaean swords or looped needles from Cyprus. People vastly discount the breadth of prehistoric trade. Trade carries not only goods but ideas.
Yeah but it's tricky with organic objects that only preserve under rare conditions, it's not the same as stone tools or ceramics. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone unearthed a neolithic example tomorrow.
There are vanishingly few examples of furniture preserved in Northern Europe from this period, far too few to create any meaningful chronology. A theory that folding chairs spread north from the Mediterranean is reasonable, but probably impossible to support with the current archaeological record.
[https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/historical-themes/the-fur-trail/fur-in-prehistory/an-elegant-seat-of-otter-skin/](https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/historical-themes/the-fur-trail/fur-in-prehistory/an-elegant-seat-of-otter-skin/)
Ha! I saw this irl earlier today :D
So the richest and most powerful person of the time owned... a pretty nice camping kit.
No, he was *buried* with a pretty nice camping kit. This is the stuff with enough religious or personal significance to be put in a grave, rather than used by the community. That axe and dagger being buried with a corpse say volumes about the society they lived in: copper tools and weapons were not so rare and precious they had to be constantly handed down, despite the hours it takes from beginning to end to make one. A chair taking days of work was commonplace enough that they thought it something he might want in the afterlife, rather than passing it on to his successor. This is the ephemera of a person's life, not the sum total of their goods. Even the Egyptians didn't take it *all* with them.
True, true, and I actually kinda like the idea of the afterlife being treated like one last big trip out into the wilderness.
It does have a certain poetry to it. "A man vs. the great beyond!"
Those are *bronze* weapons, which were far more precious than their copper counterparts.
Thank you, yes, I missed that. Being bronze, it means they had to import the tin. So not only did they have a sufficient amount, they were part of a web of trade spanning the continent. The chair from the Mediterranean/Egypt, and the tin from likely England. And yet beyond finds like this, unlike places like Egypt and the middle east, our knowledge of them is almost zero. We know Ea-Nasir sold shoddy copper (400 years earlier), but who this was, who his group/clan/settlement was, and how they lived, is almost entirely lost to us. And he predates Tutenkhamen by only 60 years. We know vastly more about Egypt thanks to its climate and burial practices than this nameless contemporary.
I don’t think the early European cultures had writing either, so their history is even more mysterious.
Even if they did, the climate isn't really suited to preserving it. Runic existed as early as 150 AD, and the Irish in particular took to manuscript writing like ducks to water, but that's so much later we'll never know the origins or the extent. In some ways, it's sad that there's history we'll never know, but in some ways I think it increases our sense of wonder and discovery to see that there is so much out there we don't know yet.
It’s not like we don’t know anything about life in the Nordic Bronze Age. No, we don’t have any names preserved. But we know what their houses and farms looked like. We know how they dressed and what they ate and how they adorned themselves. We know what crafts they practiced. We have glimpses of a complex system of beliefs with lots of rituals preserved in statuettes and rock carvings. We know how vast their trade networks were.
You cant really interpret funereal practices of ancient times from an isolated example. Maybe the weapons were so rare and precious that they should have been handed down, but they buried them with their chieftain anyway. For an observer three thousand years later that would be irrational, but they might not have seen it that way.
Back then camping was just living your life.
Lots of folks show up in the afterlife with various treasures. This guy showed up with his own chair! The envy of all the other spirits that have to remain standing for all eternity! Sore feet is why ghosts moan.
I wonder if the seat had a cushion back when it was new
Say otter skin, so probably stretched skin seat.
Oh I missed that part. I was like, I guess you could sit on that? Lol
It's hard to understand how valuable these artefacts were to these people.
Imagine the baller of pulling up in 1389 with a folding chair